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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
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CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 18:08:20 UTC
how to spot a troll in 3 easy steps

1- noobie account, but thinks they know everything
2- talks alot
3- doesnt listen

 Cheesy Cheesy

Everyone starts somewhere on these forums. Calling me a troll doesn't negate the concerns about XRP.
what made you think the above comment from me was for you ??   Cheesy Cheesy
wrong, you have been here before...you dont just create a new account to come bashing a coin...we are not that stupid m8..
also i asked a simple question 3 times...nothing near as complex or stupid as your questions...
ill try for the last time...

AGAIN...nothing personal...but why the noobie account to come here and post nothing but negativity on a coin you seem to know about but dont want to buy?


I've been a long time lurker, just blown away by all the XRP hype so I wanted to put my 2 cents in the pot.  Too many noobs think XRP is going to make them rich, like bought 10,000 ETH at $0.80 rich, so I had to chime in. Math just isn't there, supply just is way too much and the creators still own 60%+.


How about you show us your math? Maybe 5-10 clear distinct steps of your logic and supporting arguments around what value you would place on XRP and why?



1) Banks will use Ripple tech not actual XRP.
2) The XRP that is destroyed by transactions is not enough to significantly reduce circulation in the foreseeable future considering that 1,000,000 transactions would only cost 10 XRP.   
3) For XRP to hit $1 total XRP market cap would need to be $38B-$100B depending on total circulation at the time.  For a $10 valuation that would need $380B-$1T total XRP market cap.  Let's give XRP the benefit of the doubt and say it captures 25% of the total crypto market cap (all coins).  That would mean a $10 per token value would need to be in a $1.5T to $4T total market cap scenario. That scenario would need BTC north of $100k per token.  While I do believe that BTC has the potential to reach that number and even higher I think we are still a ways off.
4) Ripple currently controls 62% of tokens of which 54B will be locked up for the next year then start dumping on the market 1B at a time.  During this time they still have 8B which is 17% of total unlocked up tokens to manipulate the market with. 
5) Previous articles hinted that Ripple was going to retain 50B permanently, now they have a contract to release them.
6) Today it looks like it's on a warpath downward just like it did the last time it spiked then spent 2 years trying to find a bottom while loosing 95% of its value. 

I am not saying that XRP won't go up in value but I hear a lot of people with the idea that it will be up there with ETH.  It won't.  It may hit around $1 this year or early next but as soon as the contracts start to release 1B on the market every month that will drop the price significantly and keep it at or below $1 for a very very long time.  It also may just stay in a price range between $.2 and $.4.

1.) Link on where explicitly told that bank will use only Ripple? Nah, you do not have one.
2.) Are you aware of how many transactions are happening in the world, or ho many is planned for a ripple?
3.) Have to applause you are very first troll to include 38B as market cap for XRP to be $1. Though you do not realize that XRP does not give a shit about BTC, its exchanges that tight XRP to BTC, it will change soon, very soon.
4.) Can you imagine, when it was 54B they reached 0.42c per XRP, what will happen when they have 8B? 3 USD? Oh no, it does come together with your stupid market cap tightening via BTC and other carp
5.) Even dunno what this thing about
6.) Last time it hit 7700 satoshi than went to 3500 and than for a month was going down to 2500, trolls were having happy days, guess what happened? I know your stupid head will not manage to guess! But try hard!

I am surprised on how man without modelling possible circulation and contracts and etc. can predict price that can go against his calculations on Market Capacity. Troll that wanted to be smart, end of the story.

P.S. here is another joke like you, never gives up: https://www.xrpchat.com/topic/5543-we-are-on-the-downtrend-again/

Story from other end of cryptoworld, when XRP reached first time 50USD and than retraced to 35-45USD, trolls were committing suicide for a prove that it is a one huge bubble. Now ETH is > 200 USD, why? Nah, troll does not understand that.

It's on their website. They are pushing ILP and Ripple Connect as a product to banks not XRP and I can't understand half the shit you write.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 17:24:03 UTC
how to spot a troll in 3 easy steps

1- noobie account, but thinks they know everything
2- talks alot
3- doesnt listen

 Cheesy Cheesy

Everyone starts somewhere on these forums. Calling me a troll doesn't negate the concerns about XRP.
what made you think the above comment from me was for you ??   Cheesy Cheesy
wrong, you have been here before...you dont just create a new account to come bashing a coin...we are not that stupid m8..
also i asked a simple question 3 times...nothing near as complex or stupid as your questions...
ill try for the last time...

