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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 06/12/2015, 13:56:27 UTC
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Am I the only one to find humor in a disgraced account merchant with red trust moralizing about scamming & trust ratings?
Cheesy

You are not the only one. I also have the same feeling. Maybe the negative were given not for scamming but for other reasons.

Sure. For scamming. Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=358020
Not that it makes much difference. Quickseller is just an alt account, owner has many more, many with positive trust. This is perfectly legit, because reasons.
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Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?
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on 06/12/2015, 13:47:54 UTC
Not this again.
Thermos is not the owner, he doesn't even claim to be. He is no more the owner of bitcointalk than Stalin was the owner of Russia or Hitler was the owner of Germany.
Stop parroting shit you've heard other say & spreading misinformation.
If still not clear:
Shit came together in such a way as to enable thermos to control bitcointalk, Stalin to control Russia, and Hitler to control Germany. This doesn't make any of them "owners."

I don't understand what is the problem that some users have with theymos. No one forced you to like him nor the way bitcointalk works nor to post in r/bitcoin, just create your owns and share the ideas that you like between you Smiley
Back to the topic, i voted yes if the guy is fully aware and got a warning before the NT.

What does my liking/disliking thermos have to do with him not being the owner of this forum?
Do you read before typing, or are the few satoshis you make from posting just too sweet?
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Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?
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on 05/12/2015, 22:22:04 UTC

Scams are not moderated, the section was put in place after the ponzis made the rest of the gambling section useless.

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The rule(s) for a sub section are essentially "have enough threads/posts to make it a dominant topic in an existing section". E.g. blockchain.info might get a seperate section if the support posts are too much for the service discussion section.

Might "8ball of Meth and Rusty AK47 Gift Set" get a separate section if the support posts are too much for the goods section?

If not, why Huh

...I think Investor based is a useful sub forum. ...
As useful as any ghetto, i suppose. The problem's the public face of Bitcoin is now a ghetto.
Grills are laughing.

The sub forum was made to gather all ponzi scams in one place so people know that those ''games'' there are definitely ponzi and if someone tries to promote a ponzi somewhere else the thread will get moved to the investor based games. There is no way to stop ponzies from showing up, if mods deleted them people would just promote them without telling people they are ponzies so we would actually create more scams.

For the time being, I'll overlook the likelihood of you posting just for the sake of getting a few satoshi from your 'provably fair casino' sig, and explain to you why every forum on the internet doesn't have a subforum dedicated to ponzis, illegal gambling, or selling shitty drugs, rusty AKs and child porn.
You ready?
Here we go:
Because, surprisingly, yes, yes, you can stop those things. In fact, it is the duty of the forum operator to stop such things.
Even 4chan stops such things, why can't thermos?



I will explain you something, theymos is the owner

Not this again.
Thermos is not the owner, he doesn't even claim to be. He is no more the owner of bitcointalk than Stalin was the owner of Russia or Hitler was the owner of Germany.
Stop parroting shit you've heard other say & spreading misinformation.
If still not clear:
Shit came together in such a way as to enable thermos to control bitcointalk, Stalin to control Russia, and Hitler to control Germany. This doesn't make any of them "owners."
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Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?
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on 05/12/2015, 18:20:22 UTC

Scams are not moderated, the section was put in place after the ponzis made the rest of the gambling section useless.

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The rule(s) for a sub section are essentially "have enough threads/posts to make it a dominant topic in an existing section". E.g. blockchain.info might get a seperate section if the support posts are too much for the service discussion section.

Might "8ball of Meth and Rusty AK47 Gift Set" get a separate section if the support posts are too much for the goods section?

If not, why Huh

...I think Investor based is a useful sub forum. ...
As useful as any ghetto, i suppose. The problem's the public face of Bitcoin is now a ghetto.
Grills are laughing.

The sub forum was made to gather all ponzi scams in one place so people know that those ''games'' there are definitely ponzi and if someone tries to promote a ponzi somewhere else the thread will get moved to the investor based games. There is no way to stop ponzies from showing up, if mods deleted them people would just promote them without telling people they are ponzies so we would actually create more scams.

For the time being, I'll overlook the likelihood of you posting just for the sake of getting a few satoshi from your 'provably fair casino' sig, and explain to you why every forum on the internet doesn't have a subforum dedicated to ponzis, illegal gambling, or selling shitty drugs, rusty AKs and child porn.
You ready?
Here we go:
Because, surprisingly, yes, yes, you can stop those things. In fact, it is the duty of the forum operator to stop such things.
Even 4chan stops such things, why can't thermos?

