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EFL is almost dead.
And nobody cares.
Because in the Netherlands nobody even knows EFL exists.
Almost all people wanting to do something for the coin are kicked out for having their own opinion.
So no problem.
There's life without EFL and you're right you leave now.
I want to say one thing: At the end you are the only one in the six years the coin existed, who really tried to do something.
Everbody else was talking and talking and talking and talking. But no action and no results at all.
You did things. Be proud of it!
And nobody cares.
Because in the Netherlands nobody even knows EFL exists.
Almost all people wanting to do something for the coin are kicked out for having their own opinion.
So no problem.
There's life without EFL and you're right you leave now.
I want to say one thing: At the end you are the only one in the six years the coin existed, who really tried to do something.
Everbody else was talking and talking and talking and talking. But no action and no results at all.
You did things. Be proud of it!
Nice video. But EFL.NL stopped working about a year ago when some fool introduced ads on the homepage, likely to make some real money. Starting on that moment you only get a turning symbol when you try to start your wallet. I reported it around 5 times to the so called "devs" but nothing happened. Not even an answer, as usual. I lost a lot of EFL in 5 destroyed EFL.NL wallets so please remove this shit before it makes more victims. It's a very bad way to promote EFL.
Congratulations everybody, today EFL celebrates it's first successfull lustrum!
Let's see what the next 5 years will bring.
Let's see what the next 5 years will bring.
Great. So the 5 people who have EFL in portfolio at this moment will have a party? So 5 beer for the whole community!. If you and your foundation continue to screw up everything you to start, nothing will happen in the coming 5 years. Just as nothing happened in the last 5 years. Maybe it helps If you stop to declare everybody as your personal enemy. Maybe you guys should stop to hate (yes it's pure hate!) everybody who tells what you're doing wrong with e-Gulden and how it can be done successfully. And that is a lot. Almost everything you do. Only the technical part is sound.
I'm convinced that a team of people with a basic knowledge of marketing (so not you and your foundation) can make a big success of e-Gulden within a year. There's a huge demand for crypto in the Netherlands. Look at the brilliant move of Gulden.com to work together with the largest weblog in the Netherlands. Rijk Plasman knows what he's doing. You don't. You make some gitding and think people need that. Come on. Wake up!
Do something! Not just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. And then start to talk and talk and talk and talk. But no talking with any people outside your little cosy community....
But as long as you kick out everybody who knows what should be done en who wants to help you, e-Gulden is doomed. You know it. You're not the fool you pretend to be!
If there are no updates the information again? There seems to be a lot in the last month, i saw the most of the post here from you, do you not intend to establish a community? It will be very good for the growth of your projects .
So, even with the limited means there are available, EFL managed again to take the current situation and try and make something out of it. I wrote a small article about how EFL doesn't need to grow it's community, but the current community should start to show some love for EFL. The sentiment in our coin needs to change and by showing people the possibilities of what EFL could bring I hope to achieve that.
This might also be seen as a way to advertise for my blog, I'm very curious if our rising price might attrackt some new readers, you are all invited to read why this coin deserves a lot more attention then what it is getting today: https://sgulden.webnode.nl/l/eflove/
who cares? Maybe you and the other four guys posessing together with you 98% of the EFL coins.
But nobody else will.
EFL is dead in the Netherlands. Just killed by stupidity.
And you know it but you want to get rid of your worthless EFLcoins. And that's something everybody will understand.
Nobody is impressed by your pump.
First shop to accept EFL as payment: http://www.wittetafel.nl/contact.htm
Yeah, Seems Yoshi bought himself a furniture shop. So he can spend his own cute little coin in his own cute little shop.
Must be fun to own 90% of a coin!
BTW, eGulden and this shop seem to have the same 6 year old webdesigner!
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Life ain't easy when you have millions and millions of shitcoins and nobody wants te have them anymore
This story about blaming the whole world for the shit you made of your own life and this so called "coin" is really, really fun.
Ever thought about the situation you screwed up the whole thing?
Maybe take a short look at yourself? Do you have a mirror? Just take a look! There you see the only guy you have to blame.
Bittrex is absolutely right delisting your scam. It should be done years ago. Before you told people to put money in it.
But your story made my day!
Thanks!
This story about blaming the whole world for the shit you made of your own life and this so called "coin" is really, really fun.
Ever thought about the situation you screwed up the whole thing?
Maybe take a short look at yourself? Do you have a mirror? Just take a look! There you see the only guy you have to blame.
Bittrex is absolutely right delisting your scam. It should be done years ago. Before you told people to put money in it.
But your story made my day!
Thanks!
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Message on Bittrex, as long expected:
The BTC-EFL market will be delisted on 10/26/2018
Great job Yoshi! You really made it!
Now you can buy them all! Congrats!
Glad your rudeness made me stop investing in your cute little coin. Thanks for that
The BTC-EFL market will be delisted on 10/26/2018
Great job Yoshi! You really made it!
Now you can buy them all! Congrats!
Glad your rudeness made me stop investing in your cute little coin. Thanks for that
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Hai, look at that 1700 for EFL!.
Yoshi Livo is pumping his cute little personal coin again.... Does your "Liberland fairytale" need your money again?
How long will it take until you have over 10 million EFL? a few months? Half a year? Or are you already there?
