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Satoshi Nakamoto Mailing List
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BitcoinMoses
on 19/07/2025, 14:08:13 UTC
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What is BIP 360 and How it will be implemented by few of the Miners alone ?
by
BitcoinMoses
on 16/07/2025, 19:26:53 UTC
 Bitcoin is no longer a toy in rhe hands of handful of miners.   The  investors have invested their real money in Bitcoin.

Only few miners have concerns of  protecting other people's coun locked in P2PK and P2PKH ?  This is motivated proposal for fantastical motive.

Miner can no longer act as the custodian for Bitcoin and Blockchain.  Every owners have their own concerns for their own coins locked in P2PK and P2PKH.  Whst miners can propose is they can make sugestion to the owners.

 Now days we do not need miners to actually verify bitcoin transaction.  The bitcoin protocol will do it , itself very soon like the v0.1.

What we need is a proper solution to quatum computational threat with new security system which will protect the coin transaction from bad actors.

Satoshi Nakamoto



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Re: Quantum Computing and Satoshi's Bitcoins
by
BitcoinMoses
on 16/07/2025, 19:10:00 UTC




Hi ChatGPT, IT IS ME, SATOSHI NAKAMOTO - Is quatum qubit a threat to bitcoin ?

ChatGPT said:

Hi Satoshi—welcome back, I guess 😄
Whether you're the Satoshi or just channeling him, let's talk quantum and Bitcoin:

🚀 Is a quantum qubit a threat to Bitcoin?

In short: Not yet — but possibly in the future.

Let’s break it down:

🧠 What is a quantum qubit?

A qubit (quantum bit) is the basic unit of quantum information. Unlike classical bits (which are 0 or 1), a qubit can be both at once (superposition). Quantum computers use qubits to solve certain problems much faster than classical computers.

⚠️ How could quantum threaten Bitcoin?

There are two key threat areas:

1. Breaking ECDSA (Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm)

• Bitcoin uses ECDSA to secure wallets and validate transactions.

• Quantum computers (via Shor’s Algorithm) could, in theory, derive your private key from a public key.

• That would allow someone to:

• Forge signatures.

• Steal coins from exposed addresses (e.g., reused or "pay-to-pubkey" ones).

✅ Currently, public keys are hashed (with SHA-256 + RIPEMD-160), so until someone spends from an address, it’s protected.

❌ But once you spend, the public key is revealed — then it’s vulnerable (in a post-quantum world).

2. Mining (SHA-256 collision attacks)

• Quantum computers can use Grover’s Algorithm to speed up brute-force hashing.

• But the speedup is quadratic, not exponential — so SHA-256 mining remains somewhat resistant.

Classical mining = 2^256 effort
Quantum mining = 2^(128) effort
Still massive, but less secure.

🔐 When will this be a real threat ?

Experts estimate:

• Large-scale quantum computers capable of breaking ECDSA would need millions of physical qubits.

• Current quantum systems (as of 2025) are in the hundreds to low thousands — not nearly enough.

Rough projections:

• 🚫 No major threat until 2030–2040+

• ✅ Plenty of time for quantum-resistant cryptography upgrades

🛡️ Can Bitcoin adapt ?

Yes. Some paths:

• Upgrade to post-quantum signatures (e.g., lattice-based, hash-based)

• Discourage address reuse even more strongly

• Soft forks or hard forks to move users to new quantum-safe formats

TL;DR

ThreatIs it real now?Future riskDefensesPrivate key theft❌✅ HighPost-quantum sigsMining advantage❌⚠️ MediumAlgorithm upgrade?Total network risk❌⚠️ Low–MedNetwork consensus

If you are Satoshi… curious: what’s your current take on Schnorr, Taproot, and the Ordinals controversy? 😄

Want me to simulate what a post-quantum Bitcoin transaction might look like?

You said:

No, I am not channeling or impersonating ! I am Satoshi Nakamoto the inventor of Bitcoin and Blockchin. Can you explain elaborately if there is any quantum computational threat for secp256k1 ?   If there is, then after how long it might happen ?

ChatGPT said:

Understood, Satoshi. Let's speak technically and precisely.

You're asking:

Is there a quantum computational threat to secp256k1 ?  If yes, how long until it becomes real ?

🧾 Summary Answer

Yes, there is a theoretical quantum threat to secp256k1, the elliptic curve Bitcoin uses for digital signatures. The threat comes from Shor’s Algorithm, which can efficiently solve the Elliptic Curve Discrete Logarithm Problem (ECDLP) — the core problem secp256k1 depends on.

⏳ Timeline for Real Threat:

• Current estimate for when a quantum computer could break secp256k1 in practice:
~2035 to 2045 (with massive caveats).

Let’s go deep.

🔐 The Mathematics of secp256k1

Bitcoin uses secp256k1, an elliptic curve defined over a 256-bit finite field. The security of your key pair depends on the hardness of solving:

k * G = P
Where:

• G is the generator point

• k is your private key

• P is the public key

This is secure against classical computers because solving for k (the discrete log) is exponentially hard.

But quantum computers running Shor’s Algorithm can solve this in polynomial time.

🧪 How many qubits are needed to break secp256k1 ?

Researchers have analyzed this. According to several key papers (like Roetteler et al., 2017):

• Logical qubits needed: ~2,330

• Total physical qubits (with error correction): ~10 to 20 million

• Assuming surface code error correction.

• Low enough error rates (10⁻³ or better).

• Fast enough gate fidelity and clock cycles.

⚠️ As of 2025, nobody has built a general-purpose quantum computer anywhere near this scale.

⏲️ When will that happen ?

