I've seen your posts and I've tried to avoid responding but now you're calling people stupid who are trying to reason with you. If you'd like to have a discussion, fine, but if you're just here to engage in name calling and attempting to validate your own twisted opinion of things, then I feel I need to respond. As always, let me be clear: I wasn't on the $PAC team when all this happened but the market dynamics are universal.

There's no offense intended. but your statements of fraud are 100% inaccurate and only lead me to believe you aren't well versed in financial markets. Financial markets are often out of sync, even on the same exchanges. There's an entire industry called arbitrage ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/arbitrage.asp ) and beyond that high-frequency trading ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/high-frequency-trading.asp ) that attempts to make gains by balancing those differences between exchanges. This is common on all markets and is part of how they actually work, the exchanges don't balance things, the market does.

I saw the spike in PAC and watched the market that day, I saw plenty of exchanges on other markets being moved over to Cryptopia for exactly that reason. People were arbitraging the exchanges. That's how efficient markets ( https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/032615/what-are-differences-between-weak-strong-and-semistrong-versions-efficient-market-hypothesis.asp ) work: when there's a price gap market makers move in and balance.

In regards to PAC, as plenty of people have stated, but for some reason plenty of people can't grasp: Cryptopia closed all of their LTC and DOGE pairs due to technical reasons. They didn't close just PAC, they closed all of them. This resulted in the lowest price for purchase on Cryptopia being 1 sat. The reason it was 1 sat is because Bitcoin only supports 8 points of precision ( https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/31933/why-is-bitcoin-defined-as-having-8-decimal-places ). You can't break a bitcoin down into a unit smaller than a single satoshi; instead, you have to use a coin of lower value and break that into smaller amounts.

Due to the markets closing, people made inefficient trades on Crytpoia (see above). They were perfectly valid trades, they were simply inefficient. I wasn't involved in $PAC at all at the time but it was easy enough to identify what the issue was. Coinmarketcap clearly showed that exchanges out of sync and Cryptopia was transparent about their closing of the LTC and DOGE pairs.

To sum up: markets are inefficient by nature. Two exchanges are inefficient, pairs between exchanges are inefficient. For example, right now there are price differences (on the same exchanges!) between trading pairs even for $PAC. That's true for BTC, LTC, ETH, etc. Pick any market that's traded in more than one place and there's a price difference. Differences in prices are not fraud, they're simply fact.

So, please read what is above, educate yourself further on markets, and then if you feel the need to comment, please do and if I can provide further information I'll do my best to do so -- as I always have. But simply claiming things are fraud and scams is a waste of everyone's time. Especially when the fraud you're alleging is a universal feature of all markets that anyone with a cursory understanding of market dynamics comprehends.

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The only one thats not up to par with his intelligence is you, you are unable to win an argument without cursing. Also "kapish" is not a word, its spelled "capisce". Maybe you need to start using a dicktionary before you start to use grown up words!

You are asking me to read !!! 😆😆😆
Why don’t you read first ?
Understand what I’m talking about before you play smart ??
I never even mentioned redemption 😂

Are you really that naive? The problem is not that the coin wont rise or maybe become the next bitcoin, that is not the discussion, you don't even seem to grasp what has happened! The promise was the the amount would go /1000 and the value * 1000. The value for me dropped 75 percent over night. There was no warning no body explaining on cryptopia that you better not buy pac on their btc market nothing. They just allowed it to happen knowing the coin was actually worth less then scrap metal. You are so full of yourselfs, we bought it at the right moment we bought it on other markets like the doge market etc. If you ask me all of you are in on it, you scammed us just like them. Theres no statement on PACCOINS website saying " DONT BUY ANY COIN ON CRYPTOPIA ITS AN ERROR!" . THE MARKET CAME ONLINE ON THE BTC MARKET WITH THE KNOWLEGDE OF THIS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE THATS CALLED A SCAM!

Are you going to pay me 0.043 btc for 4300 $pac?

... your affraid his maffia will steal your PAC!

99% of people who invested in this shitcoin did not read this forum.  Why would they? its not called Paccoin talk is it?

Paccoin should have communicated this through their OFFICIAL channels.  Better yet if they actually gave a fuck they would have asked Crooktopia to not open the BTC Pair as it would harm their investors.

But they DIDN'T for all the reasons people have called out.  I hope this coin and company burn and die.  I don't even care if my money goes to zero which it almost has due to all the SCAMMING they have done.

WHOEVER IS READING THIS WHAT EVER YOU DO DON'T BUY THIS COIN EVER! IF YOU OWN IT SELL IT QUICK!
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Do not be a victim of FUD

If you want to start a discussion about research start reading my previous comments before you judge me. I have never said anything of what you say here. I am saying i have a wallet the one day it holds .043 btc in value, the next day its value is 0.009 btc you can sit here and tell me im dumb for buying in  a peak, but thats nonsense. The value was .043 i can prove that. The next day the exchange happens and suddenly the value is less. You are all telling me the same sobbing story, that noone here is going to believe. Value doent change like that. If it says i have 100 euro in my wallet it doesnt vanish like that! The problem is that no-one warned me about the value dropping lower then the posible lowest price in btc. The team updated everyone YET THERES NOTHING ON THEIR WEBSITE DURING OR PRIOR TO THE PAC TO BTC RELEASE. Now stop acting like we are dumb investors. We are the reason you have more money now, stop being a bunch of dicks and start to see what is being said here. I dont need their website links, i have them i have been on their twitter account from late last year. What you are saying is bullshit, there were NO WARNINGS and if there were SHOW THEM.

Bullshit i have read the PACCOIN website prior to buying NO WARNINGS! Also, the warning would have worked for EVERYONE if it were on the cryptopia market! This is bullshit! I want my money back!

Right like its so difficult to give people a headsup when they are buying on cryptopia! Come on! This is a scam and you know it!

What you are doing is brainless too, maybe you should try and respond to whats being said instead of scamming others into believing its stupidity thats the cause of this scam. Your just like others, a scammer thats in on it. You all should warn people about the scsm but you sit here idle and respond making the ones that care look stupid.

PEOPLE DONT BUY ANY OF THIS CRAP, GET OUT OF PAC WHILE YOU CAN SELL AND LEAVE, THESE PEOPLE ARE RIPPING YOU OFF BIGTIME!

Are you really that naive? The problem is not that the coin wont rise or maybe become the next bitcoin, that is not the discussion, you don't even seem to grasp what has happened! The promise was the the amount would go /1000 and the value * 1000. The value for me dropped 75 percent over night. There was no warning no body explaining on cryptopia that you better not buy pac on their btc market nothing. They just allowed it to happen knowing the coin was actually worth less then scrap metal. You are so full of yourselfs, we bought it at the right moment we bought it on other markets like the doge market etc. If you ask me all of you are in on it, you scammed us just like them. Theres no statement on PACCOINS website saying " DONT BUY ANY COIN ON CRYPTOPIA ITS AN ERROR!" . THE MARKET CAME ONLINE ON THE BTC MARKET WITH THE KNOWLEGDE OF THIS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE THATS CALLED A SCAM!