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Re: Do you think you were scammed by GAW? Tell Ars Technica
You gawtards are hilarious!! So fucking naive, no matter what is reported you'll always agree with that piece of trailer trash behind it.
FYI - Josh sent all his gawsheep over here to try to coerce you. There's a lot of good info here as well OP: http://coinbrief.net/paycoin-succeeding-dangerous/
FYI - Josh sent all his gawsheep over here to try to coerce you. There's a lot of good info here as well OP: http://coinbrief.net/paycoin-succeeding-dangerous/
I'm an investor in GAW and I found that article to be pretty good reading, I certainly wouldn't class my self as naive and I dont believe the word gawtard should be applied to anyone, a little too childish in my opinion.
I've done my homework on Josh personally and his past professional life.
I've also tried to keep up to date with all the goings on on this forum and I can understand that there are people in the Crypto industry/communities that take offence to the way GAW has done things and indeed some that would threaten to harm Josh and his Family.
We are all very different people and we all have a different take on things...
Some are content for the time being.
Some are FAAAR TO HAPPY for their own good
Some are not to happy
Some just want the whole world to burn.
I've made my money back I'm not over the moon with some of the decisions that have been made but i'm content.
If you have nothing of worth to add there is no reason just to add bollocks to an already large pile of bollocks
Andy
Re: Do you think you were scammed by GAW? Tell Ars Technica
I've been with GAW for over 6 months and have had a great experience overall. Their hardware, of which I still have some hashing away was constructed with quality and attention to detail. Very few manufacturers of any mining equipment actually delivered on time, at all, or in working condition but GAW has on every occasion delivered on time, in working order, and over manufactured with a higher tolerance.
They've never manufactured a piece of hardware in their lives.
Neither do apple mate, its all made in China... you didnt know this? their gonna take over the world ya no!
Re: If Paycoin Succeeds, It Could Be More Dangerous Than If It Fails...
You see their logo.
I see two towers.
http://www.cryptocurrencyminingreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/hashcoin2.png
I believe we were warned about this.
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=499036
I see two towers.
http://www.cryptocurrencyminingreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/hashcoin2.png
I believe we were warned about this.
http://lunaticoutpost.com/showthread.php?tid=499036
Your seeing a logo... much like any other logo really. If all you can see is 2 towers when you look at that, then i'll assume you have a nuclear bunker stocked with food and goods for the imminent collapse of society as well.
A little extreme don't you think?
Wolves 
Why only $5k a week? Why not $50k?? Like 50 is more than 5 
Why only $5k a week? Why not $50k?? Like 50 is more than 5 to tell the truth much more than 5k is possible if done right.
Thats great an all but how does that help the Crypto community
I miss the times here when the idealist libertarians had highly visible, interesting debates almost every day. Without the "huge mass" of speculators (starting in 2011) BTC would still be under 50 cents, but...
There is a big difference between seeking honest profits and running Huge theft (or ponzi) scams. Hopefully the "free market" will eventually attract more honest people who are looking to earn their wealth.
It could ultimately be a self-fulfilling prophecy too; with the nature of the community putting honest people with honest projects off; whilst the 'quick-buck to be made' reputation drawing penny-stock and novice investors in. Which in effect keeps the money flowing and tempts scammers appetites alike. Hopefully some good developments will be able to breakthrough this market and change the scene, but I think if recent trends continue we might be stuck here for some time to come. There is a big difference between seeking honest profits and running Huge theft (or ponzi) scams. Hopefully the "free market" will eventually attract more honest people who are looking to earn their wealth.
I think we'll be stuck here for some time yet. With a community of witch hunters Pump and Dumpers ect very few thing stand a single chance of succeeding before being shot down and trolled to death.
That being said I'm very excited for the year ahead, and I'm hoping for big things from Storj / Ether
Merry 2015 everybody \0/
http://i.imgur.com/LPcujQT.jpg
Look at that font mind. I have seen that font used for websites from other scams (BitSwift).
Look at that font mind. I have seen that font used for websites from other scams (BitSwift).
Best proof I've seen so far
He committed fraud.
Maybe in the spirit of ethical trading he committed fraud, but in law did he? I think he's been very clever dropping hints here and there and the rest of the community, or people with an interest in the coin have done the rest.
Yes.
I'll bite, what Fraud did he commit, and have you been to the authorities about it? what did they have to say?
can we expect a public statement, major news articles about this Fraud?
Go to the other thread for your proof troll
But which one there are so many these days
A genius who had better move to country with no extradition treaties with the USA. That fucker will be going to prison otherwise.
Has he actually done anything illegal?
He committed fraud.
Did he? are you sure about that.
Big words being thrown around here with very little actual evidence. and by evidence I do mean evidence, not baseless arguments, slander, rumor, hearsay, and articels by people that do not back up there claims with anything more then he said she said...