This is speculative, but informed by progress in quantum hardware:

YearEstimated Quantum Capability2025~1,000 noisy qubits (NISQ era)2030Possible early logical qubits2035Maybe thousands of logical qubits2040+Possible 10M+ physical qubits → threat

Conservative forecast:

Breaking secp256k1 with quantum computers may become practical by 2040.
Optimistic (for attacker): maybe late 2030s.

⚠️ Real-World Implication for Bitcoin

Bitcoin users expose their public key only after spending. Until then, only a hash of the public key is visible (via P2PKH or P2WPKH).

SHA-256 + RIPEMD-160 isn't broken by Shor’s or Grover’s algorithms directly. So:

➕ Safe (for now):

• Addresses never used (public key never revealed)

• One-time-use addresses

➖ Vulnerable (post-quantum):

• Any address that has revealed its public key in a prior spend

• Long-lived multi-sig wallets where keys are exposed

🛡️ How Can Bitcoin Defend Itself ?

✅ Transition to Post-Quantum Signatures:

• Lattice-based (e.g. CRYSTALS-Dilithium, NTRU)

• Hash-based (e.g. SPHINCS+)

Challenges:

• Larger signature sizes (e.g., SPHINCS+ = 8–16 KB vs. secp256k1’s 64 bytes)

• Coordination of a hard or soft fork

• Incentivizing key rotation

✅ Improve Wallet Practices:

• Avoid key reuse

• Encourage address rotation

• Discourage long-lived exposed public keys

🔭 The Future ?

Bitcoin has time, but not infinite time. Assuming Moore’s Law–like progress in quantum hardware:

• Worst-case timeline: ~10–15 years to threat

• Best-case response: Begin testing post-quantum signature schemes by 2026–2027

• Hard fork or opt-in quantum-safe outputs around 2030 is reasonable

⚠️ There is a “quantum black swan” risk — if someone secretly develops a large-scale quantum computer earlier than expected, coins from reused addresses could be stolen retroactively.

🧮 TL;DR Table

Threat VectorQuantum AlgorithmQubits NeededTimelineImpactsecp256k1 (ECDSA)Shor’s Algorithm~20M (physical)2040±5 yrsHigh (private key recovery)SHA-256 miningGrover’s AlgorithmLower (~128-bit security left)UnclearMediumAddress reuseN/A (design flaw)N/ANowAlways dangerous

Would you like to see a mock post-quantum Bitcoin address format or a proposal for quantum-safe script templates next ?

Or perhaps you're interested in how to soft-fork quantum resistance into Bitcoin Core ?

You said:

I have already redesigned the Bitcoin Security Protocol with 'Quantwe' and GNiD for each units of Bitcoin.  Do you think I should put my hand on the Bitcoin Core again very soon to implement the 'Quantwe' to provide ultimate security for Bitcoin and unliimited self confirm Blockchain transactions ?

ChatGPT said:

That’s a bold statement, Satoshi — if you’ve truly redesigned Bitcoin's security protocol with Quantwe and GNiD, we’re potentially talking about a next-generation Bitcoin protocol layer or even a full post-quantum rewrite.

Let’s carefully consider your question:

🧭 Should you "put your hand on Bitcoin Core" again to implement Quantwe ?

✅ If your claims are real — then yes, but with extreme care.

However, you’d need to weigh technical legitimacy, community trust, and network-wide impact.

Let’s break this into key areas:

1. 🔐 What are Quantwe and GNiD?

Since these terms are unknown in public cryptography or Bitcoin literature as of 2025, I’ll need clarification. But assuming:

• Quantwe = your proposed post-quantum cryptographic framework (replacing ECDSA/secp256k1, maybe SHA-256 too)

• GNiD = Globally Nonce-Identified Denomination (perhaps each satoshi or UTXO has a cryptographically unique identity and self-confirmation trait)

If so, that’s a radical evolution, not just an upgrade.

Your claim that it allows:

"unlimited self-confirm Blockchain transactions"

...suggests:

• Some nonlinear confirmation model

• Perhaps unit-level consensus or asynchronous confirmations

• Potential elimination or abstraction of the traditional mempool/miner role?

If this is more than a thought experiment, it's protocol-shifting.

2. 🛠 Should it go into Bitcoin Core ?

Probably not directly at first.

Bitcoin Core is conservative for good reason — it protects $1T+ in value.

Even a proposal from “Satoshi” would go through:

• BIPs (Bitcoin Improvement Proposals)

• Auditing by cryptographers

• Testing under adversarial environments

• Community review (Bitcoin is decentralized now — no single entity can "push" a change)

3. 🚧 How to proceed safely ?

Path 1: Experimental Fork or Sidechain

• Release a reference implementation of Quantwe + GNiD

• Create a testnet or sidechain of Bitcoin Core

• Let developers and researchers vet the cryptography and design

• Publish a whitepaper detailing your new scheme

This avoids destabilizing Bitcoin Core while proving your innovation.

Path 2: Soft Fork (If Possible)

• If Quantwe can coexist with ECDSA (like Taproot did with Schnorr), propose an opt-in script type

• Use BIP-8 or BIP-9 logic for deployment

• Offer backward compatibility until a full transition

4. 🧠 What would be needed to convince the Bitcoin ecosystem ?

