You are everyly welcome to this thread, is never too late for you to join the moving train, and you take about reaching 100 push-ups daily, that is never a problem in this push-ups thread, i want to assure you that is not every member here that started with 100 push-ups at the first day, even me the first day i joined this push-ups thread i did 30 push-ups and it was in different sets, that how i was able to got it, so despite your little beginning, just be consistent with your push-ups daily and benefit from this push-ups thread.

That's very correct, but no information is a waste. You can learn, and there are also good sources of learning material out there, but the thing is getting the right ones which are not misleading and directing you to where could be danger to you, which is what makes this forum a better place to learn since you don't get everything from one source. Others will checkmate what was shared, and if it's misleading, corrections can be offered right away.

Are you willing to invest or are you willing to trade

Let's start with trading first. Getting rich in a short time by trading is not a scam. For example, you can get rich in a very short time by trading if you have sufficient knowledge and experience. There are many risks in trading. Just as you can get rich in a short time by trading, you can also become a beggar. In trading, you need experience and sufficient knowledge. Many people can gain that amount of experience and knowledge in 1 year, while many are not able to gain experience and knowledge in 4 to 5 years.

You do not need much knowledge and experience to invest. For example, if you have basic knowledge about Bitcoin and basic knowledge about the investment process, you can invest. The risk in investing is much lower than trading. Patience is needed to invest. Those who do not have patience get out of investing within a few days. When investing, you need to keep a long-term goal, such as keeping an investment period of 2 to 3 circles.

In this case, as a newbie, which one would you prefer, trading or investing?

first time doing 100 in one day.

today i did 5 sets of 20 pushups. this makes me officially a part of this challange i think. i've reached one of my goals.

my 2nd goal is to make my pushups average 100. now its around 80 so i gotta do 120 for a while to balance it. lets make it happen.

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also, i asked ai to make a photo about this challange;
https://i.ibb.co/2S0MMQQ/image.png

I don't agree with you, if you said Bitcoin is best suited for the long term investment only because Bitcoin has been in the market for a long time is wrong because there are also a lot of shitcoins that have stayed for years too and if you talking about how long Bitcoin has stayed that means you are also saying we can invest in shitcoins as well. Bitcoin is not best suited for a long term investment because of how long it has stayed rather it is because of the potential it has and it features in the past years and so an investor believes that those things that Bitcoin did ( appreciating of Bitcoin value in years back) that it is still going to continue that path and it is not a speculation it is what we all are experiencing now that is why we shouldn't joke with out investment.

Of course, you are free to sell anytime that you like, and you are free to try to play bitcoin's anticipated price wave, and so you seem to acknowledge that trading is an inferior approach to bitcoin, even though some people will end up trading rather than investing.

So, yeah, trading is like gambling, since we cannot really be sure how the BTC price is going to go in the short-term, such as an ability to be profitable in less than 4 years.

Sure, we don't even know if bitcoin is going to be profitable in a timeline that is more than 4 years, yet investing is not necessarily considering short term profitability. 

Sure, investors still want to their holdings to be profitable in the long term, and perhaps even presume them to be profitable, but there is also a bit of a risk that a bitcoin investment will not be profitable, even after more than 10 years investing into it.

At the same time bitcoin is likely amongst the best of asymmetric bets that is currently available to people all around the world, and so sure it is possible that anyone could lose up to 100% of the amount that they invest into it, yet it is also possible that their investment could go up 10x to 100x or more within their investment timeline...  So to me, it seems short-sighted to be planning to trade bitcoin rather than to try to hold it for the long term, even though people will frequently be tempted to cash out for shorter-term profits.. which may largely signify that they do not know what they are investing (or trading) into..

This thread is about bitcoin investing, and so what is your point about alternative investments? or alternative place to place value rather than talking about bitcoin?  Potentially bitcoin and dollars (or other fiat that guys might have), and sure in this thread we are talking about investing long term such as 4-10 years or longer?    

How is talking about (or potentially preaching) that there is supposedly some kind of need for an alternative, even relevant? and why is it even needed?