The only thing i've seen, read about is business practices that any business with a half decent team behind them would do
You all really need to grow up a little I think, or how about attacking Apple, Microsoft's, Starbucks business practices
No?
Fraud and fuck off.
Well reasoned reply thanks for your input
He committed fraud.
Maybe in the spirit of ethical trading he committed fraud, but in law did he? I think he's been very clever dropping hints here and there and the rest of the community, or people with an interest in the coin have done the rest.
Yes.
I'll bite, what Fraud did he commit, and have you been to the authorities about it? what did they have to say?
can we expect a public statement, major news articles about this Fraud?
Oh come on now, I think if Josh Garza turned out to be Jesus Christ himself you'd find a Thread on Bitcointalk saying Jesus cured a blind man!! SCAM!
Being skeptical is good, especially with the prevalence of heists and scams in our ecosystem. Raise your standards and don't follow dangerous people whether they be that jesus guy or Josh.
Notice how you try and make a joke and dodge all the critical and important issues.... really funny , right? There goes their life's savings , their children's college fund, ... hehehhe...
As to the post about the Miami Conference that you linked! surely the grown up thing to do would be to actively attend the conference and talk to the GAW staff yourself I'm sure they will be answering questions so why not ask those difficult question in person rather then avoid the Conference entirely? (smacks of cutting your nose off to spite your face).
No, it is far past that point and Josh has a lot of answering to be done to the community before we give him any bit of respect and show up at the conference. Don't try to pretend that he doesn't have the minute of time to vindicate himself with the question above because he wastes just as much time if not more than his critics on social platforms and his forums spreading propaganda.
Why don't they provide evidence to shut us up and show they weren't fractional reserve mining (running a ponzi)? I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
Point 1: why are people investing their life savings in a company less then a year old? Invest what you can afford to loose if you think something has potential (common sense?)
Point 1: Why are people investing their children's college funds in a year old company (these parents clearly have no respect for their children?) Invest what you can afford to loose if you think something has potential (common sense?)
Point 2: Its not showing respect its getting your questions answered by getting of your arse's and getting them answered, and what better place to do that then a Conference where I'm sure they will be taking questions in front of the audience. No of course not, its far easier to type an article or 2 and start a few threads on some forums.
Trust me I do agree with you on some of these points, I really do.
See how you dodged the central question?
Than you can start by encouraging GAW to provide the evidence and vindicate themselves, instead of cleaning up and hiding the evidence.
This video showing their single Aisle of ASICs purchased from one Bitmain order
jmordica's Mining Statement: http://youtu.be/ZY284WtOd9A
was just removed minutes ago, coincidentally when a critic mentioned it.
Why don't they provide evidence to shut us up and show they weren't fractional reserve mining (running a ponzi)? I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
Oh come on now, I think if Josh Garza turned out to be Jesus Christ himself you'd find a Thread on Bitcointalk saying Jesus cured a blind man!! SCAM!
Rather than debate is it a scam or not (Sure this is covered in other threads) please can we have some reasoned debate as to how much Josh has actually made so far in dollars.
A) 10k
B) 50K
c) 100K
D) 500K
E) 1 Mill
F) 5 mill
G) 10 Mill
H) 50 Mill
A) 10k
B) 50K
c) 100K
D) 500K
E) 1 Mill
F) 5 mill
G) 10 Mill
H) 50 Mill
Does it really matter? he was reasonably wealthy before ya no.
or is his wealth the real issue here?
Big words being thrown around here with very little actual evidence. and by evidence I do mean evidence, not baseless arguments, slander, rumor, hearsay, and articels by people that do not back up there claims with anything more then he said she said...
The only thing i've seen, read about is business practices that any business with a half decent team behind them would do
You all really need to grow up a little I think, or how about attacking Apple, Microsoft's, Starbucks business practices as well
No?
The only thing i've seen, read about is business practices that any business with a half decent team behind them would do
You all really need to grow up a little I think, or how about attacking Apple, Microsoft's, Starbucks business practices as well
No?
I attack Bitcoin businesses all the time for unscrupulous behavior, my post history and sig clearly shows that. We invite GAW to provide evidence to disprove its critics and vindicate itself from the evidence we are providing.
I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong and GAW to be a credible business.
There are very simple steps GAW can start with to regain credibility. First, it can prove it wasn't previously operating as a fractional reserve ponzi mining operation by showing more than 5PH of mining rig receipts and/or selling its existing equipment it no longer needs openly instead of secretly. Doing this would be easy to accomplish and only help GAW and their clients.
Trust me I do agree with you on some of these points, I really do.
But we should try to remember how fast this industry is moving, and how fast businesses must move to keep up
Promises will inevitably be broken, announcements made and then things go wrong.
People that just call out "he said $20 but now its $7 SCAM PONZI. He said stuff would be released on such a date and it wasn't SCAM PONZI. Non of this helps the industry as a whole, its very much like children crying when they dont get what they want.