Go for it, Yoshi!. Besides you, nobody has any belief in your coin. In the end, you will own them all.
Yoshi Livo is pumping his cute little personal coin again....
Does your "Liberland fairytale" need your money again? How long will it take until you have over 10 million EFL? a few months? Half a year? Or are you already there?
Go for it, Yoshi!. Besides you, nobody has any belief in your coin. In the end, you will own them all.
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Introducing crypto to the world is difficult. Generally spoken bringing a big change to the people takes an awfull lot of time. Every psychologist can tell you people have to be involved to adopt a change. They have op be told what the advantage for them is. Again and again. They have to see the advantage. They have to feel it. They have to trust the messenger and the product. So messenger and product need to have a perfect trackrecord. That gives you at least a small chance to succeed. Otherwise nobody will even try to trust you.
But look at your cryptoworld: A bunch of nerds, shouting their coin is the best and every other coin is a shitcoin. People who believe in fairy tales like "liberland" and think that their weird dreams will persuade the rest of the world. No marketing, no promotion, not even trying to persuade other people.
looking at the trackrecords: Well, if the price is almost on the all-time low of 4,5 years, then you should understand you're doing something wrong. Very wrong.
looking at the messengers: same story. Face it guys, you've failed. Ask a few people for help who really know what to do! It's not rocket-science, but it's a lot more than you do.
eGulden and Guldencoin are doomed. Both. Nobody believes after 4 years of failure something will change. Price will go lower and lower, up to zero. Where they belong. Only Yoshy tries to convince himself permanently but that's logical if you have 10m of those shitcoins.
But just go on, believe in fairies. They're so cute and nice to read in this cruel world for mature people.
Or say: Let's do it! it's late but not impossible. But we have to do something. Something else we did for 4,5 year! Let's do it now! Let's forget those %#$%#( smartphone and computer screen and let's start talking to real people.
It will be a new experience for you. But it will be worth it.
It won't happen, I'm afraid. Sad!
But look at your cryptoworld: A bunch of nerds, shouting their coin is the best and every other coin is a shitcoin. People who believe in fairy tales like "liberland" and think that their weird dreams will persuade the rest of the world. No marketing, no promotion, not even trying to persuade other people.
looking at the trackrecords: Well, if the price is almost on the all-time low of 4,5 years, then you should understand you're doing something wrong. Very wrong.
looking at the messengers: same story. Face it guys, you've failed. Ask a few people for help who really know what to do! It's not rocket-science, but it's a lot more than you do.
eGulden and Guldencoin are doomed. Both. Nobody believes after 4 years of failure something will change. Price will go lower and lower, up to zero. Where they belong. Only Yoshy tries to convince himself permanently but that's logical if you have 10m of those shitcoins.
But just go on, believe in fairies. They're so cute and nice to read in this cruel world for mature people.
Or say: Let's do it! it's late but not impossible. But we have to do something. Something else we did for 4,5 year! Let's do it now! Let's forget those %#$%#( smartphone and computer screen and let's start talking to real people.
It will be a new experience for you. But it will be worth it.
It won't happen, I'm afraid. Sad!
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
The following link is ment for those who complained about the negative impact of give away's. There is now a way how to earn your EFL:
https://www.cryptoklikker.nl/?ref=jr9ZGtD7ufeea9lFlNoVZg
https://www.cryptoklikker.nl/?ref=jr9ZGtD7ufeea9lFlNoVZg
It seems to be very difficult for Yoshi Livo and his "foundation" to get rid of all those free EFL's. Nobody wants them. That's clear. Well, in January the price was 0,45. Now, after the great marketing campaigns (senseless billboard on the A2 with a garden gnome on it, playing the fool on television, giving free money to people for switching on their computer) the crypto world has ever seen, it's 0,06.
A 90% drop in half a year, completely caused by human failure.
Is there any reason (besides Yoshi wants us to do this so he can dump his millions of EFL) to embrace EFL? I don't think so.
I'm still glad nobody wanted to answer my questions so I decided to drop this unsupported coin. Thanks a lot!
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Hi Yoshi, I assume you were drunk or stoned writing this? Or both? Novaexchang doesn't know who Yoshi Livo is. Like almost the rest of the world. And they don't care. Nobody does. Nobody knows EFL exists. Nobody cares. Novaexchange wants the same as you want. Make an awful lot of money. That's the only reason you care You own 50% of EFL (that what I'm told) so it's important for you EFL will survive. Sounds logical. And again nobody cares.
With a daily volume of 0,5 to 1 BTC on Bittrex it's a question of time your nice little coin will be delisted. And they're totally right. Face it. EFL is dead. That so-called foundation of you is dead. The only thing they do is give their EFL away for free as long as someone wants to have it. And then you try to convince yourself and the world it has value! Of course, it has. In your imagination. And in your fairy-country Liberland :-)
So wake up. Nobody wants your coin anymore. Just a few months and it's delisted worldwide. Just a matter of time. And nobody will care.
With a daily volume of 0,5 to 1 BTC on Bittrex it's a question of time your nice little coin will be delisted. And they're totally right. Face it. EFL is dead. That so-called foundation of you is dead. The only thing they do is give their EFL away for free as long as someone wants to have it. And then you try to convince yourself and the world it has value! Of course, it has. In your imagination. And in your fairy-country Liberland :-)
So wake up. Nobody wants your coin anymore. Just a few months and it's delisted worldwide. Just a matter of time. And nobody will care.
