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If u were to choose to buy trezor or use armory which would u rather have? Not to worried about the purchase of trezor as I like the concept. I also have a comp for armory too. If something went bad with trezors company does that mean u lose your bitcoins or can u still get them?
Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.
The reason why we are being so much more vocal about Peeps Place recently is because he crossed the line.
Please allow me to explain.
We already revealed a couple of months ago that Peeps is getting paid by his top rated Bitcoin Sportsbooks to promote them in forums.
That's not new. After revealing that, we let it go and kept silent.
A couple of weeks ago Peeps Place placed a bet on our website and lost.
After losing the bet, Peeps blackmailed us and demanded that we refund his losing bet or else he will publish negative information on DirectBet publicly.
His reasoning for demanding us to refund his losing bet was that his wallet delayed the transfer of his bet by a few minutes. However, we clearly state in our rules page that if your wallet delays the transfer of your bet, the bet will be processed as soon as it is received and that's what happened with his bet. We also recommend using the Bitcoin Core client to avoid such delays.
In addition, Peeps notified us on this issue only after his bet was already determined as a loser and not right away when the bet was placed.
Since our rules are very clear and since Peeps complained only after losing the bet, we decided that the bet should stand.
Peeps then went on public to spread false information when in fact our rules were very clear. You can find more details in the archive of this thread.
Do you see the problem here ?
Peeps is using the "Power" of his rating guide to blackmail books to refund his losing bets or else get bad publicity following by a reduced rating.
That's when we decided that we will not let it go this time until this scam thread is closed.
This is not a true ratings guide, it's a disguised paid advertisement.
See I'm open to what your saying but when u say that these ratings have been screwed with then I know your story is false. I know this because after coinbet theft, I made PeepsPlace understand some issues and then he reconsidered his ratings with all his books. U can sift through this thread to find where it started. I myself am a loyal poster at sports forums for years and will never lie for anyone or any book. So understand that your complaining about these ratings may be off here.Please allow me to explain.
We already revealed a couple of months ago that Peeps is getting paid by his top rated Bitcoin Sportsbooks to promote them in forums.
That's not new. After revealing that, we let it go and kept silent.
A couple of weeks ago Peeps Place placed a bet on our website and lost.
After losing the bet, Peeps blackmailed us and demanded that we refund his losing bet or else he will publish negative information on DirectBet publicly.
His reasoning for demanding us to refund his losing bet was that his wallet delayed the transfer of his bet by a few minutes. However, we clearly state in our rules page that if your wallet delays the transfer of your bet, the bet will be processed as soon as it is received and that's what happened with his bet. We also recommend using the Bitcoin Core client to avoid such delays.
In addition, Peeps notified us on this issue only after his bet was already determined as a loser and not right away when the bet was placed.
Since our rules are very clear and since Peeps complained only after losing the bet, we decided that the bet should stand.
Peeps then went on public to spread false information when in fact our rules were very clear. You can find more details in the archive of this thread.
Do you see the problem here ?
Peeps is using the "Power" of his rating guide to blackmail books to refund his losing bets or else get bad publicity following by a reduced rating.
That's when we decided that we will not let it go this time until this scam thread is closed.
This is not a true ratings guide, it's a disguised paid advertisement.
Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.
Hey Peeps I have been looking through every BTC books lines and comparing them to pretty much other books around and honestly at least 90% of the btc books at least 90% of the time for baseball have worse lines by pretty high margins. Something to consider, I don't understand what some of these books are thinking when they put out these lines. It's pretty much all of them too including anonibet, I can pretty much find a better line elsewhere almost all the time. Nitrogen offers better lines than most btc books but I can still almost always get better prices elsewhere. Do u know how much this adds upto over time.
I'm an avid baseball bettor and agree with you 100%. It looks like many of the bitcoin books are targeting soccer at this time without much interest in the baseball market. Peeps I added more too my other post.
Have you taken out any recent withdrawals from 5Dimes? I haven't taken one in a long time but if I remember correctly, it took approximately one week. Posters are going to love Tony.
Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.
Hey Peeps I have been looking through every BTC books lines and comparing them to pretty much other books around and honestly at least 90% of the btc books at least 90% of the time for baseball have worse lines by pretty high margins. Something to consider, I don't understand what some of these books are thinking when they put out these lines. It's pretty much all of them too including anonibet, I can pretty much find a better line elsewhere almost all the time. Nitrogen offers better lines than most btc books but I can still almost always get better prices elsewhere. Do u know how much this adds upto over time.
