Ukraine and the bellicose Western elite need to accept that Russia has won the war. The only solution for Ukraine is to become a neutral country, and never try to join the moribund UN. Austria dis this after the second world war, and it prospered as a result. I believe that this will happen, as Ukraine seems to have stopped forcing young men into battle to be killed. They are the future of Ukraine, and the warmongers seem to realise this. They now seem to be turning their attention to Venezuela to continue the impoverishment of Western countries through warmongering. This gives Ukraine a chance to recover if they can appoint a government that can implement neutrality.

White House believes Europe secretly undoing Ukraine war's end

Senior White House officials believe some European leaders are publicly supporting President Trump's effort to end the war in Ukraine, while quietly trying to undo behind-the-scenes progress since the Alaska summit,
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Two weeks after the summit between President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, there has been little clear progress toward ending the war. Frustrated Trump aides contend the blame should fall on European allies, not on Trump or even Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Behind the scenes: White House officials are losing patience with European leaders, whom they claim are pushing Ukraine to hold out for unrealistic territorial concessions by Russia.
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"The Europeans don't get to prolong this war and backdoor unreasonable expectations, while also expecting America to bear the cost," a top White House official told Axios. "If Europe wants to escalate this war, that will be up to them. But they will be hopelessly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

What they're thinking: The Europeans are said to be pushing Zelensky to hold out for a "better deal" — a maximalist approach that has exacerbated the war, Trump's inner circle argues.
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"Getting to a deal is an art of the possible," the top official said. "But some of the Europeans continue to operate in a fairy-tale land that ignores the fact it takes two to tango."
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"We are going to sit back and watch. Let them fight it out for a while and see what happens," the official said.
Some U.S. officials have begun to see European leaders as a major obstacle, despite the fact that Trump held a friendly meeting with them and Zelensky less than two weeks ago.

The Nord Stream investigations are further advanced than previously known. According to research by ARD , Süddeutsche Zeitung, and Die Zeit, investigators have now obtained arrest warrants for six Ukrainians. There is further evidence of state involvement.
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Nearly three years later, German investigators from the Federal Police, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), and the Federal Prosecutor's Office, following joint investigations by ARD , Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ), and Die Zeit, have now identified all individuals alleged to have been part of the sabotage squad blamed for the Nord Stream 2 attack. Arrest warrants have now been issued for six individuals, all Ukrainians. Investigators believe another suspect may have died in the meantime.
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The investigations confirm the suspicion that the group was supported by the Ukrainian state. According to information from ARD , SZ, and Die Zeit, the suspects traveled through Poland using genuine Ukrainian passports, albeit with false names. Last summer, one of the suspects was brought from Poland to Kyiv in the car of the Ukrainian military attaché, possibly to avoid arrest. Ukrainian officials have again rejected the accusation of state involvement in recent days.
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The Andromeda's crew reportedly included a skipper: the man from Odessa is considered an extremely experienced sailor who has competed in competitions around the world. His downfall is said to have been a previous trip to the Netherlands: Due to visa requirements, the Ukrainian was apparently required to provide fingerprints. These, in turn, were found by German criminal investigators on the Andromeda.
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Another suspected member of the sabotage squad, Vsevelod K., may have since been killed while serving in the Ukrainian military during the war against Russia. This man is said to have received military training from the Bundeswehr in Wildflecken as part of a training program after the start of the Russian war of aggression and the attacks on Nord Stream. At the time, he filled out and signed documents while serving with the Bundeswehr. The Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) was able to secure DNA traces from the documents that match those found on the "Andromeda."
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According to the investigation, some of the crew on board the "Andromeda" at the time had clear ties to the Ukrainian secret service or military. Whether the attack was therefore actually a Ukrainian state operation has not been proven, according to investigators.
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However, there are indications that some of the accused are very close to the Ukrainian state – and also show a certain patriotism. For example, Serhii K., arrested in Italy last week, made a "trident" gesture with his hand. A gesture, with three fingers extended, is often used in Ukraine to symbolize the "trysub," the trident that appears as a national symbol on flags and coats of arms.

Serhii K. is said to have had two Ukrainian passports, and investigators also have evidence that he used to be a member of the Ukrainian domestic intelligence service.
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Today, after investigations by ARD , SZ, and Zeit, investigators are certain: The team is said to have been traveling with two sets of fake passports each. One Romanian, completely fake passport each, in which neither the person actually existed nor the document was "official." And one Ukrainian passport each with a fictitious name, but officially issued. This is another possible indication of state aid from Ukraine.
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But the cooperation between German investigators and the Polish side was apparently only partially helpful: For months, Polish authorities remained stonewalled. Allegedly, there were no more video recordings from the port. A state secretary in the Polish Ministry of the Interior publicly ridiculed the investigation, referring to "tourists" who had been encountered in Kołobrzeg. In Berlin, suspicions arose that the attack was not unwelcome to Poland, as the country had consistently criticized the pipeline.