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Yoshi Livo, chairman of e-Gulden, aka King e-Gulden, is dumping his coins almost in panic.
He's absolutely right to save his money and to leave the sinking ship.
A coin the founders give away for free has no value at all.
I'm glad I never joined this scam.
go for it, Yoshi.
He's absolutely right to save his money and to leave the sinking ship.
A coin the founders give away for free has no value at all.
I'm glad I never joined this scam.
go for it, Yoshi.
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
After being pissed-off by Yoshi Livo and his little friends, I decided to drop this EFL coin.
I tried NLG for a very short time but they are just as stubborn and customer-unfriendly as the people here.
EFL and NLG are doomed. There's no Dutch cryptocoin having even a small chance to survive.
Well, EFL is now on place 776 of coinmarktcap. So you guys have done a great job lately :-) Gained a lot of trusts with your billboard. :-)
Maybe it's good to realize that the proper way to go on coinmarketcap is to a lower number and not trying to go as high as possible.
I understand now why you give this crab for free to everyone who just wants to have it!
When is your delisting on the exchanges planned?
See you at coinmarketcap number 1000!
I tried NLG for a very short time but they are just as stubborn and customer-unfriendly as the people here.
EFL and NLG are doomed. There's no Dutch cryptocoin having even a small chance to survive.
Well, EFL is now on place 776 of coinmarktcap. So you guys have done a great job lately :-) Gained a lot of trusts with your billboard. :-)
Maybe it's good to realize that the proper way to go on coinmarketcap is to a lower number and not trying to go as high as possible.
I understand now why you give this crab for free to everyone who just wants to have it!
When is your delisting on the exchanges planned?
See you at coinmarketcap number 1000!
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
let me add one more thing to your EFL guys.
If cars were sold in the way you people try to sell your cryptomoney, it would look something like:
"the 4,56" screw in the cylinder make a perfect mixture of gas and oxygen so a partial combustion will take place in 0,0000575 sec producing a driving force of 0,045234 newton on the cranck." YOU SEE, YOU NEED THIS CAR! Sign here, please!
Stop thinking the whole world studied rocketscience like you did. They didn't. Don't tell everybody there the most stupid people in the world. Don't insult everybody you can find!
Build yourself a good team with skilled people. People who understand the principles of marketing, promotion and psychology (This is by far the most important skill you need to persuade people if you want to introduce something big like new a new kind of money) Buy yourself some books about persuading people. It's important.
Don't think all people who don't understand your geekspeak are stupid. They're not. They just don't understand a word of what your saying or writing. They don't understand a word of your extremely-difficult-to-read website. They don't understand what you try to do or try to say.
And that's the reason your EFL coin is almost finished.
No technical problems. Just not knowing how to deal with normal people. Especially non-technical people. Believe me. There's a world outside internet. Those people aren't connected to a keyboard. Those people don't have an usb3.0 port integrated in their skull. Those people are not connected to a blockchain.
They're just ordinairy people. Happy people.
So, leave your ivory tower. Go outside. Look at those happy people ! You need those people to reach your goal!!!!!!!
It's likely it's too late for EFL to survive. Maybe when you act very fast. Maybe. Not likely.
Face it. This way you're killing the coin. And fast! I don't know why you try to do that. But you do!
The Netherlands need good coin. But that's not NLG. That's obvious. But it's not EFL too. Maybe someone in the next future will start a coin that's directed to normal people.
I'll wait buying EFL Maybe later. If it survives
Good luck!
Joris
If cars were sold in the way you people try to sell your cryptomoney, it would look something like:
"the 4,56" screw in the cylinder make a perfect mixture of gas and oxygen so a partial combustion will take place in 0,0000575 sec producing a driving force of 0,045234 newton on the cranck." YOU SEE, YOU NEED THIS CAR! Sign here, please!
Stop thinking the whole world studied rocketscience like you did. They didn't. Don't tell everybody there the most stupid people in the world. Don't insult everybody you can find!
Build yourself a good team with skilled people. People who understand the principles of marketing, promotion and psychology (This is by far the most important skill you need to persuade people if you want to introduce something big like new a new kind of money) Buy yourself some books about persuading people. It's important.
Don't think all people who don't understand your geekspeak are stupid. They're not. They just don't understand a word of what your saying or writing. They don't understand a word of your extremely-difficult-to-read website. They don't understand what you try to do or try to say.
And that's the reason your EFL coin is almost finished.
No technical problems. Just not knowing how to deal with normal people. Especially non-technical people. Believe me. There's a world outside internet. Those people aren't connected to a keyboard. Those people don't have an usb3.0 port integrated in their skull. Those people are not connected to a blockchain.
They're just ordinairy people. Happy people.
So, leave your ivory tower. Go outside. Look at those happy people ! You need those people to reach your goal!!!!!!!
It's likely it's too late for EFL to survive. Maybe when you act very fast. Maybe. Not likely.
Face it. This way you're killing the coin. And fast! I don't know why you try to do that. But you do!
The Netherlands need good coin. But that's not NLG. That's obvious. But it's not EFL too. Maybe someone in the next future will start a coin that's directed to normal people.