I'm an avid baseball bettor and agree with you 100%. It looks like many of the bitcoin books are targeting soccer at this time without much interest in the baseball market. Peeps I added more too my other post.
Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.
Hey Peeps I have been looking through every BTC books lines and comparing them to pretty much other books around and honestly at least 90% of the btc books at least 90% of the time for baseball have worse lines by pretty high margins. Something to consider, I don't understand what some of these books are thinking when they put out these lines. It's pretty much all of them too including anonibet, I can pretty much find a better line elsewhere almost all the time. Nitrogen offers better lines than most btc books but I can still almost always get better prices elsewhere. Do u know how much this adds upto over time.
Oh I also don't see it in the threads here but last week 5dimes SBR rated A+ added btc as a deposit option, only deposits as of now too test it out but they plan on adding withdraws once it pans out! I also read if it really works out they might even add to btc and not the switch to usd.
Also I hope all the BTC books are reading this because if u decide not to give use better deals then what do what do u think will happen? Your not the only book out there like u think and if 5dimes adds btc then I would never even place a bet with u unless u had a better line. So now is the time to reconsider your lines bad business plan or u will be out of business within a year.
Oh I also don't see it in the threads here but last week 5dimes SBR rated A+ added btc as a deposit option, only deposits as of now too test it out but they plan on adding withdraws once it pans out! I also read if it really works out they might even add to btc and not the switch to usd.
Also I hope all the BTC books are reading this because if u decide not to give use better deals then what do what do u think will happen? Your not the only book out there like u think and if 5dimes adds btc then I would never even place a bet with u unless u had a better line. So now is the time to reconsider your lines bad business plan or u will be out of business within a year.
Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.
One/two man shops never make it when they take an extended period of time without expansion.
Most of the bitcoin books start off as a one or two man shop but they expand with success. This is not happening with DirectBet.
Most of the bitcoin books start off as a one or two man shop but they expand with success. This is not happening with DirectBet.
Peeps, how do you know that Anonibet, your top rated Bitcoin sportsbook and the only one you rated A, is not a one man shop ?
Did you meet them in person to verify that ? Or perhaps you are one of them ?
And what do you mean by "expanding" ? Anonibet, your one and only A rated Bitcoin sportsbook, recently had a sports betting contest with 22 BTC prize pool. They exists since 2011 yet only 6 players participated in their contest, some of which are accused of being Anonibet employees.
Is that what you call "expanding" ? Is that sort of expansion needed to get an A rating from you ?
Lets face it Peeps, this is not a true ratings guide, it's a disguised paid advertisement for Anonibet, and the more you blindly defend them, the more it is clear what we have been claiming for months - you work for Anonibet !
Re: Ratings and Reviews of Sportsbooks. Ask books questions, problems and feedback
Hey guys what's your views on betting with your btc? Do u like to just always keep your coins always in btc, do u switch over when u can to cash? I ask because I want all I bet with in btc and not all places have total btc which have cheaper lines but in usd and I'm trying find the best way to deal with this. I have many other books that are usd for this to choose from if I wanted my coins out of coins to bet with.
I keep them in BTC so I'm at the mercy of the bitcoin price fluctuations.Re: Ratings and Reviews of Sportsbooks. Ask books questions, problems and feedback
Hey guys what's your views on betting with your btc? Do u like to just always keep your coins always in btc, do u switch over when u can to cash? I ask because I want all I bet with in btc and not all places have total btc which have cheaper lines but in usd and I'm trying find the best way to deal with this. I have many other books that are usd for this to choose from if I wanted my coins out of coins to bet with.
Re: Ratings and Reviews of Sportsbooks. Ask books questions, problems and feedback
With so many BTC books out now which are the books that are dimeline mlb baseball? BTC only betting books not the ones that convert to $ Thanks, could be other coins too.
MLB fan? You might enjoy this gif: http://cbet.ly/1pOo0F8
Re: Ratings and Reviews of Sportsbooks. Ask books questions, problems and feedback
With so many BTC books out now which are the books that are dimeline mlb baseball? BTC only betting books not the ones that convert to $ Thanks, could be other coins too.
Do not play at this poker site they are owned by BTG Global. They own books and poker sites that have stiffed alot of people including myself. Nice try Purepoker to bad I check a lot of forums daily and I will make sure anything related to your company people know about it.
What exactly has purepoker done ?
