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Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
Thank you for your concerns but, your empty attacks are just that empty. Your bold letters and angry text shows the true colors of where these attacks come from and the chain of events on how we know.
Go be a Social Justice Warrior elsewhere.
Anyone wondering these attacks are being orchestrated by the New ELLA team and its lackeys.
We left and they choose to still spread ill will and proclaim to be a pure coin.
And they also are attacking the PIRL team.
We will continue to make EGEM what we envisioned, and wont let fear and division side track us from petty little men.
Go be a Social Justice Warrior elsewhere.
Anyone wondering these attacks are being orchestrated by the New ELLA team and its lackeys.
We left and they choose to still spread ill will and proclaim to be a pure coin.
And they also are attacking the PIRL team.
We will continue to make EGEM what we envisioned, and wont let fear and division side track us from petty little men.
Yeah, definitely it's Ella team's fault you missed a bug that caused you to relaunch the coin, it couldn't possibly your own fault that there are bugs in your code. There is really no need to be responsible for your own code, you get an A for effort anyway. And it worked out pretty well the last time you ignored etherhacker, you can be sure it's just another empty threat. Besides, you already had practice relaunching the coin, so what more harm can he do? Just relaunch a second time and problem solved.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
IF ethhacker wanted to report the bug without spreading 'FUD' then he would have privately contacted the tbates n riddlez privately. the fact that he tried, TRIIIED, to make a big deal out of it and making big post crying about how 'scammy' the coin is only proves the insecurity of the individual. Some one with this type if knowledge and 'dev skills' doesnt have a bitcointalk account wiht only 14 post. cmon. you think were dumb? go pound sand FUD man
Really? More obfuscation? Trying to discredit the whistle blower?
Did you miss the part where the block chain was relaunched because of the info he provided, which you know, being a low "dev skills" kinda guy with only 14 posts (fine by me if that's how you decide to measure competence, but w/e), still found an obvious and easily avoidable bug in the code. That little fact already proved he's better than the whole dev team put together. It's just that much worse for the team if he's actually low skilled.
I agree with you that the way he approached the team wasn't all flowers and champagne, but this whole thing could've been avoided if you were just able to put aside your undeservedly large egos for a moment and take in a healthy dose of reality.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
"What would have happened if I just left it in there? nothing. No one would have touched that premine, ever, anyway."
Then why did you go through with the relaunch if it's no biggie?
Then why did you go through with the relaunch if it's no biggie?
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
I thought you were done talking....
better make sure to do it more damaging than posting in the ANN jokeboy
You can't try to revert to be professional now that your terrorist tactics are already deployed...
better make sure to do it more damaging than posting in the ANN jokeboy
You can't try to revert to be professional now that your terrorist tactics are already deployed...
Not only are you incompetent at coding, you are also bad at telling people apart by "language patterns". While they both seem to be non native English speakers, the etherhacker guy is angrier and doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. while Ellaismer always tried to stay above the fray. You even said it yourself, Ellaismer acts like a school teacher, man, even when you know the answer, you still screw it up. You have so much hate for the guy that you try so hard to pin the blame on him, but everyone else can see that you just didn't do your homework right and your egos just can't let you own up to it like an adult. How do you expect your coin to make it while he team got the basics so wrong, and aren't equipped with the procedure or the professionalism to handle one bug. The next one, if etherhacker decides he wants time the release to do real damage, is going to sink your coin.
And now just like before, when you have no sound arguments, you resort to personal attacks, calling him a terrorist. Over whistle blowing on a piece of code? LOL, he's not the one doing damage to egems in the ANN, you are, by showing the complete lack of professionalism in how the egems team handles the bug reveal and the ensuing back and forth. Your supporters and community can see exactly what to expect in the future.
And now just like before, when you have no sound arguments, you resort to personal attacks, calling him a terrorist. Over whistle blowing on a piece of code? LOL, he's not the one doing damage to egems in the ANN, you are, by showing the complete lack of professionalism in how the egems team handles the bug reveal and the ensuing back and forth. Your supporters and community can see exactly what to expect in the future.
Dimsum222 if etherhacker can sink our coin I challenged him to do it and he left and with the lame excuse "I'll wait until later."
I don't think he can do anything that really matters at this point, or he would have done it. Since he won't give us the same respect he apparently shows the other coins, and discuss it privately, then we have no choice but to call him a terrorist. that is what his actions show.
