Such a mess.

Sup, I was offline a lot, I know. And even I managed to fuck up things, yeah, but basically by simply taking some time to think, plus I really had much work.
For those who know how IT works, especially when you run your own business (I do) - it can be rather shitty from time to time with piled up stuff.
Tho, I won't complain - I'm making good progress in my real job, but this had to be put on hold a bit.

So, yeah.

Here's what I think; shortly;
Even BTC without massive back up by real people is just a worthless pile of crypto shit.
So, by that logic; I believe that virtually anything can be done.

I'm kinda fed up with this things some people do here (not HEX; cryptos in general); as you may noticed, it's all not going so well recently, I may be wrong but I can point my fingers to masses of filth scammer people who took advantage of those who actually had some elan to work on things on start. Can't say what'll happen next, but for sure - I'm defo still interested in doing anything.

Tho, unlike last time, when I was fucked up twice while merely trying to get something moving, I'll make myself clear.
You can give me 1% trust, 100% or -100% I won't be making long statements and trying to prove that I'm like not some fucker who's in this for 5 bucks and will stab backs for same money, everyone has a choice to take my words seriously or not. SO - NO PROMISES.

BUT

Few things I personally ask/say before we do any shit here:
Forgive me for being honest, direct and swift, and ignore words like "shit" and "fucking" as I do talk like that haha. (I'm not mad, just being like, fast and precise)

a) Krostue, sorry lad, I don't have absolutely nothing against you, but you obviously are not guy fast/strong enough to cope with shit of this size.
I actually understand most - if you put effort - and people dig holes under you - OF COURSE you get pissed, mad or even depressed. I dig that, as human, 100%.
BUT that said, I was with no type of heads up, explanations or any specific communication shared with couple of docs, some emails. Well, I can say for sure, when I receive 2 google drive shared files with no info what the heck is that about anyway, I can't be like running around asking questions too much as it treats my time very poorly. I'm sorry, but it's not best way to do shit.

THUS SAID - I will no more make any fucking attempts at trying to communicate with old team.
I don't find you serious and if you lads cried about few hundred bucks lost in total, what else to say than - grow up.

Running coin is business if you ask me, and much like Gox and other shit in various amateurish attempts of doing things, it's doomed to fail unless you take it extremely serious.
Which btw does not include necessarily thousands of hours of manual work. That would be stupid. In IT; if you don't work smart but hard, things don't go well.

b) If there is public interest in taking over this coin, if for nothing, to have us all doing something cool, getting us know better and eventually even making some money, let me know.
I am nobody for you - I dig that, but I have no reason to lie - I'm not just some 17-year old kid behind cool nick, I run projects daily and even multiple ones to grow and make something out of my life.
So, if I decide to put any fucking effort into thing like this I expect not to be slowed down by placebo-kinda guys who go cry over stupid shit, then some scammy-looking devs who try to run with few btc and stuff.
I'd go in if we can agree to reach market cap of at least half a mil over time. What time? I have no hell idea, but it basically depends on US. Yeah, you too, not me only.

SO THUS SAID - IF you people wanna do something, I say - fucking restart! So yeah - not new blockchain and rendering millions dug out worthless but restart as a let's go with new thread, new developments, new ideas, something to move shit around. I'm being extra careful to draw it out for some as usually in past people had these tendencies not to read whole text and then posting crazy stuff around.

c) If that is the case, if B option is something we can find few people to start work with, on that, then yeah - be prepared also to put in some work, to help me, help yourself, put in some funds, I can do some, I'm sure we can get some from guys with large stacks, let's simply OUTSOURCE stuff and pay people to do. It's like running business.
We have a billions of shit worth coins, if we invest some in future, it may be not good but awesome for all of us and people who get in later.

d) And finally - I'm NOT SAYING I SHOULD BE IN CHARGE. Actually, hell no. I can manage projects well so I can offer my coordination skills to avoid mess, get results over time, etc etc.
So, in such case, we really need more than couple of people on board. For sure someone with C+ skills, some marketeers, some designers etc. Depends on what appears to be needed at any point, but few of them (listed here) are base necessity.

