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Re: Old BFL buyers vs new asicminer prices
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Branksy
on 29/08/2013, 13:26:09 UTC
If BFL had shipped in November all of the units we intended to ship, the difficulty would be far higher in January than it is right now, thus your income would actually be less.

You realize that you just confirmed that nobody who ordered from you post January will ever make ROI right?
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 19/05/2013, 22:27:26 UTC
the rate at which the helium is used would constitute a part of that experiments performance

By that logic the rate of decay of all parts of the machinery are included in performance.  Meaning that cheap parts that can produce the same output as more expensive parts would have lower performance because they will degrade quicker.  You could also say that a fans ability to not be clogged would be performance, even though that's not addressed.

The wikipedia link describes performance per watt. Merely affirming that it is a performance metric.

It is in fact a performance metric, but the bet was not made on that specific metric.  We could expand on this logic to say that the whole bet depends on a single unused diode.

No I am not defining anything, I am saying performance per watt is just a facet of performance.

I didn't mean to accuse you of defining it, i just wanted to point out that it's undefined right now.

Unless you have some evidence that it isn't we are done.

I think i've pretty much stated my case.  At this point i'm just replying to replies Smiley
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 19/05/2013, 13:35:01 UTC
Performance describes the manner in which something functions. Those attributes that are particular to its operation, how it 'performs'.

Specifications describe what something is. Its physical attributes, its form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specification_(technical_standard)
"A specification (often abbreviated as spec) is an explicit set of requirements to be satisfied by a material, design, product, or service."

A spec is a set of requirements for achieving performance.  It could be the amount of helium in the air required to do an experiment, consuming that helium like miners consume power.

You ask your friends to categorise "power requirements" as performance or specification. However "requirements" are something that might form part of an objects design, so naturally it would seem fit that requirements are considered part of a device's specification. Requirements exist independently of an object ever operating.

When phrasing their response, you play a clever trick and switch the term "power requirements" for "power consumption", you say your friends tell you "power consumption" is not an aspect of performance.

Power consumption is something that happens when a device is functioning. Consumption happens (more than likely in line with the specified power requirements) when the device 'performing'. It is an aspect of 'performance', which will likely be in line with the specified "power requirements".

You try to redefine this aspect of performance as being something else. However in creating this other "not-performance" category, you actually use the word performance to describe it!

If you'll notice my link to wikipedia earlier in a previous post, it should clear this up for you, assuming you understand hardware.

"performance per watt" IS performance. Saying "GH/s isn't performance, it's performance per watt" is nonsensical.

It is like saying "Mallards aren't birds, they are ducks" or "Ferrari's aren't vehicles, they are cars".

GH/s stands for GH/s...not GH/w/s.  I'll concede that standard performance measurements in the mining community haven't been uniquely defined.  But that only supports the fact that we need to use the terms that the people who build hardware use, which is what i'm doing and you're not.
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 17/05/2013, 19:40:53 UTC

Here's a rebuttal: Anon asswipe (that's you) makes random appeal to authority (that'd be your anon expert friends). He then fails to name the authority, and the whole thing falls apart at the slightest examination. He then proceeds to claim "the OP's grasp on reality must be a struggle", because that's the problem with people showing internet idiots that they're internet idiots: teh grasp on reality, man.

Next step, complain that I ad-hominem. Because after failing at making an argument, and failing at making a broken argument and failing at the entire "I win by losing" thing that's the one avenue left.

Fucking retards seriously, how can you go on living? It's beyond the credible.

My sources are irrelevant.  What is relevant is that nobody has addressed my points with any valid counter arguments, or god forbid a link and not just a wall of text with no factual statements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_per_watt

Being anon online doesn't mean anything.  For all i know every person arguing in this thread is the same guy.
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 17/05/2013, 16:17:44 UTC
Wait, what?

For further lulz about "what most people reading this thread have figured out", who exactly have you asked? Name and surname please.

If you think i'm calling out people i work with on a bitcoin forum then your grasp on reality must be a struggle.  A more productive response would be some sort of rebuttal to my argument.
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 17/05/2013, 14:54:20 UTC
You obviously asked the wrong people, for one, and you obviously omitted informing them that the specifications did in fact include a power usage for the other. Either of these make the results of the ask operation undefined.

There seems to be a misconception among some people that specifications are the same as performance...they are not.  If you want to get technical about it, even the circuit boards are specifications, where performance is the end result of the specifications.  The people i asked were well aware of all information, they just know that i asked about "Advertised Performance".  It's kind of like the people talking about stacking GPUs in a box.  A GPU is not an ASIC, and arguments like that from bitbet representatives only confirm what most people reading this thread have figured out.
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 06/05/2013, 23:54:55 UTC

Not trying to argue, don't think my point is even valid, just opinion lol.

If that link was in the email then i wouldn't have brought it up, not a big deal, but now i feel guilty for keeping this thread alive with a pointless argument :/
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 06/05/2013, 23:48:35 UTC
how to calc your payout for youself, so we don't have to that for each and everyone that wishes to know.

All i was really saying for sure is that if they were going to cancel or if it was undecided then most support would simply give me the numbers so that when the bet is concluded i could file my claim, assuming 2 of the 3 possible decisions.  At that point i didn't see how No could possibly win, so i thought cancellation was most likely, before the email.

*edit*
or point me to the formula to calculate my own
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 06/05/2013, 23:30:40 UTC
Depending on how much you should have won, you could consider taking action against these foul mouthed scammers. I placed the early 2 BTC Yes bet and am still considering legal action, but giving it some time as this thing could unravel on its own. Feel free to PM me about it.

While I would jump at the chance under different circumstances, i don't want to take place in any legal action that could result in negative press for BTC in general.  I waited over 20 years for this currency and i'm willing to take a few hits in its infancy.

Also, please be aware that if you send them an email requesting a refund etc, you might get publicly defaced like this http://i.imgur.com/U50p1sW.jpg (posted on the shitty pay per view blog by the douchebag running these unlicensed, illegal services).

Yeah i saw that on reddit.  As a side note, i shared an email exchange with them that implied to me that they had decided a resolution before the bet had resolved.  I'm not saying i believe that, i just expected a more responsive reply and it seemed dismissive to me.  I'll share it, despite the embarrassing instawallet mistake lol:

http://s14.postimg.org/desh99u41/iwalemail.png

edit used the wrong word
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Re: bitbet.us scammers ignore delivered BFL products
by
Branksy
on 06/05/2013, 14:58:20 UTC
I was one of the Yes betters (0.6 btc).  I'd like to explain what led me to bet yes After the first units started shipping.

As i'm sure others here do, i work professionally with a lot of electrical engineers.  I specifically asked a few before betting if power requirements would be considered performance or just specifications.  What i heard back unanimously (from my small sample) is that performance doesn't relate to power consumption, that would be Performance Per Watt, which is different.  It's the same as saying that case size relates to performance.  Energy is just a utility to achieve performance, not the performance itself.

I understand that the reason BFL looked so good is because of the performance per watt, but just because we want low wattage for maximum profits, and just because that's what we based our pre-orders on, still doesn't mean it's relevant to "Advertised Performance".

There seems to be a lot of negativity in this thread, so i would appreciate calm responses Smiley
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Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?)
by
Branksy
on 02/05/2013, 14:45:41 UTC
I'd like to join the discussion in:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg1990795#msg1990795
since i was one of the larger Yes betters and would like to make a point or two.

Thanks