When one of the suspected attackers, the man in the speed camera photo, was successfully located in Poland in the summer of 2024, Polish authorities left the German arrest request pending for days. The suspect, who was allegedly involved in the attacks as a diver, managed to escape across the border from Poland into Ukraine – apparently in the car of a Ukrainian diplomat, as a photo taken by border guards later allegedly showed.
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But, after research by ARD , Süddeutsche Zeitung, and Zeit, investigators are convinced they now know the entire crew by name. From a criminal perspective, investigators believe the crime has been largely solved. The first arrest in Italy is already considered a major success.

And we're just gonna see, so we're setting up a meeting. I sort of set it up with Putin and Zelenskyy and you know, they're the ones that have to call the shots. We're -- we're 7,000 miles away in all fairness. You know, we have -- We've spent through the previous administration $350 billion. Europe has spent a lot also, 100 billion, but it should be reversed if we should have been in for anything, but it wouldn't have happened.

Well, the war really started over NATO and Crimea, and they wanted Crimea back, that was given. Not a shot fired by President Obama in perhaps the worst real estate deal I've ever seen. I've, there's been a couple of them. I would say the Gaza Strip was a pretty bad one too, given by Israel, so they'd have peace.

So they gave away a big percentage of their oceanfront property in order to have peace. How did that work out? Not so good.

And, uh, Crimea is the apple of, of Ukraine. I mean, it's so beautiful. And, uh, Obama gave it away. Nobody ever mentions that. If I ever did that, the fake news would be, uh, they would be writing about me day and night for years. He gave it away. He demanded they, that they let it go, and Russia came in and took it. Uh, just took it like from a candy from a baby.

It was really Obama's -- Uh, not really. I mean, that was, pure and simple, Obama's fault. What a terrible thing he did to that country. And so they lost their heart. They lost the, the heart and soul of the Ukraine 14 years ago, whatever it might be, and, uh, it was so unnecessary to do that. And that's when it really began, when Obama gave it away.

And so there's, uh, there's great hostility and, uh, maybe rightfully so. But one thing was NATO, they, they went in, they said, "We want you -- You know, we wanna get Crimea back." This was at the beginning. Now Putin, in all fairness to him, he made a good deal. He got it from Obama, but they said, "We want it back." And that was not exactly well received, because it was like 12 years before.

That's where Russia has its submarine base. And, you know, that's been there long before Putin, you know, they've been there for a long time, but long before Putin. And the other thing, uh, they said is, "We want to be a member of NATO." Well, both of those things are impossible because, again, long before Putin, it was a no-no by Russia or the Soviet Union or anything you wanna call it. Uh, sort of a similar thing as it gets larger, but, uh, very similar.

But it was, it was always a no-no. You could not -- Russia said, "We don't want, uh, the so-called opponent or the enemy." Let's use that term. "We don't want 'em on our border." And they were right. They were okay. And, yet, uh, they went in and they asked with the United States, they said, "Put us into NATO." And everybody knew you can't, you just can't do that.
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-- there'll be some form of security. It can't be NATO because that was a, uh, that's just not something that would ever, ever happen. He couldn't, they couldn't do that.

Who would want that? I mean, if you were Russia, who would want to have your, your enemy, your opponent sitting on your line. You don't do that. So it was always thought that -- that, uh, Ukraine was, uh, sort of a buffer between Russia and the rest of Europe. And it was, it was a big wide buffer. Everything worked out well until Biden got involved, you know, when Biden gave them $100 billion dollars right up front.

I don't give them anything. You know, I don't know if you know it, but since I've been there, we -- we don't pay. First of all, I made a deal to take rare earth. That's the equivalent of much more than the 350 billion that Biden, uh, got away because I felt so foolish. It was so stupid what he did. And I was able to make a deal with Ukraine, and they were very nice.

They have great rare earth among the best in the world, and we took much more than the 350 billion. And they -- they were great about it. So we got that, you know -- you know handled. But now we don't pay any money to Ukraine. They buy through the -- through NATO, because I got NATO to go from 2% to 5%. 2% when they didn't pay, 2% of GDP, 2% when they didn't pay and 5% now they do pay.
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So we're not losing. We don't -- we're not like we were with Biden where we are paying hundreds of billions of dollars out. We're paying nothing.
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No, it's a fractured relationship. And when I came in, I always had, despite the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, which truly was a very dangerous thing for our country. But despite that, I maintained a very good relationship. I mean, you saw that when he got off his plane, I got off my plane. There's a warmth there that you can't, you know -- There's a -- there's a decent feeling.

