You know you're wrong. So am I. Dreams dead, goin2mars.

I'm not saying he shouldn't profit. I'm saying if the field is going to be changing for one side, then it must change for both. If the tools of adoption are now closed source, then the thing to be adopted will naturally evolve to be closed source. Telling me that 'this is the way things are and always have been' isn't going to cut it. Because two months ago, things were open source. Now they're not, that door has closed and that's okay; but, I won't be adopting it (one last edit here: unless both sides are open source or both sides are closed source). Simple as that. I will, and already have, taken my money elsewhere .. to something that I've already accepted. That is why I proposed a closed source hard fork as the only one option.

edit: you also seem to not understand where I'm coming from. I'm not a miner. I'm an investor. I make my money on the market.

If you read anything I've written, you would see that I'm not blaming him. I'm blaming idiot adopters like myself who come here and think this is a good idea to expect software and not donate, even though i do. He has every right to profit - it's his property and intellect that gives him the edge.

You detract from the argument. The statement was "now at the mercy of private, closed software". This is not about hardware, or centralized mining. This is about the existence of nothing but centralized mining, because exactly zero people here can do what you do. Should you profit from that? Yes. Should people just start launching coins for you and only you to profit off of? No. This one seems to be launched for you, and many more will be launched for you until people learn that either they should start paying their developers from day one, or thrive on closed source software. There's no other options.

Toward the rest, I agree .. quality currencies should come with every single bell and whistle that can possibly be conceived. But you're not gonna tell me that if all of that existed in the first place, you wouldn't have tried to find a way to do what you do best and outplay everyone involved.

I'm not saying that what you've offered is not enough. I'm saying that you are making a very bold, and powerful statement that will come to define this scene, even if you don't realize it right now. Yours isn't the first, but it is the first that threatens the continued peaceful existence of cryptocurrencies. Open source coins are now at the mercy of private, closed software. It's not your fault, you just happened to be the guy that made the statement that's been long in coming.

The only way to keep this movement going is to evolve. The closed-sourcing of third party software that these 'alt' currencies must absolutely survive on in this year and the coming years must be met with an equally bold and powerful statement. You're not wrong to be doing what you're doing. If, the tendency to donate to and recognize powerful developers were still a naturally occurring thing then this very well may have turned out different. That is not the case, and nobody's to blame -- it's a natural evolution. No amount of open-source coding will ensure that developers get paid, save for a premine. Sadly, this does not cover payment to third party developers such as yourself .. who should be paid and recognized for their work, but not at the cost of the continued existence of the currency.

What I'm saying is that by taking this route, there will come a day where people will have no option but to trust a closed source cryptocurrency .. because the tools of infinite money are no longer available to them.

I agree. Has anyone considered if they would be willing to accept a closed-source fork? I think dev has the capability to provide the software necessary to continue.

When people have the technical capabilities to hold the coin hostage, or at least scare people into thinking they do .. simply changing the PoW might not be enough. Keeping it closed-source for a period of time would. But that would hinge on everyone using this now to accept that. Let's say that the PoW is changed .. what are the chances that christian would just do this all over again .. and again there's no way to convince him to distribute software or open source it?

What do people think?

What do you guys think about this?

Not a simple solution, but it's a big question to begin with ..

Mycelium integration, closed source pools with their own closed source software, previous releases of cudaminer not being released for distribution and are now effectively closed source, coinmarketcap, any exchange, there are now third party sources of entire coin development who offer the source for anyone to use but not for themselves to launch a coin, claymore's GPU miners are closed source 3rd party support, nxt asset exchange, blockchain explorers not provided by the developers supporting multiple coins of choice, profitability calculators, there's just so many examples. The future of new cryptocurrencies will come to thrive on these types of offerings. This is no longer a garage project, and the number of people who have originally provided these types of services for free of charge is quickly diminishing .. to the point where coins like BBR are left to consider a hard fork because of lack of an ability to fund a third party developer.


This simplistic model is disappearing very fast, again using the BBR example. He is a very intelligent and good developer and even he cannot mitigate these risks.



The fair approach is being actively abused, and I'm trying to drive home the point that it's not just the core coin developers that will be needing paid anymore to survive. It's quickly becoming so dangerous that these people need to be compensated some how.

So what do you think is a good method to keep everyone paid? I don't think it's going to be automatic -- no amount of automated open-source coding can benefit everyone who has a say in these coins now. Some will find a way to assume control if they are not compensated.

Cross post ..

Sure that could work. But it doesn't cover third party development, which will be the main driving force in cryptocurrency penetration in this year and the following .. and not just one centralized development team.

How can you keep them from becoming entirely closed source? Toward my point, how would you solve the problem of privatized GPU miners cornering markets? Take a look at BBR right now, over 50% of the coin is mined by Christian and Christian alone. Not all the hard-coded centralized developer fees in the world can stop that, and he's currently in a position where he would require infinite money to open source or even distribute his software.

What then?

Don't know if it's mentioned yet ..

Paid developers 

I find that when I divide .00536199 by .000719 I get 7.46. Is my calculator broke?

Nonetheless, tenebrix does not have much of a market cap.

For BCN to have a marketcap that will surpass bitcoin today, it would need to trade at a value of .00008279 satoshi.

This is a 827.9x its current value today.

Absolutely false. Please take a look at tenebrix.

I have discussed the issue privately with both cbuchner1 and Claymore, asking for a quote to open source their software.

This is not a thread trying to pay them to open source their projects. This is a thread trying to get someone to work out a brand new miner, or adapt something like sgminer.

Claymore does not provide open source software, period.

cbuchner1 said flat out that he will not be releasing or open sourcing his miner, period. The implication was that it would be considered if we can offer him more than it would make him .. but nobody's going to pay him infinite money

We're quickly entering a situation where private GPU miners are cornering the market .. not healthy.

I would happily welcome a trusted escrow or recommended crowdfunding site. Does anyone have thoughts on this?

BTC right?

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Hello everyone, there is a thread discussion on what you would like to see in an open source GPU miner for Cryptonight algorithm coins. Please discuss what you would like to see in a GPU miner similar to Claymore's excellent miner 

Hello everyone, there is a thread discussion on what you would like to see in an open source GPU miner for Cryptonight algorithm coins. Please discuss what you would like to see in a GPU miner similar to Claymore's excellent miner  

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