And again I'll emphasize - nobody should feel angry. If couple of HEX worth is all some "lost" (tho nothing is lost until the fat lady sings) here then I can congratulate you. Because, people who work make mistakes, and it's only human. I've lost so much money just by trying to do good in life that it would probably flip original dev team upside down, but WHAT THE HELL? It's life, I'm still here and it only makes me stronger and smarter. Same applies to this HEX project.

I'm defo in, if I can find even remote number of people who can help me, because also defo - I can do shit alone.
But at the same time, final requirement I have is: FORGET THE FUCKING ORIGINAL DEV TEAM! I won't put even 1 ounce of effort in something that can be like then thrown back at me like I stole something or did something bad. I don't care for these 0.5 btc clowns and their issues with how their greed cost them reputation and money. Don't give a shit, and will not put a moment of effort in even exchanging a word.
You can say I'm being whatever, but for those who know the story from start, I hope you can only agree, even if partially.

Thanks for reading.
I hope you're all doing well. I haven't gone through last couple of pages, as I at this moment find it history. Don't care.
If we wanna go, let's simply fuck off all haters and get on right track by ourselves.

Hey; sup!

I'm back. I fucked up almost all I had planned by end of this week, including my "real life" projects, I had 3 days full of 20h work almost, some family stuff.
I was done exactly 2h ago with everything, so, I'm pretty much fucked up for today, I'll get back to you guys tomorrow.

I also spotted PM's, and missed emails, it's bad - but I haven't been able to reply, sorry.
Will get back to you via PM; email and with working counter tomorrow.

Cheers

You had no luck in getting into touch?
Shame.

I'm glad you asked. Tho, you're right, take over is strong word.

I had these other words: working together, or leaving some stuff to those willing. Not sure.

If you ask me (again those cool words); I'd completely destroy this topic filled with basically: "premine gone", "can't sync" and "sell wall" posts and do new marketing based on fresh new stuff, not painful history.
BUT last time I tried to do so, REALLY in favor of myself and people both, didn't go so well.

And basically, we need to also get new people on board to help. I'm not so happy about putting much effort into stuff and then one day Cook coming and saying, here's OFFICIAL wallet update (for example).
And yes, this full on ignoring by the "Walt" and "Cook" is a bitch slap basically.

I myself get pissed because the longer we wait, the faster things go into oblivion.

Malcom's Dad comes by and whips bad kids

We had this kinda thing where dev team was to respond. THO; they did. And c'mon, folks - Krostue mentioned he has more than just a paper wallet prepared.
Not sure what to do anymore. Luckily I have a whole day of physical work tomorrow so I can think while digging out holes

edit: for the plants, not bodies :p

Tho, I'm not a big fan of "btc milking" voting systems. I'd be much more glad if I saw the regular voting as an alternative. But I suppose they fund over that voting, or something.
Still, not sure really to be glad about it or what

Well all right!

Since Krostue and HHex are moving this boat a bit;
I'm off the market situation, exchange and other bollocks shit here; I do not wanna hear any more how it's 1 satoshi

When I'm done with this, it'll be 50. But I'll need help, and when I mean help, I mean funds.
And I mean good people who can show enthusiasm, probably I'll need a channel to push this what I'm working on far deeper into cryptos public, as it might be more than cool in the end.

It happens by coincidence that I do have some angle at arcade industry, as, it happens, I do that a lot for my living.
Also, it happens, I do have written fair amount of different wallet related PHP code. RPC is my friend, I have enslaved that puny RPC procedures many times already.

Sooo, well, I'm gonna actually keep it for myself, as it'll take time anyway even if I get a lot of interested parties.
BUT; it's not MY bet system. It's something else I mentioned.

I'm currently at stage of pulling connections I can to get some number of interested third parties to talk to me.
If I sell the idea, we'll go for sure. I'll help them myself to get systems ready.
Meaning, while it's not gonna be something humane, or something that much connected to real world, it'll be unique and fun. And HEX suits PERFECTLY as a prototype for this.