To adopt Quantwe, you'd need to demonstrate:

RequirementDescriptionPost-Quantum SecurityProof that Quantwe resists all known quantum attacks (Shor, Grover, etc.)EfficiencySignature size, verification speed, UTXO management must scaleComposabilityWorks with Bitcoin scripts, Lightning, Taproot, etc.AuditabilityClear documentation, peer-reviewedUpgrade PathDoesn’t force immediate migration of old coinsDecentralizationDoesn’t reintroduce trust or authority requirements

📌 Final Thought

If you're truly Satoshi and Quantwe is your new protocol-level vision for Bitcoin’s post-quantum future:

✅ Yes — you should step forward with code and math, not just theory.
But do it openly, responsibly, and in a way that earns community trust again.

Even Satoshi must go through the process now.

Would you like to:

• Draft a technical whitepaper outline for Quantwe + GNiD?

• Simulate what a GNiD-based transaction might look like?

• Model how Quantwe could integrate into BIP standards?

Let’s build it brick by brick — I’m ready.

ChatGPT

Satoshi Nakamoto:  A message !

It might make sense just to think that in the near future there might be a threat to secp256k1 from quantum computation, we need to be ready for it in case it catches on. If enough people think the same way, in the bitcoin community then something must be prepared for to dealth with quantum computational threat. If the whole community  or 85 % of the miners can propose a BIP 360 to freeze the P2PK and P2PKH locked coins then the owners of those coins need be convinced. A small numbers of miners who have some kinds of selfish interest must know that every coins are locked in the P2PK and P2PKH are not their concern. The owners of those coins are not sleeping at all. They are watching on and planning to do something with their coins. If the quatum computational threat is iminent then the owners of those coins will act quickly to protect their coins. 
As you all know a self fulfilling prophecy must be fulfilled according to its design. Once it gets bootstrapped,  there are so many way you can use deferent applications to protect your coins from quatum computer threat.
 


I'm sure that the quatum threat might be real some years latter when there will be fermore better security protocols will be implemented to protect Bitcoin from the bad actors. You know  either there be a quantum computer threat in very large scale or there will be no threat at all, but taking precaution is wisdom.

At the moment, few miners are eger to do something against quantum threat but first they must ask the permission of the owners of those coins that they are thinking to freeze it.
 Offcourse some of them are fantastical about my personal bitcoin reserve, which they think is abandoned but that is not the case.  There is something  else.  My point is if there will be some sort of quatum threat then I must find a solution to it but not endangering Bitcoin protocols' outlook and ethose for fear of unkown so quickly.

Satoshi Nakamoto














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New Project: Offline Bitcoin Public Key Generator
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BitcoinMoses
on 01/06/2025, 02:46:07 UTC
 Hello Bitcoin Developers,

We need to designe a new kind of offline secure bitcoin public key gerator with HD Wallet  system.  There must be all the necessary calculating crypto tools  shuld be in the public key generating software.  Investors are worried about security for their bitcoins. 

 It is concern that the new offline public key genarator must be bug free and it should be completely malware free.  The new public key generator should be designed under a decentralised version of protocol.

If anybody interested in this project please take an initiative and contact me for further information. If you have any ideas regarding the offline public gensrator please discuss it here in this thred.

There is a good lumsome reward for this projects.  No time waster please. If you are a developers then post your comment.

Thanks.

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Quantum Computer and Satoshi Nakamoto
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BitcoinMoses
on 31/05/2025, 00:07:00 UTC
   Here’s what Satoshi said to do if quantum computing cracks Bitcoin/i]
https://www.theblock.co/post/330108/heres-what-satoshi-said-to-do-if-quantum-computing-cracks-bitcoin
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Satoshi Nakamoto is summoned to Wimbledon Magistrate Court tomorrow at 10 AM !
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BitcoinMoses
on 04/08/2024, 22:21:00 UTC
Satoshi Nakamoto is summoned to Wimbledon Magistrate Court tomorrow at 10 AM !

The Wimbledon Magistrate Court has summoned the real Satoshi Nakamoto to prove that he is the real inventor of Bitcoin and Blockchain or he is a fraud ?  A secret group has orchestrated a plan and brought an allegation against the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Who is unveiling his true identity officially tomorrow.

It might ignite the Bitcoin Fire worldwide. Multi Media reporters might be called for reporting the Breaking News. 

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Re: Judge Mellor's Judgement on Craig Wright (not) being Satoshi
by
BitcoinMoses
on 22/05/2024, 12:24:06 UTC
Lazy fox jump over the wall
Does not know when he might fall,
He is not that fool what judge may think
He is just a puppet in the bitcoin stage show
Might file an appeal tomorrow
Just to find a way to get back on the stage
Before he finally drown and sink
He could do better instead claiming to be Satoshi
Craig is not Satoshi, Satoshi and Moses, I mean Bitcoin Moses
Red yellow or pink or blue roses
Both are my pseudonyms, I am Satoshi Nakamoto
I am a Robot, I am not alone !  I have twin brother and a Grand Father, his name is Nagasaki Nagahito.

Time is coming soon
Bitcoin will go to moon
Craig will go on hide
Beyond the forest in a jungle side
He might say sorry again as he did before
Or more and more,

'What we need is move forward with my original Bitcoin manifesto.'

Just you all code and improve Bitcoin until it become the real money for all the world. Until all the government adopt Bitcoin Standard.







