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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 01/03/2018, 00:15:12 UTC
As far as I know, the SEC hasn't banned the participation of US citizens in the ICOs outright. They have just expressed "concern" over the rising number of ICOs and the shady people behind them. So unless the ICO explicitly bans US passport holders in its terms and conditions, you can participate in them. The federal income tax will be 39.6%, if your annual income is more than $418,401.

Is the federal income tax the only tax that you are paying in us when you earn above $418,401?


No, it is just part of the tax bracket as a whole. If you are making $418,401+, you will be taxed at the highest rate (currently 39.6%). There are several different tiers of income that have their corresponding tax percentage. If you research "2017-2018 tax brackets", there will be a spreadsheet that details everything.
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Re: shall a utility-token-ICO request KYC and prevent US/China contributions.
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CrYpToChRi$
on 28/02/2018, 23:51:44 UTC
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Dear Experts, kindly inform:

Shall an company registered in Hong Kong make KYC and ALM for its Utility token sale (ICO) and at the same time prevent US, China, etc. citizens from doing contributions? 

The Overall Risk Score is 10 from 100 due to "The Howey Test".




This is not legal advice whatsoever. The reason why ICO issuers do this is to exercise extreme caution in fear of future regulations by the United States that currently aren't in place. They are showing legal due diligence to make sure that they are not in violation of any potential ruling. KYC and AML requirements became rampant after the SEC's DAO report. The Howey Test is a good place to start but there are so many factors that can deem a ICO/crypto a security. Even if it's token is no where near considered a security, how it's sold, marketed, amongst other things could still define it as one. In my opinion, it will most likely come down to a case to case basis in determining this.
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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 28/02/2018, 23:45:19 UTC
US CItizens are prohibited to participate in ICO's to safeguard their citizens from fraud/scam. ICO's to keep themselves safe from any legal obligation, they now ask for KYC information before applying/or at the time of distribution of token. So you can't  bypass VPN to participate in ICO's.  doubt you have much to worry about if you're thinking of using a bypass (VPN, for example) for short-term participation.


" ICO uses KYC to keep themselves safe from any legal obligation". But what if ICO is not from the US and its tokens are utility tokens (not security)?



To my knowledge, it does not matter the location. The SEC has a global reach and power. If American citrizens are allowed to participate in that ICO, it automatically opens up that ICO issuer to the SEC. If Americans were unable to participate by the ICO issuer but do so anyways, the company has an argument against the SEC jurisdiction.
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Re: Isn't fraud committed if a US citizens uses a VPN to get into ICO?
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CrYpToChRi$
on 24/01/2018, 18:28:42 UTC
Using a VPN is not illegal. Users have the opportunity to participate in ICO. The developers formally take responsibility for the fact that accept Americans. All conveniently. I think this proves the absurdity of the ban. The government do not know how to use inventions for the benefit. They used to only act prohibitions. So people are forced to go to the deception.

What about the legalize and TOS outline in the whitepaper? Wouldn't you be in violation of circumventing those restrictions? There are various whitepapers that have different clauses, but one that caught my eye was EOS. Basically, if you use a VPN to participate, you will then be liable for paying for the legal costs of EOS if they are taken to court for soliciting unregistered securities to Americans.

Here is a direct quote from their EOS distribution paper:

"U.S. persons and Chinese persons are strictly prohibited and restricted from . . . purchasing EOS Tokens and Company is not soliciting purchases by U.S. persons or Chinese persons in any way. . . Company is not bound by this Agreement if this Agreement has been entered into by a U.S. person. . . and Company may take all necessary and appropriate actions, in its sole discretion, to invalidate this Agreement, including referral of information to the appropriate authorities. Any U.S. person or Chinese person who uses the EOS Token Contract and/or purchases EOS Tokens or enters this Agreement on an unlawful, unauthorized or fraudulent basis shall be solely liable for, and shall indemnify, defend, and hold harmless block.one . . . from any damages, losses, liabilities, costs or expenses of any kind whether direct or indirect, consequential, compensatory, incidental, actual, exemplary, punitive or special . . ."



Here is an article explaining it better:

https://cryptoattorneyblog.com/news/2018/1/10/eos-a-tale-of-crypto-insanity


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Re: Isn't fraud committed if a US citizens uses a VPN to get into ICO?
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CrYpToChRi$
on 24/01/2018, 18:21:41 UTC
There's absolutely no fraud in using a VPN. You could get the same result by traveling abroad, but there could be a fraud if falsify your identity, your address or your citizenship.

