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Escrow?
Sure. We can set that up. Just need to know how you would be paying. Do you need any additional information? How many would you be interested in?
peace and joy,
Vonnie
How about full escrow with DannyHamilton and I pay upfront and its held in an escrow until 11 months are up? This eliminates risk on both sides.
Alternatively, how about you ship them to me, I'll set them up to ensure they're working and then escrow will be released.
If no, please explain why these options are not feasible.
The whole purpose of the liquidation is so that we can invest in some projects that will stimulate the bitcoin economy, and an 11 month escrow defeats that purpose, not to mention the volatility in the BTC price if you use BTC. The owner is an attorney and he invested his own capital in these units, but after Inside Bitcoin London, we both got the big picture, and we want to do more that will help the whole system thrive. We are hiring developers to do awesome things!
Hashplex can provide information on the unit's function, if you tell me what indicators you are looking for. Shipping them to you is not practical because they are already plugged in and running with prepaid hosting for a year. The selling point here is that they are available, there is no shipping, no waiting, no set up.
Please let me know if you have any other questions. In fairness to my transparency, may I request how many you are interested in? And would you pay with cash or BTC? We can take that portion of the discussion off-forum if you like.
Peace and joy,
Vonnie
I'm interested in the big picture that you and your lawyer boss CEO are funding by selling these Spondoolies rather than the Spondoolies themselves. Can you elaborate on this point?
I would assume that someone who could drop $600k+ on mining equipment can probably fund his or her own ventures as well, so you coming on here to sell based on a "retail price" is a bit absurd. We are not attacking you or your lawyer boss CEO personally; we are all about money, and money has no feelings except for the desire to procreate. Obviously the lawyer boss CEO is not looking for the slow stream of income from the current mining landscape, so you are going to need to bring it down to the market value, which is roughly the present day value of mining calculated at $0.10/kwh assuming (1) minimal BTC price growth, (2) 10% cumulative monthly decreases in mining revenue due to difficulty increases, and (3) salvage value. Your host is charging you $0.133/kwh, which is already higher than a lot of us have access to.
Somebody make an offer!
Re: [for sale] In stock SP 10 miners, 1450 gh, 0.8 w/gh (15 units)
what would be your offers for 15 sp10 units hosted at Grant County, WA? Please post here
What are the terms of the hosting agreement? E.g. how long is the contract, hosting rate per kw, cost to transfer ownership, cost for hosting center to pack up and ship out the miners at end of life/contract? I can't really calculate a price without that information. PM me if you can't make this information public by the terms of your agreement with the hosting center. When it comes to these data center costs, sometimes a Spondooly in the hand is worth two Spondoolies in the bush.
My ambivalent temperature is 22 C. Here is the actual temperature (F, which is about 42 C):
What's an "ambivalent temperature"?
I think he meant ambient temperature. You know, "room temperature".
I read about Centerus, your hosting provider. They require a 1kw minimum. How many do you have there, and how many are you willing to sell? How much time left do you have on your contract with them? I'm going to assume the end of October. I was interested in the transfer of ownership, but that 1kw minimum isn't going to work for 1 S3. Have you contacted Centerus to see what their policy is regarding shipping your equipment out?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=830689.0
^ There is a guy in Chicago Selling 2 SP10s for $700 each. Maybe PM him? You guys are only $100 off and in the same area. Seems like a perfect match.
^ There is a guy in Chicago Selling 2 SP10s for $700 each. Maybe PM him? You guys are only $100 off and in the same area. Seems like a perfect match.
What is your best price if I cover shipping?
I will only offer discounts on 10 or more units.
Do you do local pick-up? If so, what's your best price without shipping...
Re: [ANN] [MLS] MozzShare | Released | New Combination of Mobile Platform and Digit
3. I don't understand what you are saying here. Having no support outside of China implies market manipulation? So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America? Or are you saying that nobody outside of China is interested in Mozzria? Which would prove my point that Mozzria is not state-owned and that there is a community in China that supports entrepreneurism and open markets.
The same as you that cannot go on 51BTC.
My Chinese friends said they can
You can try again.
I guess I should have been more clear: I live in America. I have an IP address in America. I have used 51BTC before, actually going back to June 2014. Made trades there, deposits, and withdrawals. My statement, "So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America?" was not saying that I am unable to use 51BTC because I'm not in China. Clearly, I have used it in the past. It was more of like: "So I can't go on the JPX and buy shares directly in Toyota?" even though I can. My point is that people see companies as Chinese or American, or some other nation-state-centric, when globalization changed all that. If I buy 90% of the IPO of Mozzria, would that make the company American? You know, ownership is American, headquarters in China, and global distribution? Regardless, can we move past this debate and focus on the game?!
