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XYES, it's very easy: you either offer good odds or not. If you offer good odds (a not too high bookie margin) then you have to accept that sometimes your odds are a bit higher than market average. If you spot this, limit the user stakes so he cannot make bets like this in future. Accept that 1% of your players will manage to win more than lose, this is not a disaster as you will still make a lot from those other 99%.
If you don't want to have a chance that at rare instances your odds can be above market the market, then simply take 0.1 off the odds your provider offers. If they offer 1,85, make it 1,75 etc. That way you will not have any chance that your odds ever get above market averages. Any respectable odds provider has a tool to increase the bookie margin for their clients, just ask and they will give it to you.
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But if you are gonna offer 1,85 vs 1,85 odds margin then you have to accept the downsides of it too.
And btw on your website you advertise with "Bet on sports with great odds". How can your odds be great if they are never allowed to be above the competition?
If you don't want to have a chance that at rare instances your odds can be above market the market, then simply take 0.1 off the odds your provider offers. If they offer 1,85, make it 1,75 etc. That way you will not have any chance that your odds ever get above market averages. Any respectable odds provider has a tool to increase the bookie margin for their clients, just ask and they will give it to you.
tion
But if you are gonna offer 1,85 vs 1,85 odds margin then you have to accept the downsides of it too.
And btw on your website you advertise with "Bet on sports with great odds". How can your odds be great if they are never allowed to be above the competition?
OP, I can see you online from time to time. I can't proceed without your words. Tell me what you think and I'll relay it to the casino. Otherwise, this case won't move anywhere, because the ball is now in your court.
I already told you that I do not consider myself guilty and insist on full payment of the winnings. This is all I would like to receive from the casino.
I believe this shall be the closing statement of this case:
After a thorough discussion with the casino, as a gesture of goof will and show that the casino listens to the forum and have the forum's best interest at heart, they are agreed to recredit all of your winnings to be withdrawable, amounted USD 436.94 on top of the prior deposit that's already withdrawn. Following the withdrawal, the account will be permanently locked.
I'd like to stress this once more that this is not because XYes has no proof or arbing or anything else. I can vouch with my reputation here that the account did got flagged for arb betting by the provider. Nonetheless, listening to the input that's given by one or two prominent members advice, they agreed to initiate the gesture as they are planning to start their journey with the forum.
OP, darwstall, they'll need perhaps a couple of hours to process the unlock and recredit, kindly check periodically and once unlocked and withdrawn, return here with confirmation, so this case can be closed accordingly.
Good to hear this, but more important for the future of XYes on this forum is to know if they will in the future keep voiding winnings like this (and join the scam Betby books such as Betpanda, Chips, Wintomato etc) or if they will do as the respectable Betby books do (500 casino, Razed, Betplay, Crashino etc.) do now (ask KYC, limit stakes and make sure the person is not able to bet sharp again, but at least pay him or her what is owned)?
@holydarkness this is not about a proof that a warning was sent from Betby to XYes, this is about proof that there was arbitrage betting. For that you would need to have 2 bet slips, both with comparable stakes on the opposite outcomes of the same event. This is not do-able on the same bookmaker (because they have a bookie margin that makes it impossible to arb within the same book) so the 2nd betting slip would have to be from another book (for example Pinnacle) and it would be impossible for you nor XYes to have obtained this.
The problem here is, that's the exact same side of the coin. It's the cause and effect instead of two separate matters. Speaking in general, the provider sent their flag to casinos about arbing or other violation the providers detect, and the casinos act accordingly to this flag. The casino does not need two bet slips to compare stakes of the opposite outcome of the same events, the provider did this.
All bets were submitted to the providers. They have all the bet slips and the history. And as established, arbing has telltale. Overtime, these telltale became more and more prominent that the provider will notice. Also has been established, both casinos and provider has their own detection algorithms. Sooner or later, the provider will catch up, and after that, it's only matter of time for them to catch the arbing by matching the history of repeated strange numbers across casinos, then a flag raised.
