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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 24/06/2025, 03:03:09 UTC
i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
..
those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

 

Again, it does not matter if it is today, tomorrow or in a year. There is a nuclear programme, the intention is to create a nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. There are documents of the IAEA explicitly saying so.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO WAIT ANY MORE TO "CLOSE IT"


Propaganda or cite IAEA report saying Iran's intention is to have nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. In fact Grossi told CNN said that U.N. inspectors did not have proof that Iran was engaged in “a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon.”

But who needs any proof or UN involvement when it's just easier to accuse and attack.

Acquired knowledge cannot be forgotten or bombed out, they'll just build new centrifuges even deeper, so boots on the ground and attempting to create a failed state out of Iran is really the only option. The big question is whether China will allow that to happen, to one if it's largest oil suppliers, can you imagine US standing by if someone attacked Saudis? So i think we all know the answer to that. So drop few bombs call it a PR victory, and everything just continues to how it was before.

Oh, I see, so your argument is that "Iran is not close to develop a weapon" and now you go directly to "Iran does not have a nuclear weapon development programme"?

And according to you, we should trust the Ayatolahs about their pacific intentios on the use of nuclear technology? Is that what you are saying?

So Theran says "oh, no no... we want to destroy Israel, like we say nearly every day, but... no, we will not develop the weapons to do so"?

You must be joking dude.

The IAEA is as good as it gets in terms of (a) knowing (b) being in the terrain (c) as neutral as it gets.

But, and this may be the simplest way of knowing - Iran is negotiating saying clearly that they want to keep their nuclear programe. Iran has several bunkerised facilities - they do not even deny - that do have fisile material and they are denying access for inspection. I would not need any further clues.

So, thank you, but even if there is any doubt about Iran's intentions - and there is not - the safe route is to blast every one of those sites and hopefully also change the government.

So... sorry Da, this is another Ruzzian friend that is going to have its own share of trouble - which is what actually you care about.



Israel is denying access to UN inspectors into their whole country, but i'm sure someone can find justifications for that. If everyone already knows, why do you think Israel and US is lying about Israel having nukes?

Like i told you multiple times, all of this including Ukraine, is all about spheres of influence. Iran is a thorn and US would love nothing more than get a regime that it can control, justifications don't really matter here, but it doesn't look like China will allow that. I'd rather Iran be independent regional power but looks like it's pushed fully right into China's arms.

US urges China to dissuade Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz gets the orange one a short term victory but a h'uuuge strategical mistake for US in long term. EU is fucked as usual with their sanctions lol

Then you should be asking for bombing Israel nuclear facilities - which would be of little use but very risky since they ALREADY have nukes. Are you the only one that does not know that??? Apart, you'd need to find a "volunteer" who can actually do it and get away with it.

On the strait, Iran can TRY to close the strait and face a China that would be the main looser on that. I am not sure if the US is asking China (that is kind of funny) but I am certain China does not need much asking.

Like I told you many times, if you see the world as "spheres of influence" and the people living in the countries have no say, you should not be complaining about the countries "exerting influence".




It's Iran's part of a straight, why can't it only allow civilian tankers going to Asia thru, or are you saying Iran now doesn't have sovereignty over its territorial waters?

I'm not complaining about countries "exerting influence" over their "backyards", it's when they try to expand to the other side of a globe causing proxy wars between nuclear powers is what i have issues with.

In any case, no regime change, ballistic program in tact, Israel Iron dome is shown to have cracks, non existing nuclear weapons destroyed, Netanyahu got to spend few more days out of jail, everyone is a winner. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 23/06/2025, 15:12:17 UTC
news today:

iranian crown prince Reza Pahlavi denounced the nuclear/genocide regime of the 'supreme leader Ayatollah' and so the prince will start a new peaceful regime

the iranian prince does not seek political power himself, but wants to organise a democratic path to peace (national referendum)

initially he simply wants those begrudgingly part of tehrans (supreme leaders) military but want to join/transition to a new regime of peace, they can come over to the princes organisation

there will be a summit of leaders, managers, organisers of politics, businesses and activists that want peace,  to discuss and come up with a plan to transition in a way the iranian people want.

haha did he say it from Washington DC where he lives, and will the summit take place in Tel Aviv?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Iran - Israel War
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DaRude
on 22/06/2025, 22:34:58 UTC
You lot here who think Israel and the US are the cause of these escalations have no idea who is the cause of us being steered towards world war 3. The real powers that be ensured oct 7 happened and ensured Israel had little or no choice but to react and ensure it was beneficial on a personal level for some people to escalate to keep wolves that had been at their door off their back also. Israel was literally given no choice but to go in this direction and President Trump has made a bold and daring decision that could possibly put an end to the powers that be plans to drag the whole world into the abyss by hitting the nuclear facilities and in turn making the ayatollah's decision for him so he can also save face and make peace without any of the hard liners around him anymore because they are out of the picture. Forget about 3D chess because this president is thinking way beyond that and had quite literally put a stumbling block in the plans of the people who were planning WW3 whether you believe it or not. These same people will now try for option B where they can convince the other beligerents to go to war instead of seeing the bigger picture here in how President Trump has in one move given the Ayatollah an easier exit strategy from this provocative nuclear manifesto into one of a prosperous and cooperative future should he act wisely while maintaining his pride and dignity.

Anyone bitching about the president needs a reality check and step outside of their bubble for a moment to understand nothing is as it seems and the president is literally putting the world first at this stage in trying to bring an end to this nuclear program. North Korea et al should all step away from this madness and then the world should completely disarm from nuclear weapons.

Thank you Mr President!

Because Israel lost 1.200 civilians in a terrorist attack, it had no choice but to murder close to 60.000 innocent civilians and more every day, and now US must ask China to keep strait of Hormuz open? Yes we all believe this is exactly what is happening, and if we get few more noob accounts parroting that we'll surely believe it even more! Yes all praise the far thinking orange man, and US disarming from nuclear weapons, just lay off drugs at least before posting.
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 22/06/2025, 21:48:51 UTC
i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
..
those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

 

Again, it does not matter if it is today, tomorrow or in a year. There is a nuclear programme, the intention is to create a nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. There are documents of the IAEA explicitly saying so.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO WAIT ANY MORE TO "CLOSE IT"


Propaganda or cite IAEA report saying Iran's intention is to have nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. In fact Grossi told CNN said that U.N. inspectors did not have proof that Iran was engaged in “a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon.”

But who needs any proof or UN involvement when it's just easier to accuse and attack.

