Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was generalising it too much and I do agree with you that bot protection is probably impossible (hence my bike analogy in one of my posts). If people think it's worth the effort then they will try, even with closed source.

About the license, I totally understand. It's always tricky and these days you have to be high grade layer to understand all licensing issues. Maybe this helps a little:

- https://opensource.org/licenses
- https://creativecommons.org

My understanding is that the last one is formally not open source but I like the simplicity of it.

Tbh, I don't believe in that. There are many open-source projects that are more secure because it's open. Bitcoin itself is open and the concept itself makes it secure.

BTW, I absolutely agree with you and most here that its gonna be incredible hard, or even impossible, to make a faucet script that is protected against bots and scammers. That's is also my dilemma (and mentioned by others) if this should be open or not.

But here is an analogy I would like to make. If people want to steal your bike, they probably will be able to do so, even if you put multiple locks on it. Does it mean I should park my bike without a lock? Of course not. Or worse, should I not own a bike at all? With cryptography it's the same not. It's not so much if a person or an organisation is able to crack a code, it's a matter of how much effort, energy, cost, etc. And obviously the level of current technology.

Anyway, I'm rambling.... sorry for that :-)

Cheers

PS: FIB is not open-source AFAIK. We are just able to read the source code and mod it although the last is formally not even allowed.

I'm actually considering that using the FIB api which seems to be pretty straight forward and simple. I'm also wondering about a custom script which includes some kind of signup mechanism but I think that would stop honest user from coming due to the extra "work" for a few satoshis. Although you probably have to up the rewards a little.

Here is the thing, if I make it open-source, would you have the same problems again? I'm convinced open-source, in the long run, makes software more secure due to the amount of "eyes" going over the source code. On the other hand, which might be an issue here with FIB, real smart scammers/bot-coders have access to the code as well.

As said before, I'm pretty new here so I'm sure it was already discussed. Of course, I don't mind to put in efforts by reviewing FIBs source code and and share my thoughts.

Cheers guys and galls

My faucet is new and I get a handful, sometimes even none, payouts per day. These 700 where only in 1.5 days. The ref address was discussed in another thread here on the forums as suspicious as well.

But you are right, on a normal working mature faucet, what is suspicious and what is real? But I think faucet owners probably notice patterns which are odd. For me it was that all addresses had an auto payout limit of 0.5 bitcoins. 700 addresses with the same ref address and 0.5 auto payout address is a pattern.... ;-)

Anyway, it was a good lessons as well. I added proxy checks, IP checks, updates my ban lists, etc. So it was not a waste of time. In the mean time I learned some of the FIB coding as well.

I'm just wondering, do faucet owners "babysit" their faucets? Is it a constant watch and fight against bots/scammers? I probably know the answer seeing so much 'double your btc' and the likes.

Finally figured it out but I sure hope the script will be changed to include this in the future.

For a few days I noticed a high amount of payouts on my faucet from a specific ref address. Currently there are 700+ addresses related to this ref address. Each address has an auto payout of 0.5 bitcoin (via address checker). Obviously, I did ban the ref address but this only rejects ref payouts to that address. I did some private modding on the script so all sessions that include that ref address are no longer paying out. That is all that are processed with the /?r=ADDRESS url or even the addresses for which the ref address was registered.

I'm pretty new to the whole faucet concept and the FIB script. Not sure if the developer is reading this, if so, please include the above checks (optionally or not) in your next script version. If you know that a ref address is used by a scammer/bot then most likely addresses that are using the ref address are also from a scammer/bot.

Hope it all makes sense. If not then feel free to ask of course.

AFAIK it's legit. but ROI is over a year.

I bet you are also a person that keeps hitting the elevator button just to make sure it comes faster?

That is not how it's explained in the help example. The example specifically says 5000 so blocks bigger then 10000 are split.

Do you have the latest version?

Perfect, in Safari all the font/scripts warnings are gone and it shows the padlock now. Feel free to give me a shout if you need somebody to check these or related stuff.

Aha, cool. But in safari it doesn't. Sorry for that, my bad. Read my edit in my previous note. BTW, I'm not trying to be "nasty", just a friendly reminder because I know how people abuse these mistakes to proof their points.

As said, it are your scripts (jquery) and fonts. Those are not a real big things, but if https is a big selling point then make sure all resources will go over an https connection. That will show the padlock icon in browsers and people can directly check the certificate.

edit: links are not the problem afaik. I use safari and it has the developer web inspector. Then you can check the page issues and in there it shows all these "warnings". It sounds very stupid and minor, but I know from my own experience that people will point to any little thing to find proof of whatever they are searching for.

But still insecure connections to various resources (scripts and fonts).

Because they were out of hashes, not because of the running costs.

Net Annualized Return
Bitcoin: -7.57%
CoindeskUSD: -5.73%
CoindeskEUR: 7.18%

What happened here? These are my numbers atm.

He can sell at anytime not?

Thanks @twentyseventy, for just pointing me to read the first few pages (I was just being lazy to ask for the ELI5 ). It's a bit tricky to get into it and all the calculations but I think I get it, or at least most of it. I did some calculations myself and as said before this is very interesting stuff. Even if you don't speculate on the difficulty, but just keeping an eye on the numbers and calculate what is more profitable. Definitely have a go/play at this. Cheers!

Yeah, I thought so, but it looks so damn interesting. I will read it a few times more.

Is there an ELI5 about all of this.