IMPOSING SANCTIONS ON THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT
 I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, find that the International Criminal Court (ICC), as established by the Rome Statute, has engaged in illegitimate and baseless actions targeting America and our close ally Israel.  The ICC has, without a legitimate basis, asserted jurisdiction over and opened preliminary investigations concerning personnel of the United States and certain of its allies, including Israel, and has further abused its power by issuing baseless arrest warrants targeting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Former Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant.
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The United States unequivocally opposes and expects our allies to oppose any ICC actions against the United States, Israel, or any other ally of the United States that has not consented to ICC jurisdiction.  The United States remains committed to accountability and to the peaceful cultivation of international order, but the ICC and parties to the Rome Statute must respect the decisions of the United States and other countries not to subject their personnel to the ICC’s jurisdiction, consistent with their respective sovereign prerogatives.

The United States will impose tangible and significant consequences on those responsible for the ICC’s transgressions, some of which may include the blocking of property and assets, as well as the suspension of entry into the United States of ICC officials, employees, and agents, as well as their immediate family members, as their entry into our Nation would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.

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I already showed you the reason why he is still the president. Elections cannot be held when interference and lack of safety are certain.

No need for gym of any kind, but actually need to read.

The oposite is true: Ruzzia wants certain church (not religion) because it serves its purposes. There is no limit to the religion you can personally practice in Ukraine.

"Demonstrated"... how does that work?

Remaining... or rather "growing if left unattended"?

Which matters zero if Europe has to wage a war to defend itself from Ruzzia. That would be expensive. Feeding a bear makes a bigger bear.

Translation: Merkel good because sold German industry to bear.

And all that would be fine... until Putin decides to wage a war in Europe, invade an independent country, threaten with nukes.... Then you have to think of something else.

Then these companies will have to deal with the Hungarian workforce, their skills and... the government. Ask yourself why is the industry still in Germany and not for example in Spain or Czeckia.

Once this is settled, Germany will begin the production of a decent army - yes probably trading with Ruzzia among many partners that is for sure, but also making sure that they have alternatives if the bear goes mad again.

And... welcome again to the arms race - the end result of "spheres" that you seem to think as the only option.

Of course China does not care about paying below market. Ruzzia however... they will sell below market. BTW it is quite clear that Europe can go on without Ruzzian gas. But Gazprom...


https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-gas-empire-crumbles-gazprom-exports-to-europe-fall-to-50-year-low-10416



I do not believe everything I read but this should give you a hint.

Beijing, from all indications, hopes that the war in Ukraine will continue indefinitely. Hong Kong's South China Morning Post reported that Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told Kaja Kallas, the EU foreign policy chief, on July 2 that China does not want Russia to lose because then the U.S. would focus on China. In addition to the continuation of the conflict, the Chinese leadership got something else on Friday. "For Beijing, the Alaska summit confirmed its core belief: The world is a stage for great-power bargains over spheres of influence," Charles Burton of the Prague-based Sinopsis think tank told Newsweek.

Too bad. I can recommend taking it with a glass of water. Or vodka. That is what happens when you try to take a country in a week and fail after years trying.

Nobody knows - probably not even Putin giving the general lack of proper information in Ruzzia, but who said 12 months and who said that it would be enough for any goal. Do not make up things.

Maybe 12 months, maybe 12 years. At this pace of "advance".

I did not hear that from any European leader. Maybe you dream of it?

Not according to Ukranian constitution, but as usual you miss the point. Zelensky is not a problem, he will most likely not want to be president.

But be careful with what you wish for.


Religion is not a problem. Having a church that is acting as an spionage service is. If it is not a win.. who cares.



I guess that Ruzzia has demonstrated then that it cannot keep such "sphere" nor a piramid, nor anything frankly.




"Need" is relative term. Europe needs to be Europe and trading resources for sovereignty... I do not see it. Perhaps we are where we are because Merkel did trust Ruzzia.


A deal needs a buyer and a seller. Ruzzia will have to figure out who can PAY for such resources.


That is because you do not know why factories are in Germany and you have a simplistic view of how industry works. BTW, your ignorance also extends to how the EU works. There is no internal border. Something that gets to Bulgary is in the EU. Ruzzia cannot choose just "one country" in a common market. I hope your hopes were not placed on that idea. Nor on the idea of industrial relocation to Bulgary (I am laugingh my but out).


Unfortunately, the moment Ruzzia starts talking nukes and pressing Europe, "freedom oil" is the only oil. Again, go sell to China and good luck with the price.


Pretty much the opposite, agreed.


Then it does not end. Again, the "spehere" has poped, it is just a question of when Ruzzia will see it. It will take time of course, it is a hard pill to swallow.

 What is the problem? I do not see any problem seeing Ruzzia loose one refinery a day, or an oil tanker, or more strategic bombers, or more long range radars...


That is a very good question. The USSR did not find the answer to it and blew, maybe Putin and the next gangsters do, but weapons races are more expensive than car races.


What an argument. I do not need to answer that.



That is not true. Europe wants guarantees for Ukraine, because that is pretty much equivalent of having guarantees for Europe. That is the whole point of supporting Ukraine - achieve security in Europe.