GAW Miners is around a year old company and it takes time to get things right, they have and will make many mistakes along the way, that's how we all learn.
No one seems to mention the things they have done though?
At the moment Paycoin is no 4 on http://coinmarketcap.com/
Paycoin is the top traded coin on Cryptsy ect, ect, ect
As to the post about the Miami Conference that you linked! surely the grown up thing to do would be to actively attend the conference and talk to the GAW staff yourself I'm sure they will be answering questions so why not ask those difficult question in person rather then avoid the Conference entirely? (smacks of cutting your nose off to spite your face).
https://medium.com/@BTCtom/this-isnt-awesome-shit-it-isnt-gawsome-bfe1fe3f0347
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So how do we stop this from causing even more damage?
We do the following
Immediately cancel your ticket to BTC Miami if you have purchased one. I know this one might suck. Perform a chargeback, request a refund. Do, something. If you have already paid for travel go spend some time in Miami or work with others to organize a meetup. Dont give money to a conference that is not only letting Josh Garza spread his scam but is now giving him an extra thirty minutes to do so.
Contact the other speakers at the BTC Miami event and let them know your displeasure that someone who said BTC isnt viable is being allowed to speak about cryptocurrencies and that someone perpetrating the largest scam in cryptocurrency is being allowed to speak. Do these people associate themselves with this guy? Ask them.
Contact the sponsors of the BTC Miami event and ask them why they are associating themselves with an event promoting a known scammer.
Do not visit sites showing advertisements for this scam. If you see an advertisement for Paycoin, hashtalk, GAW Miners or any of the other Garza scams stop visiting them. Be sure to let them know why you wont be visiting anymore via the sites contact form. Fuck, the NEWSBTC site said people who are against paycoin are cryptoextremists. Are you a cryptoextremist now just because you disagree with Paycoin?
Dont give reddit upvotes to any site that runs an advertisement for GAW Miners or Paycoins. Stop giving these people traffic who are helping to perpetuate the scam.
Dont share on Facebook, Twitter, reddit or any other social network any site that pushes or promotes these scams. We have to stop sending traffic to places that might snag someone new in to this scam.
We do the following
Immediately cancel your ticket to BTC Miami if you have purchased one. I know this one might suck. Perform a chargeback, request a refund. Do, something. If you have already paid for travel go spend some time in Miami or work with others to organize a meetup. Dont give money to a conference that is not only letting Josh Garza spread his scam but is now giving him an extra thirty minutes to do so.
Contact the other speakers at the BTC Miami event and let them know your displeasure that someone who said BTC isnt viable is being allowed to speak about cryptocurrencies and that someone perpetrating the largest scam in cryptocurrency is being allowed to speak. Do these people associate themselves with this guy? Ask them.
Contact the sponsors of the BTC Miami event and ask them why they are associating themselves with an event promoting a known scammer.
Do not visit sites showing advertisements for this scam. If you see an advertisement for Paycoin, hashtalk, GAW Miners or any of the other Garza scams stop visiting them. Be sure to let them know why you wont be visiting anymore via the sites contact form. Fuck, the NEWSBTC site said people who are against paycoin are cryptoextremists. Are you a cryptoextremist now just because you disagree with Paycoin?
Dont give reddit upvotes to any site that runs an advertisement for GAW Miners or Paycoins. Stop giving these people traffic who are helping to perpetuate the scam.
Dont share on Facebook, Twitter, reddit or any other social network any site that pushes or promotes these scams. We have to stop sending traffic to places that might snag someone new in to this scam.
Big words being thrown around here with very little actual evidence. and by evidence I do mean evidence, not baseless arguments, slander, rumor, hearsay, and articels by people that do not back up there claims with anything more then he said she said...
The only thing i've seen, read about is business practices that any business with a half decent team behind them would do
You all really need to grow up a little I think, or how about attacking Apple, Microsoft's, Starbucks business practices as well
No?
MAX_MONEY is a sanity check on a tx, not the network size. I don't know why people don't grasp this.
PAYCOIN IS A SCAM LET'S TELL AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE EVEN IF WE HAVE TO MAKE UP EVIDENCE.
Um... that.
an obvious one!
An obvious correct statement
A genius who had better move to country with no extradition treaties with the USA. That fucker will be going to prison otherwise.
Has he actually done anything illegal?
He committed fraud.
Did he? are you sure about that.
Big words being thrown around here with very little actual evidence. and by evidence I do mean evidence, not baseless arguments, slander, rumor, hearsay, and articels by people that do not back up there claims with anything more then he said she said...
The only thing i've seen, read about is business practices that any business with a half decent team behind them would do
You all really need to grow up a little I think, or how about attacking Apple, Microsoft's, Starbucks business practices
No?
only morons bought this shit anyway so fuck em
Well reasoned thanks for the input