AGAIN...nothing personal...but why the noobie account to come here and post nothing but negativity on a coin you seem to know about but dont want to buy?


I've been a long time lurker, just blown away by all the XRP hype so I wanted to put my 2 cents in the pot.  Too many noobs think XRP is going to make them rich, like bought 10,000 ETH at $0.80 rich, so I had to chime in. Math just isn't there, supply just is way too much and the creators still own 60%+.


How about you show us your math? Maybe 5-10 clear distinct steps of your logic and supporting arguments around what value you would place on XRP and why?



1) Banks will use Ripple tech not actual XRP.
2) The XRP that is destroyed by transactions is not enough to significantly reduce circulation in the foreseeable future considering that 1,000,000 transactions would only cost 10 XRP.  
3) For XRP to hit $1 total XRP market cap would need to be $38B-$100B depending on total circulation at the time.  For a $10 valuation that would need $380B-$1T total XRP market cap.  Let's give XRP the benefit of the doubt and say it captures 25% of the total crypto market cap (all coins).  That would mean a $10 per token value would need to be in a $1.5T to $4T total market cap scenario. That scenario would need BTC north of $100k per token.  While I do believe that BTC has the potential to reach that number and even higher I think we are still a ways off.
4) Ripple currently controls 62% of tokens of which 54B will be locked up for the next year then start dumping on the market 1B at a time.  During this time they still have 8B which is 17% of total unlocked up tokens to manipulate the market with.  
5) Previous articles hinted that Ripple was going to retain 50B permanently, now they have a contract to release them.
6) Today it looks like it's on a warpath downward just like it did the last time it spiked then spent 2 years trying to find a bottom while loosing 95% of its value.  

I am not saying that XRP won't go up in value but I hear a lot of people with the idea that it will be up there with ETH.  It won't.  It may hit around $1 this year or early next but as soon as the contracts start to release 1B on the market every month that will drop the price significantly and keep it at or below $1 for a very very long time.  It also may just stay in a price range between $.2 and $.4.




 
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 04:09:04 UTC
I would advise everyone to put coinigniter and other trolls on ignore...real investors value their time and need to sift through endless crap to find the goods

I've made over $800k on ripple alone...one of my many investments....

And I invested when nobody had even heard of ripple...3-4 years ago

So.....when n00bs who started trading last week act like experts...and have literally no clue what they're talking about, they need to be called out

Until you've made your first $500k in crypto, time to listen more than you talk....you don't sound like a real investor or entrepreneur and the signs are all there

I follow this thread to see sentiment...but don't forget who's reading here and how stupid idiots like coinigniter sound

 

The noon calling a noob a noob. Lol.

Newbie on the forum doesnt mean newbie in real life...

If the extent of your understanding is "online reputation" then its obvious why you don't have a clear mind to invest properly

Look beyond hype and look at actual fundamentals and implementation - all the banks are in bed with ripple...those are the facts

All you're doing is FUDing

Real question for you is: how much money have you actually made from ripple to be making these types of assertion?

Tell me how much money you've made from ripple (honestly) or STFU


Bought 2BTC of XRP on Match 1st for .00000444 and sold on May 16th at .000195 so please sit back down. It didn't take me 3 years to make a profit.  

And if you want screen shots of the orders I'd be more then happy.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 03:40:35 UTC
I would advise everyone to put coinigniter and other trolls on ignore...real investors value their time and need to sift through endless crap to find the goods

I've made over $800k on ripple alone...one of my many investments....