I'm confused , seems like a decent site , a bit conspicious though
After they just strong armed me and played games with me on the phone thinking they would pay me, I made it my mission to make sure that anything that ever popped up somewhere in forums i would stay on it.
Here are some links that i am pulling up since u guys should know.
http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2535938-vipsports-eu.html
http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2389018-vipsports-eu-confiscates-1-300-winning-player.html
http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2202138-dimeline-sportsbook-slow-pays.html
http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/1998364-wager-up-scam-stay-far-far-away.html
http://forum.sbrforum.com/nominated-posts/2369154-dimeline-eu-stiffs-me-2400-closed-my-account-nominated-post.html
There are many more also in different forums but i think this is enough for u guys to make your judgement. This dealing was by far the worst i have ever come across and I'm a very honest player, I have also used alot of places.
Do not play at this poker site they are owned by BTG Global. They own books and poker sites that have stiffed alot of people including myself. Nice try Purepoker to bad I check a lot of forums daily and I will make sure anything related to your company people know about it.
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Post problems and feedback.
Guys - Please chime in even if it's just a letter so that we can move on. What rating would you give DirectBet using your own criteria?
As of today they would be a C+ at the very most and only because of the feature to withdraw each bet. Doesn't mean I would bet 5k here not even close. I feel they are way to new to have a rating higher than this. Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
The ratings were up BEFORE anyone talked with Anoninbet and Nitrogen.
That's exactly my point ! The ratings were reasonable at first, but then you changed the rules here so that technically, only Anonibet can be rated A, on top of all others.
That was AFTER Anonibet paid you. And then of course you rated them A, isolated on top of the list.
There have been several reports here during the past few days on Anonibet retroactively canceling bets, delaying withdrawals, limiting bet sizes and bet selections and various other negative feedback. Players are saying they will never bet there again, but their rating remains a firm A, on top of all other sportbooks.
You keep saying that the ratings here is "By the players for the players", but when it comes to Anonibet, you keep ignoring all the negative feedback on them, and there wasn't a single post here suggesting they are the best.
For these reasons, we are claiming that this ratings guide has turned into a disguised advertising vehicle for Anonibet.
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
I wrote up some solid reviews a couple pages back so i'll weigh in. I think most of the ratings here are decent based on the "time" criteria. I do think cloudbet might be the best right now, but if you cap what a book can achieve based on time in existence than cloudbet is where it should be.
however, that being said, JUST because a book is the oldest (anonibet) doesn't mean it should be rated the highest. the review i posted about anonibet and several others here are pretty scathing when you subtract out the fact that they've been open the longest. they are pretty much the worst across the board on 5 other criteria points. frankly the book itself is D+ to C- at best when you take EVERYTHING into consideration (other than time open). i DO think that other peoples complaints about anonibet are legit and it should be downgraded considerably because all aspects of that book suck other than the fact that they've been in business the longest.
there is one other thing to consider though. i think anyone can open up a bitcoin book like anonibet with roughly 50 bitcoins in cold storage. the fact is that the average bettor probably wagers .05 BTC and so when anonibet caps action about as low as possible there is almost 0 risk to them as far as someone like me ever winning big. i would be shocked if they could release a cold storage wallet address proving they had 500-1000 bitcoins to back their book.
I would rather play at a brand spanking new book who released a signed wallet transaction showing good backing (1000 btc) then a lowly capped book like anonibet that prays off people who are zero risk to them (especially when their posted odds are so terrible they they gain a extra 10% handicap advantage over all the other books).
Everyone always remember when reading this post from this poster, he lost 340k to a new book because of his belief system to the new books. however, that being said, JUST because a book is the oldest (anonibet) doesn't mean it should be rated the highest. the review i posted about anonibet and several others here are pretty scathing when you subtract out the fact that they've been open the longest. they are pretty much the worst across the board on 5 other criteria points. frankly the book itself is D+ to C- at best when you take EVERYTHING into consideration (other than time open). i DO think that other peoples complaints about anonibet are legit and it should be downgraded considerably because all aspects of that book suck other than the fact that they've been in business the longest.
there is one other thing to consider though. i think anyone can open up a bitcoin book like anonibet with roughly 50 bitcoins in cold storage. the fact is that the average bettor probably wagers .05 BTC and so when anonibet caps action about as low as possible there is almost 0 risk to them as far as someone like me ever winning big. i would be shocked if they could release a cold storage wallet address proving they had 500-1000 bitcoins to back their book.