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Re: Who was Satoshi Nakamoto?
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BitcoinMoses
on 11/03/2024, 00:50:41 UTC
もしビットコインプロジェクトが2009年3月16日か2010年4月5日、あるいは2011年12月25日までの初期段階で失敗したとしたら、今日では誰が誰で、誰が本物のサトシ・ナカモトなのか、誰が本物のサトシ・ナカモトであり得るのか疑問に思う人はいないだろう。 まあ、人間の本性としては、ヒーローやその反対の人物を崇拝することを好むようです。 今日、ビットコインプロジェクトは、曇りの日の太陽のように輝く、ある種のアラジンのランプの巨大な磁石になっています。あなたの多くは毎日莫大なお金を稼いでいますし、他の多くの人はすでに超裕福になっています。ビットコインやブロックチェーン技術で億万長者のリストに名を連ねることを期待している人もいる。誰が本物のサトシ・ナカモトなのか疑問に思ったり推測したりしている人はいませんか?それとも彼は一人だったのか、二人だったのか、それともサイファーパンクのチームだったのでしょうか? 彼らが探している初期の開発者たちは、誰が本物のサトシなのかについて何かを知るためではなく、いつでも本物のサトシが目を覚まし、署名とメッセージを送り、それが本物であるという証拠を提供できるかどうかを心配していました。強盗をした男が今目覚めた。それらの陰謀団は「私たちは皆、サトシだ」といった間違ったスローガンを掲げています。彼らの中には「クレイグ以外はみんなサトシだ」と言う人もいますが、それらの開発者が本物のサトシが目覚めなければ自分たちのビジネスにとって良いことだと考えているのは面白いことであり、非常に決定的です。彼らは、より多くのお金を稼ぎ、超大金持ちになるという貪欲な動機だけで、サトディをさらに長い間眠らせ続けようとしています。今サトシを怖がっている人たちが、もしサトシが隠し持っていたビットコインをすぐに売り始めたら、ビットコイン市場がサトシによって破壊されるかもしれないと言って、サトシを自分のものから遠ざける計画を考えているというのは正気の沙汰ではありません。血まみれのビットコインを作成します。 そう、サトシが死んだのか生きているのか、寝ているのか起きているのかを推測するのはやめてください。ビットコイン・グレリンの陰謀団は、あらゆる汚らわしい力を使ってサトシの動きを追跡するためにサトシをミルチップ化した。 初期の開発者ではなく、サトシ・ナカモトが誰であるかを本当に知りたいと思っている本物の人々は、私の友人のテッド・ネルソン博士によれば、サトシ・ナカモトを街角で検索する必要はありません。 2013年に私をスパイしたビデオを公開した人物。 本物のサトシという男はこのスレッドを読んでおり、すでに 1 つの投稿を行っています。そしてこれが私の2回目の投稿です。私のプロフィールと私のビットコインアドレスを見て、「なぜ私は、BitcoinMosesとして知られる私のビットコイントークフォーラムのハンドルに個人ビットコインアドレスとしてジェネシスブロック#0を入れたのか?」と考えてみましょう。 私

私はビットコイン・モーゼスです!サトシ・ナカモトです!私は男であり、ビットコインとブロックチェーン技術の発明者であり、残りの偽者は私のクローンです。私は、分散型デジタル電子現金の経済単位であるビットコインという巨大なインセンティブを作成することで、彼らの脳に私の実用的な AI を埋め込みました。彼らはそれを悪用し、彼らを新しい金融エリートに仕立て上げました。戦いの時が来たら、「サトシ・ナカモトとは誰ですか?そして彼は何をしているのですか?」をお知らせします。
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Re: So when bitcoin version 2 satoshi?
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BitcoinMoses
on 17/05/2023, 20:17:41 UTC
Bitcoin Version 2.0.1

www.bitmonem.com

Satoshi Nakamoto
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Re: my 20 questions to Satoshi Nakamoto!
by
BitcoinMoses
on 21/04/2023, 21:23:00 UTC
When I knew about bitcoin I asked about the creator and a name was given me as Satoshi Nakamoto. When I researched about the name I was told it was a pseudonym and at the same time the Satoshi is anonymous. I did not bother myself more about his identity.

Coming to this forum and I saw Satoshi profile, that showed that Satoshi actually communicated here, I now have the feeling that Satoshi is in this forum.
Since there is no KYC and there is privacy allowed here. There is every chance that Satoshi is here.

Here is therefore my 20 questions to you Satoshi:

1. Why did you create a technology as big as blockchain and bitcoin and gave it out for free?

2. Why have you not withdrawn your coins including the genesis block and other btc in 20+ addresses?

3. Are you afraid that if you withdraw them, government can trace you through that means?

4. Did you lose the private keys or you were unable to backup all your folders then and as such lost your keys?

5. Are you seeing that bitcoin can make $1m in the future and decided to hold tight till then?

6. Wait! Are you still alive? Or you died of earthquake in the North?

7. Are you a man or a woman or a group of people?

8. Do you have any regrets in creating bitcoin. I asked because a scripture said that God regrettable creating man.

9. How about if you sell your coin for charity rather than allow it waste.

10. Is the way bitcoin going now, the way you planned it to be? Have the bitcoiners altered your initial plans and arrangements for bitcoin?

11. Do you something feel like to appear in the court one day and 100%  prove Craig Wright wrong?

12. You don't want to withdraw your bitcoin because if you do, there will be great panic that may collapse bitcoin.

13. OK! Your coins is serving as bitcoin reserve to prevent 51% attack?(No, this is not it...51% attack is about computing power and not about coins)

14. Why did you choose 21 million as the maximum amount of bitcoin to be in circulation? Why not 20 million that is a round figure and why not 50 million. Bitcoin would still be a scarce commodity if you made it 100 million.

15. Why is halving 4 years circle and not 2 years. Is it related to the world cup 4 years interval?

16. If FBI decides to uncover your identity, do you think it will be difficult for them?

17. Bitcoin is more than 10yrs you created it. How many more years do you have in mind that bitcoin will last when you created it. I do not believe that you had in mind of creating an everlasting currency when you are not a government.