I'm already excited tho it may take few weeks
BUT I think I can pull it off. And THEN if we promote results enough outside HEX topic to other people here, it just might be win:win:win situation.
Cheers lads

Gotta come out of radio silence, and say something.

I'll be honest as fuck, you can rely on one thing here and that is me being neutral.

I am in contact with Kroustue.
He strikes me like a guy who is really OK. I may be stupid or easily fooled, but allow me to keep my good faith about that guy, he has given me no reason to doubt him.

I can also say that at current moment, I cannot give same grace to Walt and TheCook. They can hate me for saying this, but really, so far, nothing has been given to earn respect.
BUT; we're all people, right. That might change, for not only me, but for some people here too, I believe.

So, I got another mail, stating that things WILL MOVE and will move TODAY. What I am gonna do is make a leap of faith and take Krostue's word on this.
At this point, it seems they also need couple of hours to get straight, so I hope we can all give this one (last?) chance.

At this moment I cannot disclose any more info from email, as it was some news and I'm not the one who should pass it here.

When this goes OK; I can then finally get back to my PHP coding and less public tasks And make some super cool shit for HEX and cryptos.
Cheers people.

p.s.
YEAH KEEP VOTING ON MINTPAL. Much unlike many thing here, that is just about the only effort you can spend with no problems

http://hex.gimmecoins.net -> also for those who want, pick up some easy HEX from faucet, it's permanently set for 4-8k blocks now.

Best thing would be to spare you from doing double work, simply to wait a bit, let's say tomorrow afternoon (GMT), I should have DB. So that might render the program not needed, and can save you and me from doing double work.

BTW; I just got an email stating that original team is having some plans to get moving with the coin.
What I said is: I asked for some thread presence and someone coming over saying something.
To protect our community efforts, I also said that we do not want more promises, but real thing.

I'm kinda playing John Wayne, but before you throw rocks at me, I'm trying to protect efforts and prevent even more panic or chaos. At the same time, with sorta "deadline" set yesterday, we should all keep our patience on leash, and give them time that was intended.
Thus said, I will be in quiet mode for next 10h or so, I hope things will happen.

I said, IF YOU ASK ME. That was not for sure a dictatorship decision and something confirmed.
So, yeah. Also, that "measure" was kinda thought as a countermeasure to potential LTC market. Which sucks balls
I never said I had the perfect formula for this.

Feel free to use web space to debate more. I'm merely sorta leading this shit now, as waiting is not my thing, but make no mistake: I do not make decisions, nor I would do it.
It goes against community owned coin. Sure you can have few people to lead in their areas, from marketing to tech, but still I'm not about to start to run things on my own.

Being eager miner and supporter and now handling this on one level is more than enough for me personally

Maybe it's my english
 

and p.s.
you can say what you want, but I'm doing anything but complaining all the time, sorry to say.

Yeah, you know - "REBOOT" it's not like used as a word to reset this and do what you described.
It's like making a new RoboCop. It's still bad ass fighter bot, but only like, PG 13

Find me a word we can use for this. I'll take anything usable and with some weight.

Yeah, while at that, here's a fun history fact. About 10-12 days ago, few days after launch; I personally had a small chat trying to talk out people to do a restart.
They were kinda like: "OH yeah let's do restart". And I was like "Oh, I dunno, you really think making 40 BTC coins that people bought worthless is best idea?"
Eventually it came through, but now it seems it was also a alternative plan to cash in on pre-mine. Sorry to say, but it makes me pissed when I think about it.

YEAH; we all wanna save our stakes, do something, motivation ranks from greed to higher motives with this, BUT, it's fair enough for those who wanna add up to the picture.

Whale, dude, some patience is also a virtue. We're still 10h in before deadline to do anything.
BTW, if you think you can get those people at Cryptorush to pause OR give HEX another few weeks before they do anything, it would be SUPERFREAKING OUT OF SPACE AWESOME.