Acquired knowledge cannot be forgotten or bombed out, they'll just build new centrifuges even deeper, so boots on the ground and attempting to create a failed state out of Iran is really the only option. The big question is whether China will allow that to happen, to one if it's largest oil suppliers, can you imagine US standing by if someone attacked Saudis? So i think we all know the answer to that. So drop few bombs call it a PR victory, and everything just continues to how it was before.

Oh, I see, so your argument is that "Iran is not close to develop a weapon" and now you go directly to "Iran does not have a nuclear weapon development programme"?

And according to you, we should trust the Ayatolahs about their pacific intentios on the use of nuclear technology? Is that what you are saying?

So Theran says "oh, no no... we want to destroy Israel, like we say nearly every day, but... no, we will not develop the weapons to do so"?

You must be joking dude.

The IAEA is as good as it gets in terms of (a) knowing (b) being in the terrain (c) as neutral as it gets.

But, and this may be the simplest way of knowing - Iran is negotiating saying clearly that they want to keep their nuclear programe. Iran has several bunkerised facilities - they do not even deny - that do have fisile material and they are denying access for inspection. I would not need any further clues.

So, thank you, but even if there is any doubt about Iran's intentions - and there is not - the safe route is to blast every one of those sites and hopefully also change the government.

So... sorry Da, this is another Ruzzian friend that is going to have its own share of trouble - which is what actually you care about.



Israel is denying access to UN inspectors into their whole country, but i'm sure someone can find justifications for that. If everyone already knows, why do you think Israel is lying about having nukes?

Like i told you multiple times, all of this including Ukraine, is all about spheres of influence. Iran is a thorn and US would love nothing more than get a regime that it can control, justifications don't really matter, but it doesn't look like China will allow that. I'd rather Iran be independent regional power but looks like it's pushed fully right into China's arms.

US urges China to dissuade Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz gets the orange one a short term victory but a h'uuuge strategical mistake for US in long term
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 22/06/2025, 21:07:32 UTC
i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
..
those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

 

Again, it does not matter if it is today, tomorrow or in a year. There is a nuclear programme, the intention is to create a nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. There are documents of the IAEA explicitly saying so.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO WAIT ANY MORE TO "CLOSE IT"


Propaganda or cite IAEA report saying Iran's intention is to have nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. In fact Grossi told CNN said that U.N. inspectors did not have proof that Iran was engaged in “a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon.”

But who needs any proof or UN involvement when it's just easier to accuse and attack.

Acquired knowledge cannot be forgotten or bombed out, they'll just build new centrifuges even deeper, so boots on the ground and attempting to create a failed state out of Iran is really the only option. The big question is whether China will allow that to happen, to one if it's largest oil suppliers, and i think we all know the answer to that. So drop few bombs call it a PR victory, and everything just continues to how it was before.
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 22/06/2025, 15:13:53 UTC
i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
..
those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

 
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 21/06/2025, 02:14:01 UTC

i cant be bothered to correct you every time. if you want to remain ignorant thats on you.. but lets just use the first link as an example
1. it was not a food aid site,
2. the crowds were not peacefully queuing up
3. crowds of thousands ascended on the trucks before they even got to a distribution site
4. isreali troops defending the trucks know hamas try ambush techniques via creating panic with the innocent palestinians to cause them to rush the supplies and become cannon fodder/human shields

1-Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say...More than 200 people were reportedly injured but we all believe random forum member over BBC
2-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
3-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
4-ahh i see Israel forces were just defending the trucks and the civilians driving them. Well, at least technically that's a justification, but then questions of proportionality, protecting civilians from harm, and minimization of civilian casualties under Geneva convention come into play, but i guess IDF don't really care about that document, right?

Almost all the casualties in Gaza in recent days have been linked to the delivery of aid rather than Israeli strikes on Hamas targets.

Surely must be just a coincidence, right  Roll Eyes ? Or wait has Hamas gotten into BBC too  Shocked?

We should all ignore what UNICEF, ICRC, ICC, and mass media reports, and just believe what you/Israel says, essentially just close our eyes at let Israel kill as many civilians in Gaza as they wish because you know...Hamas
1.  both the BBC and reuters links write about it not being at a food aid site (should you read passed the clickbait)
     even hamas admit "The Hamas-run civil defence agency said Israeli troops fired on crowds near the aid site"

the crowds were not just peacefully walking, they came with donkeys hauling trailers, they came with cars and vans .. which got treated not as people just wanting their few day rations as expected, but wanted to take more then each would have fairly been intended to carry

even the BBC link says
"It also said the desperate need for food was causing large crowds to gather along well-known transport routes, hoping to intercept and access humanitarian supplies while in transit."
now how do you expect a interception to occur of a moving truck.. obvious answer, attack the truck

2&3 relevant, because peaceful crowd queuing respectfully at aid site would have got food parcels
       by rushing the trucks before it reached the site causes truck defending troops to fear it being a attack
4. your ignorance ignored the verbal warnings, the warning shots infront but not at civilians.. but when those warnings did not disperse the crowds and thousands continued ascending on the trucks, it escalates things
investigations from both sides admit that civilians were goaded into going to the main road used to deliver aid instead waiting at the destinations distribution site.. goaded by hamas telling thousands that there was only enough food for hundreds. goading then to overwhelm the trucks and take as much as they can carry

.. but let me guess you will just read more gaza propaganda to suggest isreal dont want to send supplies, and instead youll think isreal is stealing(food they sent in) to stop people getting it and so hamas have to lead civilian clans of attacks


anyway back to the topic at hand
high tech expensive weapons of precision were used in iran to take out critical infrastructure and personnel related to nuclear procurement/processing

however years of fighting hamas in gaza has lead to (the analogy of throwing cavemen rocks) of using cheap unsophisticated weapons.. but where isreal has shown clear examples of giving civilians warnings first to give them the time and option to move away from the danger to limit collateral damage
(something many hamas fangirls ignore)

Ahh, well glad you cleared it up, those details surely make all of the difference, and justify killing one, two, five, ten, twenty five, 51 and probably even 100 innocent lives and wounding couple hundred more. Hell, if we could find any kind of a weapon even a kitchen knife on one of them, probably up to a thousand women and children could be mowed down by Israel with such logic and everyone would be totally fine with that in the civilized world. Because when considering genocide, ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, and the proportionally of a military action, the most important thing that everyone should consider is how civil starving victims behaved, and if a warning was given before murdering them all.

Because we shouldn't concentrate on the amount of innocent children killed but what was that those kids to to provoke and leave no choice to ISD but to shoot at them, their parents, and grandparents with a tank.

