Agree with Biffa - just because you may have found the best place in Europe to locate a farm sadly doesn't mean that it will be competitive with the rest of the world. Equally for your point about the Nordic locations which are 350km from the nearest airport - for home miners that are looking to host their rigs with you that doesn't matter, if it has cheaper electricity then the remoteness is your problem and not theirs.

Mining is a perfect example of looking after the pennies and we are at a point where pennies can make the difference between continuing to mine and switching rigs off.

As with the other replies I wish you luck and hope this works out for you but I think you are underestimating/ignoring the basic financials.

Yep, you are looking at a new and quality altcoin in BTR so mine directly.

If you had started mining when we posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5080173.msg48478710#msg48478710) then you would be sitting on a 7x return right now. Without any doubt the most profitable mining of any coin in the last month.

Two new exchange listings imminent, CMC listing in the near future... if you have an older Baikal with x13 then you would be mad not to be pointing it at the BTR pool.

Volume today (Christmas Eve!) on Bisq has been the highest yet at 26 BTC - that's the highest volume altcoin on the exchange

Yes you do but the mining fee on the security deposit (deposit is 0.01 or 0.003 BTC for taker/maker respectively) is pennies. You can also keep BTC on your Bisq wallet to make things easier (just remember to add a password as it's unencrypted by default).

Would completely agree that Bisq isn't perfect but it is usable. The next exchange isn't far away now and should be good for anyone who isn't keen on Bisq

There are two fees on Bisq:
1. Trading fee - as maker is reasonable, as a taker is more expensive
2. Mining fee - all trades involve movement of BTC between wallets

You also need to pay a security deposit which is refunded as long as you complete the trade without any problems (i.e. you send the coins that you sell or release the BTC when you receive the coins you have bought)

It's different to a 'normal' exchange but not exactly difficult.

If you don't like that then have a bit of patience and wait for the p2pb2b listing which should be in the very near future and is the 'classic' exchange you are asking for or there is OTC on the Discord channel.

A price increase in the last month from 0.0005 BTC/BTR to the current 0.004 BTC/BTR - kinda worth the small amount of effort needed to buy it

Nope, I asked why they had chosen the ticker they had. When asked why I had asked I said there was another coin using it which Bitcoin Tiger was very similar to. I was asked which coin that was and so said. The dev then accused me of promoting another coin and said he was going to ban me...

I was deliberately not saying what the other coin was and you'll notice also haven't in this thread because I am not trying to promote it.

Censorship in chat is a worrying thing and add to that that the coin has been copied from another and I would be quite safe in predicting that it will fail within 12 months.

If you are still around at that point then feel free to say 'I told you so'. We won't gloat when you aren't though because it will just mean that more people have lost money on another lazy and poorly thought out clone and that crypto has taken yet another step backwards...

Saw an ugly and aggressive atmosphere in the Discord channel and then was banned after politely asking a question about the ticker.

Nothing about this project is how crypto should be.

You are absolutely right that development hasn't been quick but why would you possible want a quick development which inevitably leads to needing more bug fixes when we have been in an almost year long bear market?

Not rushing the coin to market just demonstrates the commitment of the dev team and preference to launch it at the right time rather than too early just so they could make a quick buck...

Of course the block frequency increased as the net hashrate increased then slowed down again as the difficulty adjusted. Not sure what your point is there?

Again not sure of what your complaint is with regard to the wallet - there is a web wallet now and an electrum one coming very soon. Do you want a third option?

Every coin starts as being centralised - if the code is released too early then that makes bug fixing a nightmare with having to get multiple pools/exchanges/standalone wallets to update to the latest release. The devs are doing absolutely the right thing by not rushing to release the code. If you don't like that then maybe just come back in two or three months?

The exchange is Bisq which personally no I don't really like. It is a reliable exchange though and you always have the option of OTC through the Discord channel if you want to buy/sell - thousands of BTR have successfully been traded there. No idea what you mean by 'is exchange associated with pools?' AFAIK the BTR dev team have nothing to do with Bisq other than having their coin listed there.