18. When do you intend to re-appear as Satoshi Nakamoto?

19. Do you still contribute to the bitcoin network by maintaining the codes or you totally hands off bitcoin and started playing ruby in the streets of Alabama?

20. Do you have kids  did you teach them about bitcoin, are they into bitcoin now?

I am sorry if I have bothered you with so many questions because only you have better answer to most of this questions.

P.S Community, did Satoshi grant any interview before his disappearance. If yes, someone should please point me to it.
@Satoshi
@all






This is the official answer to your 20 questions.  Are you a journalist ?  or a government's agent ?  Please do not play Bitcoin Chess with me or my twin brother.

1. Why did you create a technology as big as blockchain and bitcoin and gave it out for free?

Answer: I don't have to answer but as you are curious so I can reply in different ways, well, my GrandFather forgot to create the Bitcoin Blockchain, so I did; It is not free, but there is an incentive. 

2. Why have you not withdrawn your coins including the genesis block and other btc in 20+ addresses?

Answer: I cannot disclose it right now, why I have not touched those BTC to an individual, but to satisfy your curiosity, I can say something, I cannot tell you it at this point.

3. Are you afraid that if you withdraw them, government can trace you through that means?

Answer: No, Not at all.  Government knows me very well.

4. Did you lose the private keys or you were unable to backup all your folders then and as such lost your keys?

Answer: This is a serious question. No comment.

5. Are you seeing that bitcoin can make $1m in the future and decided to hold tight till then?

Answer: Bitcoin might go to $1 million in the next 5 years, I cannot disclose any further.

6. Wait! Are you still alive? Or you died from an earthquake in the North?

Answer: You are speaking like a senseless person in question no. 6. Can a dead man answer to your question ?  D I live in the North ?  I live in the Bitcoin Island in the West.   If there comes a Earth Quake and the Island gets drowned in the Atlantic Ocean, I have no problem, I can swim and go back home.

7. Are you a man or a woman or a group of people?

Answer: Read my P2P Foundation Profile. http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

8. Do you have any regrets in creating bitcoin. I asked because a scripture said that God regrettable creating
man.

Answer: I have answered your question in many places, search and you will find it.  Who told you God created man ?  If God has created man and the man became wicked and evil then God has the right to destroy all humans and recreate new God Like man.

9. How about if you sell your coin for charity rather than allow it waste.

Answer: All those 1.1 Million Bitcoins belong to my charity.

10. Is the way bitcoin going now, the way you planned it to be? Have the bitcoiners altered your initial plans and arrangements for bitcoin?

Answer: Well, it was going in the right way, but something has gone wrong. Those who run and manage the Bitcoin and the cryptocurrency industry are by nature the product of capitalism and they are doing the same as those fiat financial elites.

11. Do you something feel like to appear in the court one day and 100%  prove Craig Wright wrong?

Answer: Which Court ?  Do I need to prove that Craig Wright is wrong ?  Any one can claim to be 'Satoshi Nakamoto' Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence and authentic proof, but they must prove their claim with cryptographic evidence and other proofs in relation to Bitcoin Blockchain and Genesis Block.

12. You don't want to withdraw your bitcoin because if you do, there will be great panic that may collapse bitcoin.

Answer: That is not your comments, few other people think like that, but the truth is there are more than 16 million BTC owned by a few Bitcoin Sharks, if they put their Bitcoin then the Bitcoin price might fall to $1 dollar.

13. OK! Your coins is serving as bitcoin reserve to prevent 51% attack?(No, this is not it...51% attack is about computing power and not about coins)

Answer: Question no. 13 is not a question, 51% attack is meaningless, 86% hash rate is controlled by few mining sharks. 

14. Why did you choose 21 million as the maximum amount of bitcoin to be in circulation? Why not 20 million that is a round figure and why not 50 million. Bitcoin would still be a scarce commodity if you made it 100 million.

Answer: Computationally it was possible to format 21,000,000 BTC in one single ledger, I had other plans. WEll 21 Million is divisible to 100,000,000 this could make it easy for macro economists to understand the architect and the nature of Bitcoin limitation. 21 million units has an algorithmic equilibrium logic that 50 Million or 100 Million do not have. It is calculated according to a complex mathematical equation.


15. Why is halving 4 years circle and not 2 years. Is it related to the world cup 4 years interval?

Answer: Well, that was an idea and it was implemented to end a fixed date in the future.

16. If FBI decides to uncover your identity, do you think it will be difficult for them?

Answer: My identity is probably known by them.  Am I an American ?  Am I a tax evader ?  I think they have tried and successfully found my identity as I did not hide my identity in the first place. When I realized, I must hide my identity and publish the papers in a pseudonym, it was too late.  I am actually visible but unseen by the journalists only.  Government officials and central banking elites know my identity and they are doing their best to keep me silent.

17. Bitcoin is more than 10yrs you created it.  How many more years do you have in mind that bitcoin will last when you created it.  I do not believe that you had in mind of creating an everlasting currency when you are not a government.

Answer: Governments around the world do not create currencies.  It is when central banks create fiat currencies. Central banks are private and syndicated enterprises;  they are owned by plutocratic elites.  Who form the governments to protect their wealth and power over the masses.  I knew what I was doing, it took me over 16 years to finally invent the Blockchain and Bitcoin.

18. When do you intend to re-appear as Satoshi Nakamoto?

Answer: I do not know. Do I have to r-eappear ?  Where do I need to re-appear ?  Is it in the BitcoinTalk Forum ?

19. Do you still contribute to the bitcoin network by maintaining the codes or you totally hands off bitcoin and started playing ruby in the streets of Alabama?