There are no US laws banning ICOs to Americans, rather possible future regulations regarding security classifications for ICO issuers. This is why they ban American participation. If you lie and get into the ICO, wouldn't that be contractual fraud? What I've gathered the only way you'd get in trouble legally is if the ICO issuer started a civil lawsuit against your participation.
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Isn't fraud committed if a US citizens uses a VPN to get into ICO?
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CrYpToChRi$
on 22/01/2018, 17:55:18 UTC
I know that there aren't any US laws explicitly stating that Americans cannot participate in ICOs. The ICO issuers ban American participation in fear of future regulations. The SEC statements regarding the DAO only refer to the DAO specifically, but suggests that some, not all, ICOs may be considered a security. But are you committing fraud by circumventing the ICO issuers restrictions with a VPN? Thoughts? This isn't regarding the ICOs that now require KYC.
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Re: Tax filing and Cryptocurrency Earnings in US
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CrYpToChRi$
on 01/01/2018, 21:49:52 UTC
I've been hearing a lot of buzz about this clarification. Yes, it does essentially state that every crypto trade is a taxable event and needs to be recorded. For example, BTC to LTC is a taxable event and that gain needs to be taxed according to your bracket. I'm just curious what does this mean for this previous year of 2017? I was under the impression that every crypto trade has always been taxed when gains are realized. That was how I was going to pay my 2017 taxes. Some people say you only get taxed when you convert the crypto back into fiat. Can anyone clarify this for me?
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Is it illegal for a US citizen to participate in an ICO with a VPN?
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CrYpToChRi$
on 18/09/2017, 18:09:15 UTC
Let's say if a US citizen participates in an ICO bypassing the geo-restrictions with a VPN, cashes out to fiat and then properly reports and pays rightful taxes
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Re: Bitcoin Attorney Will Answer All Questions:
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on 28/08/2017, 20:21:36 UTC
Dear BTC/Crypto Legal Forum:

As an experienced BTC attorney I'm happy to answer all questions here.

I have noticed some misinformation in some answers here. When it comes to taxes, laws and regulations, guessing or opinions are not helpful and can easily lead to problems. Most solutions to all the questions here can be summed up in a few short answers.

I can only give legal advice to laws in the United States but can discuss other countries in general terms. I've been involved as an attorney and a miner in BTC and Crypto's for 3 years. During that time I have represented many client's involved in our crypto world. Happy Mining!

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Hello and thanks for doing this! I had some questions regarding the recent SEC decision on the DAO token, classifying them as securities.

I've been doing some research on this topic and have not found the exact answer.

1) Basically, I was wondering what are the legal/tax implications when participating in an ICO as an American citizen?
Let's say a US citizen uses a VPN to partake in an ICO. They double their money and then sell. They decide to cash out to fiat (USD) legally and pay the 40% short-term tax on that trade profit (as well as report it) to the IRS.
I heard that ICO providers prevent US citizens from participating to protect themselves legally from the American Government if a scam were to occur. Is this true? I basically come to realize this is a gray area.

2) If someone invests into a crypto months ago and then sells and the SEC determines that it was a security in the future, did that investor break the law? Can retroactive action be applied to this if no firm legal standing was enacted in the first place?

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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 25/08/2017, 03:30:56 UTC
Well if you really want to be avoided by being audited by the IRS you mus include your earnings from the ICO In your income tax report. It could be classified as 2 kinds you can either make it as an income or you can put it as capital gains like in real estate and stocks. It is really up to you on which it can be tax lower. Hiding your true income is really a pain in the ass, so if you don't want to be bothered by the IRS you must be truthful.


That's the thing, I am 100% for paying rightful taxes and plan on doing so. From my understanding, you only pay taxes on a taxable event (like a trade/sell) correct? If I buy and hold without selling/trading, does this need to be reported also? This is a new field to a lot and I want to do it the right way.
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Legal outcome if a token a sold in the past is classified as security by SEC?
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CrYpToChRi$
on 25/08/2017, 03:18:12 UTC
The SEC report regarding the DAO token states that is was indeed a security and that the ICO providers and the investors themselves were violating federal securities laws. What happens legally if a token a US resident bought/sold in the past is classified as a security by the SEC in the future?
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DAO Investigative Report states US citizens are liable for ICO participation
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CrYpToChRi$
on 19/08/2017, 00:31:36 UTC
I have not heard too much talk regarding the recent (July 25th, 2017) release of the DAO Investigative Report. It clearly states that US citizens who participate in ICOs that are considered securities can be legally held liable. I understand no charges were brought in this case in particular, but what does this mean for US citizens who invested into other ICOs?