First off, let me say that I appreciate someone who acts and reacts logically rather than resorting to making childish statements. So you've got my respect, even if we don't share the same vision. There are a lot of claims made in the whitepaper and I don't really see anything in the alpha that directly links to the blockchain. I do believe that this is because the game is pre-release and integration with the blockchain at this point is premature. I think the devs can sort this out with a testnet version of Mozz so that no actual coins are POM mined, while still allowing testing of the blockchain integration. I'm assuming they will be taking care of this in the beta. I think the alpha is just to get feedback so that they can rewrite the game before they get too far in one direction. This is all just speculation. I'll admit I was an early investor in XCO, which later merged with / became Darkcoin, and at the time I was mining it with my CPU, the claims made by the developers were just as far-fetched as the claims made by Mozzria. But they did eventually achieve their goals. And I have the same hope here. You can buy $75 worth of MLS and take part in the alpha. If the game is a huge flop, you are out $75. But what if they do get it right?
I find it technically extremely difficult to implement blockchain on mobile devices (I am not sure that there is a coin that has done this) let alone make a game that will be mining blocks on mobile devices with POM. Devs were stating that they were developing this game since April and yet there is no blockchain feature, not even a glimpse of it.
I was following DRK from the very beginning and you could feel that Evan is onto something, he was at least knowledgeable enough to create new algo. There is no proof of any crypto knowledge by the current devs as their crypto development is plain copy-paste at the current stage. There has not been a single commit to github since the coin launched and it has passed 3 months!
These devs didn't prove anything yet, apart from that they can develop mediocre mobile platform game. And now we have a IPO that has collected over 1000 BTC atm from 50 investors (have you ever seen anything like this?), which values this Chinese company at 10k BTC, or 4m USD (they are selling 10% of their company). This just makes no sense and makes a case for another Moolah scam.
I, too, would appreciate more community interaction from the devs so that we know what's really going on. Kind of like the weekly Monero Missives. Their wallet really is copy-pasting, they didn't even bother doing anything with the voting mechanism from the Heavycoin wallet (which was central to HVC's uniqueness, besides the HEFTY-1 algo of course). I did not take part in the IPO as I have a policy of reading prospectuses and sifting through audited financials, none of which exist here. With regard to the difficulty of integrating a blockchain, first thing that comes to mind is orphan blocks and confirmations. I mean, MLS takes 48 hours to confirm a mined block, that would be ludicrous in a game setting! And I just can't believe they've sold so many BTC worth of shares, and yet MLS is stagnant between 1500 and 2000 satoshi. My biggest worry with the IPO is that their listing talks about everything, except the 1 thing that's really important: What are they going to use the money for? Someone enlighten me in case I missed it.
What is your best price if I cover shipping?
Also interested in your answer to this. I'm assuming from your language that there are plenty to go around?
Re: [ANN] [MLS] MozzShare | Released | New Combination of Mobile Platform and Digit
3. I don't understand what you are saying here. Having no support outside of China implies market manipulation? So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America? Or are you saying that nobody outside of China is interested in Mozzria? Which would prove my point that Mozzria is not state-owned and that there is a community in China that supports entrepreneurism and open markets.
The same as you that cannot go on 51BTC.
My Chinese friends said they can
You can try again.
I guess I should have been more clear: I live in America. I have an IP address in America. I have used 51BTC before, actually going back to June 2014. Made trades there, deposits, and withdrawals. My statement, "So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America?" was not saying that I am unable to use 51BTC because I'm not in China. Clearly, I have used it in the past. It was more of like: "So I can't go on the JPX and buy shares directly in Toyota?" even though I can. My point is that people see companies as Chinese or American, or some other nation-state-centric, when globalization changed all that. If I buy 90% of the IPO of Mozzria, would that make the company American? You know, ownership is American, headquarters in China, and global distribution? Regardless, can we move past this debate and focus on the game?!
First off, let me say that I appreciate someone who acts and reacts logically rather than resorting to making childish statements. So you've got my respect, even if we don't share the same vision. There are a lot of claims made in the whitepaper and I don't really see anything in the alpha that directly links to the blockchain. I do believe that this is because the game is pre-release and integration with the blockchain at this point is premature. I think the devs can sort this out with a testnet version of Mozz so that no actual coins are POM mined, while still allowing testing of the blockchain integration. I'm assuming they will be taking care of this in the beta. I think the alpha is just to get feedback so that they can rewrite the game before they get too far in one direction. This is all just speculation. I'll admit I was an early investor in XCO, which later merged with / became Darkcoin, and at the time I was mining it with my CPU, the claims made by the developers were just as far-fetched as the claims made by Mozzria. But they did eventually achieve their goals. And I have the same hope here. You can buy $75 worth of MLS and take part in the alpha. If the game is a huge flop, you are out $75. But what if they do get it right?