I guess the best guarantee is for Ukraine to have a nuclear programe of its own? Missiles 500 km from Moscow?


Well, that may or may not happen. At the current pace, Ruzzia would need years to achieve even the most modest goals, while loosing troops, money, irreplaceable assets, refineries and, if secondary sanctions like to ones applied to India spread... 50% of buyers.

Secretary of State Rice, Merkel's security adviser Heusgen and others stood at a bar table. Russia by itself is just one country, the American argued, according to participants, whereas Russia plus Ukraine and Belarus is an empire. She stressed that such an empire, once established, would once again seek to dominate Europe, and that the Kremlin would again pursue an aggressive foreign policy.

Macron: Russia's offer to Ukraine would mean capitulation, not peace

I do not think that Zelensky has to announce a victory. Remember, he is actually an elected president. I doubt very much he wants to stay in power (I would not).

Return of Ruzzian culture... I do not see how that is going to happen. Ruzzia now is hated - as you would imagine.

New territories (5??), maybe. But you have to ask what did you exchange for them and how long will you be able to hold them.

No NATO... well, formally that may or may not be the case, but after this war, Ukraine will be permanently in war footing. No more "surprises" and if Ruzzia wants to try again, it will find something completely different. I think Putin and the future gangsters of Ruzzia understand the real cost of invading.

But again, all this may or may not be. I do not picture Zelensky giving territory for free and I do not picture Europe taking just any deal no matter how bad. After all, US is no longer a trusted ally, so if there needs to be confrontation, there will be confrontation.

Oh... so many quesions to answer , by everyone




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All this subject to finding what really comes out of this meeting... or whatever it is but...

As usual, your interpretation is.. what it is. Of course Putin is happy with what he got from Trump. I am myself surprised about how little Trump has learned about Ruzzian diplomacy despite the many sessions he has now gone through. However...

But it is not unexpected. Putin will "declare victory" in any outcome whatsoever and anyway it does not look like anyone will question. However, that is very different from victory as such.

Firstly, I think Putin will have to explain (or not explain anyway) why he has emptied the soviet arsenal of war to take the Donbas. I do understand waging a war for a land bridge to Crimea, but all these years for destroyed villages and a region that is mostly underdeveloped? Economically stupid.

Or, if you choose to think about it as creating a "buffer", well that is something, but also only to find out that Ukraine and many other nations have anyway drones and missiles that have much much longer range.


Oh, so that is what Ruzzia has been "asking" since the begining? I see. So let's recap:

- Objective: Demilitarise, "de-nazify" and all that - translation: Install a pro-Ruzzian government in Ukraine... FAILED.
- Objective, replacing the former: Impose impossible conditions for Ukraine, so that it eventually becomes untenable.... FAILED.
- Objective, replacing those two: Take 4 regions of Ukraine. FAILED.
- Objective, replacing all the former: Take the Donbas. MAYBE?

The terms and conditions PROPOSED are to be seen, so all this is "with due caution". Ukraine may not accept to give territory just like that.

That is a short summary, perhaps too short and simplistic, but it certainly helps to understand what has been the real power of Ruzzia when actually put into practice, agains an extremely small version of what a war actually could be. It all points to what anyone in the future will classify as a minor "victory" or an "indecisive" closure. The economic damage, the militarisation of Ukraine, the international image of Ruzzia ridiculed by a relative small nation.... Yep sure, declare whatever (IF it happens).

Re Zelensky... again, depending on and if any of that actually happens, but he is probably going to be a big name in Ukraine's history. Putin will be a footnote in history - another Ruzzian gangster.

My guess is that Europe has not been left as out of the deal as it looks, else this may actually not end. There is one key takeaway for Europe from the current state of affairs with the US: EU cannot rely anymore on the US. What this means for Ruzzia, well I have quite a good idea of what it means, but I want to wait for the next few weeks.

What the heck... I think Ukraine is going to be armed to the teeth by Europe, and who cares about NATO if the US people choose guys like Trump, it is better to be out, grow the nuclear arsenal, grow the strategic capabilities and finish the development of the air defence equivalent of Patriots - which is already an ongoing programme.

Ruzzia is the one "European" country which has learned nothing from WW II.

BTW: It seems that Ukraine has encircled around 350 Ruzzis near Prokosk.

What exactly was discussed in the high stakes meeting and what was agreed remains a mystery.
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Trump touted his “fantastic relationship” with his Russian counterpart and branded the meeting “extremely productive.”
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Referring to Putin, he continued: “He's a strong guy, he's tough as hell and all of that, but the meeting was a very warm meeting between two very important countries, and it's very good when they get along.”

Earlier in the day, Trump rolled out the red carpet for Putin, greeting him warmly before they jumped into his U.S. limousine, dubbed “The Beast.”