And I invested when nobody had even heard of ripple...3-4 years ago

So.....when n00bs who started trading last week act like experts...and have literally no clue what they're talking about, they need to be called out

Until you've made your first $500k in crypto, time to listen more than you talk....you don't sound like a real investor or entrepreneur and the signs are all there

I follow this thread to see sentiment...but don't forget who's reading here and how stupid idiots like coinigniter sound









 

The noon calling a noob a noob. Lol.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 03:29:26 UTC
how to spot a troll in 3 easy steps

1- noobie account, but thinks they know everything
2- talks alot
3- doesnt listen

 Cheesy Cheesy

Everyone starts somewhere on these forums. Calling me a troll doesn't negate the concerns about XRP.
what made you think the above comment from me was for you ??   Cheesy Cheesy
wrong, you have been here before...you dont just create a new account to come bashing a coin...we are not that stupid m8..
also i asked a simple question 3 times...nothing near as complex or stupid as your questions...
ill try for the last time...

AGAIN...nothing personal...but why the noobie account to come here and post nothing but negativity on a coin you seem to know about but dont want to buy?


I've been a long time lurker, just blown away by all the XRP hype so I wanted to put my 2 cents in the pot.  Too many noobs think XRP is going to make them rich, like bought 10,000 ETH at $0.80 rich, so I had to chime in. Math just isn't there, supply just is way too much and the creators still own 60%+.
thanks m8 and thanks for sharing your opinion on why you dont hold XRP now.
now is there a need to keep spamming the same thing?

also i now understand why your here...so while you were lurking the XRP hype was blowing you away, after you sold..you couldnt handle it,

http://i.imgur.com/rPyYOk2.gif
the urge inside to finally create a bitcointalk account was to much, so you did it and came here to stop being ...blown away lol

http://i.imgur.com/QM4Nr9Z.gif
 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

( sorry ray, i couldnt help it lol )

I can't argue with such awesome gifs.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 02:47:30 UTC
how to spot a troll in 3 easy steps

1- noobie account, but thinks they know everything
2- talks alot
3- doesnt listen

 Cheesy Cheesy

Everyone starts somewhere on these forums. Calling me a troll doesn't negate the concerns about XRP.
what made you think the above comment from me was for you ??   Cheesy Cheesy
wrong, you have been here before...you dont just create a new account to come bashing a coin...we are not that stupid m8..
also i asked a simple question 3 times...nothing near as complex or stupid as your questions...
ill try for the last time...

AGAIN...nothing personal...but why the noobie account to come here and post nothing but negativity on a coin you seem to know about but dont want to buy?


I've been a long time lurker, just blown away by all the XRP hype so I wanted to put my 2 cents in the pot.  Too many noobs think XRP is going to make them rich, like bought 10,000 ETH at $0.80 rich, so I had to chime in. Math just isn't there, supply just is way too much and the creators still own 60%+.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 01:23:31 UTC
how to spot a troll in 3 easy steps

1- noobie account, but thinks they know everything
2- talks alot
3- doesnt listen

 Cheesy Cheesy

Everyone starts somewhere on these forums. Calling me a troll doesn't negate the concerns about XRP.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 30/05/2017, 01:17:26 UTC
Ripple will lock-up extended XRP supply in june.
We see what the price will do  Grin

Problem is that they are not locking up everything they control. There will be 54 smart contracts worth 1 billion each. That still leaves 8 billion that they can use to pump and dump on the market just as the did at the last ATH where they sold 5 billion tokens then preceded to purchase them back at a lower price.  There have also been strange fluctuations in total token circulation out side of the ATH's.   Because of the fact that they own 62 billion tokens this seems like a straight ATM play for Ripple Inc.  They use the token inventory they have to enrich themselves and their investors by selling high, crashing the market with sheer volume of tokens then purchasing them back at a lower price.  As long as they can keep everyone thinking that they have a viable coin they will continue to abuse their leverage. 

You can't win when the other side holds all the tokens. 

Additionally lets look at total market cap.  There is no real upside potential outside of a long shot year end $1 per coin value that then starts to crash immediately upon the flooding of the market with an additional 1 billion tokens per month.  Total crypto market cap peaked recently at just under 90B. In 5 years 100 billion XRP tokens could be in the wild and for them to be worth even $10 per token that would be a $1 trillion dollar market cap just for XRP alone. 

I just don't see this coin as being anything other then a scam that will be perpetually perpetrated to enrich only the VC's of Ripple Inc.  XRP won't be used by banks and adds no value to Ripple Inc. other then as a personal ATM machine.