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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 05/12/2015, 16:43:39 UTC
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Am I the only one to find humor in a disgraced account merchant with red trust moralizing about scamming & trust ratings?
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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 05/12/2015, 16:20:12 UTC

Open any thread.

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I do however have a problem if ponzis are advertised outside of their section. Many people still new to bitcoin come here, leaving a warning for them is far from a nanny state IMHO. I dont infantilize, I just issue a warning. You and anyone else is free to ignore it and "invest".
I'm not SNavy, though I may share its sentiment, so I'll field this one too.
I'm a little hazy on why you haven't chosen to leave a negative rating to every user advertising his wares on Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Securities.
Do you not feel that these users "are scammers or likely to scam in the future," in light of 99% of offerings in this sub being scams? Noobs may not know this, you know Smiley

Classic argument, but I cant do everything and without this thread I would probably have missed to mark those discussed here. I dont go around paroling for these things, but I will also not look away when I see them.

>I dont go around paroling for these things
No?

But now that you're aware of 'these things,' I'm sure you'll go & do your stuff Smiley
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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 05/12/2015, 16:12:41 UTC
Nah I believe you're on the wrong page
http://s14.postimg.org/6dbw48kxd/Capture.png
I'm a little hazy on why you haven't chosen to leave a negative rating to every user advertising his wares on Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Securities.
Do you not feel that these users "are scammers or likely to scam in the future," in light of 99% of offerings in this sub being scams? Noobs may not know this, you know Smiley

I try giving the neg. rating to as much ponzis as possible.
Thanks, but no Smiley
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Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?
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on 05/12/2015, 16:02:11 UTC

Scams are not moderated, the section was put in place after the ponzis made the rest of the gambling section useless.

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The rule(s) for a sub section are essentially "have enough threads/posts to make it a dominant topic in an existing section". E.g. blockchain.info might get a seperate section if the support posts are too much for the service discussion section.

Might "8ball of Meth and Rusty AK47 Gift Set" get a separate section if the support posts are too much for the goods section?

If not, why Huh

...I think Investor based is a useful sub forum. ...
As useful as any ghetto, i suppose. The problem's the public face of Bitcoin is now a ghetto.
Grills are laughing.
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Re: Should people who promote ponzis in their signature be given a negative trust?
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on 05/12/2015, 15:51:46 UTC
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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 05/12/2015, 15:43:00 UTC
Explain: ✔ 100% Payouts Guaranteed.
Presumably, "✔ 100% Payouts Guaranteed as long as the business is operational."
No different from any other guarantee on bitcointalk Smiley

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The difference I see is that txbtc advertises the ponzi to everyone.
And that's wrong? You're gonna leave him negative trust because he advertises his perfectly legit operation? Nana State much?

I have no problem with people knowingly giving away money to the likes of our "legit operator" SNavy.

In that case, we agree. Txbtc actually took an extra step to inform his investors of the perils associated with his reputable firm, by thoughtfully adding "Please invest at your own risk" to his sig.
An extra step, I might add, which Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling > Investor-based games chose not to take Undecided

No?

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Warning: You are in the Gambling section. You are likely to eventually lose any money that you gamble/"invest". Additionally, moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Do not gamble more than you can afford to lose.

No.

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I do however have a problem if ponzis are advertised outside of their section. Many people still new to bitcoin come here, leaving a warning for them is far from a nanny state IMHO. I dont infantilize, I just issue a warning. You and anyone else is free to ignore it and "invest".
I'm not SNavy, though I may share its sentiment, so I'll field this one too.
I'm a little hazy on why you haven't chosen to leave a negative rating to every user advertising his wares on Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Securities.
Do you not feel that these users "are scammers or likely to scam in the future," in light of 99% of offerings in this sub being scams? Noobs may not know this, you know Smiley
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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 05/12/2015, 15:32:35 UTC
Explain: ✔ 100% Payouts Guaranteed.
Presumably, "✔ 100% Payouts Guaranteed as long as the business is operational."
No different from any other guarantee on bitcointalk Smiley

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The difference I see is that txbtc advertises the ponzi to everyone.
And that's wrong? You're gonna leave him negative trust because he advertises his perfectly legit operation? Nana State much?

I have no problem with people knowingly giving away money to the likes of our "legit operator" SNavy.