I would rather play at a brand spanking new book who released a signed wallet transaction showing good backing (1000 btc) then a lowly capped book like anonibet that prays off people who are zero risk to them (especially when their posted odds are so terrible they they gain a extra 10% handicap advantage over all the other books).
Somehow every time you post it's dumber than your previous post. Not sure how you always manage to outdo your own stupidity but you clearly have a gift. When it comes to being an idiot you exceed expectations with every stroke of your keyboard.
Look man, I know it still hurts. You made a lot of bad bets and lost a ton on coinbet. I feel for you and your horrible life. If you keep grinding out .01 Bitcoins eventually you'll get em all back!
There is actually 1 idiot left in this thread it is u and u know why. Do u really not think your not an idiot for trusting a bookie open 2months with that much $? U can't hide how greedy u are, or that wouldn't have happened to such an extreme level. Sorry I can't side with u since this is the stupidest story I have come across to date.
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
I wrote up some solid reviews a couple pages back so i'll weigh in. I think most of the ratings here are decent based on the "time" criteria. I do think cloudbet might be the best right now, but if you cap what a book can achieve based on time in existence than cloudbet is where it should be.
however, that being said, JUST because a book is the oldest (anonibet) doesn't mean it should be rated the highest. the review i posted about anonibet and several others here are pretty scathing when you subtract out the fact that they've been open the longest. they are pretty much the worst across the board on 5 other criteria points. frankly the book itself is D+ to C- at best when you take EVERYTHING into consideration (other than time open). i DO think that other peoples complaints about anonibet are legit and it should be downgraded considerably because all aspects of that book suck other than the fact that they've been in business the longest.
there is one other thing to consider though. i think anyone can open up a bitcoin book like anonibet with roughly 50 bitcoins in cold storage. the fact is that the average bettor probably wagers .05 BTC and so when anonibet caps action about as low as possible there is almost 0 risk to them as far as someone like me ever winning big. i would be shocked if they could release a cold storage wallet address proving they had 500-1000 bitcoins to back their book.
I would rather play at a brand spanking new book who released a signed wallet transaction showing good backing (1000 btc) then a lowly capped book like anonibet that prays off people who are zero risk to them (especially when their posted odds are so terrible they they gain a extra 10% handicap advantage over all the other books).
Everyone always remember when reading this post from this poster, he lost 340k to a new book because of his belief system to the new books. however, that being said, JUST because a book is the oldest (anonibet) doesn't mean it should be rated the highest. the review i posted about anonibet and several others here are pretty scathing when you subtract out the fact that they've been open the longest. they are pretty much the worst across the board on 5 other criteria points. frankly the book itself is D+ to C- at best when you take EVERYTHING into consideration (other than time open). i DO think that other peoples complaints about anonibet are legit and it should be downgraded considerably because all aspects of that book suck other than the fact that they've been in business the longest.
there is one other thing to consider though. i think anyone can open up a bitcoin book like anonibet with roughly 50 bitcoins in cold storage. the fact is that the average bettor probably wagers .05 BTC and so when anonibet caps action about as low as possible there is almost 0 risk to them as far as someone like me ever winning big. i would be shocked if they could release a cold storage wallet address proving they had 500-1000 bitcoins to back their book.
I would rather play at a brand spanking new book who released a signed wallet transaction showing good backing (1000 btc) then a lowly capped book like anonibet that prays off people who are zero risk to them (especially when their posted odds are so terrible they they gain a extra 10% handicap advantage over all the other books).
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
I would like to point out that we have nothing against any other Bitcoin sportsbook here.
We are very ambitious and aim to be the best, and therefore we compare ourselves to the top rated Bitcoin sportsbook in this ratings list, whichever that book is.
We don't mind that others are rated A, and we are not asking to downgrade any book. What we are arguing is that if our betting service is as good or better than a book that is rated A then we should be rated A as well.
Can u say that being as new as u r that players should feel safe betting 10k, 20k,50k to deserve this A rating u r claiming u deserve? Look at that poster who trusted that new book Coinbet with that kind of money and bets and look at where it got him. U can also claim all u want that yes yes u can trust us with this but does that mean people should at fairly new places do this, no way ever. We are very ambitious and aim to be the best, and therefore we compare ourselves to the top rated Bitcoin sportsbook in this ratings list, whichever that book is.
