well at least if someone buys it its proably more easy to get it back out in the system

the smart guys dont pay of course ^_^.... since they have self respect and dont act like servents, alot of girls like them... bag the chick and keep your cash is the smart thing to do.

what are Lucky coins.. cant find much about it

agreed

i thank you for understanding my fustrations.. as you say

but..... im not really interested in wasting more time trying to get my money back from bitinstant... i already gave your company 100% fair oppuerinity to resolve the issue.. your company un-wisley choose not to.

is that the same email that i never seem to get replys to?.... all emails to that adresss seem to fall on deaf ears...  your the only person to write to me from that email. ( and that was 2 weeks after my orginal email to that adresse and was not a reply but a new messege from you dirrectly.)

besides... i already know how this works... you give me the run around... pretend you dont see my requests for refunds or fee waivers .. ect...ect...ect...   and in a month you will offer me 10% and hope i take it.

as for breaking down the math, of how you owe me.... thats kinda subjective.. and complex

(do you owe me for out of pocket expenses to cover for your companys failures?... oppertunity costs?.. missing out on the price hikes of bitcoins?... losing money as the price of bitcoins were low when i finaly got some bitcoins?.... having to cover the gap of having my money stuck in limbo?. ect..ect..ect)

 its hard to say for sure how much i lost... so its hard to show you... how could you know if i  was being honest any ways?... i could easily lie and say i had somone willing to pay big bucks becuase they coudlent get bitcoins in there country so i was getting it for them,.... i could easily make up some crapy lie and it would be unconfirmable and subjective.

as for the truth...  im out around 250 - 550  dollars.... not including harder to see oppertunity costs and expenditurs

but its diffcualt to break it down... and is subjective.

how am i out 250 - 300 dollars?... again thats subjective and vauge....

are you familure with a term called Arbitrage?.... its were you take advantage of price difference between two or more markets.... you push money around to make money....  there were some juicy oppertunitys on the virwox exhange that could have been taken advantage of by trading bitcoins for other currancys then trading them back to bitcoins later.  (am i sopposed to lay out a buisness plan here?)

losing out on hundreds of dollars of extra money i could have really used becuase even though i got my bitcoins ahead of time, by the time i recieved my bitcoins it was far to late and far to few in value.

 another example is that i lost out on major price hikes in the price of bitcoin, a main reason why i rushed to buy bitcoins when i did.. but its hard to say how much money i lost... the price of bitcoin more then doubbled exactly when i expected it.. but i was without my coins at the time -_-

when i did get my bitcoins the price had fallen signifcily... resulting in more money lost.

i had to input addtional money to get bitcoins from other sources.. once your company failed to meet all its promises.. as my money was stuck in limbo.

i had to compensate for the money stuck in limbo with your company and had to compensate for the money i sent to more legitiment sources for bitcoins...

you offerd  0.5 btc ...  becuase you said the price band was 65 - 70 USD.... but 0.5 btc didnt even meet the highest 70 dollar price band for the 92 buck...  it comes up a few bucks short.... your either nickle and diming me or changeing me fees twice.

speaking of... it looks like the fees were still not waived... a demand you always pretend to go deaf when asked about.

im not trying to blame bitinstant for all my problems..... but the shakey fact is... i lost hundreds dirrectly becuase of bitcoins failure to meet its GUARNTEE('s)

how much money is hard to say... and hard to break down in math.. and is dependent on honesty (as is the nature of bitcoins and your buisness)

and then there is the fact that i already asked for compensation for all of this already... why should i reach out to your company so it can save its own ass?.. i already asked nicley AND not so nicley for compensation and all your compnay did was give me the run around and pretend it didnt see what i was saying.


but it seems i am out 250 minumum...  and thats being HYPER CONSERVATIVE for YOUR BENNIFT....... in reallitys its more like 500 or more.... a combination of many factors... from ranging from missing out on the dubbling of bitcoin price.... getting my bitcoins at a time when the price of bitcoins was low and still falling (since it took nearly a month for you to send me more bitcoins)

and in the end... im not just pissed about the money.. im more concerned about the principal of the matter and of how poorley bitinstants handling of the situation was.

 on second thought.... im pissed abouth both eqauly.... there is a reason people refeer to the customers in this suport thread as victems.

i would think bitcoins value would drop like a rock.... as the bitcoin economy would fail, thus ending the demand for bitcoin.. a possbale replacment might pop up.

unless there was something vary importaint you could only get with bitcoins.. causing the price to be high as people would be willing to pay almost anything for it.

thats what i suspect

BitAddiction

(say that fast)

now why dont you post all the comunications from the weeks before that? of me trying to get my money from your company?... i would do it for you but it would fill about 8 pages up on this thread.

  "1 hour" turned into about 480 hours.

 i should be getting paid by the hour for all the time i spent trying to get my money back from you guys... + any overtime i very well may have racked up....  

...


your here in the forums all the time... but as you said.. your power is limited... and as most here will surley agree.... the main bitinstant suport is exreamly unresponsive.

...

i cut my losses, as i stated.... but that doesent mean things are cool with me and bitinstant... im still out alot of money becuase of your companys failure to meet is guarantee, and the errors in the system your company has set up and claimed its customers could trust.

im done fucking around....  "BitIinstant" should have treated its customers with more care.... and when you dont you lose your customers as was pointed out in the comment i responded to.

i spent almost a month telling your company how much you owed....  i asked for as mear fraction of what i lost.

your company did everything it could to ignore my refunds reqeusts.... played deaf when asked for fee refunds... played deaf when asked for compansation for my losses.