This shows how little you understand ripple, XRP, the fundamentals of the technology behind it and what the vision of ripple is

I would urge everyone to ignore what you're saying because its nonsense..you don't know what you're talking about



I understand perfectly well that a company backed by VC's created a coin that they released on the market while retaining 60%+ of the supply. That alone in an of itself is an alarming fact.

You know what, feck off (next time I promise to replace one letter). What you wrote is total absurd that no one even want to discuss. Go, educate yourself. There is one problem, this is YOU!

For fuck sake, it just becomes annoying when uneducated stud tries to create conspiracy theory from air.

Ok, lets go to alternate reality: "You know what mate! You right! they fucking will control 9B, and you know what? if they got price 0.40 having when they controlled 60B, it means that when they control 9B prices will be 3USD per XRP, easily, +20c every year when they release additional 1B"

Fuck m8, it still 5USD per XRP, how that?

In what universe is XRP going to get to a $500 Billion market cap when Ripple owns 60%+ of the tokens. You would be better buying DOGE.

We are at least 12 months from a $1 trillion cap on all coins if we are lucky. The tech behind the coin might be good but the company and centralized nature of XRP is not.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 29/05/2017, 22:40:08 UTC
Ripple will lock-up extended XRP supply in june.
We see what the price will do  Grin

Problem is that they are not locking up everything they control. There will be 54 smart contracts worth 1 billion each. That still leaves 8 billion that they can use to pump and dump on the market just as the did at the last ATH where they sold 5 billion tokens then preceded to purchase them back at a lower price.  There have also been strange fluctuations in total token circulation out side of the ATH's.   Because of the fact that they own 62 billion tokens this seems like a straight ATM play for Ripple Inc.  They use the token inventory they have to enrich themselves and their investors by selling high, crashing the market with sheer volume of tokens then purchasing them back at a lower price.  As long as they can keep everyone thinking that they have a viable coin they will continue to abuse their leverage. 

You can't win when the other side holds all the tokens. 

Additionally lets look at total market cap.  There is no real upside potential outside of a long shot year end $1 per coin value that then starts to crash immediately upon the flooding of the market with an additional 1 billion tokens per month.  Total crypto market cap peaked recently at just under 90B. In 5 years 100 billion XRP tokens could be in the wild and for them to be worth even $10 per token that would be a $1 trillion dollar market cap just for XRP alone. 

I just don't see this coin as being anything other then a scam that will be perpetually perpetrated to enrich only the VC's of Ripple Inc.  XRP won't be used by banks and adds no value to Ripple Inc. other then as a personal ATM machine.

This shows how little you understand ripple, XRP, the fundamentals of the technology behind it and what the vision of ripple is

I would urge everyone to ignore what you're saying because its nonsense..you don't know what you're talking about



I understand perfectly well that a company backed by VC's created a coin that they released on the market while retaining 60%+ of the supply. That alone in an of itself is an alarming fact.
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Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation
by
CoinIgniter
on 29/05/2017, 21:29:04 UTC
Ripple will lock-up extended XRP supply in june.
We see what the price will do  Grin

Problem is that they are not locking up everything they control. There will be 54 smart contracts worth 1 billion each. That still leaves 8 billion that they can use to pump and dump on the market just as the did at the last ATH where they sold 5 billion tokens then preceded to purchase them back at a lower price.  There have also been strange fluctuations in total token circulation out side of the ATH's.   Because of the fact that they own 62 billion tokens this seems like a straight ATM play for Ripple Inc.  They use the token inventory they have to enrich themselves and their investors by selling high, crashing the market with sheer volume of tokens then purchasing them back at a lower price.  As long as they can keep everyone thinking that they have a viable coin they will continue to abuse their leverage. 

You can't win when the other side holds all the tokens. 

Additionally lets look at total market cap.  There is no real upside potential outside of a long shot year end $1 per coin value that then starts to crash immediately upon the flooding of the market with an additional 1 billion tokens per month.  Total crypto market cap peaked recently at just under 90B. In 5 years 100 billion XRP tokens could be in the wild and for them to be worth even $10 per token that would be a $1 trillion dollar market cap just for XRP alone. 

I just don't see this coin as being anything other then a scam that will be perpetually perpetrated to enrich only the VC's of Ripple Inc.  XRP won't be used by banks and adds no value to Ripple Inc. other then as a personal ATM machine.