Can you explain exactly what you mean by limiting collateral damage? That is, what makes collateral damage limited? What would make collateral damage not limited? Would you be able to provide an example of what would make collateral damage excessive? Is there even such simple concept as a disproportionate use of force in Israel, or literally anything goes in Gaza because, you know, Hamas?
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 20/06/2025, 22:01:37 UTC

i cant be bothered to correct you every time. if you want to remain ignorant thats on you.. but lets just use the first link as an example
1. it was not a food aid site,
2. the crowds were not peacefully queuing up
3. crowds of thousands ascended on the trucks before they even got to a distribution site
4. isreali troops defending the trucks know hamas try ambush techniques via creating panic with the innocent palestinians to cause them to rush the supplies and become cannon fodder/human shields

i know you will probably want to crocodile tear and violin play "but what about the malnurished babies" to which i would reply there has been enough baby formula sent into gaza to feed the babies for months. however hamas propaganda told the stories that sending baby formula is a act of genocide as its not fit for adult consumption.. (hamas admitting they think it was not intended for the babies when they steal it and realise it was not adult food for their troops and loyal supporters)

other subtle things to note
in a war torn area, especially since oct 7th 2023. hamas have been foolishly trying to get innocent palestinians to procreate enmasse.
saying that people whom are pregnant will be safe if they stay in hamas guarded area's (aka pregnant women and families with infants become human shields)

hamas then use this as further reason to overtake food shipments before they reach charity distribution sites. to feed their troops and loyal human shields
because hamas say isrealis are not leting hamas take the food so isreal is starving the families which hamas 'look after'

isreal had in 2023-24 dealt with hamas directly, by shooting only those showing violence towards the aid workers. but over the years things escalated, new tactics were employed and things have got worse, hamas using innocent palestinians starvation as a tool to turn people into aggressors

as for the thousands of the rushing crowd ascending on the trucks, remember its thousands of people rushing dozen defending troops. and only 51 were killed not thousands. so dont start using words like massacre or genocide. the aid defending troops gave warnings verbally, then done warning shots (infront, not at) the crowd and when the crowd didnt back down only those showing greatest threat in the escalations got shot

im not applauding the actions of any side, im just exposing greater detail of the context that some purposefully ignore

1-Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say but we all believe random forum member over BBC
2-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
3-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
4-ahh i see Israel forces were just defending the trucks and the civilians driving them. Well. at least technically that's justification, but then questions of proportionality, protecting civilians from harm, and minimization of civilian casualties under Geneva convention come into play, but i guess IDF don't really care about that document, right?

Almost all the casualties in Gaza in recent days have been linked to the delivery of aid rather than Israeli strikes on Hamas targets.

Surely must be just a coincidence right  Roll Eyes ? Or wait has Hamas gotten into BBC too?

We should all ignore what UNICEF, ICRC, ICC, and mass media reports, and just believe what you/Israel says, essentially just close our eyes at Israel killing any number of civilians because you know...Hamas
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Re: Iran - Israel War
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DaRude
on 20/06/2025, 20:39:43 UTC
the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.
Franky, I have so much respect for you. But you are trying to defend evil, which is clear to all. These killings in aid distribution centres have been going on for weeks. If Israel were sincere, it would have devised and implemented other means to distribute these palliatives. Their refusal to change the pattern has continuously resulted in these deaths and injuries. If a strategy is not working why can't you change it? It is clear that they just want to kill innocent people.

seems you are only reading half the story. the half that excludes much context, but oh well.. continue being you

they have changed strategies but hamas simply change with it and cultivate chaos and cause the innocent civilians to become human shields for hamas

i do find it funny how most of the people defending the hamas actions in gaza always used words where they try to suggest only palestinians are hurt, that no hamas troops or rebel gangs were even in the area, even to go as far as avoiding even saying the word hamas as much as possible

i just done a forum search of fiatless name and search term "hamas" and in the last 100 days the only time fiatless used the term hamas is when its not him using the word but a quote of someone else in his post

why are you afraid to say the word hamas and talk about their actions? what are you scared of

I find it funny how if we bring all your arguments to their logical conclusion, they all lead to how the world should sit idly and allow Israel massacre everyone in Gaza and blame Hamas for it. It will bring a dark day for humanity and a terrible precedent if the world allows that.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 20/06/2025, 18:05:38 UTC
Ukraine Changes Law on Dual Citizenship
Today, the government estimates the population has fallen further to about 32 million, with a diaspora of roughly 25 million, according to Reuters.
...
Now in its its fourth year, the war has driven more than 5 million Ukrainians to Europe and claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Great news! Looks like Ukraine is finally preparing for elections, and want diaspora to decide the vote. But you might think, how can they make sure that only "proper" diaspora votes, after all, the largest Ukrainian diaspora with millions live in Russia. Don't worry there's a truly democratic solution to that

The Ukrainian government will come up with a list of countries whose citizens are eligible for dual citizenship with Ukraine.

I am sure that the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, will see nothing wrong with such truly democratic elections Grin

I can't decide which quote is more appropriate here "All Animals Are Equal but Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others" or "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."


Waiting for paxmao to come with "democratic" explanation.

3...2....1...

I find so cute that all the sudden you care about Democracy that I am going to cry.

There is no explanation, there is a war. Stop the war, go back to Ruzzia, pay reparations, return the children and renounce to violence as a means of solving a conflict, they you will have deserved some explanation. While you consider bombing Ukranian cities as part of any solution, any "explanation" will be lost on you.

"There is no explanation...any "explanation" will be lost on you." those are mutually exclusive, so which one is it? It's not so much me caring about Democracy in Ukraine (lol) but just underlining the double standards and hypocrisy in the EU's application of rules and standards. They close their eyes on this but somehow we're supposed to believe what they have to say about elections in Belarus or Russia?