At the end of their joint speech to press Putin suggested the pair next meet on his home turf: Moscow.

“That’s an interesting one, I’ll get a little heat on that one,” Trump replied. “But I could see it possibly happening.”
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Despite the flack, Trump told Hannity he believed on a scale of one to 10, the meeting was a 10. “It’s good when two big powers get along, especially when they’re nuclear powers.
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Host Sean Hannity asked what advice he would give to Zelensky and Trump replied: “Make the deal. Gotta make a deal.”

Trump says Biden handed Ukraine money like it was ‘candy’
“I think we're pretty close to it. And look, Ukraine has agreed to it," Trump told Sean Hannity during a Friday appearance on “Hannity.” "Maybe they'll say no because Biden handed out money like it was candy. And Europe gave them a lot of money. You know, we gave $350 billion. Europe gave them much less, but still a lot. $100 billion.”

Putin thanked Trump for the “friendly” tone of the conversation they had on Friday and said Russia and the United States should “turn the page and go back to cooperation.”

He praised Trump as someone who “has a clear idea of what he wants to achieve and sincerely cares about the prosperity of his country, and at the same time shows understanding that Russia’s has its own national interests.”

“I expect that today’s agreements will become a reference point not only for solving the Ukrainian problem, but will also mark the beginning of the restoration of businesslike, pragmatic relations between Russia and the U.S.,” Putin said.

Seems that Putin is now in Alaska. i wonder what can make the old ganster come out of the Lair.  Maybe trying to win in an office what he cannot in the field?

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The point is that you are selling Ruzzian "full rights" as something worth more than being independent and able to decide what are your rights and obligations. There is not point on this, there is no way Moscow is going to provide "services" other than servicing itself. Life does not work like that.

this is an accompanying/additional reason and it took place.
Georgia would have tried to get its territories back in any case.
But of course you are trying to shift the topic to NATO?
it is so predictable.
A club of historians is being formed here since the time of the Rurikovichs (reference to Putin)
in any case it is an off-topic.

However, you have really shit yourself with your lies.

I know, but we're not talking about millions.
Dude, I'm literally from Russia and I have relatives in Ukraine.
And I know (everyone knows) that there are NOT millions of people who remain on the front lines.


According to unofficial data, more than a million people died, more likely closer to 1.2 million.


complete lack of social protection


in many cities of Ukraine that are captured, there is no water and electricity, the cities are not being restored


Oh, I see you’re quite good at dodging responsibility.
You lied — I caught you. But now you’re twisting it as if I “confirmed your point of view,” even though earlier you claimed there was no destruction.
I’ll repeat your lie and my reply again.



This data is understated.
In the combat zone, it is impossible to adequately and safely not only recover all the bodies, but even approach the area.
Ukraine does not have a Hamas-style “Ministry of Health” that releases casualty figures within an hour after an attack.


the problem with people like me is that I do not have endless time to sit here and object to your lies. I don't have the time or resources for this. I don't get paid for this. That's why propaganda usually wins.

What has become clear to me is that Israel is going after the systematic "relocation" of Palestinians, also in the West Bank BTW. They can be relocated to whatever country accepts them or under the ground, killed.

This is regardless of whatever happens with Hamas - these things are different and the sooner you look at them as separate, the faster you understand the current Israeli government.

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced that work would start on a long-delayed settlement that would divide the West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem, a move his office said would "bury" the idea of a Palestinian state.
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"Whoever in the world is trying to recognise a Palestinian state today will receive our answer on the ground. Not with documents nor with decisions or statements, but with facts. Facts of houses, facts of neighbourhoods," Smotrich said.
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The United Nations urged Israel to reverse its decision to start work on the settlement.
"It would put an end to prospects of a two-state solution," U.N. spokesperson Stephane Dujarric told reporters. "Settlements go against international law … (and) further entrench the occupation."
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In a statement headlined "Burying the idea of a Palestinian state," Smotrich's spokesperson said the minister had approved the plan to build 3,401 houses for Israeli settlers between an existing settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

"The EU rejects any territorial change that is not part of a political agreement between involved parties. So annexation of territory is illegal under international law," European Commission spokesperson Anitta Hipper said.
British Foreign Minister David Lammy said the plan must be stopped.
"The UK strongly opposes the Israeli government's E1 settlement plans, which would divide a future Palestinian state in two and mark a flagrant breach of international law," Lammy said in an emailed statement.