Not to mention that it is not too far fetched to think that it is possible that those providers communicate with each others in terms of crosschecking violators. Everyone hates violators. And enemy of my enemy is my friend, so, is it impossible to think Betby say, "hi Pinnacle, I'm sending you user with this details, can you share me his betslips from date x to y? I'll return with the result."?
And once that flag raised, it follows you everywhere. You can buy time by using different device or email or wallet, but their detection is [as I've witnessed myself] very complex, they'll catch up with you, eventually.
[...]
I thought, since holydarkness has been doing this for a long time, the company should be able to show the proof to him, and he should be able to do it for the player. I initially mentioned LoyceV and holydarkness since they are reputed forum members. But you already accused holydarkness of being a liar. I would be happy to invite nutildah since he has been watching the thread for a while. I would talk to Xyes and send the documents to them to verify. But there is no guarantee you would stop spreading FUD Rating Place. You might say LoyceV or even nutildah lies. So, what is the solution actually? Pay the extortionists?
I thought, since holydarkness has been doing this for a long time, the company should be able to show the proof to him, and he should be able to do it for the player. I initially mentioned LoyceV and holydarkness since they are reputed forum members. But you already accused holydarkness of being a liar. I would be happy to invite nutildah since he has been watching the thread for a while. I would talk to Xyes and send the documents to them to verify. But there is no guarantee you would stop spreading FUD Rating Place. You might say LoyceV or even nutildah lies. So, what is the solution actually? Pay the extortionists?
No need for that. I've come to the precipice of coming to the end of this case. Introducing another prominent member will only force them to face the unnecessary character assasination and mud slinging that you just witnessed for the past two pages of a supposedly headache-free* case. My name is already full of mud from the haters who can't accept a verdict of a case. I can take more.
Not to mention that XYes will have to start from the beginning again. Which... rather likely will then ends up just like what happened here with me. Then we look for another DT, and the circe restarted. As I'm nearing the end of it, might as well endure another mud-slinging and put my thick skin and focus on the player and case at hand and ignore unnecessary noises from statement-chameleon.
*as long as you take favor of the player
I've been waiting here for more than 3 weeks for proof of my arbitration, will I wait for them or will I listen to strange accusations for the amounts of bets that I placed on sports. Everyone has had enough that xyes casino is simply deceiving everyone, they deceived everyone with their fake license, their fake casino without kyc verification, their fake 800 thousand players. And people with avatar casino are still trying to prove us the opposite? You are already funny, bring your casino here and let them prove my arbitration, if they can't then these accusations are a lie like everything else.
OP, focus on me.
This is my latest proposal [#99] to see the end of this case. My attempt to deescalate matters. As what I always do. If I may repeat and make it easier:
1. They will void your supposed arb-winnning, amounted 208.03
2. They will honor your legitimate winning, amounted 733.47
3. If I recall correctly, they've return your principal of 410
4. Thus, the amount payable to you is 323.47
Do you accept this?
If you do, I'll try to talk them into it. I can't guarantee they'll accept, but I'll try and give my best. Otherwise, find other who want to
Hahaha, you have absolutely no idea how sportsbetting works obviously. Pinnacle is an ARB-FRIENDLY bookmaker so they are never ever gonna share user details. They trust their lines enough that anyone is welcome to bet on it without ever getting limited or banned. So surely they are not gonna leak personal data of users to third parties.
Also, how on earth does Betby know if it was Pinnacle that was used as the 2nd book for the arb? It could just as easily have been an asian book, or an exchange, are they really gonna contact them all?
And next to that, most asians and exchanges (and Pinnacle too) are also accessible via betting brokers, where it's even impossible to trace down a bet to a name of the person placing this bet.
Absolutely bullshit what you are suggesting here.
It is very simple: Betby can spot value betting, not arbing.
My purpose is not to sling mud at you, my purpose is to teach you a bit of how sportsbetting works. Because from reading your posts I can see you don't know much yet. You probably dealt mostly with casino related cases. I am not saying you are a bad person but I'm saying you judgement is clouded by a lack of understanding of the sportsbetting business.