I'll wait buying EFL Maybe later. If it survives
Good luck!
Joris
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
I wrote something today, it is not on the forum, but for joris' sake i will put it there in 2 days, so we wont have a month without posts, but when Joris writes here you get a reaction within too much time passing, there must be someone who shows interest in this coin, right?
Thanks Joris, for coming back, but unfortunately you make the same mistake as all other naysayers before your presence.
You make the same mistake they other guy makes. Someone who doesn't agree with you is stupid. That's it. You make the mistakes. Not the people who don't understand a word of what yoy try to say.
You see, EFL is a cryptocoin with OERU shield implemented. This means it is like a weed, it's not easy to get rid of it and very secure without the need of endless powerconsumption. Our lauch was actually one of the biggest in crypto history 4 years ago many people where really impressed, unfortunately the intentions of our founder where not what we've all hoped it would be, but for me, as a trader, it was the perfect opportunity to make EFL into more then just a coin to trade.
If this is all you achieved in 4 years, you should be very ashamed. Every compnay would go broke. To kick your fouundationteam and put them to work!
I want to show to all the sheeple that crypto is a stronger means of saving the fruits of your labour then traditional fiat. What better way to pick a coin that was declared dead by 99% of its community? Even when everybody believes a coin is doomed it can still outperform the "stable" euro, I made 45000% on EFL in 4 years time.
Why don't you see everybody is quite happy with the euro? It has no problem at all.
The reason why there is no trade in EFL is because at these levels all coins have been traded. Nobody wants to pay more then needed for it's coins and me too prefers to catch them cheap. People in NLD are asleep, or blinded by the marketing of NLG. Oeh wow, you can buy a sandwich with crypto, really? The reason why im not with NLG is because at launch, they promised a inflationproces like most crypto's, with blockhalvings at certain block numbers. I thought their 1.6B total coins where going to surpress the price that i could buy them after a year or 3 for cheap, but unfortunately NLG, like EFL, did not keep it's promise. The only difference is that they sell it in a better way, but going to 100 coins for the next 50 + years made me descide i pick up those coins when bitcoin hit a million bucks in 25 years or so and they still poop out 30K coins per day.
NLG is no coin for me. I don't trust them. I thought EFL could do the job but the only thing they do is telling me i'm stupid because i don't understand geekspeak.
Anyway, let's not get too much offtopic, because afterall we are talking about EFL here. I didnt read all your post because it is long and you didnt use quotations which makes reading not so appealing, and frankly, i've got something better to do then read about how what i am doing is wrong. The person who you try to insult by writing about our website is not me, let me put that out first. he actually made www.efl.nl the website of egulden.org and many more things actually, what have you done to contribute to our project, or do you just want to spread negativity like all the other people that try to claim this coin isn't worth any of their money?
I'm new, you know? What coontribution could y have done? I even didn't know you existed because nobody wants to tell.
Like the other guy: Leave your ivory tower. Try to speak to normal people. It will be an eye-opener for you.
But the both of you convinced me: EFL is dead.
The best advertisement is mouth to mouth and that is why distribution of efl's goes in the way it goes. at the rate that we are handing them out is will take about 3 years to get rid of those things, we are now half year underway and you are free to invite everybody to our airdrop. I do not really understand why you want to portray it as if we are trying to keep those coins ourselves, we've been buying them with bitcoinprices under 1000$ and mining them in a network of under 10GH/s, believe me, I got plenty of coins and give them away on a regular basis when I got a good connection with somebody that understands how I feel, what you think of this EFL song someone put on my timeline the other day? https://www.facebook.com/yoshilivo/posts/2096865053934096
I tell you how i see it, and then you can tell me I'm crazy, does that sound like a good deal to you? Here we go:
A good financial product does not need selling or advertisement, it will sell itself. We do not need to beg or pay shops to accept our currency, instead what we need is a community that is willing to use the coin. I think you would be crazy if you buy stuff with your crypto, i did it a couple of times, payed .14 btc for a sandwich once, or bought 35 anonymous masks for 1 btc, it's not that i regret these actions, but I learned that crypto should be used in a different matter. When we got enough community that participate in our economy there will come people who try to seduce you into spending that money with them, because they have some product or service they want to try and make money of you.
For the sake of my rest at night i will quit it here, because i've said all these thing a million times before and will probably have to repeat them a millions times over, but i got kind of an interesting weekend ahead of me, so if you excuse me, i got something better to do then talking to somebody that is trying to tell me my life is a joke. Ow before i forget, here is that story i started my post with, enjoy! https://sgulden.webnode.nl/l/doubts/
Thanks Joris, for coming back, but unfortunately you make the same mistake as all other naysayers before your presence.
You make the same mistake they other guy makes. Someone who doesn't agree with you is stupid. That's it. You make the mistakes. Not the people who don't understand a word of what yoy try to say.
You see, EFL is a cryptocoin with OERU shield implemented. This means it is like a weed, it's not easy to get rid of it and very secure without the need of endless powerconsumption. Our lauch was actually one of the biggest in crypto history 4 years ago many people where really impressed, unfortunately the intentions of our founder where not what we've all hoped it would be, but for me, as a trader, it was the perfect opportunity to make EFL into more then just a coin to trade.