"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law"
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Re: Iran - Israel War
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DaRude
on 20/06/2025, 17:34:57 UTC
@franky1, you know that there were better ways to distribute aid in Gaza with fewer casualties. Creating more distribution centres will depopulate these areas and make the distribution easier.  It would also help the Israeli military to protect itself against attack since it can have a clearer view in monitoring the areas.  

you are partially right there are many other methods of distribution.. but this is hindered by the hamas crap

But because the IDF and its local armed militia want to kill innocent people, they centralized the aid distribution. Their intention is to increase the chances of chaos and anarchy so that they will use the opportunity to kill innocent people. Several neutral NGOs are willing to join this aid coordination and distribution, but Israel stopped them from working because it wants to spill more innocent blood.

wow you really are sniffing the iran funded propaganda leaflet glue.. have you ever dug deeper for the context and details of each incident involving the distribution sites of food/aid

the intention is not to kill innocent people unprovoked.. the intention is that because isreali defense get attacked by hamas the deeper into gaza(philistinia(palestine)) they go, they instead are forced to set up aid distributions closer to the border entry.

isreal send in more then enough food, currently the amount they sent in during spring was enough to cover 10 months if fairly distributed.

but because hamas keep trying to take multiple months of supplies in a one day attack, limits what isreal can do long term, safely. especially in regards to allowing civilian aid workers(UN volunteers) in the area. yep hamas kill aid workers so allowing civilian aid workers(UN) has been declined/withdrawn until the hamas threat is neutralised

and before you sniff the propaganda glue any more..
the propaganda is probably telling you that isreali's are the ones looting the food. reality is hamas are the looters and hoarders and aid worker killers
if isreal were to want to starve the civilians, they simply would just not turn up. not bother entering the area.
the isrealis are the aid suppliers so no need to loot their own stock.
if isreal wanted to kill aid workers they could just do that outside the border

isreal send in enough supplies for months and hope for peaceful queues of daily/weekly rations distribution. not 'rushes' of crowds, nor hamas trying to take multiple months of supplies in one day
hamas's aims are to steal months of supplies, give the good stuff to troops as payment for loyalty and sell the remaining leftovers at 3-15x market rate, for profit

hamas cause panic. they tell civilians to rush the distribution sites by telling civilians there is not enough food, to get people to panic and rush the sites and grab what they can. this is called cannon fodder. hamas using and abusing the civilians as human shields, by creating chaos to cause isreali defense to push back, do warning shots and then escalate to injury and death when the civilians get goaded into pushing forward by hamas hiding amungst the civilians, where the civilians dont listen to the isreali warnings and dont calm down and back off

the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.



Over 50.000 civilians killed, Hamas's fault
All Gaza hospitals bombed by Israel, Hamas's fault
Israeli tank shellfire killed at least 51 Palestinians as they awaited aid trucks, because of Hamas
UNICEF also reported a 50% increase in children aged six months to 5 years admitted for treatment of malnutrition from April to May in Gaza, and half a million people going hungry., Hamas eats food
"Children will begin to die of thirst ... Just 40% of drinking water production facilities remain functional," UNICEF spokesperson James Elder told reporters in Geneva., Hamas drinks water

I wonder at what point these excuses become laughable, and if anyone still believes that Israel should not be held accountable for any of these actions? It's like saying until Hamas gather in one isolated spot to be destroyed Israel will continue wiping out Gasa, because you know Hamas will be hiding among the population.
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Re: Iran - Israel War
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DaRude
on 20/06/2025, 02:36:34 UTC
As of 22 March 2025, 15.613 children, 8.304 women and 3.839 elderly Palestinians were killed
so you're saying that these were actually intended targets of Israel's precision missiles?  Undecided or is this what's considered "limited" collateral damage with precision missiles now? What's the ratio of Israel's precision weapons fired to collateral damage of just women, children and elderly (not even counting 22.265 of innocent men)? And how does it compare to other conflicts. Hint: don't look up answers to scary questions if you don't want to loose faith in humanity.

seems you admit to only seeking picky answers that dont offend your opinions, rather than seeking the crucial details which may sway your views

so atleast realise that isreal used its expensive technologically advanced weapons on key targets in iran because those targets are worth the price to strike. EG taking out the nuclear regime is a price worth paying multiple millions for

however the hamas crap happening in gaza(philistine(palestine)) is where isreal take cheap shots at hamas, but more collateral damage risk is implied
isreal actually do send warnings prior to strikes on hamas. warning residents to evacuate the area designated as a target site of hamas occupation..
hamas are the ones that threaten residents not to leave. hamas want human shields in an attempt to hope isreal wont strike hamas. hamas want collateral damage so they can propagandise that isreal are intentionally striking innocents

its hamas that are the targets and isreal send warnings before the attack.
hamas claim that evacuating is a form of genocide.. when obviously evacuating is a form of seeking safety

isreal have offered peace deals, hamas decline.
isreal have sent supplies to last palestinians until atleast october.. hama stole and hoard it
isreal have sent more supplies and defending the supplies. when thousands of people come running up(deservedly so as they are hungry and fear waiting in line will result in not everyone being fed) the defense teams of the isreal supplies first give warnings ot approach peacefully, but then when people do continue running in their thousands. warning shots are then fired infront of the oncoming crowds. and then when that didnt work yes some were shot

my personal view of those innocents fired upon in recent aid distribution centres is that the supplies should just be dropped off and spread out as heaps of supplies on the ground and defense teams just step back and lets the crowds self govern taking what they can carry,

however because that has been tried and it ended up that some of the people in the crowds were hamas that wanted to kill the aid workers and defense teams
(much like peaceful protests in america end up having a few radical anarchists that just want to throw bricks and molotov cocktails at us authorities)
and where hamas then steal the food to hoard(but not for palestinians) the new response to crowds running at aid suppliers is to warn oncoming growds to act peacefully but be determined to warn that any escalation would be treated as a threat to the aid/defense teams.

if hamas were not cowards, hiding amongst residents and instead sending all hamas troops to some empty area battlefield like real soldiers. the collateral damage would be minimised

I'm giving you a benefit of a doubt that you're not just pushing propaganda. Let me explain why everything that you said doesn't really matter and is just an attempt at rationalizing Israel's actions. It's a silly attempt at a "no loose" argument, giving Israel a carte blanche justification to massacre as many innocent people as they wish. Surely you'll see how that is not acceptable in a civilized world.

I found a good way to test is to see if someone could make the same argument trying to justify Israel killing obnoxious amount of civilians, lets say a million innocent people in a hypothetical.

Would it matter if Israel used expensive technologically if the end result is one million collateral damage?
Would it matter if Israel sent warnings prior to attacks leading to a million civilian deaths?
Would it matter what Hamas does if it's Israel actions that lead to a million innocent deaths?
Would it matter if Israel offered peace deals before it caused million deaths?
Would it matter if Israel fed everyone single one of them, bought them TVs, gave them massages etc etc etc before killing a million non combatants?