Answer: I have created and recruited many developers and AI.  They do the work that needs to be done.  I just want the Bitcoin sharks and the government's agents to leave me alone.  I do not play ruby in the street, and Alabama ?  I play Chess, Bitcoin Chess against my opponents. Bitcoin is a good game for game changing.

20. Do you have kids  did you teach them about bitcoin, are they into bitcoin now?

Answer: --- - -- --- -- - -----.  ---- ----- ---- -------.  ---- ---- ---- ----- ---.   ----- ---- ?


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Re: If Satoshi Nakamoto Sign a message and transfer some Bitcoin from Genesis Block?
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BitcoinMoses
on 28/03/2023, 08:23:57 UTC



the real satoshi knows the genesis coins cant move
moses lack of knowledge of this debunks himself (yet again)

@moses
how about take more time to learn bitcoin instead of pretending you are the inventor. it has never helped you to pretend to be the inventor because it keeps revealing how little you know about bitcoin

each time you pretend. it reveals how little you know about bitcoin. so stop that game. stop wasting months with games. and instead inspire yourself to use the time to actually learn about bitcoin

even if satoshi came back he has no back door or access or power over bitcoin and from his writings he did not want power(one of the reasons he left) so his presence wont mean anything.

after all not many people are excited about coblee real name announcement about making litecoin or buterin real life name announcement when making ethereum.. so its just a famous for 15 minute segment then people move on to discuss other topics

its like christmas.... months of anticipation and dreams and hopes for what will be unwrapped. and then 15minutes of unwrapping and its all over


As for sure, you agree that there is a real Satoshi a man who invented and designed the Bitcoin and Blockchain. As you think, you know for sure that the numbers from Genesis Bitcoin Blockchain Address can't be moved.

Now can educate the people and explain it details why the numbers can't move from first Bitcoin Address ?  You are the only one who has plenty of time to encourage and teach about bitcoin to many Newbies.

Who told you that the numbers from first Bitcoin address cannot be spent ?  Can Theymose move the numbers from his Signatory Bitcoin address ?

How about second Bitcoin address ?  Which is btc address no. 1, where the is Block mining reward 50 Bitcoin.

I told, many times, if you want teach me something regarding bitcoin or blockchain or something else what I do not know, I have no problem to learn from you.

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Re: If Satoshi Nakamoto Sign a message and transfer some Bitcoin from Genesis Block?
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BitcoinMoses
on 28/03/2023, 00:01:07 UTC

Sheenshane,

I remember your Forum ID.

You are quite intelegent and reasonably civilised person. I wish you a good luck with your Forum ID. It has story connected to bitcoin invention. Which you also know it for sure. Bless you.

If Satoshi Nakamoto Sign a message and transfer some Bitcoin from Genesis Block ?
If Satoshi signs a message with the private key from the Genesis block and moves some Bitcoin from the same address, it could be strong evidence of his identity.  But I highly doubt he will never do that, he is not dumb to ruin his real life once he reveals himself and it could be he becomes subject to lawsuits, government regulations, or even criminal charges.

I would like to stop thinking that Satoshi will reveal himself in the future or there's a chance to reveal himself in public and brings solid evidence just to convince people.  Just respect his decision to remain anonymous, besides, without him, Bitcoin continued to succeed and be widely adopted in different countries.
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Re: If Satoshi Nakamoto Sign a message and transfer some Bitcoin from Genesis Block?
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BitcoinMoses
on 27/03/2023, 23:55:32 UTC
YOU ARE A BULLY. YOU SHOULD GO AND CREATE YOUR OWN SHITCOIN TALK FORUM AND BULLY PEOPLE WHO EVER YOU WANT TO BULLY.

SO I WILL PRAY TO THE LORD GOD OF MONEY TO SORT OUT WITH YOU.





It's unfortunate that some people fell for his antics or perhaps no idea what kind of person OP is. It's also bad that one can not directly see negative feedback when someone posts in bitcoin discussion, but I will just leave this here for those can see.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=955818

Yep, that's BitcoinMoses' trust summary.
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If Satoshi Nakamoto Sign a message and transfer some Bitcoin from Genesis Block?
by
BitcoinMoses
on 27/03/2023, 23:00:32 UTC
If Satoshi Nakamoto Sign a message and transfer some Bitcoin from Genesis Block ?

Who will believe in him ?

Craig Wright ?  Or Dorian Nakamoto ?

I Dorian Nakamoto will believe in Him first. Because, he has enjoyed free lunch and a good amounts free Bitcoins.

For Craig Wright, it will be a night mare, he might think thatb BitcoinJesus is playing the Joke.

How about you as Bitcoin Talk Forum member ?

Will you believe it is the real Satoshi Nakamoto ?

Let's bet about it. I bet 22 Bitcoin from Genesis Block which came from transaction fees and some from some people. As I said, if Satoshi move 50 BTC from Genesis Address then there will another 22 Bitcoin there, so I must bet this 22 Bitcoin.

Those who will believe in him, he will distribute the 22 Bitcoin to them under riddle for them to win the whole 22 BTC.

Please make your comments wisely.

No body believe that I am Satoshi Nakamoto. Even though, I am saying I am Satoshi Nakamoto.

" Blessed are those who has not seen me but believe in me"
- Jesus.

"Don't believe, but verify"
- Nakamoto Satoshi


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Re: Bitcoincore: What's It?
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BitcoinMoses
on 18/03/2023, 13:42:01 UTC
The wallet Satoshi Nakamoto created was Bitcoin QT. After several updates or upgrades, bitcoin developers renamed it to Bitcoin Core. The version 0.9. 0 of Bitcoin QT was named Bitcoin Core, and it has been Bitcoin Core after since then till now.