Re: [ANN] [MLS] MozzShare | Released | New Combination of Mobile Platform and Digit
3. I don't understand what you are saying here. Having no support outside of China implies market manipulation? So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America? Or are you saying that nobody outside of China is interested in Mozzria? Which would prove my point that Mozzria is not state-owned and that there is a community in China that supports entrepreneurism and open markets.
The same as you that cannot go on 51BTC.
My Chinese friends said they can
You can try again.
I guess I should have been more clear: I live in America. I have an IP address in America. I have used 51BTC before, actually going back to June 2014. Made trades there, deposits, and withdrawals. My statement, "So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America?" was not saying that I am unable to use 51BTC because I'm not in China. Clearly, I have used it in the past. It was more of like: "So I can't go on the JPX and buy shares directly in Toyota?" even though I can. My point is that people see companies as Chinese or American, or some other nation-state-centric, when globalization changed all that. If I buy 90% of the IPO of Mozzria, would that make the company American? You know, ownership is American, headquarters in China, and global distribution? Regardless, can we move past this debate and focus on the game?!
Re: [ANN] [MLS] MozzShare | Released | New Combination of Mobile Platform and Digit
Promises turned out to be empty:
1. released game is not functioning on mobile devices (I am not gonna even comment on how 'awesome' this game is)
2. this game has nothing in common with crypto and blockchain, it is just another mobile game that doesn't work and is at best dumb
3. devs have announced IPO out of blue, essentially selling their premine through IPO
Despite all of this, devs are doing quite well in terms of collection. As of now they have collected 170 BTC from Chinese investors (you can look by the e-mail addresses that every investor has Chinese e-mail address). IPO is being hosted by an unknown Chinese exchange https://www.51btc.com/crowd/project. Moreover, after this shitty game release someone has just invested 40 BTC into this 'company'.
1. released game is not functioning on mobile devices (I am not gonna even comment on how 'awesome' this game is)
2. this game has nothing in common with crypto and blockchain, it is just another mobile game that doesn't work and is at best dumb
3. devs have announced IPO out of blue, essentially selling their premine through IPO
Despite all of this, devs are doing quite well in terms of collection. As of now they have collected 170 BTC from Chinese investors (you can look by the e-mail addresses that every investor has Chinese e-mail address). IPO is being hosted by an unknown Chinese exchange https://www.51btc.com/crowd/project. Moreover, after this shitty game release someone has just invested 40 BTC into this 'company'.
1. "Released Game" - If you don't know the difference between Alpha, Beta, Release Candidate, and a Released Game, don't comment.
2. Here is your blockchain integration:
http://i59.tinypic.com/hragly.png
3. I, for one, am glad there is free market capitalism in communist China. Do you think Mozzria should act as a non-profit company? I've got an idea, why don't you go to work and not take a wage/salary. Essentially, that's what you are telling Mozzria to do. And 51btc is not an unknown exchange, I was trading Heavycoin there in June of this year. Yes it is geared to China, but what's wrong with that?
2. Nope, that is NOT blockchain integration. The coins that you are receiving are coming from a server that has this coins in its wallet. It is just a transactions from the server wallet to your wallet, no blockchain integration here.
3. Free market capitalism in China? Are you joking? This coin has no support outside of China. This is clearly market manipulation, as most Chinese shell companies that are listed in the US. Good luck with that.
1. Okay, then say that this game has not met your expectations, not that the released game is not functioning.
2. If that is the case, then where are the coins coming from? Pre-mine? Or are coins being created/mined in the server wallet when earned in the game, rather than just sitting in a wallet? Regardless, you said this game has nothing to do with crypto, which my screenshot refutes.
3. I don't understand what you are saying here. Having no support outside of China implies market manipulation? So I can't go on 51BTC and buy a stake in Mozzria because I'm presently in America? Or are you saying that nobody outside of China is interested in Mozzria? Which would prove my point that Mozzria is not state-owned and that there is a community in China that supports entrepreneurism and open markets.
Obviously I'm bullish on MLS. That being said, the game has a long way to go. There are many many choices in mobile games. But how many games are out there where you can actually make money playing them? That would definitely spark my interest, and I'd still play it even if it was crappy, just for the novelty.