If you got a hack - please hack. If you got a bug - please show it. Since you and your bully buddy got nothing more, though, just be gone.
LOL, can you even hear yourself? "have no choice but to call him a terrorist"? What is he doing? Putting a gun to your head and asking you to call him a terrorist? Or are you just so intellectually and physically lacking that you can't control the words you type? You just got triggered and don't have a well reasoned and logical response, not a lack of choice.
And let's not forget this little (e)gem, you conclude that etherhacker and ellaismer are the same person because:"You are online at the same times and speak the same language patterns". And I'm not saying I know for sure they are or are not the same person, but it's almost like you don't know how big the internet is, or how statistics work, or what is circumstantial evidence. Maybe you actually don't, so no wonder your code is junk.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
I thought you were done talking....
better make sure to do it more damaging than posting in the ANN jokeboy
You can't try to revert to be professional now that your terrorist tactics are already deployed...
better make sure to do it more damaging than posting in the ANN jokeboy
You can't try to revert to be professional now that your terrorist tactics are already deployed...
Not only are you incompetent at coding, you are also bad at telling people apart by "language patterns". While they both seem to be non native English speakers, the etherhacker guy is angrier and doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. while Ellaismer always tried to stay above the fray. You even said it yourself, Ellaismer acts like a school teacher, man, even when you know the answer, you still screw it up. You have so much hate for the guy that you try so hard to pin the blame on him, but everyone else can see that you just didn't do your homework right and your egos just can't let you own up to it like an adult. How do you expect your coin to make it while he team got the basics so wrong, and aren't equipped with the procedure or the professionalism to handle one bug. The next one, if etherhacker decides he wants time the release to do real damage, is going to sink your coin.
And now just like before, when you have no sound arguments, you resort to personal attacks, calling him a terrorist. Over whistle blowing on a piece of code? LOL, he's not the one doing damage to egems in the ANN, you are, by showing the complete lack of professionalism in how the egems team handles the bug reveal and the ensuing back and forth. Your supporters and community can see exactly what to expect in the future.
I have no idea why you are addressing questions to etherhacker to me, it's the second time now. But since you asked: Maybe he missed it. I'm sure you can relate, lol.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
I thought you were done talking....
better make sure to do it more damaging than posting in the ANN jokeboy
You can't try to revert to be professional now that your terrorist tactics are already deployed...
better make sure to do it more damaging than posting in the ANN jokeboy
You can't try to revert to be professional now that your terrorist tactics are already deployed...
Not only are you incompetent at coding, you are also bad at telling people apart by "language patterns". While they both seem to be non native English speakers, the etherhacker guy is angrier and doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. while Ellaismer always tried to stay above the fray. You even said it yourself, Ellaismer acts like a school teacher, man, even when you know the answer, you still screw it up. You have so much hate for the guy that you try so hard to pin the blame on him, but everyone else can see that you just didn't do your homework right and your egos just can't let you own up to it like an adult. How do you expect your coin to make it while he team got the basics so wrong, and aren't equipped with the procedure or the professionalism to handle one bug. The next one, if etherhacker decides he wants time the release to do real damage, is going to sink your coin.
And now just like before, when you have no sound arguments, you resort to personal attacks, calling him a terrorist. Over whistle blowing on a piece of code? LOL, he's not the one doing damage to egems in the ANN, you are, by showing the complete lack of professionalism in how the egems team handles the bug reveal and the ensuing back and forth. Your supporters and community can see exactly what to expect in the future.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
He was proven right and wasn't just doing it for the FUD.
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Easy to say after the fact. Just saying that his first post was hostile. So i took it as fud. Also at the time that account was brand new and never posted in this forum before.
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You know how they say smart people are always doubting and double checking themselves and the dumb ones are always sure they are right?
"Useful men, who do useful things, don't mind being treated as useless. But the useless always judge themselves as being important and hide all their incompetence behind authority. There are few things more dangerous than a mixture of power, arrogance and incompetence."
Well, you were arrogant because you thought you did SO much work for Ellaism, that you "made it what it is today", and so you think you could knock out another block chain in a week. You were so full of yourselves that when the issue presented itself, you didn't like the guy's tone and decided you must have nothing to worry about. Only to end up eating those words the very next day.
The fact that Egems so often stress that it is not a "hobby coin" as a dig at Ellaism just makes this accidental premine code debacle that much sadder.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
[/quote] the intentions of etherhacker was clear to me on his first post. I mean he insulted the team calling them script kiddies. How am i not to take that as fud?