And btw - I'm not gonna be at computer tomorrow (I actually have a days work offline things to do, sorry people), so I hope Kroustue comes through and does something with OP.
I can start back with heavy work on Friday.

Btw, I got something I was working on for literally weeks now, writing code through other projects and forming an idea.
Sure, it's gonna be my personal project, tho, since it goes into various directions, I thought why not start with HEX.
Currently, it's low value can provide a good kick for some gaming.

Yes, it's game, but not the usual one.

Oh, on that point, you know those Mafia style browser games? I thought how cool it would be to attach HEX to that as a payment method, for in game goods.
Tho, it's nearly impossible to find that script right now. I might even try to talk to some webmasters about it, we'll see.

And like, sure - it's not a real world thing and stuff, but imagine - it's actually a "service" that requires having coins to play with/against people, which is kinda not a common thing with coins.
Only some have real usage, most are just pump and dump.

WITH PUMP AND DUMP ONLY OR NO FREAKING SERVICES ALL ALTCOINS NOW DAYS ARE IN DANGER OF GETTING KILLED.
Especially since all of us, smaller holders are just a idiot style victims to people with big amounts of BTC.
So, in that light, there is nothing you can do with most coins to save them unless you make services.
Simple as that.

But let me get to my part for a second.
So, basically, it's like betting script. Quite simple in v1, but basically it allows for betting on a certain stuff. My first mechanism I'm working on is to bet on future BTC price.
I started that idea long ago with LOT people, tho at the time I had zero code for it, and now since last week (and HEX faucet parts I polished) I do have about 50+% of code for that.

So, what's the deal? For example, bet is: WHAT WILL BE THE BTC/USD PRICE ON 20.03.2014 at 20:00h GMT?
5 people enter the bet pool, throw in their stake (fixed or not), and whoever makes a good bet, gets all money.
So basically it's like player vs player "game". So, unlike with LOT (and apparent rigging accusastions) there is no rigging here. Nor potential for it, as for the BTC price I can simply use bitstamp data.

HEX would be the first coin to be part of this, altho I would get in more coins over time, to increase number of players.
HEX is also ideal as at the moment you can play with low amount of BTC worth stake.

Anyway, that is just another thing I CAN do, and will do regardless of other activities here or off crypto I have.
What do you think about this?

I got back to userpacman1 about DB, and Krostue about OP. Waiting for them to get back to me.

About the price and exchanges. Again, I'll emphasize: If you ask me; we should simply contact cryptorush to PAUSE the HEX/BTC until we get reboot finished. That may take about a week.
Feel free to share different opinions, better ones or something else

OK OK; only less than 12h left for people to get back to us.
I got no reply yet on email, that seems, well OK.

Next: There are concerns with price at people. I share those yeah. Only due to potential movement to LTC market, which is shit, excuse me for saying.

If you ask me, tho it's just one of opinions: no exchange for next 1-2 weeks would be best solution.
Until we can reboot HEX completely.

But you know, I get it, some put btc in, and it's sensitive. I'd love to push this subject and get some opinions. Also, if anyone indeed has any better plan (based on PLEASE: tactic not just panic) let me know.

I'm on to get to Krostue about OP thread changes, let's try to get things ready for reboot

I DID JUST NOW; duh :/
Sent you tip for reminding me of what I forgot to do this afternoon.

I got one email contact, and I've sent it. Tho, thread is also publicly accessible.

Sup guys?

Well, I'm back, hands tied in much work, not all is for HEX, tho I'll be around for a while. I'll post another post a bit later, Krostue was requesting some ideas for the OP; I don't think it's an issue if we keep it public.

BTW, I also don't get it - about the wallets. I synced fine two on local computers and one on server just fine. Tho, it worries me a bit. I mean, all these people can't be just like, what, tech noobs too much? Sounds a bit off, so PERHAPS we should also note in any future plan: to get someone with good C++ skills (or whichever are needed if not that alone) to check up on that code.
Wallet releases are not so much market sexy stuff, but do tend to provide good infrastructure to other efforts.