One must see how non of these would be considered viable justifications, and sponsoring those actions would make one complicit. Bottom line is collective punishment is illegal under international humanitarian law, any serious argument must not only reason why Israel actions are valid but also provide a threshold at what point Israel action would cross a line and should be considered collective punishment? Saying Israel can cause any amount of innocent deaths as long as Israel performs something before that, is simply not acceptable.
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Re: Iran - Israel War
by
DaRude
on 19/06/2025, 19:49:28 UTC
Interestingly, Iranians are on the whole quite a bit more intelligent than Israelis, not to mention a lot more mentally tough.

  https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

This helps explain why Iran chose a much smarter strategy of creating and building in volume weapons which do not require high degrees of technical support on an ongoing basis as do aircraft, and instead developed missiles which outclassed the enemies' defensive systems and safely (and cheaply) stockpiled them.

so you think that it makes iran smart to use non-precise weapons, but with bigger blast power.. over isreals precision missiles that aim for intended target and limit collateral damage

analogy
well if you have modern man with a modern gun that shoots someone in the leg to stop them from progressing.. but it cost $500
vs
a cave man that picks up a few rocks and throws them at someone, where some hit kevlar vest and bounce off, no harm. and some hit the skull killing them.. and its free

does not mean the cave man is more intelligent because he stockpiles rocks

As of 22 March 2025, 15.613 children, 8.304 women and 3.839 elderly Palestinians were killed
so you're saying that these were actually intended targets of Isrel's precision missiles?  Undecided or this is what considered limited collateral damage with precision missiles now? What's the ratio of Israel's precision weapons fired to collateral damage, and how does it compare to other conflicts. Hint: don't look it up answers to scary questions unless you want to loose faith in humanity.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 19/06/2025, 18:27:56 UTC
Ukraine Changes Law on Dual Citizenship
Ukraine Changes Law on Dual Citizenship
Today, the government estimates the population has fallen further to about 32 million, with a diaspora of roughly 25 million, according to Reuters.
...
Now in its its fourth year, the war has driven more than 5 million Ukrainians to Europe and claimed tens of thousands of lives.

Great news! Looks like Ukraine is finally preparing for elections, and want diaspora to decide the vote. But you might think, how can they make sure that only "proper" diaspora votes, after all the largest Ukrainian diaspora with millions live in Russia. Don't worry there's a truly democratic solution to that

The Ukrainian government will come up with a list of countries whose citizens are eligible for dual citizenship with Ukraine.

I am sure that the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, will see no problem at all with such democratic elections Grin

I can't decide which one is more appropriate here "All Animals Are Equal but Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others" or "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 18/06/2025, 22:37:03 UTC

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Yeah, Branko. Don't be so jealous. Why would you want to be jealous of paxmao, anyway? Give the poor fellow a chance to hide in his imagination from the fear that Russia is producing in him. Grin

I mean, that's all he has. Show some consideration for the poor joker.

Cool

For the record, I am not poor.

A wealthy joker is still a joker.

Consider the war in Yandex - https://yandex.com/search/?text=ukraine+war&lr=21121&search_source=yacom_desktop_common

Cool

Why would I? I think that there is plenty of Ruzzian version everywhere. I guess that is the price to pay for having media that allows pretty much anyone to post pretty much anything.

The front is pretty much stalled, the Ruzzia economy is holding - but also degrading, but what I find interesting is that Ruzzia's effort in Ukraine has lost them Syria and the naval base they had and now may perfectly loose them their uber-friendly Ayatollahs.

According to the report, Moscow's armed forces are currently frequently capturing 15 to 20 kilometers of Ukrainian territory per day, advancing ever further westward and have even partially broken into Ukraine's makeshift fourth line of defense, often constructed only with barbed wire. In addition to the five oblasts (Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia and Kherson), which are already largely occupied, Moscow is trying to conquer three more regions: Sumy, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk.

But i'm sure everyone believes you more without any citations at all. Plus the more you repeat that fake news the "realer" it becomes and hey maybe you'll get few more souls for busification. Just for the reference how fast should the front be moving a per day for you to admit that it's not stalled? Or any speed outside of Kiev in 3 days is stalled for you?

But I do agree that it looks like Trump is trading Iran for Ukraine. Whether that's a good trade for both sides time shall tell. And if US gets Iran, China will take Taiwan. Times change, the wars stay the same...

I was wondering why Zelenskyy: Russia planning further attacks on energy sector, including nuclear generation but now we're about to see a precedent set of how it's fine to attack nuclear sites, and they'll probably sell it by saying a bit of radiation would be even good for people, and after Trump didn't meet Z at G7 and was sazying that it was a bad idea to exclude Russia from G8 it's probably the last thing Zelesnkyy needs right now
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 14/06/2025, 16:56:12 UTC
Record rate... meaning 100 meters a week instead of 200....



You see, there are many cherries out there, let me get you some sour ones:

https://talkbusiness.net/2025/06/eia-crude-oil-prices-to-fall-as-global-inventories-rise/

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The production reached a record high of 13.5 million barrels per day in the second quarter of 2025. The production is projected to fall through the end of 2026 as oil producers respond to lower prices.

I guess Ruzzia will have to sell something else to finance the war. Maybe they should be looking into Ruzzia Porn as alternative to oil?

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/european-commission-unveils-18th-package-russia-sanctions-aimed-energy-military-2025-06-10/
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EU's new Russia sanctions to target energy sector and banks

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-wants-to-cut-russian-oil-price-cap-to-45-in-latest-sanctions-package/

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EU wants to cut Russian oil price cap to $45 in latest sanctions package
EU officials hope to strike

And what do you think? There may be a link here with the recruiting capabilities and the oil prices. Perhaps Ruzzia will close the schools to pay for the military?



Yes, sanction package number 138,245 after three+ years will surely definitely work this time, totally, just hang in there! Got any more hope to sell? What about the next sanction package, I'm sure it'll work even better, and then the next, and then the one after that... Do you think there are any 18yr old Ukrainians that would believe that, to willingly go to busification? As already discussed, each iteration of sanctions hurt Russia less than the previous one, and Europe more and more by definition. All the low hanging fruits have already been collected.

Screw the fundamentals that China cannot let Russia fail financially, and India cannot let China have access to cheap resources from Russia without India getting the same, right?

See... conviniently ignoring the price of oil and the new maximum set. Mmm... delicious cherries...

I think that Ukrainias who want to keep being Ukrainians instead of suffering the usual filtration, cultural assimilation, gulag punishments and then being force to serve in the Ruzzian army in their next war may decide that it is better to fight now instead of being force to fight anyway for Ruzzians instead of for themselves. But I guess your question could be easily solved by looking at the fact that the Ukrainian army is still fighting Ruzzia.

China can perfectly let PUTIN fall and in fact it would probably be to their benefit to have someone more friendly and with less imperialistic needs.

*yawn* this is not the first oil ceiling, we've been through this before, remember how well that worked the first time, that now they need another ceiling? But I'm sure you'll tell us how this time is totally different and that this one will definitely 100% work right? And then how the next ceiling will work even better, if there will still be any manpower left in Ukraine by then.