If this is all you achieved in 4 years, you should be very ashamed. Every compnay would go broke. To kick your fouundationteam and put them to work!
I want to show to all the sheeple that crypto is a stronger means of saving the fruits of your labour then traditional fiat. What better way to pick a coin that was declared dead by 99% of its community? Even when everybody believes a coin is doomed it can still outperform the "stable" euro, I made 45000% on EFL in 4 years time.
Why don't you see everybody is quite happy with the euro? It has no problem at all.
The reason why there is no trade in EFL is because at these levels all coins have been traded. Nobody wants to pay more then needed for it's coins and me too prefers to catch them cheap. People in NLD are asleep, or blinded by the marketing of NLG. Oeh wow, you can buy a sandwich with crypto, really? The reason why im not with NLG is because at launch, they promised a inflationproces like most crypto's, with blockhalvings at certain block numbers. I thought their 1.6B total coins where going to surpress the price that i could buy them after a year or 3 for cheap, but unfortunately NLG, like EFL, did not keep it's promise. The only difference is that they sell it in a better way, but going to 100 coins for the next 50 + years made me descide i pick up those coins when bitcoin hit a million bucks in 25 years or so and they still poop out 30K coins per day.
NLG is no coin for me. I don't trust them. I thought EFL could do the job but the only thing they do is telling me i'm stupid because i don't understand geekspeak.
Anyway, let's not get too much offtopic, because afterall we are talking about EFL here. I didnt read all your post because it is long and you didnt use quotations which makes reading not so appealing, and frankly, i've got something better to do then read about how what i am doing is wrong. The person who you try to insult by writing about our website is not me, let me put that out first. he actually made www.efl.nl the website of egulden.org and many more things actually, what have you done to contribute to our project, or do you just want to spread negativity like all the other people that try to claim this coin isn't worth any of their money?
I'm new, you know? What coontribution could y have done? I even didn't know you existed because nobody wants to tell.
Like the other guy: Leave your ivory tower. Try to speak to normal people. It will be an eye-opener for you.
But the both of you convinced me: EFL is dead.
The best advertisement is mouth to mouth and that is why distribution of efl's goes in the way it goes. at the rate that we are handing them out is will take about 3 years to get rid of those things, we are now half year underway and you are free to invite everybody to our airdrop. I do not really understand why you want to portray it as if we are trying to keep those coins ourselves, we've been buying them with bitcoinprices under 1000$ and mining them in a network of under 10GH/s, believe me, I got plenty of coins and give them away on a regular basis when I got a good connection with somebody that understands how I feel, what you think of this EFL song someone put on my timeline the other day? https://www.facebook.com/yoshilivo/posts/2096865053934096
I tell you how i see it, and then you can tell me I'm crazy, does that sound like a good deal to you? Here we go:
A good financial product does not need selling or advertisement, it will sell itself. We do not need to beg or pay shops to accept our currency, instead what we need is a community that is willing to use the coin. I think you would be crazy if you buy stuff with your crypto, i did it a couple of times, payed .14 btc for a sandwich once, or bought 35 anonymous masks for 1 btc, it's not that i regret these actions, but I learned that crypto should be used in a different matter. When we got enough community that participate in our economy there will come people who try to seduce you into spending that money with them, because they have some product or service they want to try and make money of you.
For the sake of my rest at night i will quit it here, because i've said all these thing a million times before and will probably have to repeat them a millions times over, but i got kind of an interesting weekend ahead of me, so if you excuse me, i got something better to do then talking to somebody that is trying to tell me my life is a joke. Ow before i forget, here is that story i started my post with, enjoy! https://sgulden.webnode.nl/l/doubts/
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Well Joris, we are happy to answer questions. But to be honest, you should read first. All your questions have been addressed on multiple locations on https://e-gulden.org. But because your questions are so prominent we will give you a hand.
Well, i did. I only found a website egulden.org. It only raises questions like mine but doesn't give any answers. By the way, my questions wher to your chairman yoshi. Who are you? I want to read but i need stuff a norml guy like me does understand. But thanks for your reaction.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Why should anybody want to invest in EFL?
Because it is a community coin. 99% of all transactions are local.
so less volume? Everybody investing in stocks, forex and so on knows that only high volume is giving high prices. So a local coin will always have a lot lot of disadvantages to a worldwide one.
-1 for EFL should i say.
Why bother the world with local transactions. Bitcoin is bloated. Maybe a merchant can handle the top 10 of world-cryptocurrencies, but the top-10 cannot handle the world. A quick display:
Bitcoin capacity (TX/day) 10^6
Top-10 capacity (TX/day) 10^7
World demand (TX/Day) 10^11
Only community coins can offload world demand
Only community coins can expect loyalty
Only community coins can expect local awareness
Only community coin-cummunities can address and reach the entire community
Think for yourself... If you believe in the potential of a dutch crypto-economy it might be smart to invest
In fact you're saying wat say. Good investors spread their money. Over a lot of assets. Over a lot of countries. You put your moey where liquidity is. Where volume is.
-2 for EFL.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
It's there for 4 years now. In that time, absolutely nothing seems to have happened at all.
Appearantly you are new here, so you are forgiven, but please spend some time on reading https://e-Gulden.org.