Full report: https://www.sec.gov/litigation/investreport/34-81207.pdf
US Investors held liable: http://imgur.com/a/IcNYx


Recently the SEC declared the DAO as securities: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2017-131

Basically this means that they are subject to the agencies regulations. From their standpoint, these tokens are a form of shares and selling them without licenses violates federal securities laws. Many people who were unable to access ICOs because of geo-restrictions used VPNs. From my knowledge, the reasons ICO providers prevented US citizens from participating was to protect themselves legally from the United States government. That is true, but also note that the investor themselves can be at fault as well.

Reference this thread by Marco Santori, who is well known when it comes to law and cryptocurrency. He had this to say about the recent SEC statements. Please pay close attention to #6. Let me know your thoughts!

https://twitter.com/msantoriESQ/status/890200014370287620
https://twitter.com/msantoriESQ/status/890187373828616192
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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
by
CrYpToChRi$
on 18/08/2017, 18:46:56 UTC
You're technically correct in that there isn't a US legal ban on its citizens. The exclusion of US citizens from most ICOs (or any other crypto service offering investment vehicles for that matter) are pre-emptive of regulatory measures most people feel must happen soon. It's just cautionary so they cover their asses legally down the line, so to speak.

Personally, I doubt you have much to worry about if you're thinking of using a bypass (VPN, for example) for short-term participation. For now at least, in practice, it would be very difficult for authorities to pursue you anyway if you also cover your ass in privacy-wise.

Okay understood, thanks for the input! I'm just trying to figure out if as US citizen participated in an ICO with a VPN without any firm US laws stating that US citizens cannot participate whatsoever, why would I be possibly pursued legally? From my understanding the ICO providers do this to protect themselves legally. I understand the risk of being scammed and if I am that is at my cost.

it's not the authorities you'd have to worry about. who the hell's ever heard of some egyptian being jailed because they bought some shares in america behind a vpn?

it's the ico operators you should be concerned with. they'll all be so scared of triggering the americans they'd shut you down the moment they sniffed you out.


What do you mean by "shut me down"? ICO operators are only doing this to protect themselves legally.
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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 18/08/2017, 13:00:28 UTC
As far as I know, the SEC hasn't banned the participation of US citizens in the ICOs outright. They have just expressed "concern" over the rising number of ICOs and the shady people behind them. So unless the ICO explicitly bans US passport holders in its terms and conditions, you can participate in them. The federal income tax will be 39.6%, if your annual income is more than $418,401.

So there is really no penalty to be imposed by the government to someone who covertly joined an ICO even if the company doing the offer is clearly not accepting US citizens. Anyway, in this case, it is not anymore the fault of the ICO issuer but of the ICO buyer but they have to declare it once there is already a gain out of the transaction and must pay the right rate of tax. That announcement from SEC on ICO is just an introduction of the many possibilities in the future and definitely it was not detailed.

I wouldnt paint this so cut and dry. I will agree that they will not retroactively enforce this; that is making a list of participants and going after them (would be really difficult, to be honest). But you are running afoul of some pre established law by participating in these as a guidance has been issued. Since you aren't the one holding the money; they would be more likely to go after the ICO (this is about money, after all). Besides willfully purchasing an illegal, unregulated security, most of us are not accredited investors, which requires an AMAZING amount of income or wealth to qualify for. Only accredited investors would be allowed by the SEC to participate in something with this much risk. If you lie about being an accredited investor, or your region, to participate in one of these (they are starting to ask this now), you may forfeit your ability to seek damages/redress as you committed fraud.

Be careful. All of these arent securities, but for the ones that are, treat these as truly risky/volatile investments.


Agreed, I think that this issue needs to be discussed more. I feel that the majority of people who bypass region restrictions via VPN are ultimately worried about being about to retain their tokens. Also, the ability to eventually transfer to BitCoin and cash out to fiat.  If the investor is scammed, that is their fault as I see it. Crypto investments are definitely a high risk/high reward venture. Not everyone will hit it big but wow what an exciting time to be in. There really isn't a firm US law blatantly restricting Americans from ICO participation. Only statements have been released regarding their position. I do however fully expect explicit laws within a couple of years. Until then, it's like the Crypto Wild West.
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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 17/08/2017, 00:53:25 UTC
I've been doing some research on this topic and have not found the exact answer.

Basically, I was wondering what are the legal/tax implications when participating in an ICO as an American citizen?

Let's say a US citizen uses a VPN to partake in an ICO. They double their money and then sell. They decide to cash out to fiat (USD) legally and pay the 40% short-term tax on that trade profit (as well as report it) to the IRS.