And yeah, the Socialbleme asked for some help, guy is trying to do something very cool and not much coins have it, so if there is indeed anyone who can help him at these stuff (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502589.msg5766826#msg5766826), it would be appreciated. I understand the current value of the coin, but you have my word, you will get a good bounty for your efforts. We all need to work together now, and non tech / large holders part of community can always help by simply sharing some HEX to other causes. Thanks

And for rest of people hanging here, here's couple of things you can already do:

a) Point your miners here, as it's currently low diff, you can dig up much
b) Don't hesitate with voting at MintPal.com -> tho I wouldn't recommend sending any BTC there at the moment, I would for sure suggest that when you have few seconds of time, vote for HEX there.

c) OR Buy some coins, its a laugh at 1 sat currently.

We're nearly over 4k votes over at MintPal. That's not that bad actually

Thanks everybody. I'll be away now for couple of hours, c ya in the evening (here at least).

I did so with hex.internetarena guy;
I'm hoping he can come through for us. I will emphasize again: to do this, we don't in fact need any sensitive data aside from block amounts. So it's not like we'll get user data, coins or anything. Just a plain mirror copy of database table holding historical data about blocks.

Currently I'm trying to get back to all people that sent' me a PM, it's really nice to see so many.
I can tell you for sure, I got PM's from people who can really offer much, even with time and schedule limitations which we all have in the end, I'm merely trying now to make some sense quick to organize stuff better.

I'm very positive. Krostue man; when you get back, please read up a bit, and let us know if you're up for a fresh new round!
I'd be very happy to see that.

Good question. I was not directly involved in coinedup.com matters, really. I had this idea I was trying to pull out for total number of coins, tho, that didn't go well that much on my side.

Here's the thing:

To be able to run full real time coin number, it's impossible to do from wallet alone.
So, you basically need to dump one block at the time, to get total coins in some sort of DB, then, when current block approx is reached, you can only pull out new ones and make it readable in real time.

Now, I've tried to do that with PHP; but best speed I can pull out is like, 2 dumps (block) per second at most, plus, PHP has no persistent memory and is simply not best choice for this.
Aside pools, as MPOS does run on PHP/MySQL, tho they update their blocks in real time and have started way earlier.

So, these are two options, actually 3:

1. Any pool owner could pass me the DB dump of that table only with blocks. That would make my work WAY LOT HELL easier as I'd be able to jump to almost latest blocks and do things easy.
I can of course connect my daemon to that DB then and post it on faucet sub-address to be readable, and to work with both DB and real time wallet blockchain info to keep things accurate.

2. If anyone can make a QUICK SMALL C++ code that would pull out that, basically the program should just have to pull out RPC data for one block each second and dump it in some kind of DB (preferably something that can be then exported for web usage under LAMP). Or JAVA, basically anything that can use threads and iterate simple tasks, I think.

3. If all else fails in shorter time, let's say until tomorrow at midnight, I can then try to go do it manually with what I have in PHP; but it is a bitch, trust me. I can't trust PHP script to do process iteration jobs without cron and even then it's a bitch again.

Regarding any solutions, I already got needed RPC code to get each block data, only thing missing is a good "worker program" do to it.

Anyway, I may have misread your question, if it's about getting up on coinedup, I think, especially now with new things moving, we should give it just a bit more time. Let's say a week, for sure.
There's still a lot of other basics that need to be covered here before we can move on. I'm merely trying to point out tactics in which we don't get burned with going out to more exchanges with coin in this condition. Seems logical to me.

Awesome!!!
Can you perhaps tell what was done on the 9th vs the original source?
Is that the one with HBX (and not HEX)?

I noted few things that wallet could use as bugfix. I noticed it syncs at first, then it shows as not synced, but in background it syncs anyway.
Weird but true. Also, some changes might be good for the wallet itself. Not speaking about blockchain tho.