The guy that made this website should be fired today. it'clumsy and nobody will understand his geekspeak. Please write one in english or dutch (i can read ii pretty well.
I read before i asked my questions to yoshi. But as said before...It only raises more questions. A lot more.
There is enough material to spend weeks of reading.
sure there is!. Please make a summary.
You will discover a battle of a community and a lot of successes due to hard work.
the last post on your forum is 4 weeks old. nuff said.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Price in Sathoshi has hardly changed. There's no trade in it.
e-Gulden is grassroots. There is no infinite marketing budget. In fact there is none. Remember real cryptocurrency is decentralised. Bitcoin has the advantage of being a showcase. But decentralised means there is no central investor since there is no central beneficiary. Most investors act on their own and are anonimous and like to stay that way. Community building is a slow process. It is happening but you most know where to look. How about yourself? Do you want to contribute to make things work or rather wait till success is imminent?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
In the Netherlands nobody has ever heard of EFL . And nobody even tries to tell them EFL exists. How should they know?
Pardon. The EFL network has more than 1000 active corewallets.
Yes. To handle 5 trnsactions a day?
Bitcoin has less than 10.000. You mean you have never heard of EFL?
Indeed. Why should i? because you run so many corewallets? Who wrote about this? What newspaper? Waht magazine? Which website? How should i know? You're that guy who was on television on some bitcoin program? Was that you?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
I read about your foundation. The four people behind that foundation don't believe in it either. They're dumping EFL on the market for free these days. So I understood on your website.
Indeed. You're giving away your stock of EFL for free. They onlu reason for it is yoru 're leaving the ship?
orry, but I personally do not let anybody tell me what I believe in. I suppose that counts for all of us. Be fair.
EFL is not being dumped. The premine is carefully being distributed to as many dutch citizens as is reasonally possible through proof of work.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
i thig there more than a thousand people in holland. How do you reach them? Or is this only for you friends? Again: Show me your ads. show me articles about it. Tell me the newspapers you're in.
Face it. NOBODY knows who you are. Nobody nows EFL exitst.
Well, nobody does something like that if you really believe in your coin, don't you? If it has a real value there're better ways to spend it. You're one of those foundation guys i've seen under a comment. Please tell me why giving away EFL for free to a small group of people is such a good idea.
Well, you confirm my opinion form your site: You're giving away EFL to a very small group of people for free. The rest of the dutch people may pay for it. Your friend get it for free.
The idea behind cryptomoney is decentralisation. No centralisation around one guy and his friends. I bet you never worked at all. One of those very rich first adopters, i presume?
Anybody can participate. We are building a network. EFL is not being sold or dumped. We are addressing personal interest and loyalty. We are not addressing investors in the first place. Decentralisation is our goal.
Your goal is making a small group very rich. No big deal. Every cryptocoin does.
Everybody should have a fair chance to participate. When we would sell it, sure there would be more budget to market and reach investors that might pump the price. We rather seek sympathy and build on loyalty.
If you really would like to have new participants, you go "the boer op" as the say in Ducth. Tell the people who you are. Nobody knows. Tell them what cryptomoney is. May 1000 people in holland know by now. Tell them waht EFL is. Only the people you throw money at know about it.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
In my opinion, giving away things for free tells people it's useless and worthless.
Luckily the free market determines price. Not your opinion. We are not giving EFL away. We let people earn their share.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Please tell us why this foundation of you has no plans or any vision for the future on your website? Do you have any vision or ideas? Where you're heading with your EFL-coin?
This is not a question. It sounds like sheer negative propaganda and it is completely untrue. We offer you weeks of reading and plenty of summaries. Go read https://e-gulden.org/index.php/The_e-gulden_oerushield or http://egulden.org/downloads/A%20response%20to%20the%20already%20notorious%20EBA%20report%20final.pdf and we expect some excuses.
Your readers may expect excuses. Do you really think people can read this? Come on. Give it to an experienced write en let hem do the writing. Let hem translate this dutch/english stuff to real dutch everybody can understand.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Everything on your coin is secret. Why do you hide everything?
That is the exact opposite of the truth. Nothing is hidden except for some private keys.
Ok. Who are you? Where can i meet you? Where's a picture of you? Where's your telephonenumber? When is your next meeting? Do you really exist? are you female? male? Same for they other people. What's your plan? When do you execute i
I read you're coin exists 4 years. Show me a timeline with all the highlights. Btw. A bad company is gone after 4 years...How do you manage to exist at all?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Tell me (or us) about the future of EFL. Show me your plans. They must be there, I suppose. Tell me why I should trust you?
There is no "me" or "us". There is just https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden, a blockchain that is distributed a thousand times and a community that cherishes it. You are welcome to be part of it.
so you admit there's really nothing. Just some computercode. Well, that's the first good answer i get. I like to meet you guys. When and where do you meet? Soms café will do, i suppose? Do you have some office somewhere? No telephone. I like to talk to people face to face. When is the next groupmeeting? and where?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
So i hope you'll answer my questions. Why would I buy EFL on the same moment you guys are dumping it?
Well the answer is there. Judge for yourself, but I suggest you do some homework before you get back
[/quote]
may i suggest some homework too?
