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Re: Powercolor Myst 7870 (Tahiti LE) Running hot stock clocks
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JackBits
on 25/04/2013, 23:57:38 UTC
Get Trixx for complete voltage and clock control.

https://www.sapphireselectclub.com/ssc/TriXX/
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Re: Low Hash Rate After Gaming
by
JackBits
on 25/04/2013, 22:23:41 UTC
Thanks for the replies. Seems like its an issue then between cgminer and windows/drivers.
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Re: Powercolor Myst 7870 (Tahiti LE) Running hot stock clocks
by
JackBits
on 25/04/2013, 08:04:02 UTC
They've disabled overvolting in afterburner and you have to jump through alot of hoops to get it working - search engine it and there are guides. In addition, some cards are now voltage locked.

As for the high temps, its possible(but not likely) you got a bad thermal paste job, or have an airflow problem.

80 is really not so horrible. My old 8800GT once hit 130 C and lived to tell about it. My old x1950 used to run regularly at 100C when gaming, 75 at idle. I ran that card 24/7 for 6 years straight - it still works. Modern GPU's can really take some heat. They're usually obsolete long before they burn out. I had a Radeon 9800 pro that I bought back in 2003. That card burned out in 2010 only because the thermal paste dried out and the GPU fried. But now I'm rambling like Grandpa Simpson.

My new 7850 runs at 62 C full load (1050/1300 @1.075v) though it has the XFX double dissipation cooler on it. The XFX Double D cooler models are the only ones now with a lifetime warranty.
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Low Hash Rate After Gaming
by
JackBits
on 25/04/2013, 07:28:34 UTC
When I go back to the desktop after gaming and start cgminer, I get really low hash rates in the single digits (usually get well over 350k for scrypt). If I reboot, all returns to normal. Of course its a pain to have to reboot to switch from gaming to mining, so I'd rather not have to do this. Seems like the video card is not being restored after the games are shut down. I tried the GPU restart in cgminer, but it didn't help. Anyone know what might be causing the issue or have this happen?

Here are system details:
Games this happens with: Stalker Pripyat, Call of Juarez, Battlefield 3, maybe others
Video Card: XFX 7850 Double D 1GB
Drivers:13.1 Catalyst
Windows 7 Ultimate, DX 11
CPU: E8400 @ 3GHz
RAM: 3GB (Max MB will run reliably)
MB: Gigabyte P35-DS3L
cgminer 2.11.4
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Re: scrypt mining with 7870 help needed
by
JackBits
on 25/04/2013, 07:15:36 UTC
I've got a 7850. Out of the box it did 250Kh/s. After some tweaking its now averaging 360Kh/s. I think max it would do is 380 headless. So a 7870 should easily hit these values. But alas its not always so easy.

Maybe try a driver cleaner and then install the 13.1 catalyst (App SDK is included)

I'm using afterburner to OC.
No Overvolting
Core Clock: 1050
Mem Clock: 1300
Powertune: +10%
Temperature: 62 C

These are my cgminer 2.11.4 settings:
Code:
"intensity" : "16",
"worksize" : "256",
"lookup-gap" : "0",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"thread-concurrency" : "8192",
"shaders" : "0",
"expiry" : "120",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"device" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "1",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"failover-only" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "60",
"scrypt" : true

Your results may vary. Set either shaders or thread concurrency, but not both. I would suggest thread concurrency at 8192. Higher worksize can sometimes increase hash rate. Do the setx commands. Start the intensity at 12 and work up. Make sure there are no other apps running that might steal GPU cycles. Make sure your motherboard FSB and PCIe bus speeds are set properly. Aero can be enabled - some report disabling it can reduce performance. Thats all I can think of right now. Give us more details and maybe we can figure it out. Good Luck.
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Re: 7850 on older motherboard
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 08:52:29 UTC
I have a 7850 in a PCIe 1.1 x16 slot on a socket 775 MB with 3GB RAM and E8400 CPU @ 3GHz. Its pulling 360 Kh/s avg. So it works quite well.
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 02:47:53 UTC
I see what you mean, the fact it returns all hashrates in Mh/s regardless of using scrypt limits the precision I can get. I have to then take the number I receive and multiply it by 1000 to display the correct Kh/s. That is something that would need to be changed in CGMiner. I don't want to try to maintain a branch of that if I make changes to it (because I believe it is still being actively developed), but you can request the change with the CGMiner developer. It doesn't have to send the hashrate in Kh/s... it could just send more numbers after the decimal.

