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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 27/02/2021, 09:24:22 UTC
envion-konkurs.ch is your friend. LUP not! Revoke your PoA and stay away from LUP. Transfer your tokens to the liquidator asap
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 08/01/2021, 14:33:17 UTC
These people from Envion Watch are scammers themselves. If you guys want the honest news about the progress, just join the founders telegram and ask all the questions you have.

Many investors are in that group. Lup is set up by the founders to get extra funds for the investors. Check it for yourself in their group.

This is an update on the Envion story

1. Zabivelli is just a paid sheep from the scammers around Michael Luckow. Trado GmbH was a setup (soon in liquidation) and LUP is a scam, even the liquidator confirmed that.

STAY AWAY FROM LUP AND REVOKE YOUR ONCE GIVEN POA WITH THEM!

2. Furthermore, there should be an update on the proceedings by the only source that is relevant right now: the officially appointed liquidator
website: www.envion-konkurs.ch

3. Meanwhile the remaining crypto held hostage by the criminal founders around Michael Luckow was sold the last few days. You can guess, in what pockets it will flow. Hopefully German law enforcement will do what is needed to be done. Bring justice.

4. Refund is under way. It just takes time because the crime gang around Michael Luckow is slowing down on all fronts: liquidation, lawsuits* and with the help of some lawyer buddies. Read more here: https://envionwatch.wordpress.com/2020/12/02/fact-checking-who-or-what-is-delaying-the-envion-liquidation/

(*) all lawsuits against Michael Luckow and his shitty Trado were won by investors to date
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 21/04/2020, 19:55:00 UTC
News from Liquidator.

He recently posted some numbers: 6000 claims, 58m token

source:
www.envion-konkurs.ch/en/latest-news/2020-04-14-current-status-of-proceedings-convening-of-the-first-creditors-meeting/
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 09/12/2019, 17:34:47 UTC
indeed, in my opinion just leave it, why think of envion that is clearly proven to be a scam!
If they want to distribute tokens to bounty hunters they should have picked them up in a spreadsheet in the bounty thread
It's not up to them to not pay them if the bounty hunters file real claims to the German & Swiss law.
It was 2 parties agreed on work & one party didn't respect his part of the deal.
I see it as lain simple as this, but people on't know it, it's always possible to claim their rights, this is like a plain Freelancer (a bounty hunter) that didn't got paid of his delivered work to the other party.

This is Laurent saying about this: " Yes.  No decision has been made by the liquidator to exclude bounty participants. "

https://t.me/EnvionFounders/136288

Laurent can say whatever he wants. You should no listen to him.

You should focus more on the bounty claims. You still can claim. Just go to the portal and invest some time and claim. Regardless if it is 50 token or 400. Just do it. As it was mentioned before: You did some work for Envion. You can claim your tokens.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 14/11/2019, 19:56:19 UTC
The claim portal is finally activated and all Envion tokenholders must file their claim until 28th of November 2019

The only official website is www.envion-konkurs.ch
The portal direkt link: https://portal.envion-konkurs.ch

Good luck to all
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 08/10/2019, 17:45:53 UTC
GUYS, VERY CAREFULLY WITH ANY SIDE PROJECT CLAIMING TO HELP YOU

Especially, if it comes from /or/ is promoted by the founders.

The official portal will open soon. Just keep checking the website: www.envion-konkurs.ch
Once open, you can file your claims, regardless if you are

- ICO investor
- exchange buyer
- bounty hunter

All those groups did something for the tokens (work or paid). All this claims considered as valid claims. Others might file claims as well, but the vast majority of investors do not want additional (free) tokens to be in the same bucket. They (founder, advisors, company) should wait if there is something left.

note:
if you cannot access your tokens (for example you haven't received the PIN to unlock) or you have other issues, follow the guidelines published by the liquidator. It is all in the PDF. Read it!

read up:
https://telegra.ph/Fact-check-Will-Envion-founders-really-donate-millions-to-the-crypto-community-10-06
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 29/08/2019, 14:09:21 UTC
Any news? I did invested in this project in December 2017

In the latest news, I have read about the debt call, which can happen soon. Rumors say the founders have left their homes (moved out from the address where Trado was residing). So we are now even talking about fugitives. First civil court dates, investors versus Trado (=Michael Luckow), are held in Berlin, 27th of September 2019.

I encourage you to join the social chat group of 1200 Envion investor on telegram. All you have to do is register with your phone number via smartphone or web
https://t.me/Envioninvestors

peace out
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 02/06/2019, 19:41:39 UTC
Nobody ran away with USD 100 million. The 100 million was just a (marketing) number and it reflected only the value of the funds from the Envion ICO at the very peak of the cryptomarkets in January 2018. In reality around USD 50-60 million was immediately converted to FIAT and kept in banks in Liechtenstein, thanks to Woestmann. The remaining crypto was never transferred to Envion (thanks to Michael Luckow, Trado GmbH), who kept the crypto as hostage for no obvious reasons known to the public. This is highly criminal and will be subject of courts in Germany.


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In total, Envion had maybe around USD 80 million. Now there is around USD 43 million in banks and the outstanding amount of (stolen) crypto by Luckow.