My last lesson then: Yes, Pinnacle may have been just an example. But with any arb there is a soft and a sharp bookie involved. Betby clearly is the soft side, so the arb side can be several books: Pinnacle, Exchanges or Asians. They all have in common that they have so much confidence in their lines that they do not limit individually and thus are arb-friendly. There is no cheating involved by betting on those books so they will never give up user data.
You can throw away your idea of another book sharing a bet slip with a name to it. Absolutely impossible.
It is very simple: Betby noticed that all or most bets of the user were on value odds, hence they labelled him a value bettor with +EV bets. This is not forbidden according to XYes terms. And to still be able to confiscate the winnings XYes changed the wording from value to arb. And that is nasty.
@holydarkness this is not about a proof that a warning was sent from Betby to XYes, this is about proof that there was arbitrage betting. For that you would need to have 2 bet slips, both with comparable stakes on the opposite outcomes of the same event. This is not do-able on the same bookmaker (because they have a bookie margin that makes it impossible to arb within the same book) so the 2nd betting slip would have to be from another book (for example Pinnacle) and it would be impossible for you nor XYes to have obtained this.
The problem here is, that's the exact same side of the coin. It's the cause and effect instead of two separate matters. Speaking in general, the provider sent their flag to casinos about arbing or other violation the providers detect, and the casinos act accordingly to this flag. The casino does not need two bet slips to compare stakes of the opposite outcome of the same events, the provider did this.
All bets were submitted to the providers. They have all the bet slips and the history. And as established, arbing has telltale. Overtime, these telltale became more and more prominent that the provider will notice. Also has been established, both casinos and provider has their own detection algorithms. Sooner or later, the provider will catch up, and after that, it's only matter of time for them to catch the arbing by matching the history of repeated strange numbers across casinos, then a flag raised.
Not to mention that it is not too far fetched to think that it is possible that those providers communicate with each others in terms of crosschecking violators. Everyone hates violators. And enemy of my enemy is my friend, so, is it impossible to think Betby say, "hi Pinnacle, I'm sending you user with this details, can you share me his betslips from date x to y? I'll return with the result."?
And once that flag raised, it follows you everywhere. You can buy time by using different device or email or wallet, but their detection is [as I've witnessed myself] very complex, they'll catch up with you, eventually.
[...]
I thought, since holydarkness has been doing this for a long time, the company should be able to show the proof to him, and he should be able to do it for the player. I initially mentioned LoyceV and holydarkness since they are reputed forum members. But you already accused holydarkness of being a liar. I would be happy to invite nutildah since he has been watching the thread for a while. I would talk to Xyes and send the documents to them to verify. But there is no guarantee you would stop spreading FUD Rating Place. You might say LoyceV or even nutildah lies. So, what is the solution actually? Pay the extortionists?
I thought, since holydarkness has been doing this for a long time, the company should be able to show the proof to him, and he should be able to do it for the player. I initially mentioned LoyceV and holydarkness since they are reputed forum members. But you already accused holydarkness of being a liar. I would be happy to invite nutildah since he has been watching the thread for a while. I would talk to Xyes and send the documents to them to verify. But there is no guarantee you would stop spreading FUD Rating Place. You might say LoyceV or even nutildah lies. So, what is the solution actually? Pay the extortionists?
No need for that. I've come to the precipice of coming to the end of this case. Introducing another prominent member will only force them to face the unnecessary character assasination and mud slinging that you just witnessed for the past two pages of a supposedly headache-free* case. My name is already full of mud from the haters who can't accept a verdict of a case. I can take more.
Not to mention that XYes will have to start from the beginning again. Which... rather likely will then ends up just like what happened here with me. Then we look for another DT, and the circe restarted. As I'm nearing the end of it, might as well endure another mud-slinging and put my thick skin and focus on the player and case at hand and ignore unnecessary noises from statement-chameleon.