Yeah, maybe he can change it to 4 decimal places, which would give us 1 decimal place when converting to kh/s. Of course this would cause a problem with Mh/s, which would then have to be truncated or rounded so as not to be unsightly Smiley. Ideally, cgminer should check the algo being used and return the appropriate precision. Maybe I'll post a request over in the cgminer thread. Thanks!
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 02:20:35 UTC
Ok, I found the problem. I didn't realize CGMiner would change the names of the values it sent back. By default it sends back "mhs 5s=X" (where X is the GPU's Mh/s). You have it set to one second instead of five, so it is sending back "mhs 1s=X". That is not what I was expecting. I've changed it so no matter what the rate is set, it will receive the hashrate correctly.

Sorry but you'll have to download again. Same link. Let me know if that doesn't work, and thanks again for the help.

Not a problem - thank you.

Works now (yay!!!)

http://i.imgur.com/VCUmtSc.png


OK, not to be picky, but I guess the API is only returning 2 decimal places, which isn't an issue when dealing with Mh/s, but with Kh/s we lose a digit - any way to get more? Not really a big deal though, so don't worry about it too much. Thank you again for your work.
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 01:52:17 UTC
JackBits: That is troubling, hashrates are showing correct on mine when I use scrypt.

Can you go to the Tests tab and in the Diagnostic textbox at the bottom, enter this text: (it will vary depending on how many GPUs you have)

One GPU:
gpu|0

Two GPUs:
gpu|0,gpu|1

Three GPUs:
gpu|0,gpu|1,gpu|2

and so on. Click Run and text will load into the large Results textbox. Copy that text and paste it here, or email it to me?

GuiltySpark343: Thanks

Thanks for your reply. It must be something on my end then. I notice the values below are in MHS, instead of KHS. Also to note I am not passing any values from CGWatcher in the arguments box, I'm using a conf. Shouldn't matter though, if the API is picking up the values.

Result from gpu|0:
Code:
STATUS=S,When=1366681768,Code=17,Msg=GPU0,Description=cgminer 2.11.4,GPU=0,Enabled=Y,Status=Alive,Temperature=62.00,Fan Speed=2536,Fan Percent=53,GPU Clock=1050,Memory Clock=1300,GPU Voltage=1.075,GPU Activity=97,Powertune=10,MHS av=0.35,MHS 1s=0.36,Accepted=646,Rejected=0,Hardware Errors=0,Utility=1.77,Intensity=16,Last Share Pool=0,Last Share Time=1366681755,Total MH=7743.7911,Diff1 Work=124251,Difficulty Accepted=124251.00000000,Difficulty Rejected=0.00000000,Last Share Difficulty=232.00000000,Last Valid Work=0,
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 01:34:22 UTC
Oversight on my part. I updated the file on Dropbox so if you download it again you'll get the fixed version showing correct scrypt hashrates.

I'll post a new MD5 and VirusTotal report as well. Thanks for the feedback.

We're getting closer but still no cigar. Units are now correct but value is still 0.

http://i.imgur.com/9PHGinn.png
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Re: Consolidated Litecoin Mining Guide for 5xxx, 6xxx, and 7xxx GPUs
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 01:13:01 UTC
...snip...

Thanks.. will these settings work in cgminer?

Yes, these are from my conf, but your results may vary. You may want to start with intensity at 13 and work up.
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Re: Consolidated Litecoin Mining Guide for 5xxx, 6xxx, and 7xxx GPUs
by
JackBits
on 23/04/2013, 01:01:12 UTC
Can someone copy paste their cgminer config file for 7850 to get 300+?