(and i think everyone in this thread already know about the lack of responsivines from customer suport emails.. enough said about that)


after nearly a month.. you offerd me 0.5 bitcoins....  less then the minium btc of the price band that you your self gave me (65-70) usd

i am no longer willing to spend additonal time chasing your company for my money.... so i cut my lossses and took your meager offer.

and that is reflected in my honest staments about your company.....

however if you think my memeory failed... it didnt

if you thought you could treat me like that... ripp me off... hold my money for nearly a month.. and think thats just okay?..  No.

you were wrong about that.

im sick of asking you for my money.... so instead you lose me as a customer and everyone else i am connected to... and this is a well connected world.

oh oh oh!!!!!


destory your bitcoin wallet!... and leave the coins as burried treasure for a pirate who manages to hack the network!

the key is to make sure everyone knows about it.... screen shots of the complaints on this thread are by far the best thing to show others.... it destorys the trust that bitinstant desperatly needs in a area were trust is absolultly critcial.

bit instants owes me hundreds of dollars also.... and refused to give me even a penny of it.. in fact they refused to give me the full pruchess price of my bitcoins as well... and refuse to refund the fee they charged.

so what do you do when a company robs you?...  make sure everyone knows about it.... it will cost them 1000x more then the money they owe you.


spread screen shots of whats going in here to all the social midea sites, let everyone know.... twitter... reddit... facebook... myspace

put up pictures of complains on this thread to pinterest and tumbler.... then book mark those pages.

do you know how to make web sites and webpages?... its very easy.. free.. and you can get alot of traffic on google with basic seo tips.

make some reivew web pages.... and give this company a reivew of your experiance with them.

this company wont stop ripping people off until we hit then were it hurts... its wallet.

i strongly encourage you to do, what many abused customers are doing... .spreading the word.

they dont even need to know what bitcoins are.... they just need to know to stay away from bitinstant and why.

hey bitinstant?... enjoying the money you ripped me off for?..... not as much as i enjoy seeing the thosends and  thosends of dollars ripped from your wallet as more and more people find out how you are ripping people off.

i gave this company every oppertunity to settled what it owed... i gave them 100% fair warning... they wanted to ripp me off?.. fine... but it will cost them... thosends and thosends and thosends of dollars... and thosends of customers.

i strongly encuraged any one who has had a negitive experiance with bitinstant to report it to others.... social meida sites are how customers get there "say"

its been estimated that 1 like on facebook generates over 100 dollars for a company... now do the math in reverse.

dont beg them to please give you your money they owe... . dont get on this thread and beg them to keep there word after they took your money..... FIGHT BACK YOU HAVE THE POWR NOT THEM

if they are holding your money.... dont come on here and beg for it.... you dont need to beg, its THERE responsibity to keep there word.

no customer... should have to come on this thread.. and beg for there money.

dont be affraid.... tell them give them your money back or your going to the public.. and if they dont... GO TO THE PUBLIC... thats customers true main defense in a type of buisness like this.

i have still not goten my refund... its been 21 days

1LegDJSSFSMZcYbFvuabLcTB1s8yC5A8pe

amazing0@att.net

i have still not recieved my refund.... (the tiny amount your trying to give me at least.)

amazing0@att.net

its been 17 days.

im sure going to enjoy writing my review about my experiance with bitinstant on my blogs and webpages...

please send me my money. 

1LegDJSSFSMZcYbFvuabLcTB1s8yC5A8pe

i dont believe i recieved any messege... i will check to see if if the send goes through

one of the most importaint things to bitinstants success is its customers trusting bitinstaint... its a shame to see such trust becoming increassly erroded.

i also fear using bitsintant again, like you, and wonder if it would ever be again worth the risk.

i have not recieved any response from level 2 customer suport nor from charlie ceo.

im still awating the 0.6 bitcoins i am owed.. + fee waiver and some added compensation for my losses and 11 days worth of my time.

i will not allow my self to be robed or ripped off.

i will not go away untill i have recieved my refund.

 i know you said only charle can help me now.. but he has not responsed.. and i feel it is accepetble to post here about my problem... perhaps you intended on attempting to hide me in a corner and ignnore me? and hope i go away?,... if so i assure you it wont work.

here is my order informatiion

my email: amazing0@att.net

my bitcoin address: 1LegDJSSFSMZcYbFvuabLcTB1s8yC5A8pe

quote ID:  38d38cad-8c20-496f-b7a3-b103bbcd120

Event ID: d2d9e99b-ea32-442b-9ce6-e18f4c9ea603

zipzap Account Number: 177574217

http://blockchain.info/

enter the adress you sent the money to... make sure everything matches up.. including making sure you got the right adresss.

oh.. ok.. thanks for that

but... in standerd user terms....  what the standerd user will experiance.... is there is one money pool for your wallet that is linked to all your adresses...  money comming in or out appears or dissapers from that pool, regardless of adresses used.

that is what the standerd user will experiance... and see.... even if thats not what actualy happens.

they will give you a bitcoin for 10 dollars.. if you win the bidding war. (i guess)

a bitcoin is worth what ever people are willing to pay for it... this price is ussualy set by the masses.... but in the end its up to you to decide how much something is worth to you.

these people are selling 1 bitcoin for 10 dollars... if you jump through some hoops and win.

so its a 10 dollar bitcoin.

it was at first to me also... but experiance is key... its actualy fairly easy to understand once you see it with your own eyes.

if you have an question.. ill try to awnser them