In that case, we agree. Txbtc actually took an extra step to inform his investors of the perils associated with his reputable firm, by thoughtfully adding "Please invest at your own risk" to his sig.
An extra step, I might add, which Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling > Investor-based games chose not to take Undecided

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I do however have a problem if ponzis are advertised outside of their section. Many people still new to bitcoin come here, leaving a warning for them is far from a nanny state IMHO. I dont infantilize, I just issue a warning. You and anyone else is free to ignore it and "invest".
I'm not SNavy, though I may share the its sentiment, so I'll field this one too.
I'm a little hazy on why you haven't chosen to leave a negative rating to every user advertising his wares on Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Securities.
Do you not feel that these users "are scammers or likely to scam in the future," in light of 99% of offerings in this sub being scams?
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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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Deluxee
on 05/12/2015, 15:22:02 UTC
Explain: ✔ 100% Payouts Guaranteed.
Presumably, "✔ 100% Payouts Guaranteed as long as the business is operational."
No different from any other guarantee on bitcointalk Smiley

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The difference I see is that txbtc advertises the ponzi to everyone.
And that's wrong? You're gonna leave him negative trust because he advertises his perfectly legit operation? What happened to free trade, caveat emptor & freedom of speech? Nanny State much?
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Re: Mexxer-2 gave trust even though I explained ( updated with more details )
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on 05/12/2015, 15:11:10 UTC
@txbtc, I don't see any difference between what you are promoting, and every thread in Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Gambling > Investor-based games.

As far as QS's alts, who cares? QS itself is an alt, created to deal in forum accounts. It has been at it for quite a while, has a show-stable of quality aged, pre-owned, and antique accounts. Which it trots out whenever the need/fancy takes it.
Nothing wrong with that, that's what this forum is all about Smiley
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Re: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams
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on 04/12/2015, 23:48:46 UTC
Could you explain to me why no other organization promoting free trade is, simultaneously, pimping scam/phishing websites, selling used rubbers, and promoting ponzis?
They do not, and neither does this site. Allowing those things to be posted here and kept here is part of preventing scams. It is preserving the evidence. If all scams were moderated and then deleted, then those users posting them could potentially could scam later because there is no evidence (thread with all of the evidence would have been deleted) remaining linking them to the scam. At that point, it would all just be the accusers' word against the scammer's. By keeping threads about those sites here, the evidence is kept, the OP is negged, and the evidence can be used in the future to link other accounts to the same scammer and prevent future scams.
Let me see if I follow:
This forum creates a sub for ponzi schemes, allows them to buy trusted senior accounts and promote themselves via banner ads (i.e. provides them with all the tools they need to operate), and then, if these illegal ponzis turn out to be ...illegal ponzis, ~catch breath~ AND if the operators return to do it again, the evidence will be right here, to be used to catch the criminals leave them a negative rating?
Tell me, how many times was the evidence this public ledger of shame ever useful in reuniting victims with their coins?

Bitcointalk must be the craziest, longest-running honeypot/entrapment scheme on record, no?

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AFAIK phishing sites and sites that have malware are removed.
You mean, the evidence is deleted, so that the scammer could return and try again? Shocked

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What is wrong with selling used stuff? By no means are accounts being marketed as new, that is completely impossible. Since when has selling used goods been a bad thing?
What's wrong with selling used stuff? It depends what the used stuff is, doesn't it?
Some feel that selling used passports, used identities, and even pre-watched child porn might not be the best idea. You may disagree.

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The forum does not promote ponzis. In fact most ponzi operators are immediately negged, but as I said before, their threads are being kept as those threads can provide evidence. If you find a thread about a ponzi and you can't see the big red "Warning: trade with caution" under the poster's name and you are scammed and lose money, that is entirely your fault. The only reason the investor based games subforum exists is to keep all of those ponzis in the same location and so that all of them can get the same universal warning that those sites are gambling and/or scams.
Please understand that sort of thing can get you some serious time. Running a shooting gallery, for instance, would. Even if you tell the nice judge that had you not provided your service, the junkies would shoot up in playgrounds, and you sold drugs at your bangasorium only as a means of containment, and to avail LEO with evidence when needed.

Protip: A sign saying "SHOOTING DOPE MAY BE DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH, AND I MIGHT SELL YOU SOME RAT POISON INSTEAD OF H -- CAVEAT EMPTOR!" may not be enough to get you a [used] "get out of jail free" card.

I hereby ban account sales here and on all other forums. Now go forth and do evil no more.

That should do it, right?

