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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 26/11/2023, 17:14:27 UTC
All right, a next step:

To assure proper access to EFL we established some extra markets next to freiexchange EFL/LTC and EFL/BTC thanks to a successful crowdfunding campaign.

This time on XEGGEX, partly because they don't require KYC below 2000$ withdrawels/day.  That would allow $730000 per year
You will have EFL/BTC EFL/DOGE and EFL/USDT at your disposal.  They also have a liquidity pool where you can put some at stake.

If you follow the next affiliate link you would directly support the electronic gulden foundation:  XEGGEX
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 05/11/2023, 16:23:56 UTC
After a significant hiatus in our communication, we want to assure you that the Electronic Gulden Foundation has continued its role as the EFL/eGulden watchdog and development center.

Regarding communication, while there may have been some lapses, the fundamental principles of our project remain unchanged, and this is a positive sign. It reflects the stability, a core value of any robust blockchain project.

Recently, we made updates to the eGulden announcement on Bitcointalk (at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843017.msg9404134#msg9404134), and you can review these changes on the following links:

- https://gitlab.com/electronic-gulden-foundation/bitcointalk-forum-e-gulden-aankondiging/-/commit/451e1ce0aaaec361729143de6a837621b7ca4aff
- https://gitlab.com/electronic-gulden-foundation/bitcointalk-forum-e-gulden-aankondiging/-/commit/48375e657d4867bb165e089043f40bf2001da403

One noteworthy development has been the disappearance of our main "competitor," NLG, which we always regarded as a poor example of a cryptocurrency project. Despite their seemingly superior communication skills, their presence gradually dwindled until it ceased entirely on September 6th (Link).

Nevertheless, our commitment remains steadfast, and one crucial aspect is providing access to EFL. Unfortunately, the cryptocurrency market still heavily relies on Centralized Exchanges. While we've experimented with AtomicDex, we are not yet entirely comfortable recommending it to the average user. The integration of AtomicDex remains a top priority.

The majority of our efforts are currently dedicated to communitycoins.org, where we collaborate with teams such as AUR, CDN, and DEM, among others.

In addition to our primary market on FreiExchange (https://freiexchange.com/market/EFL/BTC), we have plans to join XEGGEX. We are in the process of seeking a listing on XEGGEX (https://xeggex.com/listing). To support this endeavor, we have established an EFL donation address at LSnAiLm4jhCwX4onuR3QG6LBXmqNpnGL6Q (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/address.dws?LSnAiLm4jhCwX4onuR3QG6LBXmqNpnGL6Q.htm).

Once donations exceed 2203.71 EFL, we will proceed with the listing request

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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 31/05/2020, 16:03:12 UTC
welcome to some tiny unnamed.Exchange

Well tiny Exchange,  your are welcome to us too in our tiny country. Never underestimate :-)
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 22/03/2020, 21:09:58 UTC
Well great guys,  Keep on speculating.
In the mean while eGulden thrives on honest book keeping and on bitcoin-core ethics.
People will learn. Possibly the hard way but some are aware.
- We started a newsletter string sent to 5840 subscribers.
- eGulden got itself listed on Folgory.com
- Tactical and strategic plans to be implemented by our team-2020, those that currently surround us and those that follow later.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 08/05/2019, 20:14:48 UTC
Hi,

Where can I find the white paper? I there one?

Well,  not so sorry to say there is none. On purpose.
Whitepapers that flood the market pretent to be origin-documents that once and for all tell what a coin is about and probably where it differs from Bitcoin.
e-Gulden doesn't pretent to be different or better than Bitcoin and the satoshi whitepaper is just as valid for e-Gulden as it is for Bitcoin.

Whitepapers are static and serial lines of text and the are not fit to express the evolution at hand.  Websites are. Therefore we advise you to visit e-gulden.org to read the motivations of the e-Gulden team.
Again, unfortunately for people that don't understand dutch, we don't intend to translate everything. A few important pages that we want to share with the world have an english translation though, such as :


Since website and announcements are dynamic we maintain them through codemanagement on both github and gitlab.

We must see the first whitepaper that is maintained like that.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 02/04/2019, 08:36:54 UTC
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 27/02/2019, 20:33:22 UTC
From a technical perspective alone, are you saying that your coin becomes obsolete as soon as Bitcoin solves all its scalability problems?

No, you did not hear that from me, nor is that a consequence of what I said. Scaling is not the issue either because scaling would be the problem.
Because bitcoin doesn't scale it will survive. Now we are forced to look for escapes, like the lightning network. But Lightning only alleviates, just like Altcoins do.
Moreover, Lightning will tie these Altcoins better together allowing atomic crosschain swaps (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.09515.pdf) improving the cryptocurrency network as a whole and Bitcoin leading the way.