I have an XFX 7850 Double D 1GB. I'm averaging 360Kh/s with the following:

No Overvolting
Core Clock: 1050
Mem Clock: 1300
Temperature: 62 C

Code:
"intensity" : "16",
"worksize" : "256",
"lookup-gap" : "0",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"thread-concurrency" : "8192",
"shaders" : "0",
"expiry" : "120",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"device" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "1",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"failover-only" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "60",
"scrypt" : true

Voltage seems to be locked. Voltage reported by GPU-z is 1.075. Memory won't go any higher without crashing. Thread concurrency won't go any higher without problems. I did the setx stuff, didn't make any difference whatsoever. I get high discard rates (50-200%), but low rejects and stales. Efficiency is around 140%.
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 22/04/2013, 23:53:38 UTC
Thank you for the new version. I just downloaded it, but its still showing "Current Total Hashrate" as 0 for Litecoin mining. The graph is flatlined.

Edit: The units on the graph are now correct in Kh/s, but the units on the top for current and avg are showing h/s. The value for avg is displaying correctly, but the value for current is 0.

I'm using cgminer 2.11.4, Full access.

http://i.imgur.com/Ri9A0JI.png
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 17/04/2013, 22:09:34 UTC
Hi JackBits, thanks again for your reply.

This is how I would describe the crash: The screen flickers black for a moment and then back to the desktop, there's then a pop up that says something along the lines of "Your display driver crashed and has recovered...".

The fans are running fine on auto-fan and the temperatures are good (~70 degrees) when it crashes, it doesn't seem to be temperature related. It's not overclocked (stock 925/1250), but I've tried lowering the clock speeds and it still crashes the display driver. I've also tried playing with the intensity with no success. The power has not been disturbed and I've checked on it to make sure.

I've tried reinstalling the drivers, I will reseat them and then reinstall both cgminer and the drivers and then report back. As I said it's very strange as nothing has changed as far as I can tell, and they've been running fine for over a week or so on intensity 19 and with various overclocks. It seems I can't post outside of the newbie section of the forum yet.

Again, thanks.

OK, I've had this happen quite often. In my case it was related to thread concurrency and intensity. These values can vary depending on which card you have. Post your card details and settings in a new topic, since we're off topic here. Or check the cgminer thread for the settings for your card.
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 17/04/2013, 17:07:40 UTC
Hi again guys, I'm having another issue I hope someone here might be able to help me out with.

After a couple of minutes of mining cgminer crashes my display driver. The driver then quickly recovers but mining is interrupted and it takes some time for cgwatcher to realise and try restarting cgminer.

Has anyone had this display driver crashing issue? And does anyone have any ideas of how to fix it? I've tried changing my drivers and tweaking the intensity but nothing seems to work.

A key point to make is up until this afternoon it's been working fine for roughly a week. The only thing thats happened since it was working correctly (cgminer running for hours upon hours without crashing) is I've unplugged one of my hard drives (the one where cgminer is located), plugged it into another computer and back again.

Cheers

What type of crash is it (black screen, windows popup error etc) ?

Is the fan running at a good RPM? How are the card temperatures? Is it overclocked? Were any of the power connectors disturbed while disconnecting/reconnecting the hard drive? Try reseating them. Also try reinstalling cgminer and the display drivers. Check over in the cgminer and maybe hardware sections and post this question there once you have enough posts.
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Re: High Discard Rate
by
JackBits
on 16/04/2013, 00:46:37 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I think the card is getting plenty of power, although I may check that as a last resort.

I've played with the thread concurrency a bit:
8000 didn't make any difference.
4096 I get HW Errors.
Any higher than 8192 and I get black screen and the card crashes.

I did the setx stuff.

I'm trying yet another pool now to see if that will make any difference. Will report back.

Update: The other pool seems to be having server issues(wemineltc), so not good for testing right now. I'm still at a loss.
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 15/04/2013, 21:38:29 UTC
...snip...

Hi JackBits, thanks for the help.

The problem was I had 2>logfile.txt in my miner arguments. Everything is working fine now.