Overall I really don't understand what you are complaining about - this is a new coin and is actively being developed. If you want/expect multiple exchanges and wallets to be in place on day 1 then you simply have unrealistic expectations.

17,576 three letter combinations for your ticker and you chose the same as an existing coin...not only that you have also copied the same properties and use case (although poorly implemented here).

A clear attempt to confuse investors and try to get them to invest in the wrong coin. Honesty isn't just a virtue, it's a prerequisite when you are asking people for money.

You have forgotten about the fully functioning and stable chain they have alse produced - fairly important wouldn't you say?

So, they have a clear use case, chain, wallet, pool, exchange - all of the things that a coin needs to have value, exist, work and be traded.

Electrum wallet due this month, a second exchange in Q1 2019, source code to be released after the exchange which will allow more pools.

Bearing in mind we have been in a bear market for most of 2018, what else exactly would you like to have seen accomplished by this stage which would have caused significantly more progress for the project?

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Premine is completely reasonable - you would prefer a project where the dev team has no incentive to work or make it a success? Would you invest in a company where the management team had no investment in it?

Knowing exactly how much hashrate we have on the pool (and we are nothing to do with the dev team) I can categorically state that you have just made your last statement up - a great way to undermine anything else you may post



As an aside - why does a bear market bring out so many 'experts' and fudders? It's almost as if people are so bitter that their past investments were bad choices that they now don't want anyone to succeed...

Speed is relative - what do you think they are 'very very slow' compared to?

If you are thinking of a copy/paste coin which adds nothing new to crypto or a fork then I'd agree but say you are comparing apples to oranges. Learn a bit about the project, you may actually realise the potential it has 

I think even the dev team would admit that the timeline hasn't been quick but as said before - it's a new blockchain written from scratch in C#, not a fork or a copy/paste as 99.9% of other altcoins are and which offer nothing new.

Slow progress isn't indicative of a scam, the complete opposite is more likely to be true - scam coins are copy/paste ones which takes about an hour and any development team which has been dedicated enough to work on a project for a year and shown their competence by having a working and stable chain at the end of that is the most exciting new development since BTC and ETH wrote their code.

Nothing has been lost by waiting out the bear market and making sure the code is working well - I'd take that a sign of a mature and patient team behind the project.

Well they can't control how long the exchange takes to review the code so postponements are something to just deal with and the community is at least being regularly updated. Again though - why is there any rush for it to be on an exchange in a bear market, much better to not hurry and get things right first time.

I think you are maybe too used to copy/paste or forked coins where the exchange can review the code and list the coin in a couple of weeks because it is no different than 100's of other coins which they have already looked at. BTR is a completely new codebase written in C# - as an example of the potential of the coin imagine how much of a bigger development community that opens the code up to than C++...

Have you looked at their website? There is a very clear roadmap there.

Anyone who knows anything about the project knows it has not yet been completed (no crypto project ever has been, all are continually improving) but why would you think it's not ready for launch? It has to 'launch' to even be considered by exchanges and the mainnet has been utterly rock solid since it did which is testament to the codebase the devs have created.

Another person who would prefer instant gratification, bugs and languishing in a long bear market instead of a well developed and tested codebase...

Discord is a far more active channel where you will see the reasoning behind Bisq.

Have a look at the block frequency and read up on coin maturity....

Unless this is the first time you have ever mined then you really should be aware of the first payment always taking a while.

Thousands of people have created wallets...I would say thank you for them insisting you need a more secure password than you must be trying to use...

For anyone else reading this though then make sure to remember your transaction password as well your wallet password and seed. Without the transaction password you aren't able to send coins and so would effectively lose anything you send to the wallet.

Nice try Craig



How quickly could either of you write the code for a blockchain from scratch in a new language? Timing of the launch is actually looking just about perfect to coincide with the next BTC run rather than being rushed to market in a year long bear market. If you look at the roadmap then there are clear plans to decentralise the coin once it is listed on a second exchange in Q1 2019.