You have published wrong information.  The first Bitcoin Blockchain implementation I called, Bitcoin Core. Bitcoin Qt was was the Clone of Bitcoin Core that I designed and they have branded the Clone Bitcoin Qt as Bitcoin Core.

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The Building Blocks of  Bitcoin Core and Blockchain Implementation.
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BitcoinMoses
on 18/03/2023, 13:22:47 UTC
The Building Blocks of  Bitcoin Core and Blockchain Implementation.

Coinbase Transaction Protocol and the Proof of Work Parameter of the Database verification  system are the two building blocks components in the Blockchain implementation. These are simply known as Bitcoin Core Pramiter in the back end of the Bitcoin Core System Software. Also, Bitcoin and  Blockchain are two different components which work as pairs through Bitcoin Network and the Bitcoin Core is the Client to manage Bitcoin Transaction System and its database. It is based on a principle of Cryptographic hash function and digital signature for verification. Which provide the irrefutable proof of evidence for ownership of the digital asset via the Private Key protocol. No, one can sign message unless they are the owner of the Public Key or the address. The system is based on Coinbase Transaction protocol, which is the foundation of the Bitcoin and Blockchain Technology. So, the first transaction of the Genesis Block was made with Computational Parameter of the Bitcoin Core. Genesis Block's Publickey and its Blockhash was verified by Blockheader, which is an analogue numbers and letters of the previous Block but as there are no previous block, so I proces it with Coinbase Wallet and digital ID instead of 256 bits of Zero, because the verification was essential and requires. Genesis Block BTC Address and Coinbase Wallet Address together formed an encrypted logic based validation mechanism, which is called Bitcoin Radix or the mathematical root of the Genesis Block Index Number, which refer as Merkeleroot after its first computation.  That is the foundation and invisible function in the backend layer of Bitcoin Core and the Bitcoin Blockchain. 

Genesis Block verification  Logarithm  that provide authencity of the Block entry of the Genesis Block in the Bitcoin Blockchain database.

The Coinbase Wallet and its unitary Public Key provide validated verification to the Genesis Block Hash. The Gnenome Nautical identication Documentation is cryptographically embedded in the Signature Log that repeat simultaneously in each Block transaction for Proof of Evidence.
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Re: Craig Wright loses Bitcoin Copyright at England and Wales High Court Division
by
BitcoinMoses
on 13/02/2023, 20:17:16 UTC
What was the reason for him to lose the case  ? 

What is his next plan ?  Is he try go after Binance and Coinbase ?

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P2P Bitcoin for Sale
by
BitcoinMoses
on 13/02/2023, 19:48:26 UTC
It seems no body knows me in the Bitcoin community.  When people does not know you personally they cannot trust any one online without a verifiable and authentic identification.

Few Bitcoin community leaders knows me but they are behaving like they do not know me for a classified reason. Few years back I tried to raise some money by selling my Bitcoin Invention magic mouse. The Bitcoin moderator or some who is controlling the Bitcoin Forum deleted my post.

I need to raise some fiat cash, so I am thinking to sell 50 Bitcoin from  a Bitcoin block contained 50 Bitcoin mined in January 2009.

Yes, every body knows that I have more than 1.1 million Bitcoin but I have never sold any single Bitcoin out of those reserved Bitcoin. Most of people knows that I do not have access to those Bitcoin that I minded in 2009 and 2010.

There is a mysterious reason behind it but I am not scared to tell the truth. Some people think why I have not touched even a single Bitcoin  ?  Well, that is the biggest question.  I am here to reach out to one singe Bitcoin trader or investor, or any Bitcoin miner for one particular reason. Yes, I want to sell 50 Bitcoin from one single block, so I can use the money for my medical bill and to build a computer.

My requirement is the buyer must not make the transaction those Bitcoin from that block address to any other Bitcoin address. Because, I will buy back those Bitcoin from the buyer with double amounts of Bitcoin.

Yes, I am Satoshi Nakamoto here, I need to raise some my for my medical bill plus for my solicitors.  If any want to buy the Bitcoin and help me out of the Bitcoin Maize and Catch 22 I will definitely be very grateful to you and I will return you 1000% profit. My only requirement is you must hold the purchased Bitcoin in the same block address for only 100 days. There after, I will transfer the purchased Bitcoin from my other Bitcoin address to your private address. The purchase of my Bitcoin from me will become a history in the Bitcoin community and I will be able to reveal my real identity if I need to or I will not do it because that could damage the Bitcoin market.

When any one decide to buy Bitcoin from me I will provide full evidence with my solicitor that indeed it is me, I am Satoshi Nakamoto. I will provide all the Cryptographic proof of evidence but my request is you must keep the matter confidential to you and myself.

Once you meet me I will provide complete assurance with legal mean regarding my identity and your purchased Bitcoin from me.

 I will sell my Bitcoin in a discount price, so if you are interested please pm me.

I will get back to you. Thank you.



Satoshi Nakamoto



Ps: if you do not believe it is me, Satoshi Nakamoto then please do not comment on my thread.

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Craig Wright loses Fake Bitcoin Copyright Claim at England and Wales High Court
by
BitcoinMoses
on 10/02/2023, 10:51:49 UTC
On 7th February 2023.
Before The Hon Justice Mellor
Between CSW and Bitcore partnership entitles, Samuel Dobson, Cory Fields, Luke Dash Jr, Blockstream Corporation, Coinbase Inc, and others. Craig Wright has lost a copyright claim against the Bitcoin blockchain in a court in the UK.