Right. now go to auctions and digital goods subs, and nuke users selling accounts.
Get back to me when done Smiley
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Re: Selling accounts on this forum is correct or not
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on 04/12/2015, 15:48:58 UTC
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Like I said, give examples of the kinds of scams that you claim are the result of sold accounts, otherwise you are just making things up

TL;DR: bitcoinblackfriday.info -- brought to you by bought accounts & signature campaigns.

thriftshopping bought the account GotaPauj on November 02, 2015 and therefore while smith coins, prodigy8, lorylore, jt byte and Prasmatic were alt accounts of GotaPauj they're no longer alts when the scam happened (or at least there's no proofs of that).
Of course, this is just an example. I remember there was some huge cloud mining ponzi too, with signature campaigns etc., can't think of the name offhand, but huge. Account dealers don't disclose which accounts are being sold, so compiling a full list is difficult.
You're welcome.
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Re: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams
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on 02/12/2015, 14:08:35 UTC

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade and open discussion as much as possible. I don't "allow" things because I personally find them desirable, I like them, or approve of them.

It's a general ideological position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

>I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade
Could you explain to me why no other organization promoting free trade is, simultaneously, pimping scam/phishing websites, selling used rubbers, and promoting ponzis?

> and open discussion as much as possible.
Please explain how:
-Accounts being bought & sold promotes free speech.
-Sig campaign spam?
-Gambling/ponzi scheme subfora?

I don't want you to "disallow" things because I personally find them detestable, I hate them, or disapprove of them.

It's a general ideological commonsensical position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.
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Re: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams
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on 01/12/2015, 16:09:28 UTC
>If there is a system, there will always be a flaw. If account sales are banned, people will just find new ways of buying them and then all trust ratings will be considered valid which will in turn cause more scam.

Not sure if joking or can't read:
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That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or a place where usurers prey on degenerate gamblers.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how a problem could be solved by thinking outside the box? Smiley

There is a reason why my bank doesn't have a roulette wheel/gun shop/guy selling used condoms/hookers sucking D in the lobby.
Guess why that is.

ELI5:
- Stop hawking shit on an internet discussion forum, and you wouldn't need any kind of trust system, flawed or not.
-Stop promoting ponzi schemes (illegal pretty much everywhere, and certainly in US, where thermos hails from), or have no foot to stand on when mainstream press paints bitcoin as the currency of scammers and idiots.

>Over and out
Have a nice one, QS Smiley
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Re: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams
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on 01/12/2015, 15:09:20 UTC
>Gambling happens to be a big part of Bitcoin
So is scamming and halfass criminality. From this we should conclude that bitcointalk should promote shit crime and cater to thieves and scammers? Or?

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant -- "inventing" a trust system would not be necessary if this place wasn't a scamfest. Let me repeat:
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That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or a place where usurers prey on degenerate gamblers.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how a problem could be solved by thinking outside the box? Smiley

P.S. re. "Trust system, which cannot be abused by any random newbie with lots of alts": But abusing it with bought alts is just fine.
You bought this account what, Sept. of this year?
Cancer, you are Smiley
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Re: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams
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on 01/12/2015, 14:42:17 UTC
Dead wrong, Friend. It is a forum started to advance Bitcoin.

Satoshi didn't start this place for you to scratch out pennies by whoring out your signature, and then lose those pennies to other, slightly smarter scumbags in the gambling section.
Fuck you Smiley
Yeah right...
I believe "Satoshi" would've been here a long ago if he actually wanted to put a stop to this. ...
Satoshi left this place a long time ago, thanks, partially, to you & your ilk.
He has not "chosen the admins carefully," no more than Lenin has carefully chosen Stalin. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

He also did not create this forum in hopes of, someday, getting awesome Alexa ratings by attracting all of the internet's petty thieving lowlifes, thus supporting the mainstream conception of Bitcoin as the currency of greedy but otherwise laughably inept criminals and degenerate gamblers.
You'll have to just take my word on that one Smiley
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Re: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams
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Deluxee
on 01/12/2015, 14:19:30 UTC

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how you can solve a problem by thinking outside the box? Smiley


Shut your crap already, this is a private forum not something to "advance Bitcoin"

Dead wrong, Friend. It is a forum started to advance Bitcoin.

Satoshi didn't start this place for you to scratch out pennies by whoring out your signature, and then lose those pennies to other, slightly smarter scumbags in the gambling section.
Fuck you Smiley