I heard that ICO providers prevent US citizens from participating to protect themselves legally from the American Government if a scam were to occur. Is this true? Any advice/input would be greatly appreciated. I basically come to realize this is a gray area.

Caveat emptor. In the SEC's recent decision, they indeed said that ERC tokens can constitute securities, so I imagine that some ICO administrators are moving to restrict participation from US citizens. In the exchange world, enforcing such by IP restriction is usually seen as "good enough."

Between that and the fact that it's still pretty much the wild west (the SEC also chose not pursue any charges against anyone for anything), I'd say that your chances of recovery in a scam are low. So, buyer beware. There's money to be made in the ICO craze for sure, but there are many over-inflated promises and hyped expectations as well.

Thanks for the feedback! Let's say the SEC does enforce regulation that makes it illegal for US citizens to participate in ICOs. What about the US citizens who participated before that regulation? Would there likely be repercussions?

I'm no lawyer (although I do work in the field of legal compliance and I deal with federal regulations often), so take what I say with a grain of salt. I highly doubt that the SEC would pass regulations that made it illegal to participate in ICOs outright, but it may create a regulatory framework so complex that it makes sense for ICO administrators to ban US citizens/residents from participation.

If they did make it illegal for US citizens to participate at all, I very much doubt there would be any retroactive repercussions. I think this is the case especially because of their recent decision, which basically said to US investors, "We're being pretty hands-off. Be careful."


Thank you so much for the help! I've been trying to wrap my head around cryptocurrencies in regards to legality and taxes. I think from now on I will avoid ICOs as it is such a gray area I'm not comfortable being in. Thanks again! You were very helpful.
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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
by
CrYpToChRi$
on 16/08/2017, 13:40:37 UTC
I've been doing some research on this topic and have not found the exact answer.

Basically, I was wondering what are the legal/tax implications when participating in an ICO as an American citizen?

Let's say a US citizen uses a VPN to partake in an ICO. They double their money and then sell. They decide to cash out to fiat (USD) legally and pay the 40% short-term tax on that trade profit (as well as report it) to the IRS.

I heard that ICO providers prevent US citizens from participating to protect themselves legally from the American Government if a scam were to occur. Is this true? Any advice/input would be greatly appreciated. I basically come to realize this is a gray area.

Caveat emptor. In the SEC's recent decision, they indeed said that ERC tokens can constitute securities, so I imagine that some ICO administrators are moving to restrict participation from US citizens. In the exchange world, enforcing such by IP restriction is usually seen as "good enough."

Between that and the fact that it's still pretty much the wild west (the SEC also chose not pursue any charges against anyone for anything), I'd say that your chances of recovery in a scam are low. So, buyer beware. There's money to be made in the ICO craze for sure, but there are many over-inflated promises and hyped expectations as well.


Thanks for the feedback! Let's say the SEC does enforce regulation that makes it illegal for US citizens to participate in ICOs. What about the US citizens who participated before that regulation? Would there likely be repercussions?
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Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 16/08/2017, 13:28:04 UTC
You're technically correct in that there isn't a US legal ban on its citizens. The exclusion of US citizens from most ICOs (or any other crypto service offering investment vehicles for that matter) are pre-emptive of regulatory measures most people feel must happen soon. It's just cautionary so they cover their asses legally down the line, so to speak.

Personally, I doubt you have much to worry about if you're thinking of using a bypass (VPN, for example) for short-term participation. For now at least, in practice, it would be very difficult for authorities to pursue you anyway if you also cover your ass in privacy-wise.

Okay understood, thanks for the input! I'm just trying to figure out if as US citizen participated in an ICO with a VPN without any firm US laws stating that US citizens cannot participate whatsoever, why would I be possibly pursued legally? From my understanding the ICO providers do this to protect themselves legally. I understand the risk of being scammed and if I am that is at my cost.
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Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen
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CrYpToChRi$
on 16/08/2017, 02:16:29 UTC
I've been doing some research on this topic and have not found the exact answer.

Basically, I was wondering what are the legal/tax implications when participating in an ICO as an American citizen?


Let's say a US citizen uses a VPN to partake in an ICO. They double their money and then sell. They decide to cash out to fiat (USD) legally and pay the 40% short-term tax on that trade profit (as well as report it) to the IRS.

I heard that ICO providers prevent US citizens from participating to protect themselves legally from the American Government if a scam were to occur. Is this true? Any advice/input would be greatly appreciated. I basically come to realize this is a gray area.