1. a book writing text in dutch for dummies
2. websdesign for dummies
3. how to handle people en prospects for dummies
4. marketing for dummies
5. promotion for dummies
6. graphical design for dummies
and then start over. get more people. get more skilled people. Not just millenials like you. There's more on the planet, you know.
face it. This coin is really a total disaster.. It should be forbidden you try to get money from innocent people, not being one your friends. Maybe it has a sound technique...It seems to have,
but a coin needs people, you know? people to use it. People to tell about it. Not just your small group of friends.
a last advice: Don't assume a guy with a lot of good questions didn't read you stuff. I did. I tried, i should say.
Presumptions like that make you look stupid. Not the guy with the questions.
Joris
Well, i did. I only found a website egulden.org. It only raises questions like mine but doesn't give any answers. By the way, my questions wher to your chairman yoshi. Who are you? I want to read but i need stuff a norml guy like me does understand. But thanks for your reaction.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Why should anybody want to invest in EFL?
Because it is a community coin. 99% of all transactions are local.
so less volume? Everybody investing in stocks, forex and so on knows that only high volume is giving high prices. So a local coin will always have a lot lot of disadvantages to a worldwide one.
-1 for EFL should i say.
Why bother the world with local transactions. Bitcoin is bloated. Maybe a merchant can handle the top 10 of world-cryptocurrencies, but the top-10 cannot handle the world. A quick display:
Bitcoin capacity (TX/day) 10^6
Top-10 capacity (TX/day) 10^7
World demand (TX/Day) 10^11
Only community coins can offload world demand
Only community coins can expect loyalty
Only community coins can expect local awareness
Only community coin-cummunities can address and reach the entire community
Think for yourself... If you believe in the potential of a dutch crypto-economy it might be smart to invest
In fact you're saying wat say. Good investors spread their money. Over a lot of assets. Over a lot of countries. You put your moey where liquidity is. Where volume is.
-2 for EFL.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
It's there for 4 years now. In that time, absolutely nothing seems to have happened at all.
Appearantly you are new here, so you are forgiven, but please spend some time on reading https://e-Gulden.org.
The guy that made this website should be fired today. it'clumsy and nobody will understand his geekspeak. Please write one in english or dutch (i can read ii pretty well.
I read before i asked my questions to yoshi. But as said before...It only raises more questions. A lot more.
There is enough material to spend weeks of reading.
sure there is!. Please make a summary.
You will discover a battle of a community and a lot of successes due to hard work.
the last post on your forum is 4 weeks old. nuff said.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Price in Sathoshi has hardly changed. There's no trade in it.
e-Gulden is grassroots. There is no infinite marketing budget. In fact there is none. Remember real cryptocurrency is decentralised. Bitcoin has the advantage of being a showcase. But decentralised means there is no central investor since there is no central beneficiary. Most investors act on their own and are anonimous and like to stay that way. Community building is a slow process. It is happening but you most know where to look. How about yourself? Do you want to contribute to make things work or rather wait till success is imminent?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
In the Netherlands nobody has ever heard of EFL . And nobody even tries to tell them EFL exists. How should they know?
Pardon. The EFL network has more than 1000 active corewallets.
Yes. To handle 5 trnsactions a day?
Bitcoin has less than 10.000. You mean you have never heard of EFL?
Indeed. Why should i? because you run so many corewallets? Who wrote about this? What newspaper? Waht magazine? Which website? How should i know? You're that guy who was on television on some bitcoin program? Was that you?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
I read about your foundation. The four people behind that foundation don't believe in it either. They're dumping EFL on the market for free these days. So I understood on your website.
Indeed. You're giving away your stock of EFL for free. They onlu reason for it is yoru 're leaving the ship?
orry, but I personally do not let anybody tell me what I believe in. I suppose that counts for all of us. Be fair.
EFL is not being dumped. The premine is carefully being distributed to as many dutch citizens as is reasonally possible through proof of work.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
i thig there more than a thousand people in holland. How do you reach them? Or is this only for you friends? Again: Show me your ads. show me articles about it. Tell me the newspapers you're in.
Face it. NOBODY knows who you are. Nobody nows EFL exitst.
Well, nobody does something like that if you really believe in your coin, don't you? If it has a real value there're better ways to spend it. You're one of those foundation guys i've seen under a comment. Please tell me why giving away EFL for free to a small group of people is such a good idea.
Well, you confirm my opinion form your site: You're giving away EFL to a very small group of people for free. The rest of the dutch people may pay for it. Your friend get it for free.
The idea behind cryptomoney is decentralisation. No centralisation around one guy and his friends. I bet you never worked at all. One of those very rich first adopters, i presume?
Anybody can participate. We are building a network. EFL is not being sold or dumped. We are addressing personal interest and loyalty. We are not addressing investors in the first place. Decentralisation is our goal.
Your goal is making a small group very rich. No big deal. Every cryptocoin does.
Everybody should have a fair chance to participate. When we would sell it, sure there would be more budget to market and reach investors that might pump the price. We rather seek sympathy and build on loyalty.
If you really would like to have new participants, you go "the boer op" as the say in Ducth. Tell the people who you are. Nobody knows. Tell them what cryptomoney is. May 1000 people in holland know by now. Tell them waht EFL is. Only the people you throw money at know about it.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
In my opinion, giving away things for free tells people it's useless and worthless.