*as long as you take favor of the player
I've been waiting here for more than 3 weeks for proof of my arbitration, will I wait for them or will I listen to strange accusations for the amounts of bets that I placed on sports. Everyone has had enough that xyes casino is simply deceiving everyone, they deceived everyone with their fake license, their fake casino without kyc verification, their fake 800 thousand players. And people with avatar casino are still trying to prove us the opposite? You are already funny, bring your casino here and let them prove my arbitration, if they can't then these accusations are a lie like everything else.
OP, focus on me.
This is my latest proposal [#99] to see the end of this case. My attempt to deescalate matters. As what I always do. If I may repeat and make it easier:
1. They will void your supposed arb-winnning, amounted 208.03
2. They will honor your legitimate winning, amounted 733.47
3. If I recall correctly, they've return your principal of 410
4. Thus, the amount payable to you is 323.47
Do you accept this?
If you do, I'll try to talk them into it. I can't guarantee they'll accept, but I'll try and give my best. Otherwise, find other who want to
Hahaha, you have absolutely no idea how sportsbetting works obviously. Pinnacle is an ARB-FRIENDLY bookmaker so they are never ever gonna share user details. They trust their lines enough that anyone is welcome to bet on it without ever getting limited or banned. So surely they are not gonna leak personal data of users to third parties.
Also, how on earth does Betby know if it was Pinnacle that was used as the 2nd book for the arb? It could just as easily have been an asian book, or an exchange, are they really gonna contact them all?
And next to that, most asians and exchanges (and Pinnacle too) are also accessible via betting brokers, where it's even impossible to trace down a bet to a name of the person placing this bet.
Absolutely bullshit what you are suggesting here.
It is very simple: Betby can spot value betting, not arbing.
⭐ Merited by nutildah (1)
@holydarkness this is not about a proof that a warning was sent from Betby to XYes, this is about proof that there was arbitrage betting. For that you would need to have 2 bet slips, both with comparable stakes on the opposite outcomes of the same event. This is not do-able on the same bookmaker (because they have a bookie margin that makes it impossible to arb within the same book) so the 2nd betting slip would have to be from another book (for example Pinnacle) and it would be impossible for you nor XYes to have obtained this.
Just post what you have. If I'm wrong then I'll apologize. I'll bet whatever you want to bet that they don't have proof of arbitrage betting. All you need are two bet slips.
No.
I'll break my vow of silence and hurt my reputation as a "bridge" and secret keeper if I just post it here. Why should I ruin my own reputation that I've built for years and painstakingly garnered casinos trust so much so I can see and understand cases from both sides fairly, FOR NOTHING, freely, taking toll to my own sanity and time, only to throw it away for... an apology? Especially after I gave you plenty of time to calm down and digest the information, that you mixed up the case and [perhaps] upon realizing it, you tripped and spiralled as you tried to double down. I've been patient enough and try to deescalate the matter, I offered you explanation, and you twist my words and paint me as a liar. Multiple times.
And now you're here proposing me to just post what I have, that I earned after years of trading my sanity and time [again, for free, I didn't benefit at all from all the cases I oversee, nor seeking any], in return for an apology?
So, here's my bet: put 1.56 million USD on "the table" [an escrow, if that's too hard to understand], I'll show my card to the dealer [again, that's a DT that we both agree, if that's too hard to understand] that the casino was informed by the provider that the player is arbing. Otherwise, this shall be the turning point, a revelation, that tell us what man Rating Place is. That he can't put money where his mouth is.
Then how about you hand over the evidence of arbitrage betting to the accuser himself? Surely nobody can say you're not trustworthy for doing that, as it keeps only in the arms of the ones who are directly involved.
By the way Holydarkness, providers indeeds is the one flagging for whatever (arbitrage, value betting etc) but they never void the bets. The bets remain unvoid and shown as won in cases like this. The fact that the sportsbook (in this case XYes) then only pays back the deposit, means they put the voided winnings completely in their own pockets. The provider does not get these funds, as far as they know the bets are still won and paid.
That was my other disagreement. This is the one where holydarkness stated that 5 reps said the odds provider makes the decision.Betby absolutely does not make the decision to void the bets. If they make that decision then it would not be possible for there to be a difference between class books (500casino, razed, betplay, crashino etc.) and scam books in how they handle value betting situations. If Betby makes the decisions, then all value winnings would have been void in those class books too.