Just look at the internet. If it would be a single electronic highway that had to cope with all traffic it wouldn't function. Instead it is a topology with many highways and subways interlinked with bridges, gateways, buffers and more.  Thats how the future of cryptofinance will be.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 22/02/2019, 20:56:48 UTC
Launching a national coin that is open to everyone globally seems to be a bit weird. You could just use any other cryptocurrency and it's usually easier to use as it's better established.

Your statement is interesting. To us the launch of a coin that is destined to a local community seems logical, so you must have something in mind which we don't see.
Let me tell you first what makes a national coin logic to us. Then we elaborate on your suggestion to use any other more established cryptocurrency instead. From that point we will argue why your own proposal is weird.

Back in 2014 we came to the conclusion that Bitcoin had at least one major flaw: When it would be used as a peer to peer cash system and would have to compete with fiat currency it would become bloated very soon.
Because  the use of Bitcoin is permissionless and because you can think of many more applications than just peer to peer payments, the potential problem will be much bigger. When we just focus on worldwide financial transactions it is fair to prepare for ten payments per person daily as an average.  If you compare that load to the capacity of Bitcoin alone, that capacity (1 milion transactions/day) is a factor 10000 too small. To give you an impression, in the picture below, the blue surface represents the capacity required and the white dot represents Bitcoin's capacity.



Moreover bitcoin is intended to be decentralised. We do'nt know if you maintain a bitcoin core-wallet but we assure you very few people do, because it is too heavy allready. Increasing the blocksize is a rather short sighted solution with decentralisation in mind. Just listen to what LukeJR jas to say about that: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/is-it-time-to-take-an-initiative-to-decrease-bitcoins-block-size-seriously/

We believe that the adoption of a specific cryptocurrency by a local community is only natural. These local communities do exist you know. 99% of all financial transactions is local. Why disturb this valuable (and expensive)  global blockchain when someone in Shanghai wants to buy a pizza? And how do you think a pizza seller in Shanghai will need to value your "just any other cryptocurrency"? There exists thousands of them. We think it would have to be a cryptocurrency he knows. One that is generally accepted in Shanghai. For you that is easy. If you do business in Shanghai on a regular basis you just change some of your Bitcoins to the popular cryptocurrency over there. The pizza seller will tell you which one that is and it would take a few seconds to obtain them with your "any cryptocurrency". In the Netherlands that could well be e-Gulden/EFL. It is open-source, it has Bitcoin in its core, it is decentralised, easy to access, it is easy to use in any HD wallet, it is censorhip resistent and indeed borderless as any cryptocurrency that plays by the Bitcoin rules.

Maybe this will change your mind, but we are very interested if you still think our e-Gulden/EFL is weird.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
by
EFLFoundation
on 28/01/2019, 09:39:33 UTC
If there are no updates the information again? There seems to be a lot in the last month, i saw the most of the post here from you,  do you not intend to establish a community? It will be very good for the growth of your projects .
If you saw most of our posts here you should have noticed that it is our prime intention to establish a community. As you can see in our first post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843017.msg9404134#msg9404134) bitcointalk is not our main channel because our community is Dutch and we use Dutch channels. Mjor announcements appear in Bitcointalk. You can read more on https://e-gulden.org/index.php/the_e-gulden_oerushield
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[ANN-update]Update of goals and Clarification of (e-)Gulden
by
EFLFoundation
on 21/12/2018, 14:10:12 UTC
It is easy to post announcements and announcements should normally not require major updates. This time it does.

First, as a brief notion in our adapted goal, we want to bring up the concept of local/community networks as opposed to global cryptocurrency networks.
Local cryptocurrency networks predominantly market and support local communities to offload global cryptocurrency networks. The major motivation is that it makes no sense that local payments disturb global networks that are fundamentally bloated, even with the advent of lightning. A derived consequence is that cryptocurrency networks that are regionally biased will reflect local adoption and economic competition. A second consequence is decentralisation even if Bitcoin remains the technological core. Core as a technological example and beacon of trust.

Second we want to bring oerushield to your attention, conceived during the summer of 2017, now a proven concept, harnessing small POW networks and dramatically reducing energy consumption.

Third, representing e-Gulden(EFL) we feel compelled to clarify the piracy of our name, our market and the general attitude/behaviour of Gulden(NLG).

Just have a quick read through our updated announcement on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843017.0

The Electronic Gulden  foundation wishes you an exiting 2019!
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
by
EFLFoundation
on 20/12/2018, 13:28:38 UTC
Our announcement topic has been updated, to reflect the current e-Gulden/EFL situation and the opinion of the EFL foundation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843017.0

To complete that on behalf of the EFL community we wish you all a merry christmas, a happy new year and many cryptocurrency successes in 2019.