We don't mind that others are rated A, and we are not asking to downgrade any book. What we are arguing is that if our betting service is as good or better than a book that is rated A then we should be rated A as well.
U really need to stop looking for yourself at this and start to understand this is done because players like myself and others don't need to get screwed by shops for no reason. Seriously there is zero chance u deserve an A rating being this new, a C is a good starting points for books as new as u.
Just for the record i see u keep calling out PeepPlace about books paying this and that for ratings bs, well part of the rating changes was because myself and other posters brought it to PeepsPlace's attention that such new books need not get a high rating to start or it will eventually turn out bad, and guess what happened "Coinbet" as an example.
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a list of criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. We were given a rating of B and Anonibet were the top rated sportsbook with a rating of A.
I went over the list of criteria, one by one, and proved that in each and every category we are as good or better than Anonibet. And so I asked Peeps why we are rated lower ?
Various ill-informed reasons were given, such as that we offer a smaller variety of bets, which I corrected.
If you'd like to read the full conversation, it starts here :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6137493#msg6137493
A few hours later, Peeps changed the ratings criteria so that Anonibet can be the only book with a rating of A. Not surprisingly, they retained their rating of A and our rating was downgraded to C. Furthermore, the list of criteria used to determine ratings disappeared. Instead, Peeps listed all top Bitcoin sportbooks by sorting them in the order in which they were opened.
My question to you Peeps is, what is the reasoning by which you rated Anonibet higher than all other Bitcoin sportbooks ?
And I'd like to put this up here for a debate with other users. Lets have a discussion. Do you agree with Peeps, that Anonibet should be rated higher than all other Bitcoin sportbooks ?
My question to u is what is the reasoning u feel u should be in the same category of another book that has been proven for years.? Do u have this good standing? Can u say u have been around more than 6months? I understand your concern but time heels everything and to think u deserve to be an A already is beyond my thinking. Maybe after u prove yourself in a few years of great bookmaking then u would deserve this.I went over the list of criteria, one by one, and proved that in each and every category we are as good or better than Anonibet. And so I asked Peeps why we are rated lower ?
Various ill-informed reasons were given, such as that we offer a smaller variety of bets, which I corrected.
If you'd like to read the full conversation, it starts here :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6137493#msg6137493
A few hours later, Peeps changed the ratings criteria so that Anonibet can be the only book with a rating of A. Not surprisingly, they retained their rating of A and our rating was downgraded to C. Furthermore, the list of criteria used to determine ratings disappeared. Instead, Peeps listed all top Bitcoin sportbooks by sorting them in the order in which they were opened.
My question to you Peeps is, what is the reasoning by which you rated Anonibet higher than all other Bitcoin sportbooks ?
And I'd like to put this up here for a debate with other users. Lets have a discussion. Do you agree with Peeps, that Anonibet should be rated higher than all other Bitcoin sportbooks ?
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
DirectBet- You are defeating the purpose of this thread. BitcoinzRulez is a respected poster that plays at the books. If he has a problem or dislike with a book, his opinion holds weight. We need experiences from all posters in this thread. We have questions for books in this thread. That's the purpose of the thread. Start new threads for personal squabbles.
BitcoinRulez maybe be respected by u and others by being truthful and such, but BitcoinRulez is by far the dumbest poster and better i have ever come across. Please Peeps Place don't condone people to max deposit and max bet at shops that are open 2 months this way they don't think its ok to do something as stupid as this poster, this way at least if the place turns out to be a scam they people won't lose out more then they should have. GOD, you are just painfully ignorant to continue blaming me for a shady book. NO ONE got paid, no matter how much or little they made. the whole thing was a scam. had i not won any money, people still wouldn't have gotten paid. really, your stupidity is unmatched in the betting community and you should refrain from ever posting again.
Re: Ratings and Reviews of all the bitcoin sports books. Poster input appreciated.
DirectBet- You are defeating the purpose of this thread. BitcoinzRulez is a respected poster that plays at the books. If he has a problem or dislike with a book, his opinion holds weight. We need experiences from all posters in this thread. We have questions for books in this thread. That's the purpose of the thread. Start new threads for personal squabbles.
BitcoinRulez maybe be respected by u and others by being truthful and such, but BitcoinRulez is by far the dumbest poster and better i have ever come across. Please Peeps Place don't condone people to max deposit and max bet at shops that are open 2 months this way they don't think its ok to do something as stupid as this poster, this way at least if the place turns out to be a scam they people won't lose out more then they should have.