By the way Holydarkness, providers indeeds is the one flagging for whatever (arbitrage, value betting etc) but they never void the bets. The bets remain unvoid and shown as won in cases like this. The fact that the sportsbook (in this case XYes) then only pays back the deposit, means they put the voided winnings completely in their own pockets. The provider does not get these funds, as far as they know the bets are still won and paid.
That was my other disagreement. This is the one where holydarkness stated that 5 reps said the odds provider makes the decision.Betby absolutely does not make the decision to void the bets. If they make that decision then it would not be possible for there to be a difference between class books (500casino, razed, betplay, crashino etc.) and scam books in how they handle value betting situations. If Betby makes the decisions, then all value winnings would have been void in those class books too.
By the way Holydarkness, providers indeeds is the one flagging for whatever (arbitrage, value betting etc) but they never void the bets. The bets remain unvoid and shown as won in cases like this. The fact that the sportsbook (in this case XYes) then only pays back the deposit, means they put the voided winnings completely in their own pockets. The provider does not get these funds, as far as they know the bets are still won and paid.
@holydarkness
If you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself? They off odds with a margin as we all know. For example instead of 2,00/2,00 they offer 1,85/1,85 meaning they take 15% value bets on each stake on average.
Why is it that only the books are allowed to have some value bets? They make so much profit from those 99% of their customers and then they cannot stand to lose a small bit to that other 1%? That is so childish and greedy. You are so much on the sportsbooks side, it's quite rediculous.
If you are so much defending the books for consicating for value betting, do you even realize that 99% of the bets that are being placed are pure value bets for the sportsbook itself? They off odds with a margin as we all know. For example instead of 2,00/2,00 they offer 1,85/1,85 meaning they take 15% value bets on each stake on average.
Why is it that only the books are allowed to have some value bets? They make so much profit from those 99% of their customers and then they cannot stand to lose a small bit to that other 1%? That is so childish and greedy. You are so much on the sportsbooks side, it's quite rediculous.
The thing is XYes lied to Holydarkness about not updating their license since they didn't have one. There's no reason to contact them because they don't tell the truth.
the thing is , holydarkness is prone to believe anything that the casinos say -although they are OBVIOUS lies- than the players claims which are supported by actual evidences..
op asked him for help, and now hes talking about the betting amounts, why he was kyc`d so early, hes jumping from one casino to another.. NONE of these are the fucking issue here.
1. WHERES THE FUCKING EVIDENCE?
2. WHAT THE FUCK ARE CASINO REPS HERE FOR IF THEY NEVER REPLY TO YOUR CLAIMS ON THEIR THREADS OR SCAM ACCUSATIONS AND THEY ARE ONLY DOING BACKDOOR HUSH HUSH TALKS WITH `TRUSTED MEMBERS` WHICH WE HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE OF WHY THE FUCK THEY ARE `TRUSTED` COS TO ME ALL OF THEM ARE EQUALLY FISHY
theres a reason i didnt ask any help of him and now i see that i was right. would be an extra session of being accused like i didnt have enough
Getting flagged doesn’t mean arbitrage. The OP got flagged for CLV (closing line VALUE )
Exactly. Getting flagged is normal, and getting limited too. The difference between scam books and good books is then confiscating the winnings, which the good books (for example 500casino, Crashino, Razed etc.) do not do.
The other player had the small bets. You are right that the strange numbers are a sign of automated arbitrage. That’s speculation. The other thing is no other book would confiscate money under the same circumstances. This is text book sharp action where the odds provider automatically limits and makes the book aware. As I’ve said, XYes has two bets playing both sides or they don’t. If they don’t then the player should be paid in full.
Strange numbers have nothing to do with arbitrage. It is just clicking the max button and then betting whatever is shown there.
In fact it's more a sign of NOT arbitrage betting because anyone doing arbitrage would be smart enough to not bet the full max.