Gerrit, Dennis, Yoshi, Hans, all embassadors and many more
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
by
EFLFoundation
on 29/11/2018, 07:46:35 UTC
First shop to accept EFL as payment: http://www.wittetafel.nl/contact.htm


Yeah, Seems Yoshi bought himself a furniture shop. So he can spend his own cute little coin in his own cute little shop.

Must be fun to own 90% of a coin!

BTW, eGulden and this shop seem to have the same 6 year old webdesigner!  Grin Grin

Joris. What pleasure does it give you to spend all your 14 posts on downplaying e-Gulden? We can think of a few reasons
Who would create a Bitcointalk account specifically to hurt the e-Gulden community? We can think of a few suspects.

Time is precious, so obviously you see e-Gulden as a thread that is worth spending your time on.
But sarcasm only works if you have something to say yourself. We are eager to have a look at your contributionz to a better world.


 
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands
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EFLFoundation
on 12/11/2018, 09:02:25 UTC
For this Communities Information - EFL is going to be listed free of charge on https://emblemvault.com/ 's DEX, due to be released very soon.

https://coinscribble.com/emblem-vault-announces-support-for-more-than-500-cryptocurrencies/2085/releases/34/

https://github.com/DecentricCorp/coininfoplus/blob/master/lib/alts.js

for more information have a look at our Bitcointalk page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1652345.0


We praise everyting that contributes to decentralised exchange. Promising!
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 24/10/2018, 17:58:41 UTC
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... I am not just giving up like the foundation is willing to do after they spoke with you....

It is not a matter of giving up, it is a matter of arbitrariness of Bittrex. Market volume is equivalent to Bittrex income. Centralised exchanges are clearly not the solution for future crypto markets as they only behave like parasites. It is plain to see where this ends.  Not the end of cryptocurrency but the end of centralised exchanges and anything between the customer and the real market. Soon the market will be peer to peer and you will be able to bid and ask without being X-rayed or being taken hostage by parties like Bittrex.

Amoung several posts to Bittrex we stated :
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You cannot compare small grassroots communities with larger commercial networks that address the world. In the end, small countries/communities will have a minority volume by definition. All our marketing communication is in dutch to address the Dutch public. The other Dutch coin (NLG) is a commercial entity that does the exact opposite. They pretend to be better than Bitcoin (read their whitepaper) and all their communication is in english to reach as many non-dutch people as possible. Off course they are "more" successfull in the short term.
> The main challenge of cryptocurrency/Bitcoin is decentralisation, the exact opposite of favouring large over small.
> The current market is remote from the potential market. The potential market is all about mainstream adoption. Mainstram adoption cannot be serviced by coins that challenge each other for global dominance. Keeping local communication local(transactions) is a well known working network topology (LAN/WAN). It is how the internet operates.

The response was zilch. Oh no, there was one: "A sarcastic form to request a new listing on Bittrex". Definitely not the way to go.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 27/09/2018, 13:52:50 UTC
EFL was not mentioned in a coinomi e-mail that was send out today.

https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000025470-gulden-delisting

yes EFL was mentioned, but only as a clarification as an apology to the e-Gulden (EFL) community.
The choice of the name Gulden in 2015 was parasitic behaviour and forces honest people to clarify and apologise.
These clarifications and apologies should come from the Gulden(coin)-NLG team.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 05/09/2018, 10:04:02 UTC
Hai, look at that 1700 for EFL!.

Yoshi Livo is pumping his cute little personal coin again.... Grin Grin Grin Does your "Liberland fairytale" need your money again?

How long will it take until you have over 10 million EFL? a few months? Half a year?  Or are you already there?  Smiley

Go for it, Yoshi!. Besides you, nobody has any belief in your coin. In the end, you will own them all.  Grin



How about the 1000+ corewallets actually running. cryptoid gives you a snapshot: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/#!network
How about the 3000MH/s certified mining capacity driven by loyal miners and at least 10 pools that add 5GH/s. They are all digging EFL.

When someone behaves like a troll, writes like a troll he probably is a troll. Why would you lower yourself behaving like a troll? Let us help you. What is your real problem with EFL?
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 21/08/2018, 16:34:32 UTC
Introducing crypto to the world is difficult. Generally spoken bringing a big change to the people takes an awfull lot of time. Every psychologist can tell you people have to be involved to adopt a change. They have op be told what the advantage for them is. Again and again. They have to see the advantage. They have to feel it. They have to trust the messenger and the product. So messenger and product need to have a perfect trackrecord. That gives you at least a small chance to succeed. Otherwise nobody will even try to trust you.