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He was proven right and wasn't just doing it for the FUD.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
Hey Dimsum222
I think a few things:
1) I was talking to YOU specifically about the community wallet accusations you were making, and letting every reader (and you) know that we did offer to return the funds to the contributors of that wallet - still waiting on reply... funny thing is I am not a signer on that wallet and I think only one of our dev team is... so unfounded accusations really anyway. Never the less
the other comment was to "etherhacker. We do take any bug report seriously. We were asking if he could please submit a bounty request to help us fix the bug instead of just using it as a means to humiliate us publicly. That first bug was removed when it was reported and we did an entire chain reset to fix it. I think that is taking a report seriously. Our community was strong and supportive of that and it speaks volumes to me as a developer.
I also think the rest of your comments are directed blindly at me as if I am the whole group. I don't have a twitter account or treat anyone with disrespect. The comments about "FUD much" were exactly right on. General respect in the crypto community would be approaching the devs in private not coming over to the ANN and try to disrupt it. I would recommend you reply to tbates76 as he offered to straiten things out in private. Just so you know every one of the guys that did have signatures to that wallet you are mad about said they fully support giving it back to the people who put the money in the wallet. They cant just hand it over to someone else and I am sure you understand that. You see, crypto means a few things for sure:
1) they have the private key they own the funds and can do what they want with them, however, in this case they know the intention of those funds was not for the signers but to enable a community to work together on something. Also in this case it was to work together with a core dev that split that something up when he wouldn't vote on a consensus but left the discord - we know who that is
so....
2) if the transaction fails on smart contract the funds go back to the sender. In this case the contract for that community fund failed so a refund is inevitable and a multi sign wallet is a smart contract on consensys.
I hope you understand and can let this go and move on. EGEM is working over here with the supportive community we have and that is our focus. The code we worked on was reviewed by thousands of peoples eyes before us (its open source) and we did our best and made some mistakes. We opened up the code for all to see on a testnet plenty of time before the soft launch. I would have expected someone to point out an error then. We fix errors when we find them and when they arise, now, and in the future. There is always a way to fix and move on. We don't have ill will toward the other community you speak of, we had a non consensus and unfortunately can't rectify it.
Please contact one of us in private to settle any issues from here on out. This ANN is for EGEM and that community. Thanks.
I think a few things:
1) I was talking to YOU specifically about the community wallet accusations you were making, and letting every reader (and you) know that we did offer to return the funds to the contributors of that wallet - still waiting on reply... funny thing is I am not a signer on that wallet and I think only one of our dev team is... so unfounded accusations really anyway. Never the less
the other comment was to "etherhacker. We do take any bug report seriously. We were asking if he could please submit a bounty request to help us fix the bug instead of just using it as a means to humiliate us publicly. That first bug was removed when it was reported and we did an entire chain reset to fix it. I think that is taking a report seriously. Our community was strong and supportive of that and it speaks volumes to me as a developer.
I also think the rest of your comments are directed blindly at me as if I am the whole group. I don't have a twitter account or treat anyone with disrespect. The comments about "FUD much" were exactly right on. General respect in the crypto community would be approaching the devs in private not coming over to the ANN and try to disrupt it. I would recommend you reply to tbates76 as he offered to straiten things out in private. Just so you know every one of the guys that did have signatures to that wallet you are mad about said they fully support giving it back to the people who put the money in the wallet. They cant just hand it over to someone else and I am sure you understand that. You see, crypto means a few things for sure:
1) they have the private key they own the funds and can do what they want with them, however, in this case they know the intention of those funds was not for the signers but to enable a community to work together on something. Also in this case it was to work together with a core dev that split that something up when he wouldn't vote on a consensus but left the discord - we know who that is
so....
2) if the transaction fails on smart contract the funds go back to the sender. In this case the contract for that community fund failed so a refund is inevitable and a multi sign wallet is a smart contract on consensys.
I hope you understand and can let this go and move on. EGEM is working over here with the supportive community we have and that is our focus. The code we worked on was reviewed by thousands of peoples eyes before us (its open source) and we did our best and made some mistakes. We opened up the code for all to see on a testnet plenty of time before the soft launch. I would have expected someone to point out an error then. We fix errors when we find them and when they arise, now, and in the future. There is always a way to fix and move on. We don't have ill will toward the other community you speak of, we had a non consensus and unfortunately can't rectify it.