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Betbolt, my withdrawal function is still blocked. I am getting fed up with this, it is going on 5 days already.
Your team does not answer on email and not in livechat.
I am getting completely ignored.
Please tell me what you need form me, if it is KYC then let me know. I am giving you 2 more days to solve this and then I will open a scam accusation.
Never have I seen such unresponsiveness from a casino.
Your team does not answer on email and not in livechat.
I am getting completely ignored.
Please tell me what you need form me, if it is KYC then let me know. I am giving you 2 more days to solve this and then I will open a scam accusation.
Never have I seen such unresponsiveness from a casino.
Am looking to try Betbolt out too, but I will await how your case goes first. It does not sound good for a new casino/sportsbook to not even communicate with their players. Hopefully soon it will be resolved.
AskGamblers is asking you to send a complaint to the regulator of BetPanda casino. I wonder why they don't want to mediate the case.
I don't see a license seal on BetPanda's website with any contact information. It does say the casino is operated by SBM S.R.L, which is Star Bright Media S.R.L, registered and regulated in Costa Rica. You will need to find a way to contact the license issuer. According to this, the company operates under an Anjouan Gaming Authority license. No ideal if that is true, though.
You can try to contact them from the following sources:
https://anjouangaming.com/contact/
https://gamingcontrolanjouan.org/contacts/
Please note that the first website states they will not review or respond to complaints sent via their contact form, so the choice is yours.
They suggest sending complaints via the license seal on the casino's website, but as I said earlier, I don't see it. You can contact BetPanda support and ask them how to view their license and seal.
I don't see a license seal on BetPanda's website with any contact information. It does say the casino is operated by SBM S.R.L, which is Star Bright Media S.R.L, registered and regulated in Costa Rica. You will need to find a way to contact the license issuer. According to this, the company operates under an Anjouan Gaming Authority license. No ideal if that is true, though.
You can try to contact them from the following sources:
https://anjouangaming.com/contact/
https://gamingcontrolanjouan.org/contacts/
Please note that the first website states they will not review or respond to complaints sent via their contact form, so the choice is yours.
They suggest sending complaints via the license seal on the casino's website, but as I said earlier, I don't see it. You can contact BetPanda support and ask them how to view their license and seal.
I have noticed a negative change in Askgamblers recently. They are rejecting more and more complaints lately without any valid reason. Seems they just want to protect some casinos, or just don't have enough manpower and randomly rejecting cases because of it.
I myself have had some cases rejected by Askgamblers without any idea why.
And regarding Anjouan, I can tell you they are just as bad as Curacao for player protection: I have made a complaint to them about 2 months ago. After their initial automated email saying they received my complaint, they have let me know nothing at all. Despite several reminder emails. Complete silence. They only care about collecting license fees.
I feel for you TIHGO, this is scandalous behaviour from Betpanda. Luckily I never joined Betpanda althoug I was considering it for a while, but after this case I definitely won't be signing up. Betpanda deserves to be on the blacklist everywhere.
Hi,
Does anybody know what Whale tokens are worth? I got 800 of them, are they worth anything and what can I do with it? I tried to bet with them but it seems they cannot be used for betting?
Does anybody know what Whale tokens are worth? I got 800 of them, are they worth anything and what can I do with it? I tried to bet with them but it seems they cannot be used for betting?
Still zero solution, they have confiscated 2 out of my 3 deposits. Not only winnings, but also deposits. Then they are ignoring 30 out of 30 emails over the span of 2,5 months.
Their customer support is NON EXISTING, this website is an absolute SCAM!! Do not deposit your funds in here, they will confiscate it without a reason and ignore all your emails.
Their customer support is NON EXISTING, this website is an absolute SCAM!! Do not deposit your funds in here, they will confiscate it without a reason and ignore all your emails.
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Hey Evo, I just made a deposit (new player) and I see you have betting limits of just $100 across all sports and games?
Is this temporary or forever? It's very low especially on the big sports like NBA, Champions League and Premier League.
Is this temporary or forever? It's very low especially on the big sports like NBA, Champions League and Premier League.