Thats great. Glad I could help. Here is the workaround if you want to log to a text file while using CGWatcher:
(Hopefully the author of CGWatcher can fix this in a future update)

Create a cgminer.cmd(or name it whatever) file with the following line in it:
cgminer.exe 2>logfile.txt

Then point CGWatcher to the cmd file instead of to the cgminer.exe in the Path box on the Settings tab.

I tested this by using a .conf file with the rest of the settings in it that I had in the cmd line previously - not sure if it will work if you have any arguments in the CGWatcher box, but they may propogate through.

Hope this helps.


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Re: High Discard Rate
by
JackBits
on 15/04/2013, 14:56:00 UTC
That is not normal.

What is your OS, CPU, video card, video driver version and how much Watt does your PSU output? How hot does the GPU get and how are you cooling it?

Thanks for your reply. Here is more info:

OS: Windows 7 32bit
CPU: E8400 @ 3GHz
Vid Card: XFX 7850 DD 1GB
PSU:OCZ 600w ModXtreme Pro
Vid Driver: 13.1 catalyst
GPU Temp: 60 C at full load
Core Clock: 1045
Mem Clock: 1310
GPU Usage:99%
No Overvolting
Stock XFX Double D Cooler (2 fans, copper pipes etc)
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High Discard Rate
by
JackBits
on 15/04/2013, 14:39:07 UTC
I'm using CGWatcher 1.1.2 with cgminer 2.11.4 and I noticed that alot of my work is being thrown away. I have about 2x as many "Discarded" as "Accepted". I assume the discards are caused by the GPU not getting the work done fast enough before the server moves to the next block.

Here are some details:
Code:
Video Card: Radeon HD 7850 DD
Hash Rate(Litecoin) : 363 Kh/s
Accepted...............1377
Rejected...............91
Hardware Errors........0
Stale...0
Discarded...2382
worksize: 256
thread concurrency:8192
intensity:15-17 depending on desktop usage
Efficiency: 115%
Utility(shares/min):2.53

Mining Statistics:
Mining duration............... 9 hrs, 12 min, 55 sec              
Current accepted work rate.... 0.042/sec (2.530/min)
Current discarded work rate... 0.073/sec (4.359/min)
Current rejected work rate.... 0.003/sec (0.166/min)
Current stale work rate....... 0.000/sec (0.000/min)

Network statistics:
Times Sent.................... 1,495
Bytes Sent.................... 169,526
Times Received................ 2,702
Bytes Received................ 830,288
Net Bytes Sent................ 169,526
Net Bytes Received............ 830,288

I've tried a couple different pools, but still high discards.

Is this normal? Is there any way to minimize the number of discards? Would worksize make a difference? Is it a network latency issue? Anything suggestions for what I can tweak to improve this would be appreciated.

Edit Update: I switched to another pool and discard rate has dropped from 200% down to 60%, so I think a large part of the problem was the pool.

Edit Update 2: Saw over in the cgminer thread that discards are "meaningless" which is why it was removed from the cgminer screen. So I guess there isn't anything that can be done about it. I think its related to hash rate - seems the lower the hash the more discards. This would make sense because the miner can't keep up with the pool. The pool moves on to a new block while the miner is still working on the old one, so the work gets tossed, if I understand things correctly.
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Re: If you mine with CGMiner, try CGWatcher, a GUI/monitor to help minimize downtime
by
JackBits
on 15/04/2013, 13:53:29 UTC
Hi, this software looks great. I'm just having a slight problem getting it up and running, I wondered if you or anyone here could help?

When I click "Start" the cmd window running CGMiner flashes up briefly but then closes. I have the correct miner arguments set and the relevant software installed (.NET etc).

When I click "Stop" CGWatcher tells me "I only have read-only access to CGMiner...". I think it could be to do with this? I am running both programs as administrator and as far as I can tell both have all the relevant permissions.

Many thanks

If the cmd window disappears right away, this is usually caused because an error occured. Double check the command line arguments. Make sure cgminer will run fine by itself first with the same command line - run it from a .cmd or .bat file or use the conf instead. Note that the command line argument to output to a log file(2>logfile.txt) will cause this with CGWatcher(I have a workaround for this - let me know if you need it and I will give details).

The permission issue might be related to the api-allow argument.