...
Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.
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Ukrainians were totally fine in 2013, it's after the cookies arrived, that their lives turned into living hell, and the ones who sent the cookies now want Ukrainians to fight it out a bit more.

Again going for improbable to sell hope, sure i guess technically China can let Putin fall (just as the mouse can technically win against the cat), China can also be waiting for a perfect timing to take back Taiwan (cat can win against the mouse), now we all know which one is more likely.

What were you saying about price of oil and "new" maximum set? Your posts don't age well even just after few days

US Opposes European Push to Lower G-7 Price Cap on Russian Oil -Bloomberg well, now we know why. But EU should totally shoot itself in a foot and do it one sided, just in case Iran and Yemen close Hormuz and Bab-el-Mandeb straits to make sure that Europe will be completely fucked.

We see that the old cliche that if you want to draw attention away from something, just start a war in the middle east, holds as true as ever. Now we see where air defenses were rerouted to, think we all know who'll take priority in air defense deliveries between Ukraine and Israel. I'd say risks for Taiwan just went up exponentially as there's just not enough air defense to go around.

What do I think...that your post is the usual cherry-picking not only the news, but also the effects of the news.

The re-routed air defences were anti-drone missiles, but it's been said that some artillery shellls are too and it would not suprise me that some other stuff is re-routed. That is bad for Ukraine.

However, Iran has been handing all short of war material to Ruzzia. But... now they have a war of their own. SO, Iran, who is a major supplier of Shaheeds, components and other stuff to Ruzzia seems like needing to use all they have and probably all they can produce to use in a war with Israel.

See, that is a balanced approach - cherryless approach.

And now... I would like to introduce you to Ukraine locally produce balistic missile. You will know more about as it begins to hit where it hurts. Speaking of which, another chemical plant related to oil industries has been "sanctioned". I reckon this type of "sanction" is much quicker and effective than the European ones.

https://united24media.com/latest-news/bigger-than-atacms-ukraines-cutting-edge-ballistic-missile-reportedly-enters-combat-use-9013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Os3TzJrrY

See? THIS is when you do not have enough air defence for the size of your country.



You claim that Russia is barely making any progress, i provide WSJ article saying that Russia progressed in May the fastest since 2022, you say i pick cherries.

You claim "There may be a link here with the recruiting capabilities and the oil prices." and "See... conviniently ignoring the price of oil and the new maximum set. Mmm... delicious cherries..." i provide Bloomberg article saying that ceiling is not set and that US is against it.

You claim "Ukraine was perfectly fine until the "little green men" took Crimean" i retort saying that's just a lie and that Russia always had troops in Crimea before 2014 and everyone coexisted just fine "The treaty allowed Russia to station a limited number of troops in Crimea, 25,000 maximum."

You talk about foreign intervention in Ukraine, but refuse to admit that US third highest politician literally giving out cookies and supporting coup d'etat of a democratically elected leader with less than a year before the end of his term, and saying Fuck the EU, is a textbook example of foreign intervention.

You claim Ukraine was successful in re-taking bits of Summy i provide a map from the western source, that you yourself used when Ukraine was suiciding itself in Kursk, asking to point out where this re-taking is happening, which you totally ignore.

And in the latest post you try to compare the weapons Iran was sending to Ukraine with the weapons US was sending to Ukraine? As if they canceling each other out calling it a "balanced approach - cherryless approach"

Then you talk about another miracle wunderwaffe "locally produce balistic missile" which I'm guessing Ukraine has to even import "Made in Ukraine" sticker for because it can't even make that itself. But once the sticker "Made in Ukraine" is applied to the missile thats what makes the whole missile "locally produced".

But hey, don't give up, keep on calling things cherrypicking and providing low effort word pasta/bot responses in hopes of finding more younger souls to send to the front lines, knowing pretty well that the outcome has already been decided.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 14/06/2025, 06:53:37 UTC
Record rate... meaning 100 meters a week instead of 200....



You see, there are many cherries out there, let me get you some sour ones:

https://talkbusiness.net/2025/06/eia-crude-oil-prices-to-fall-as-global-inventories-rise/

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The production reached a record high of 13.5 million barrels per day in the second quarter of 2025. The production is projected to fall through the end of 2026 as oil producers respond to lower prices.

I guess Ruzzia will have to sell something else to finance the war. Maybe they should be looking into Ruzzia Porn as alternative to oil?

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/european-commission-unveils-18th-package-russia-sanctions-aimed-energy-military-2025-06-10/
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EU's new Russia sanctions to target energy sector and banks

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-wants-to-cut-russian-oil-price-cap-to-45-in-latest-sanctions-package/

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EU wants to cut Russian oil price cap to $45 in latest sanctions package
EU officials hope to strike

And what do you think? There may be a link here with the recruiting capabilities and the oil prices. Perhaps Ruzzia will close the schools to pay for the military?



Yes, sanction package number 138,245 after three+ years will surely definitely work this time, totally, just hang in there! Got any more hope to sell? What about the next sanction package, I'm sure it'll work even better, and then the next, and then the one after that... Do you think there are any 18yr old Ukrainians that would believe that, to willingly go to busification? As already discussed, each iteration of sanctions hurt Russia less than the previous one, and Europe more and more by definition. All the low hanging fruits have already been collected.

Screw the fundamentals that China cannot let Russia fail financially, and India cannot let China have access to cheap resources from Russia without India getting the same, right?

See... conviniently ignoring the price of oil and the new maximum set. Mmm... delicious cherries...

I think that Ukrainias who want to keep being Ukrainians instead of suffering the usual filtration, cultural assimilation, gulag punishments and then being force to serve in the Ruzzian army in their next war may decide that it is better to fight now instead of being force to fight anyway for Ruzzians instead of for themselves. But I guess your question could be easily solved by looking at the fact that the Ukrainian army is still fighting Ruzzia.

China can perfectly let PUTIN fall and in fact it would probably be to their benefit to have someone more friendly and with less imperialistic needs.

*yawn* this is not the first oil ceiling, we've been through this before, remember how well that worked the first time, that now they need another ceiling? But I'm sure you'll tell us how this time is totally different and that this one will definitely 100% work right? And then how the next ceiling will work even better, if there will still be any manpower left in Ukraine by then.

...
Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.
...

Ukrainians were totally fine in 2013, it's after the cookies arrived, that their lives turned into living hell, and the ones who sent the cookies now want Ukrainians to fight it out a bit more.

Again going for improbable to sell hope, sure i guess technically China can let Putin fall (just as the mouse can technically win against the cat), China can also be waiting for a perfect timing to take back Taiwan (cat can win against the mouse), now we all know which one is more likely.