That's around USD 50 million left for a possible refund.
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The courts in Germany and the liquidator in Switzerland are now the once who will bring more light into the case, after FINMA has reported and closed the probe. Another (not so) small detail: The former member of board Cyrill Staeger (LinkedIn: https://ch.linkedin.com/in/cyrill-a-st%C3%A4ger-71357073) took for himself around half Million out of the bank on his very last official day. Next day he resigned. Liquidator has the details and will hopefully go after him as well. Blame all of them (Founders, Board Members and BaFin/FINMA) for mismanagement and delay to deliver. Hard lesson, with a partial refund we may see some good news in the end.

Some useful links: .
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 22/04/2019, 08:07:27 UTC
I think bounty is the last things that need to be fixed. Let's start with the ICO investors refund issue.

I didn't understand how they will pay the funds to all token holders this project raised very huge amount and still no progress even they stop communication with the community too. Is there any authenticated source to let know about the progress on this refund process?
no funds will be returned, I think, because Envion has left everything like a bummer, just seeing bounty can't pay at all
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 19/02/2019, 23:07:21 UTC
Hey hey ansi,

Can you explain, why I should  "say good bye to his investment" when paid with crypto? Stop fudding, this is pointless here.

It is up to the liquidator to make decisions, thank god. And not a random user on btctalk
Grin
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 14/02/2019, 19:48:16 UTC
Hi o48o

I think they are overloaded or just wait for the official announcement by the liquidator. I received a response in a time manner.

Try to register again, maybe something went wrong.
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
by
Josey
on 13/02/2019, 14:17:22 UTC
Don't be desperated folks!

I think we can do something to see money back. Switzerland is not Nigeria (sorry Nigerians). Lately the Liquidator put on a scheme where its been shown, what the next steps are. Read it all and you will understand, especially the creditors' meeting thingy.
https://www.envion-konkurs.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/Ablauf_Konkursverfahren_E_25_01_2019__6696642_.pdf

Creditors meeting:
This was announced by this efri.io initiative few weeks back, I remember. I am sure, we (the investors) can do something, if we have a seat at liquidator's table. Giving "Power of Attorney" collected by this EFRI is maybe the best option.

https://efri.io/envion-funds-recovery-case
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
by
Josey
on 09/01/2019, 17:44:15 UTC
Guys,

for those, who still not have reliable information outside the liars and manipulators group of Laurents gang (aka Founder channel), please consider to join the biggest Envion investor channel on telegram (700+ members): https://t.me/envioninvestors

For those, who have not received a PIN to unlock the CC paid ENV tokens:
You have front row seat as an creditor, eligible to get refunded 100% before liquidation. Check in the telegram group mentioned above and ask there for how to!

Additional powerful movement:
There is an initiative backed by tax and law experts (Laurent would say "predators"). The initiative's goal is to protect investors interests in front of the liquidator. The more investors join, the better. This service is free of charge. Read up: www.efri.io

Founders are concerned about the power of organized investors. They fear such action, because they cannot control it and it interfeers with their interests. All join!
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 07/12/2018, 11:11:04 UTC
important update for all Envion investors

www.envion-konkurs.ch is the official appointed liquidator. Please follow instructions and news from them.

PS:
It is now safe to leave all founder controlled social media channels (telegram, facebook, medium, twitter)and stop following their social media controlled by Founders).
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 06/12/2018, 21:18:21 UTC
Hey Zabivelli, stop shilling these actors. Maybe you are one of them. That would explain many things.

You have simply no idea about the ongoings and (additionally) about the past of Mr. Luckow. He was convicted in Germany, is the main actor in many shady businesses (proven). His name is in the debt register of Germany. Bravo. A real businessman with an ethical attitude. Michael Luckow lied to us over the full period of the ICO and all year long.

Just the latest story. Read on
fake: "We will fight the liquidation"
truth: "no appeal was introduced" (Die Rechtsmittelfrist ist inzwischen unbenutzt abgelaufen und der Entscheid ist somit rechtskräftig)

To speak with your words: zero, nothing, nada came from this guy to protect investor interests. Not speaking about the token sold by them to make money for themselve
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Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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Josey
on 04/12/2018, 23:12:48 UTC
"No they didnt purchace anything with ICO funds ML and MW had a falling out in China then everything got locked down and no progress since The Founders where blatantly lying to everyone untill they got found out in May since then they have been spinning one story after another."

Exactly sluppy. And the lying and misleading is ongoing.

All the founders (and Laurent) want is to take as much money out of this project as possible. They never cared about investors interests.
Still blocking others from having access to the facebook/telegram/whatever channels.

You should read on alternative websites about this
telegram investors group: https://t.me/envioninvestors
twitter: www.twitter.com/EnvionWatch
web: https://fintelegram.news/envion-causa-liquidation-allegedly-ordered

DON'T TRUST ANY OF THESE ACTORS
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Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
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Josey
on 08/11/2018, 19:43:06 UTC
 Shocked If the auditor is really not from Backes and they promoting this, than this is criminal.

It seems, they are faking a lot of stuff. What comes next?  Huh
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Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
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Josey
on 06/11/2018, 10:16:15 UTC
I T    I S     F A K E


nuff said

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Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
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Josey
on 02/11/2018, 19:41:20 UTC
Good customer support, I like how they care , when you have an question. Why this should be a scam?
I have also tried out the app, very interesting for doing trading. Long whitepaper but with lots of info.

The negativity in those reviews are also to take into account. True. But it seem to be a very promising concept in my eyes.

Also true, most of the investors in the telegram channel really have no idea what they are going to do. Like first time crypto kids. Do you guys think, they will fool all those investors?