every country has borders and the designated customs/border crossings

every country has border checks. isreal have not stooped other countries. they just customs check the supplies dont have weapons/banned thing smuggled in.. UN could deliver checked goods into gaza but no UN dont want to step foot into gaza, they want hamas to control aid within the border.. but hamas are too cowardly to come to the border, so UN aid just stays at the border. the UN dont want other aid agencies handling UN aid either
the UN doesnt want isreal or ghf doing sparate food aid, but isreal/ghf still do even when legally they dont have to and warned by UN not to


you really are deluded.. UN/hamas do not want lots of random countries helping out.. the UN say only hamas should be handling the aid within gaza
eqypt stopped helping directly as it would escalate them into the war, after all egypt owned gaza for a long time in history, so do not want a repeat

hack we also see the houthi's destroying ships heading towards the region so they are not ones wanting to feed gaza. and i have not seen iran try to send stuff inwards thats not weaponery. even though they are the main funders of hamas. where is irans humanitarian effort?
iran are abusing the palestinians and using hamas for irans end goal of re-igniting the persian empire

isreal/US is the only ones willing to take the risk to send aid in even against UN's preferences.. even the UN itself refuse to step across the border.. they just leave aid at the border..
isreal have sent more aid in than the population needs.. enough that if it was distributed and not hoarded at hamas warehouses. would be enough calories to feed 2m people until mid 2026

why are you so blind to what happens to the aid once inside the border. why are you too afraid to look at what hamas does once they organise ambushes of aid trucks en-route to distribution centres. 85% of aid never reaches the distribution centres because its ambushed en-route
why are you too afraid to look into that stuff.. oh wait it will involve you saying something negative about hamas. and you are too afriad to say bad things about hamas


again you keep switching the word from hamas troops and their families/associates. to try to make it sound like innocent random palestinian.. see how bad you are at separating to two.. heck you cant even see the difference. and thats why you are blind and stupid in these discussions

hamas are in power i told you already !!!!
hamas are in power i told you already !!!!
stop being blind to the word hamas. realise their agenda, realise how they differ to normal civilians and other arabs/muslims.. stop being blind to hamas, stop trying to avoid hamas's actions


quick translations
hamas=extremist terror plotting soldiers with the motto "deal to isreal, death to america" mostly wear black with green bandana on forehead on duty
palestinians = normal citizens

your problem is you want to pretend that hamas are the same as palestinians, even though hamas follow the credence of the iranian regime of actual genocide
palestinians are the normal civilians that just want a family, work and home.. a normal life, they wear normal middle eastern casual wear

this is why many countries want hamas removed, disarmed and depowered. and instead have gaza governed by a peaceful palestinian state power

when the food that is destined for distribution sites, gets ambushed, look into who organised the ambushes, then look at where 85% of food ends up that should have got to palestinians for free

the blockade is not due to palestinians vs isreali's its due to hamas vs isrealis
isreal want peace with palestinians. isreal have fundamentally be the main ones writing peace deals and accords with palestinians and other arab nations.. its however the extremist terror groups that have a strong hold and working as a taken over government that then cause chaos for those involved
hamas declined many efforts for peace,

YOU and those like you keep trying to tar innocent palestinians with the same brush as hamas.. every time something involved hamas you call it out as a palestinian thing. you and others like you keep pretending that palestinians are the intended targets and everything in your eyes needs to make it look like a palestinian thing and not mention hamas

isreal have intelliagence they know where the hamas targets are, that is who they are targetting. they airdrop loads of leaflets if the area is a civilian area to get the civilians a chance to move out away from hamas known locations.. those that dont move from hamas will evidently become collateral damage.. butif you look at whom these refusals to move people are, they are the family or strong neighbours of hamas

it doesnt need measuring skulls.. you are delusional.. what you got to realise is isreal does all it can to warn normal innocents that hamas have infiltrated their neighbourhood/civilian infrastructure, causing the area to become a battleground. isreal give time for civilians to disperse
what you are not admitting to want to know is hamas dont warn the area that hamas need to use the area. hamas dont tell citizens they will be safer if the moved out
try to learn why hamas want and demand and threaten civilians to stay, even their own family they dont ask them to leave for safety

i never have been, but if i was a military guy. i would not want my family living with me in the same building that i do my military actions. i would not use my family or neighbours as human shields. if my family got shot in the location im doing military actions, id feel guilty that i put them in harms way, i would not blame others. its called war, if i knew an area is a battle field i would want civilians to move out the way, i would not want my family, friends or neighbour in the firing line
you however, by reading a few of your posts seem to be of the ideals of wanting family in the battlefield with you

hamas dont want to build battle fields in wastelands at the borders away from civilians. they want to hide in civilian area's they want to use their family and neighbours as human shields.
those that voluntarily stay want to become martyrs because they believe in the hamas cause.. and thats what makes them different to innocent palestinians.. not skull sizes


with the terms that come with that recognition
disarm hamas demilitarise hamas, get new election process to replace hamas with a peaceful palestinian authority
then yes gaza has ancient historic recognition from the ancient days of the philistines to call gaza palestine and be governed by a peaceful palestinian government
(ive said this already but i know you ignored it because i mentioned remove hamas, which you dislike, so ignored entirely)

countries previously have not wanted to recognise gaza as a palestinian state because its currently controlled by a extremist terror group(hamas) under the umbrella of the iranian regime

Article 50 - Definition of civilians and civilian population
1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) of the Third Convention and in Article 43 of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.
2. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.
3. The presence within the civilian population of individuals who do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the population of its civilian character.