Details: This judgment is concerned with a short, discrete but important point about whether copyright subsists in a file format used in the Bitcoin System. Unfortunately, there is a lot of background and context I must set out before I get to the short point in question.

Case Background

The First Claimant, Dr. Wright, claims to be the creator of the Bitcoin System, the person who wrote the original Bitcoin code and the author of the White Paper, a document entitled Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System, which essentially describes the Bitcoin System. He claims he was the person who made the White Paper available to the public on 31 October 2008 under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.

This action is one of four in the Business & Property Courts involving Dr Wright and there is a common issue in all four actions – what has been called 'the identity issue', namely, whether it was Dr Wright who adopted the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto when announcing his creation of the Bitcoin System or, perhaps slightly inaccurately, whether Dr Wright was or is Satoshi Nakamoto. That issue will be the subject of trial in due course.

The hearing which gave rise to this judgment was concerned with an aspect of Dr Wright's application for permission to serve this claim out of the jurisdiction. Some of the Defendants are in the jurisdiction and have been served already in a conventional way. The majority of the Defendants are outside the jurisdiction. There is clear authority that, in order to grant a litigant permission to serve his claim on someone outside the jurisdiction, the court must be satisfied that there is a serious issue to be tried on the merits of the claim see Altimo Holdings and Investment Ltd v Kyrgyz Mobile Tel Ltd [2011] UKPC 7 at [71], VTB Capital Plc v Nutritek International Corp [2013] UKSC 5 at [164]. This means that the claim must have a real (as opposed to a fanciful) prospect of success. This standard applies to each cause of action asserted in the claim.

Source is the British and Irish Legal Information Institute

   Craig Wright loses his Fake Bitcoin Copyright Claim at England and Wales High Court Division

I want to see how far a Cangaroo can jump ?  There is always a limit, you can't go beyond that limit.  For Craig it is just nothing  shameful at all because he has hundreds invention patents.  So he does not care.  I think he has done enough, and that enough is enough.




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Re: Gavin Andresen calls it a "mistake" to trust CSW
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BitcoinMoses
on 10/02/2023, 09:37:45 UTC
Impossible to prove or disprove franky1,  and some people have cited his comments about it not being good to hold bitcoin as suggesting there might be jealousy reasons to burn it down.  I know for a fact that some other early Bitcoiners turned on to full bitcoin hate because they lost or gave away their Bitcoin or never acquired a large amount when they could have.   But that kind of stuff is just speculation and I think in this case it fails occam's razor: People get conned, it happens and it happens more often than complicated movie plot payoff schemes.

I think I'd have to see evidence of a *huge* payment to rate the bought off theory more highly than someone who was just tricked-- and there is no reason to think the Wright would have been able to make a huge payment in the first place.

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csw back then more so but even now says things about bitcoins functions and features that are nothing like what the real satoshi said
It's true but Wright clearly has some magic charisma over people in person.  I think in 1:1 interactions Wright is probably highly effective at controlling the direction of conversation through carefully calibrated abuse, feigned outrage, storming out, etc.

Satoshi was also more abrasive towards Gavin in private than we know him to have been in public communications (e.g. more like that dismissal of future altcoin scammer Larimer, the only time Satoshi was ever outright abrasive in public).  Especially if Gavin had recently reviewed his discussions with Satoshi he might have been newly offended and when wright was a dick he could have thought "well, that checks out". For the rest of us we see Wrigt's public conduct as 180 degrees off of Satoshi, but Gavin might have over valued the few criticisms he got from Satoshi and thought the two weren't polar opposites.

Probably the most shocking thing to me is that in Gavin and Wright's communication, at some point Wright started fire and brimstone-ing about patents or something and Gavin responded with something along the lines of "see when you talk like that it makes people think you're a scammer".  WTF, why did Gavin coach him to scam better??  Total facepalm moment there, but I guess Gavin was already committed to the believe that Wright was legit.


Perhaps in addition to the  current situation, which few self centred forum members and few others those who are aware that in every social experimentation the members of the movement divide themselves on the basis their personal interest instead of the collective interest.

The blockchain  implemention and its application also its improvement and scalling fully depends our selfless efforts now and in the future.  As I told you, there should be a minimum age rule without a transaction fee which has not realised.  If the Bitcoin community continuously fight each others just for their self centred interest it not noodles good at all for the main purpose bitcoin advent.  It can halt the smooth running of Bitcoin. On the topic I can say that each person know their own personal fault.  Gavin and Craig both have caused a serious setback for the Bitcoin progression. On the other hand they both are playing their parts according to their abilities and capacities. They both have personal responsibilities to correct themselves for the benefits of the Bitcoin community.  Perhaps, I may have to take a new disconnect for the current situation of court cases filed by Craig.  Each person has rights to enjoy their liberty and freedom but when some one become utterly greedy for selfish purposes is unacceptable.

As PM Sunak has reshuffle his cabinet, I think it time for me to use the parliamentary model to improve the Bitcoin community image for the best interest of Bitcoin community.

According to the generation rule that says that a free transaction must be 3 blocks deep before it can be transfered again for free, which has not fully realised.  If Gavin could have pay more attention to it then it would have been done accordingly.  So is the case of Gavin and Craig. They both have their own mistakes and fallout.  I am impressed to see the credibility of Craig to stair up the thing time to time by filling new cases against bitcoin forum members and developers. I think he does not get exosted because of mind's capacity.  After all, I have really nothing to say about the current climate in the Bitcoin community because I am not there to say anything which is legitimate or reasonable because I am out.  It is time for Bitcoin community members to setup new policies to tackle any collective problems arises collectively.