But look at your cryptoworld: A bunch of nerds, shouting their coin is the best and every other coin is a shitcoin. People who believe in fairy tales like "liberland" and think that their weird dreams will persuade the rest of the world. No marketing, no promotion, not even trying to persuade other people.

looking at the trackrecords: Well, if the price is almost on the all-time low of 4,5 years, then you should understand you're doing something wrong. Very wrong.

looking at the messengers: same story. Face it guys, you've failed. Ask a few people for help who really know what to do! It's not rocket-science, but it's a lot more than you do.

eGulden and Guldencoin are doomed. Both. Nobody believes after 4 years of failure something will change. Price will go lower and lower, up to zero. Where they belong. Only Yoshy tries to convince himself permanently but that's logical if you have 10m of those shitcoins.

But just go on, believe in fairies. They're so cute and nice to read in this cruel world for mature people.

Or say: Let's do it! it's late but not impossible. But we have to do something. Something else we did for 4,5 year! Let's do it now! Let's forget those %#$%#( smartphone and computer screen and let's start talking to real people.

It will be a new experience for you. But it will be worth it.

It won't happen, I'm afraid. Sad!

Well there is Joris again. Let me remind you our extensive answer to your pessimistic post in april this year (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843017.msg34402603#msg34402603)
You sound so unbelievably calvinistic. Let us help you with three things this time:

1e. It is not late. Life goes on and humanity thrives on progress. It is very early. We just escaped middle ages. Fiat is a hack that lasted just one century. It is just about over and done with. Cryptocurrency is a marvelous solution. Just stick to the core and forget about coinmarketcap. Your measure of success is not ours. Just take a few secs to listen to Antonopoulos to know where our true values are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9qSfS_O3V0&=&feature=youtu.be&=&t=1903

2. You keep talking about "us" who have supposedly failed. Cryptocurrency is not about the "us" you are referring to.  Neighter is EFL. True cryptocurrency is about communities that slowly start to understand its meaning: Free Open Decentralised Borderless Censorship resistent. Even in this borderless world communities are irrefutably localised. I suppose you belong to the same community as we do, otherwise you would not be that much concerned about EFL.  EFL is a free propositition to the Dutch community, 100% Free Open Decentralised Borderless Censorship resistent and 99,9% Bitcoin. The Dutch are lagging behind, that is true (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-20/lira-collapses-turks-are-piling-cryptocurrency). The reasons are so obvious.

3. If you really are concerned about the adoption of cryptocurrency and you want to help to speed it up, just send a message to support@e-gulden.org. We will show you it is not just "us" or yoshi but thousands of keen spectators waiting for the right time to jump in and to drag the unawares with them.
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 18/08/2018, 14:48:46 UTC
Hi all,

I'd like to ask the dev if he can add my pool to the whitelist
http://www.nlgpool.nl

Thanks in regards!
Marco

Apply at support@e-gulden.org
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 26/06/2018, 13:34:46 UTC
Is there a blockchain snapshot somewhere? 

There is no use for it yet. Some 1GB that hardly compresses. Just download and start a wallet (https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden/releases/latest) and wait a few hours. After that you could backup %appdata%\egulden  without wallet.dat and you will have your snapshot
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Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
by
EFLFoundation
on 20/06/2018, 15:35:59 UTC
Hi Yoshi, I assume you were drunk or stoned writing this? Or both? Novaexchang doesn't know who Yoshi Livo is. Like almost the rest of the world. And they don't care. Nobody does. Nobody knows EFL exists. Nobody cares. Novaexchange wants the same as you want. Make an awful lot of money. That's the only reason you care  You own 50% of EFL (that what I'm told) so it's important for you EFL will survive. Sounds logical. And again nobody cares.

With a daily volume of 0,5 to 1 BTC on Bittrex it's a question of time your nice little coin will be delisted. And they're totally right. Face it. EFL is dead. That so-called foundation of you is dead.  The only thing they do is give their EFL away for free as long as someone wants to have it. And then you try to convince yourself and the world it has value! Of course, it has. In your imagination. And in your fairy-country Liberland :-)

So wake up. Nobody wants your coin anymore. Just a few months and it's delisted worldwide. Just a matter of time. And nobody will care.


Well Joris, thank you for the time you invest in EFL. Although it is a bit strange that you are bothered by something that is nothing in your opinion. I suppose you also speak on behalf of nobody. Then it must be your personal interest to emphasise that EFL is nothing. Maybe some hidden corner of your brain tells you EFL might be something. Something that threatens your personal interest. Let me help you...  You invested in NLG and you are infected by their arrogance that makes it seem to you that others don't exist.