Luckily the free market determines price. Not your opinion. We are not giving EFL away. We let people earn their share.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Please tell us why this foundation of you has no plans or any vision for the future on your website? Do you have any vision or ideas? Where you're heading with your EFL-coin?
This is not a question. It sounds like sheer negative propaganda and it is completely untrue. We offer you weeks of reading and plenty of summaries. Go read https://e-gulden.org/index.php/The_e-gulden_oerushield or http://egulden.org/downloads/A%20response%20to%20the%20already%20notorious%20EBA%20report%20final.pdf and we expect some excuses.
Your readers may expect excuses. Do you really think people can read this? Come on. Give it to an experienced write en let hem do the writing. Let hem translate this dutch/english stuff to real dutch everybody can understand.
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Everything on your coin is secret. Why do you hide everything?
That is the exact opposite of the truth. Nothing is hidden except for some private keys.
Ok. Who are you? Where can i meet you? Where's a picture of you? Where's your telephonenumber? When is your next meeting? Do you really exist? are you female? male? Same for they other people. What's your plan? When do you execute i
I read you're coin exists 4 years. Show me a timeline with all the highlights. Btw. A bad company is gone after 4 years...How do you manage to exist at all?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
Tell me (or us) about the future of EFL. Show me your plans. They must be there, I suppose. Tell me why I should trust you?
There is no "me" or "us". There is just https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden, a blockchain that is distributed a thousand times and a community that cherishes it. You are welcome to be part of it.
so you admit there's really nothing. Just some computercode. Well, that's the first good answer i get. I like to meet you guys. When and where do you meet? Soms café will do, i suppose? Do you have some office somewhere? No telephone. I like to talk to people face to face. When is the next groupmeeting? and where?
Quote from: JorisGoedbloed on March 13, 2018, 01:12:50 PM
So i hope you'll answer my questions. Why would I buy EFL on the same moment you guys are dumping it?
Well the answer is there. Judge for yourself, but I suggest you do some homework before you get back
[/quote]
may i suggest some homework too?
1. a book writing text in dutch for dummies
2. websdesign for dummies
3. how to handle people en prospects for dummies
4. marketing for dummies
5. promotion for dummies
6. graphical design for dummies
and then start over. get more people. get more skilled people. Not just millenials like you. There's more on the planet, you know.
face it. This coin is really a total disaster.. It should be forbidden you try to get money from innocent people, not being one your friends. Maybe it has a sound technique...It seems to have,
but a coin needs people, you know? people to use it. People to tell about it. Not just your small group of friends.
a last advice: Don't assume a guy with a lot of good questions didn't read you stuff. I did. I tried, i should say.
Presumptions like that make you look stupid. Not the guy with the questions.
Joris
Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden | The Netherlands | Bittrex - cryptopia ea |
Hi there,
I'm new here. I'm looking to invest in cryptocoins. I have a number of btc now but I found out there's a Dutch coin too. It's interesting for a dutchman but i have a lot of questions.
Why should anybody want to invest in EFL? It's there for 4 years now. In that time, absolutely nothing seems to have happened at all. Price in Sathoshi has hardly changed. There's no trade in it. In the Netherlands nobody has ever heard of EFL . And nobody even tries to tell them EFL exists. How should they know?
I read about your foundation. The four people behind that foundation don't believe in it either. They're dumping EFL on the market for free these days. So I understood on your website.
Well, nobody does something like that if you really believe in your coin, don't you? If it has a real value there're better ways to spend it. You're one of those foundation guys i've seen under a comment. Please tell me why giving away EFL for free to a small group of people is such a good idea.
In my opinion, giving away things for free tells people it's useless and worthless. Please tell us why this foundation of you has no plans or any vision for the future on your website? Do you have any vision or ideas? Where you're heading with your EFL-coin? Everything on your coin is secret. Why do you hide everything?
Tell me (or us) about the future of EFL. Show me your plans. They must be there, I suppose. Tell me why I should trust you?
So i hope you'll answer my questions. Why would I buy EFL on the same moment you guys are dumping it?
I'm new here. I'm looking to invest in cryptocoins. I have a number of btc now but I found out there's a Dutch coin too. It's interesting for a dutchman but i have a lot of questions.
Why should anybody want to invest in EFL? It's there for 4 years now. In that time, absolutely nothing seems to have happened at all. Price in Sathoshi has hardly changed. There's no trade in it. In the Netherlands nobody has ever heard of EFL . And nobody even tries to tell them EFL exists. How should they know?
I read about your foundation. The four people behind that foundation don't believe in it either. They're dumping EFL on the market for free these days. So I understood on your website.
Well, nobody does something like that if you really believe in your coin, don't you? If it has a real value there're better ways to spend it. You're one of those foundation guys i've seen under a comment. Please tell me why giving away EFL for free to a small group of people is such a good idea.
In my opinion, giving away things for free tells people it's useless and worthless. Please tell us why this foundation of you has no plans or any vision for the future on your website? Do you have any vision or ideas? Where you're heading with your EFL-coin? Everything on your coin is secret. Why do you hide everything?
Tell me (or us) about the future of EFL. Show me your plans. They must be there, I suppose. Tell me why I should trust you?
So i hope you'll answer my questions. Why would I buy EFL on the same moment you guys are dumping it?