Please contact one of us in private to settle any issues from here on out. This ANN is for EGEM and that community. Thanks.
I'm not addressing you specifically, but the egems team. The level of obfuscation and denial here is amazing. Anyone can go back to read the comments from tbates and riddle in response to etherhacker's notice about the bug in your code, and the response from Riddles was:"GL to you sir." and tbates:"FUD MUCH?". Literally, that's all they said. Is that taking it seriously? No, that's downright dismissive and you got what you deserved. The fact that you are arguing it was otherwise, while the evidence is plainly there for anyone to see is exactly the sort of arrogance and cognitive dissonance the egems team is afflicted with. You are lucky he told you about the bug sooner rather than later, and really should thank him for saving your asses from much bigger trouble later on.
Your other points are wrong as well, esp the twitter account not being in the egems possession. Also, someone with the username osoese posted plenty on various twitter discussions, are you going to delete them and claim you don't have a twitter account? I don't want to spend any more time educating you, or proving why you are wrong, the evidence is right here in this thread and anyone can read it and make up their own minds.
This team not only lacks basic competence in coding, but also deficient in logic and reason in the face of overwhelming evidence.
One last bit of advice, people that have the respect of others don't ask for it, they work for it and EARN IT. Only when they are not capable, do someone asks for respect, and true respect never given just because someone asks for it.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
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Hey, bud, - why are you trying to rain on our parade? Submit a proper bounty request in private as is standard. This way everybody is happy. This is not a hobby coin so please don't FUD it. None of the ETH coins would have ever moved from that wallet because the ETH devs are pretty good guys - I know because when I worked on ELLA I asked them questions about the code and they asked me if ELLA was a copy paste scam. I told them no its not - its a legit coin. Now, please give us same respect.
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Well since it's not a hobby coin, and you guys are taking it so seriously, it sounds like it's a real "professional' coin. Then why don't you act professionally?
A professional project would have done the following:
1. return twitter account to the Ellaism community and start your own social media accounts
2. audit your code before official release
3. take bug reports seriously, not "GL to you", and "FUD much?"
4. take the second bug reports seriously
5. treat whistle blowers with respect
6. don't go around blame everyone else for your own incompetence and oversight
7. take criticism seriously instead of just pushing it aside as "raining on your parade", when your parade is one of incompetence and arrogance
So yeah, GL to you, sir.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
And now they are going on twitter to try to blame this on Ellaismer, who didn't even bring it public, only on the Ellaism discord because he wanted to explain to the community why he removed mention of egems from the Ellaism web site.
That's like committing a murder and blaming the witness for getting themselves in jail.
Very classy, take my money, won't you?
That's like committing a murder and blaming the witness for getting themselves in jail.
Very classy, take my money, won't you?
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
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The Ellaism community fund is a donation based fund that is meant to be used to further the interests of the Ella community. Some people have donated to it directly, and some through a small percentage donation through mining. It is held in a multi signature wallet.
The Egems devs were at one time part of the Ella dev team, and were signers to the community fund. When they left over a disagreement, the community fund is essentially frozen since there are not enough signers to move the coins. Instead of doing the right thing and giving back control to the community. Since the Egems devs decided to leave the Ella coin and community behind, it would only be the fair and right thing to do to hand back control to the Ella community. But that has not happened.
So if you want to support the Egems project, everything will be great if you always agree with these devs, no matter what they wanna do. But if you disagree, you can see that they have not done the right thing in the past.
Yes, it may be "in the past" and you are "over it" and "moving forward" all that. But I wouldn't let a "past" pedophile baby sit my kids, no matter how much they claim to be "over it", and I bet you wouldn't neither.
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To be fair, that doesn't sound like they stole the community fund. It just sounds like they wanted to leave Ella for good, no strings attached.
I can't really blame them? Who would the community fund go to? It would just go to the core team of Ella now (which is just Ellaismer.)
It'll probably end up being a wallet that ends up being untouched and untoucheable. Even when Ella is worth $1,000 or $500 each, it's just going to be crypto candy that people wish they had access to, but don't.
Forced hodl'ing lol.
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So if you let a banker manage your money, you are ok that if he switches jobs to another bank, that money just stays in the bank and you can't access it anymore? That's a responsible and grown up thing to do in your opinion?
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
How about making things right with the twitter account and the community fund? Until then, your credibility is zero.