Just Ruzzia defending its interests as usual. If they ever believed in an independent country they would not need to be guarantors of anything. Ruzzia is to blame for the whole inestability in the region. Otherwise the existing groups would simply have to find a way to settle their own interests and reach an agreement - with whatever means.

On regards to Ukraine, same principle - Ruzzia's government self-issuing themselves the right to rule over others.

I love this one...

Full rights... and full limitations and obligations. Most know which are of greater weight, particularly if you do not live in Moscow or StPb.

I hate getting into loads of back n forth that requires time and walls of text so literally breaking it down to the most basic point that would give weight to the statement I made earlier skipping the complexities of when South Ossetia was an autonomous oblast within the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic back in the soviet era. Anyway I am not talking about South Ossetia’s right to self-determination or the right to secession.I am making only a specific point based on legal analysis where back in 1992 after the previous conflict the Russian intervention allowed South Ossetia to become a de-facto independent republic but yes it is still seen as part of Georgia by the "international community".

I am referring to the status quo that was in place back in 2008 to stop an escalation which was broken by Georgian forces and as the Russians took responsibility for "peacekeeping enforcement" they had no choice but to enforce this and yeah anyone with an IQ over 80 is aware of Russian MO with regards using separatists to lay claim to territory but Georgia violated international law when it used force against Russian "peacekeeping" troops stationed in Tskhinvali, and from that moment, Russia’s army had grounds to use force in the "peacekeepers" defense. This is FACT based on international law whether one likes it or not without any form of bias. I understand your bias towards your former homeland but in court emotions and bias along with opinions are worthless and only facts are admissable.

I support neither Russia, Georgia or south ossetians and am just the devils advocate here. I am not part of any "community" or "company" and just a casual observer stating certain facts.

I am not misinformed nor a misinformer. Georgia could have been a whole lot more clever in how it dealt with the situation and only played right into the hands of Russia giving them the pretext they were waiting for to use military force albeit outrageous disproportionate force. All is fair in love and war....

Rusia does NOT have this pretext in Ukraines case because they were not the guarantors of the separatists in the region on paper signed and sealed that would have given them said pretext. I am speaking from a legal point of view no matter if its fair or unfair and I am on point on this "specific" matter and have zero interest in the politics or emotions behind the beligerence. Unfortunately we will have to agree to disagree on this "specific" point but I am pretty clued in like every dog on the street as to how Russia uses the whole separatist stage play in order to bring regions under its sphere of influence.

Russia brokered a ceasefire and negotiated the Agreement in 1992. The agreement primarily established a cease-fire between both the Georgian and South Ossetian forces, but it also defined a zone of conflict around the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali and established a security corridor along the border of the as yet unrecognized South Ossetian territories. The Agreement also created a Joint Control Commission and a peacekeeping body, the Joint Peacekeeping Forces group (JPKF). The JPKF was put under Russian command

again Gaza...
I regret reading this, but now I can't keep quiet
What nonsense, what kind of "encouragement for resettlement" are we talking about?

millions? do you have exact data?
it seems you have read too much propaganda of Putin's regime.
In fact, millions of Ukrainians are fleeing to Europe from the war.
only those who truly believe that Russia will bring order, peace and happiness remain... such are a minority.


naive nonsense. besides, it is not true.
Ukrainians who remained on the Russian side are at least not considered full citizens. In the past (at the beginning of the war) Russia carried out mobilization (on the captured territory) among those who decided to become "full citizens". Those who are too young are prepared for service in the Russian army, most likely they will be sent to war.
Besides, the captured lands are in ruins, there is no water or electricity.

This is already a blatant lie. In Ukraine, dozens of small towns have been destroyed, together exceeding the area of Gaza.
In Gaza, about 185 square kilometers are destroyed. In Ukraine (counting only the immediate combat zone), the scale of destruction is about 300 square kilometers — and that’s just medium-sized towns.
On top of that, there are countless villages. And there is also destruction in cities far from the front lines that are still hit by Russian missiles.
In total, this adds up to about 900 square kilometers — 2.4 times larger than Gaza.
There is not a single city in Ukraine that has not been shelled. This is not a border skirmish, it is a full-scale war.

Nature and open land have also been devastated: fields, forests, shelterbelts, roads, bridges, and dams destroyed.

Your ignorance is catastrophic. I strongly advise you not to get into topics you clearly don’t understand.

You don't have the full data. I'll tell you.
This conflict began with Russia's support for Ossetian separatists.
In the early 1990s, South Ossetia proclaimed their independence, which was never recognized by the international community (except for Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, and Nauru).