 One of the ways to prepare for possible negative bitcoin scenarios is based on position size, and so if you are super skeptical about bitcoin then maybe you would choose a smaller position size while you are learning about bitcoin, and perhaps if you never overcome your skepticism about bitcoin then you might choose to discontinue your investment into bitcoin, which surely many of us would think to be a bad move or a  bad idea, yet surely some folks do end up abandoning their bitcoin investment and not everyone can come to bitcoin with a longer term investment timeline, such as 4-10 years or longer.

I am not even proclaiming that a person needs to have a 4-10 year investment timeline for bitcoin to merely get started, yet hopefully anyone coming to bitcoin considers that bitcoin is likely to be a better long term investment rather than something to try to trade or to gamble.. meaning that anything less than 4 years would likely be considered a possible trade rather than an investment.

You seem to be wanting to talk about some topic other than the topic of this thread, so maybe you should explain what you mean by alternative?  and/or how the consideration of some kind of a supposed alternative is related to this thread?

I don't agree with you because in bitcoin investment, it is important to think long term because that is where the peace of mind is and the assurance of good profit too. If you don't think long term from the beginning, you will not approach the investment properly because your will be hesitant to see profit within a short interval of time. This can result to panic sell and all manner of things you should avoid as a bitcoin investor. To avoid this situation, you should think long term from the beginning  so your decisions will be in that direction.

In addition, I don't want you to dwell so much on this diversification because it appears that you are encouraging people to shift some of their funds to shitcoins just because one want to make alternative investment. Bitcoin is just enough as an asset for investment so the idea of alternative investment does not not resonate with me a lot.

That is why it's important to jump into the train when you're ready to do so rather than waiting for the train to stop, waiting for the train to stop might cause you to wait a long while, invest intensively that when it's time to profit you will be very proud of your investment process and don't end your chain of investment because you feel you have achieved your goal you will definitely regret doing that.

In this case, your goal setting will play a big role. If your goal is 1 cycle or 2 cycles, then you can definitely take profit after achieving the goal if you want. However, the way you mentioned this in the opening line is very confusing.

Basically, we cannot interfere with the goal setting of any one person. Holding Bitcoin for 3 or 4 cycles would be commendable on my part. In this case, if your goal (one cycle or two cycles) is not very long-term, then it is not such a wrong step that you are taking. You can call 4 to 8 years a long-term investment. In this case, no one should have any hesitation in taking profit if your goal is achieved. However, no matter how long-term you plan, I think selling the entire portfolio after achieving the goal will not be the right step or it will not be very effective or fruitful. If you completely exhaust the wealth that you have earned through long-term hardship, you will definitely regret it later. Even if you take profits gradually instead of selling outright, you will continue to profit from it for a long time and your hard-earned wealth will never run out. Even if you can diversify your investments and create alternative investment areas, you will continue to profit from them, which will be fruitful for your next generation as well.

Buying and selling of bitcoin is not the Better way to go about bitcoin investment because you might sell at lost, bitcoin investment is a long time you can start buying bitcoin using the dca strategy and hodl for 4-10 using your discretionary Income, as a new investor you shouldn't think of selling your bitcoin instead your main focus is how you should be able to buy stack more bitcoin.
Those who buy and sell bitcoin are traders and not investors and investor will reap from his long time investment because his bought good size of bitcoin to his portfolio while trader will run at big loss.

Using the word "might" is an understatement, someone who buys bitcoin then sell when it increase and buy back later Will definitely sell at lose, that's not how bitcoin investment work, and it relates with traders. I've figured out that people try to implement strategies used for trading on bitcoin investment but the sad truth that most of them don't know is that it doesn't work that way for one to maintain a healthy investment on bitcoin and profit more in the future you must hold for atleast 4-10 years.

 Traders claim they're risk takers, well they should keep up with it since it's their problem anyways but instead of risking my money on something I might regret doing in the future I'll rather focus on bitcoin that only requires patience then invest what I can afford on a weekly or monthly basis depending on the income I generate, that's a more calculated risk that would be more beneficial in the future and even better than trading.