What's this about the community fund? Can you elaborate?
The Ellaism community fund is a donation based fund that is meant to be used to further the interests of the Ella community. Some people have donated to it directly, and some through a small percentage donation through mining. It is held in a multi signature wallet.
The Egems devs were at one time part of the Ella dev team, and were signers to the community fund. When they left over a disagreement, the community fund is essentially frozen since there are not enough signers to move the coins. Instead of doing the right thing and giving back control to the community. Since the Egems devs decided to leave the Ella coin and community behind, it would only be the fair and right thing to do to hand back control to the Ella community. But that has not happened.
So if you want to support the Egems project, everything will be great if you always agree with these devs, no matter what they wanna do. But if you disagree, you can see that they have not done the right thing in the past.
Yes, it may be "in the past" and you are "over it" and "moving forward" all that. But I wouldn't let a "past" pedophile baby sit my kids, no matter how much they claim to be "over it", and I bet you wouldn't neither.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
Egem was made by a few people that threw a huge hissy fit over some trivial dispute with the original Ellaism dev, cursed everyone that disagreed with them, used nasty personal insults, and hijacked the Ellaism twitter and the community funds. They were self important jackasses that claimed to have done SO much of the work for Ellaism and "got Ellaism to where they are today".
That's the character of the team you are dealing with, is it any wonder they would be discovered with this utter incompetence and/or straight up scam? I want to know which one it is though, since you claim to have done SO much for Ellaism, but apparently can't even check the copy and paste code for a huge pre-mine? Or are you guys straight up just scamming people into buying/mining/supporting your coin?
That's the character of the team you are dealing with, is it any wonder they would be discovered with this utter incompetence and/or straight up scam? I want to know which one it is though, since you claim to have done SO much for Ellaism, but apparently can't even check the copy and paste code for a huge pre-mine? Or are you guys straight up just scamming people into buying/mining/supporting your coin?
There are many things which happened, that is all in the past. Moving forward we will make things right with this oversight regarding the premine.
How about making things right with the twitter account and the community fund? Until then, your credibility is zero.
Re: [ANN][NO-PREMINE][EtherGEM] An ethereum network with a different view.
Egem was made by a few people that threw a huge hissy fit over some trivial dispute with the original Ellaism dev, cursed everyone that disagreed with them, used nasty personal insults, and hijacked the Ellaism twitter and the community funds. They were self important jackasses that claimed to have done SO much of the work for Ellaism and "got Ellaism to where they are today".
That's the character of the team you are dealing with, is it any wonder they would be discovered with this utter incompetence and/or straight up scam? I want to know which one it is though, since you claim to have done SO much for Ellaism, but apparently can't even check the copy and paste code for a huge pre-mine? Or are you guys straight up just scamming people into buying/mining/supporting your coin?
That's the character of the team you are dealing with, is it any wonder they would be discovered with this utter incompetence and/or straight up scam? I want to know which one it is though, since you claim to have done SO much for Ellaism, but apparently can't even check the copy and paste code for a huge pre-mine? Or are you guys straight up just scamming people into buying/mining/supporting your coin?
Re: [ANN] Ellaism: Ethereum network with no premine and no contentious hard forks
So I withdrew ella from my wallet to cryptopia. Issued TX ID, verified the wallet address which was a match, sent the transaction. Coins gone, over 24 hrs, Using the tx id number it lists everything but no unconfirmed/confirmed messages. I sent pirl at the same time and transaction completed within an hour. How else can I track it? Cryptopia says they have a 28 day backlog of support tickets. If this doesn't get resolved I think no more Ella for me. Nothing is showing at cryptopia as pending deposit
Maybe I'm just being a little impatient but in the past its been pretty quick
Maybe I'm just being a little impatient but in the past its been pretty quick
I hear that going to the cryptopia discord and asking for help there works well. Worth a try.
I find it kinda hard to HODL when the marketing is bearish... there is a lot of stress:p
Do you think going HODL might be bad for the health?
Do you think going HODL might be bad for the health?
Personality has a big impact on how you deal with market volatility, and what portion of your total worth is invested in it. 5% vs 50% makes a pretty big difference.
Re: [ANN] Ellaism: Ethereum network with no premine and no contentious hard forks
Good luck don't care you are gonna burn anyway.
This is exactly what he was talking about. When Ellaismer disagrees, he states his position, that's it, without personal attacks or ill intent.