What were you saying about price of oil and "new" maximum set? Your posts don't age well even just after few days

US Opposes European Push to Lower G-7 Price Cap on Russian Oil -Bloomberg well, now we know why. But EU should totally shoot itself in a foot and do it one sided, just in case Iran and Yemen close Hormuz and Bab-el-Mandeb straits to make sure that Europe will be completely fucked.

We see that the old cliche that if you want to draw attention away from something, just start a war in the middle east, holds as true as ever. Now we see where air defenses were rerouted to, think we all know who'll take priority in air defense deliveries between Ukraine and Israel. I'd say risks for Taiwan just went up exponentially as there's just not enough air defense to go around.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 12/06/2025, 14:42:55 UTC
Record rate... meaning 100 meters a week instead of 200....



You see, there are many cherries out there, let me get you some sour ones:

https://talkbusiness.net/2025/06/eia-crude-oil-prices-to-fall-as-global-inventories-rise/

Quote
The production reached a record high of 13.5 million barrels per day in the second quarter of 2025. The production is projected to fall through the end of 2026 as oil producers respond to lower prices.

I guess Ruzzia will have to sell something else to finance the war. Maybe they should be looking into Ruzzia Porn as alternative to oil?

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/european-commission-unveils-18th-package-russia-sanctions-aimed-energy-military-2025-06-10/
Quote
EU's new Russia sanctions to target energy sector and banks

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-wants-to-cut-russian-oil-price-cap-to-45-in-latest-sanctions-package/

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EU wants to cut Russian oil price cap to $45 in latest sanctions package
EU officials hope to strike

And what do you think? There may be a link here with the recruiting capabilities and the oil prices. Perhaps Ruzzia will close the schools to pay for the military?



Yes, sanction package number 138,245 after three+ years will surely definitely work this time, totally, just hang in there! Got any more hope to sell? What about the next sanction package, I'm sure it'll work even better, and then the next, and then the one after that... Do you think there are any 18yr old Ukrainians that would believe that, to willingly go to busification? As already discussed, each iteration of sanctions hurt Russia less than the previous one, and Europe more and more by definition. All the low hanging fruits have already been collected.

Screw the fundamentals that China cannot let Russia fail financially, and India cannot let China have access to cheap resources from Russia without India getting the same, right?

See... conviniently ignoring the price of oil and the new maximum set. Mmm... delicious cherries...

I think that Ukrainias who want to keep being Ukrainians instead of suffering the usual filtration, cultural assimilation, gulag punishments and then being force to serve in the Ruzzian army in their next war may decide that it is better to fight now instead of being force to fight anyway for Ruzzians instead of for themselves. But I guess your question could be easily solved by looking at the fact that the Ukrainian army is still fighting Ruzzia.

China can perfectly let PUTIN fall and in fact it would probably be to their benefit to have someone more friendly and with less imperialistic needs.

*yawn* this is not the first oil ceiling, we've been through this before, remember how well that worked the first time, that now they need another ceiling? But I'm sure you'll tell us how this time is totally different and that this one will definitely 100% work right? And then how the next ceiling will work even better, if there will still be any manpower left in Ukraine by then.

...
Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.
...

Ukrainians were totally fine in 2013, it's after the cookies arrived, that their lives turned into living hell, and the ones who sent the cookies now want Ukrainians to fight it out a bit more.

Again going for improbable to sell hope, sure i guess technically China can let Putin fall (just as the mouse can technically win against the cat), China can also be waiting for a perfect timing to take back Taiwan (cat can win against the mouse), now we all know which one is more likely.

Ukraine was perfectly fine until the "little green men" took Crimean and Putin sent two army corps into the Donbas - never recognised.

As you can see, there is a fully funtional army, evolving every day in lethality and cause much more harm to Ruzzia's economy than ever - that does not happen because anyone is giving them "cookies".

You are obsesed with foreign intervention in Ukraine, while at the same time do not recognise Ruzzian influence as being actually foreign interference. Again and as usual... double standards, imperialism, "god-given" right to Ruzzia, the logic of imposing by force... THAT is why there's a war in Ukraine.

Here, have this, you need it.



Now, it seems that Ukraine was successful in re-taking bits of Summy that had been occupied. Who knows, maybe they decide that it is safer to go a bit into Ruzzia again, just for precaution you know.


Nice try, only little green men were always in Crimea and in 2013 no one cared and everything was just fine in Ukraine and EU was prospering. Now care to guess again what desert started this hell for Ukrainians?

Yes great idea, propagandists need another PR victory so start building up pressure on UA military to pull troops from Dnipropetrovsk and start another great suicide military operation into Russia for PR, you know because the last one turned out so great. Why did you stop publishing the maps of the last one again?



Can you point to where those bits that UA is retaking in Summy are on the map? Because i'm having trouble finding them.


Billions of dollars, all of NATO's resources and intelligence, and all Ukraine has to show for it is look how slow we're loosing? Solid plan. Russian forces ate into more Ukrainian territory in May than in almost any month since the end of 2022 -WSJ

By definition both are foreign interference, it's just Ukrainians were mislead to believe that one is much better and comes with tasty cookies, now Ukrainians find out that the cookies must be paid for in blood.

German Chancellor rejects Social Democratic Party's calls for restoring relations with Russia
Speaking at a press conference in Berlin on Wednesday, Merz responded to calls from certain SPD figures for diplomatic rapprochement with Russia and an end to Germany’s arms policy. He emphasised that the coalition remains united on these matters.
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A document titled "Manifesto," signed by over 100 SPD-associated figures, has sparked significant controversy in Germany. It advocates for a shift in security and defence policy, including negotiations with Russia and halting the deployment of new US medium-range missiles in Germany.

So lets see who in Germany wants to restore relations with Russia. First AfD on the left with about 23%, then BSW on the right with 4%, and now cracks in SPD center with 15%
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
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DaRude
on 11/06/2025, 20:43:23 UTC
Record rate... meaning 100 meters a week instead of 200....



You see, there are many cherries out there, let me get you some sour ones:

https://talkbusiness.net/2025/06/eia-crude-oil-prices-to-fall-as-global-inventories-rise/

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The production reached a record high of 13.5 million barrels per day in the second quarter of 2025. The production is projected to fall through the end of 2026 as oil producers respond to lower prices.

I guess Ruzzia will have to sell something else to finance the war. Maybe they should be looking into Ruzzia Porn as alternative to oil?