Yeah, I know. I tried them with 1 miner per EVGA psu, plus the third on an old Corsair TX750. Still no luck overclocking. I am using a Kill a Watt, and am measuring 1080W at the wall at stock speeds. The max it ever hit was 1150W when trying to overclock.
Well how are you going to overclock 3 S3's with 2 power supplies that can't supply enough current to do it??
Each S3 at 250 will draw 400+ watts.
I would connect just 1 or 2 and try to overclock them 243 and 250. if they work then it is what I noted, the power supplies cant supply the amps needed for 3 overclocked
Each S3 at 250 will draw 400+ watts.
I would connect just 1 or 2 and try to overclock them 243 and 250. if they work then it is what I noted, the power supplies cant supply the amps needed for 3 overclocked
Here are some stats I gathered, just for information sharing. As many are aware, the power from the wall depends on PSU efficiency and used capacity (% of MAX). A single 1000W PSU powering 2x S3+'s will draw more power from the wall than 2 separate same model 1000W PSU's. The higher the PSU capacity , the lower the efficiency.
MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts "Efficiency W/Gh" PSU Model
225 453 400 0.88 1000W Coolmax, 80 Plus Bronze
225 453 365 0.81 1050W Cougar GX1050, 80 Plus Gold
225 453 390 0.86 1200W Coolmax, 80 Plus Gold
237 470 415 0.88 (Running 2x S3+, Values are per S3+)
250 500 445 0.89
225 453 365 0.81 1300W Rosewill Lightening, 80 Plus Gold
237 475 385 0.81 (Running 2x S3+, Values are per S3+)
250 500 405 0.81
thx for sharing, might be a noob question ... if power is 230V compared to 110V would it make a difference ? i think it would.
It doesn't matter. This is regarding Watts, which is constant between 110V and 220V. With 220V, you are using double the Volts at half the Amps. But the Watts is the same. Volts * Amps = Watts
Actually, it has been shown that power supplies using 208-240V rather than 110/120V are 1% more efficient. Aside from 110/220, there are two other important efficiency factors: (1) Ambient Temperature and (2) Percentage of PSU capacity used. With the first, I have seen a 1.3% difference in power consumption between 60*F and 80*F ambient temperatures, mostly due to the fans having to work more or less. With the percentage of PSU capacity used, the sweet spot of most PSU's is 40%. That is where they are most efficient. Efficiency curves are not flat. And Power Supply ratings are based on output, not input, so you can have a 500W bronze PSU pull 600W at the wall. Try actually running one S3 on that Rosewill Lightning and see if you can still hit those same numbers. Then try running three. I bet you will have different results.
Re: [ANN] [MLS] MozzShare | Released | New Combination of Mobile Platform and Digit
Promises turned out to be empty:
1. released game is not functioning on mobile devices (I am not gonna even comment on how 'awesome' this game is)
2. this game has nothing in common with crypto and blockchain, it is just another mobile game that doesn't work and is at best dumb
3. devs have announced IPO out of blue, essentially selling their premine through IPO
Despite all of this, devs are doing quite well in terms of collection. As of now they have collected 170 BTC from Chinese investors (you can look by the e-mail addresses that every investor has Chinese e-mail address). IPO is being hosted by an unknown Chinese exchange https://www.51btc.com/crowd/project. Moreover, after this shitty game release someone has just invested 40 BTC into this 'company'.
1. released game is not functioning on mobile devices (I am not gonna even comment on how 'awesome' this game is)
2. this game has nothing in common with crypto and blockchain, it is just another mobile game that doesn't work and is at best dumb
3. devs have announced IPO out of blue, essentially selling their premine through IPO
Despite all of this, devs are doing quite well in terms of collection. As of now they have collected 170 BTC from Chinese investors (you can look by the e-mail addresses that every investor has Chinese e-mail address). IPO is being hosted by an unknown Chinese exchange https://www.51btc.com/crowd/project. Moreover, after this shitty game release someone has just invested 40 BTC into this 'company'.
1. "Released Game" - If you don't know the difference between Alpha, Beta, Release Candidate, and a Released Game, don't comment.
2. Here is your blockchain integration:
http://i59.tinypic.com/hragly.png
3. I, for one, am glad there is free market capitalism in communist China. Do you think Mozzria should act as a non-profit company? I've got an idea, why don't you go to work and not take a wage/salary. Essentially, that's what you are telling Mozzria to do. And 51btc is not an unknown exchange, I was trading Heavycoin there in June of this year. Yes it is geared to China, but what's wrong with that?