Georgia believes that South Ossetia is its ancestral land, and Ossetians are just another ethnic group. Georgia sees South Ossetia's desire to secede as the result of Russian policy and incitement. Russian provided financial and military support to Ossetian separatists.

In both 2008 in Georgia, and in 2014 and 2022 in Ukraine, Russian propaganda used the narrative that Georgia and Ukraine were committing "genocide" against the Russian-speaking population, which required a "humanitarian intervention." International investigations did not confirm these accusations.

Therefore, claiming that "Georgia attacked Ossetia" is equivalent to claiming that "Ukraine attacked the DPR and LPR."

(It's important to add that Ossetians are a distinct people who are not part of the Georgian ethnic group. It's a pity that they attempted to realize their right to self-determination through armed conflict with Russia's help, just like Abkhazia. Now, having gained independence from Georgia, both Ossetia and Abkhazia are, in effect, under the control of Russia.)

PS. Please research such things a little better. Spreading incorrect information harms the community.

In Gaza... you mean Israel attacking Gaza is the same as Ruzzia invading Ukraine... sorry I am unable to even follow your logic.

The reason is again your mindset. You believe in empires, blocks, influence, the supremacy of Ruzzians (or at least some of them), ... You have a hammer and everything looks like a nail to you.

Nope, you are actually trying to break the Ukranian law. I already quoted and described he relevant articles, why are those in Ukranian constitution and how they have the effect of not allowing elections during war.

You are absolutely obsesed with elections in Ukraine assuming that Ruzzian influence and bribes would somehow hand the victory that Putin is unable to get in the fields. Do not take as a certainty at all.

I am not sure how you intend to relate something Biden says with following an international agreement. These are so different in nature that I am guessing you are desperatetly trying to find something to say? The closes you are going to get is to the US systematically breaking the treaties with the original inhabitants of North America - if that qualifies as international.

Many posts ago, I did give you the exact bits of the Ukranian constitution that do not allow elections and under which context. But you do not care about democracy in Ukraine, you are just seeking a way of manipulating.

I was wondering... when will Putin decide to face free elections with multiple oposing candidates (as oppossed to killing them)? Rethorical, do not bother.

isreal do not control gaza
hamas does
hamas is the occupying power
hamas is the one which according to IHL

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised

its upto hamas to maintain the public services such as hospitals and schools and bus services and everything a public authority has
its upto hamas

isreal is not the control authority

do you get it now

isreal as a neighbouring country does not need to run gaza schools, utilities, public services and such
but isreal is without legally needing to, isreal do warn palestinians when an area is being a warzone to give people time to move to safety. hamas when they abuse palestinians by using their homes schools and hospitals as military strongholds do not give the palestinian population the same choose, nor alert. infact hamas demand palestinians dont move
hamas dont give out the aid received to the people for free, hamas send the best food to its troops as bribes/salary to join/continue the fight. and then sell the rest at illegal markets

learn this stuff

isreal did not take over gaza public authority.. hamas did
isreal dont want to control/take over the public authority. isreal just dont want hamas in control
isreal and palestinians want to reform government and put in place a peaceful palestinian party whom recognise each other and want peace

now that you are learning about geneva convention and international humanitarian law.. put that info against hamas's actions

hamas consider themselves as the occupying power, which they ABUSE to take control of state infrastructure such as school/hospitals to then use for their military hiding places. they use the occupying power 'rights' to control justice/disorder as their excuse to execute palestinians without their acts being described as a war crime and instead local civil/criminal justice

yep when hamas steal the aid from incoming aid trucks they deem it theirs. they hoard it and if any palestinians try to take food from the hamas storage yards hamas treat the hungry palestinains as looters and execute them
yep the aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas, but hamas abuse the occupying power laws to take control, and use the laws to then execute palestinians who want food that was suppose to be given to them for free..

why are you afraid to look into hamas's actions
hamas are not a bunch of peaceful politicians, they are not a group that have palestinians safety at heart, they do not want civilian public services, civilian infrastructure to remain in civilian hands

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as for the collateral damage, which you infer can turn extended families into extremists and join hamas
majority of the people hit when hamas is targeted, are majority families of hamas troops and affiliates. so they already were leaning, indoctrinated, familial linked to hamas
take even the so called citizen journalists that al jazeera are playing violins about this week. they too have hamas affiliation already. they were not just innocent palestinians whom just happen to have special access to active war zones and just happen to have the camera ready at the right time

when you learn the hamas troops/leaders targetted had families hit due to them standing by their man..the collateral damage of true innocent unaffiliated people is actually super low. thus chances of absolute innocent bystanders being collateral damage is low and the chance of the extended families whom grieve the loss turning extremist is low

you keep thinking isreal is just random shooting absolute innocent palestinians en-masse, reality is the collateral damage is limited to close family and friends of hamas troops/leaders.. those already affiliated to side and want to be around hamas before any attack