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/european-commission-unveils-18th-package-russia-sanctions-aimed-energy-military-2025-06-10/
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EU's new Russia sanctions to target energy sector and banks

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-wants-to-cut-russian-oil-price-cap-to-45-in-latest-sanctions-package/

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EU wants to cut Russian oil price cap to $45 in latest sanctions package
EU officials hope to strike

And what do you think? There may be a link here with the recruiting capabilities and the oil prices. Perhaps Ruzzia will close the schools to pay for the military?



Yes, sanction package number 138,245 after three+ years will surely definitely work this time, totally, just hang in there! Got any more hope to sell? What about the next sanction package, I'm sure it'll work even better, and then the next, and then the one after that... Do you think there are any 18yr old Ukrainians that would believe that, to willingly go to busification? As already discussed, each iteration of sanctions hurt Russia less than the previous one, and Europe more and more by definition. All the low hanging fruits have already been collected.

Screw the fundamentals that China cannot let Russia fail financially, and India cannot let China have access to cheap resources from Russia without India getting the same, right?

See... conviniently ignoring the price of oil and the new maximum set. Mmm... delicious cherries...

I think that Ukrainias who want to keep being Ukrainians instead of suffering the usual filtration, cultural assimilation, gulag punishments and then being force to serve in the Ruzzian army in their next war may decide that it is better to fight now instead of being force to fight anyway for Ruzzians instead of for themselves. But I guess your question could be easily solved by looking at the fact that the Ukrainian army is still fighting Ruzzia.

China can perfectly let PUTIN fall and in fact it would probably be to their benefit to have someone more friendly and with less imperialistic needs.

*yawn* this is not the first oil ceiling, we've been through this before, remember how well that worked the first time, that now they need another ceiling? But I'm sure you'll tell us how this time is totally different and that this one will definitely 100% work right? And then how the next ceiling will work even better, if there will still be any manpower left in Ukraine by then.

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Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports

Russia has succeeded in avoiding G7 sanctions on most of its oil exports, a shift in trade flows that will boost the Kremlin’s revenues as crude rises towards $100 a barrel.

Almost three-quarters of all seaborne Russian crude flows travelled without western insurance in August, a lever used to enforce the G7’s $60-a-barrel oil price cap, according to an analysis of shipping and insurance records by the Financial Times.

That is up from about 50 per cent this spring, according to data from freight analytics company Kpler and insurance companies. The rise implies that Moscow is becoming more adept at circumventing the cap, allowing it to sell more of its oil at prices closer to international market rates.

The Kyiv School of Economics (KSE) has estimated that the steady increase in crude prices since July, combined with Russia’s success in reducing the discount on its own oil, means that the country’s oil revenues are likely to be at least $15bn higher for 2023 than they would have been.

The shift is a double blow for western efforts to restrict Russia’s revenues from oil sales — which make up the biggest part of the Kremlin’s budget — following its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not only is a higher proportion of Russian oil being sold outside the cap, but Moscow’s increasing independence as a seller has coincided with a strong rally in oil prices, which topped $95 a barrel for the first time in 13 months this week.
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Ukrainians were totally fine in 2013, it's after the cookies arrived, that their lives turned into living hell, and the ones who sent the cookies now want Ukrainians to fight it out a bit more.

Again going for improbable to sell hope, sure i guess technically China can let Putin fall (just as the mouse can technically win against the cat), China can also be waiting for a perfect timing to take back Taiwan, now we all know which one is more likely.
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]
by
DaRude
on 11/06/2025, 16:01:23 UTC
More of a porcupine than a mouse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W3VjSMJnD4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YasfiefSG6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKXNjez4z7g

Nope, this is not a mouse... is more of a wildboar or a porcupine. The first one of this animals was frequently hunted by the nobility in the past. But it is not unknown to have killed a king from time to time. I hope Putin, so well versed in history and maps, understands the key takeaways of this metaphor.

As for the porcupine, they have teeth and you really do not want to bite them for obvious reasons.

A mouse that a cat is playing with gets a bite in, once in a while.

Cool

It only takes one bite - precisely in the balls.

You know that's actually a good allegory. Only, hundreds thousands of Ukrainian lives were bet on a chance that the mouse will defeat the cat by biting the cat in the balls. Of course instead now we see the mouse being slowly torn apart limb by limb, we find one organizer is loosing interest and saying just to let them fight it out for a bit longer, and the other organizers were just in it to piss off the cat, so they just continue to encourage the mouse. I can understand all of the rolls except for Ukraine, how leadership can volunteer so many souls for such unlikely outcome?

Allies won't impose new sanctions on Russia because of Ukraine's refusal to mobilize at age 18, Zelensky says
Ukraine's Western allies are not imposing new sanctions on Russia in part because of Kyiv's refusal to lower the mobilization age to 18, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview with Valasz Online published on June 10.

With the start of the full-scale invasion, Ukraine updated its mobilization legislation and lowered the minimum age for compulsory military service from 27 to 25.

Yet, some partners, including the U.S., still criticize Kyiv for setting the age threshold too high.
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Personnel shortages have dogged Ukraine throughout its fight against Russia. Although Ukraine adopted a major bill reforming the draft in April, mobilization slowed down in autumn, leaving front-line units depleted.

Russian forces significantly outnumber Ukrainian units and have been able to advance at record rates in eastern Ukraine while absorbing heavy losses.

And that's from Kyiv Independent, so you can imagine what the real situation is Shocked

With such allies, who needs enemies.

Better get to work and come up (make up) better reasons against negotiations, curators are now asking you to gather younger 18yr old souls for busification (the mouse still has one tooth left so technically there's still a tiny chance that it can bite the cat in the balls, use that to sell hope)

Record rate... meaning 100 meters a week instead of 200....



You see, there are many cherries out there, let me get you some sour ones:

https://talkbusiness.net/2025/06/eia-crude-oil-prices-to-fall-as-global-inventories-rise/

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The production reached a record high of 13.5 million barrels per day in the second quarter of 2025. The production is projected to fall through the end of 2026 as oil producers respond to lower prices.

I guess Ruzzia will have to sell something else to finance the war. Maybe they should be looking into Ruzzia Porn as alternative to oil?

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/european-commission-unveils-18th-package-russia-sanctions-aimed-energy-military-2025-06-10/
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EU's new Russia sanctions to target energy sector and banks

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-wants-to-cut-russian-oil-price-cap-to-45-in-latest-sanctions-package/

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EU wants to cut Russian oil price cap to $45 in latest sanctions package
EU officials hope to strike

And what do you think? There may be a link here with the recruiting capabilities and the oil prices. Perhaps Ruzzia will close the schools to pay for the military?



Yes sanction package number 138,245 after three years surely will definitely work this time! We all believe, right?