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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 19/07/2014, 10:23:58 UTC
Playing the Jewish card doesn't work anymore for Israel...
I think Jewish people should respect their religion and not let Judaism be used as a tool to justify Israel's War Crimes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBZX4ZxPjA
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 19/07/2014, 10:13:32 UTC
YOU DO NOT WANNA MISS THIS!

"The Gaza Bombardment - What You're Not Being Told"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRO1YFreNA
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 20:42:53 UTC
Israel has just started it's land operation.

Let's see how the brave hamas fighters who only know how to fire rockets from kilometers away and hide between women at the first sign of danger will react.

Your heaven with your 72 virgins is waiting.

+100

Thank you for proving my point... Wink
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 20:31:26 UTC
And here I thought you had something serious to show. Just propoganda images that are either fake, taken from the wrong/right angle and aren't even related to the Israel-palestinan conflict.
If you got half a brain you can clearly see the soldiers don't aim at any of those people, and sad part is the parents of the kids sent to stand infront of the rifle just so that they could take a provocative image so that ignorant people like you could rejoice.

Here, let's try and copy you:

This how palestinians are raising their childs, totally reasonable:

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/324000/ngbbs3d1d02153f128.jpg

http://www.whyboysneedparents.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/boy-dressed-suicide-bomber.jpg

http://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/2409/ffd9a8537e874de397ab4e29117a9d55.jpg

This is how homeneterian the palestinians are:

http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hamas_inside.jpg?w=900&h=616

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2014e600f2df6970c-400wi

I can go on and post pictures of the atrocities palestinias are responsible for, but I don't see the point.

http://forward.com/workspace/assets/images/articles/w-israeli-boy-gun.jpg.jpg
http://www.radioislam.org/photos/jew_settlers/gungirls.jpg
http://cdn.muslimmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/jewish-settler-kids-guns.jpg
http://f8wee1vvia32pdxo527grujy61.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/w-kids-to-hate.jpg.jpg
http://wtvg.images.worldnow.com/images/21725508_BG1.jpg

Don't forget to check this out too:
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children

They don't aim at kids? They don't murder kids? You sound just like Netanyahu, or, is it him talking? I can't tell the difference...Smiley
That's what you're told...Just like i said, I have Palestinian friends and I know exactly how abusive and brutal those soldiers are. They are the devil in human form. If not worse, they are not any better than the Nazi soldiers.
I am sorry but you're wasting too much of my time, and you're really unworthy. I feel bad for you and I hope you get better, because you are sick. I truly mean that. I don't like to engage in conversations that include dumb-confident morons who think killing innocent kids is justifiable and okay.
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 19:59:13 UTC
This clears a lot of things.
There are somethings you can never change or rewrite or manipulate or remove.
Palestinian coin 1927, when Israel was not even an idea!

http://www.nationalantiquecentre.com/images/products/aaa722.JPG

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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 19:52:56 UTC
Like  million fucking times! are you deaf dumb and blind or just ignoring them. NETANYAHU IS NOT THE ONLY PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL WHO HAS EVER EXISTED!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY

this video lists the history of all of them, we just never accepted your answer which is for us to go kill ourselves.

but please continue to hate us and call us murderers and don't ever bother to look at anyones account of history that isn't Muslim. It's a lot easier to kill us all if you can convince yourselves we are evil, i get it.

but the great thing about the truth is, ITS STILL TRUE WEATHER OR NOT YOU BELIEVE IT!

nobody is asking you to kill yourself.. just stop supporting the killing innocent civilians.
the point is, its a lot easier to not care about what happens to you when you support the unjust killing of civilians.

you need to take control of your life and your future and stop playing the victim card.

if you support the violence that leads to countless innocent civilian deaths then all you do is sow the seeds for your own demise.

did you learn nothing from the US lead intervention in Iraq?
does the killing of innocent civilians in iraq make it a safer place free from terrorists?

are we all safer now?
countless lives lost and bombs dropped over the past 13 years, do you feel safe?

I do not.

make no mistake, an entire generation of Jihadists and Zionists is being born right now, with nothing on their mind other than to destroy each other.

Even though I don't like the US foreign policy of the bush administration .. I will say this.
at least the Americans were smart enough to get rid of their warmongering president before he started yet another war and sank their entire economy.

but why is it that every time I turn on the tv.. I see the same Isreali faces running the country... decade after decade... same people.. same failed policies, all just playing musical chairs with each other?

is Isreal a democracy or a dictatorship.. you need to ask yourself that if you live there.


EinsteiniumWisdom, we don't hate Jews. But it's Jews like you who give the rest a bad name and a bad image. It's so common for people like you to play the victims (just like Alphi said) and think you're going to get away with anything, including idiocy. The world is starting to see Israel for what it really is.
And again, I am not talking about the Jewish people, but those who support this barbarism and the filthy leaders of yours.
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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on 17/07/2014, 19:42:59 UTC
So what happened here? did the women let them go or did they then take the photo with women?
cause they are obviously still alive in the second photo, secondly according Israeli soldiers Hamas sends families out as human shields, so how do we not know this guy wasn't trying to shoot at a terrorist or arrest some one for attacking the army and throwing rocks and this wasn't an example of people being human shields and Israel not firing?

your pics prove nothing!

Israel says it, people believe it. A 5 year old kid can differentiate between good and bad better than adults these days. It's unbelievable how brainwashed most people are...


http://somalilandsun.com/images/Inocent%20israeli%20and%20Palestinian%20terrorist.jpg
You clearly never been to the army of ever held a weapon.
Assuming this image is even real, the solider isn't aiming at them.

Actually, can you even confirm the authenticity of the image? I bet you can't.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28198622

Educate yourself.

P.S. BBC is pro-Palestinian.

P.P.S. at closer look the soldier doesn't have a shadow whereas the family does.

This is pretty fucking real...Unless you won't even believe your own eyes because you're so brainwashed...Smiley
http://i0.wp.com/www.redressonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Israeli-soldier-points-gun-at-woman-and-children-e1362326774613.jpg?fit=300%2C225  http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gaza-soldier-points-gun-at-kids-in-Palestine.png

Okay fine. Do these prove anything?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/21/article-2328141-19E9A09A000005DC-164_1024x615_large.jpg
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/113.jpg

Let's not forget the Palestinian little kids killed while playing on the beach...
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/KH113_2-489278.jpg

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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 19:27:53 UTC
It's real because you said so?

Have you ever heard of photoshop? Do you know how it works?
I believe my own eyes, I don't, however, believe pictures that were posted by random people who can't substantiate their claims.

Again, there's no shadow under his body, explain?

You also did not provide any proof to to the validity of the image. I guess you just believe whatever someone posts so long as it straightens your biased belief.

I don't blame a sheep for following the herd.

Haha
Tell me these are fake too...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Findonesiaindonesia.com%2Fimagehosting%2Fimages%2F17447%2F1_400_0___10000000_0_0_0_0_0_israeli_soldier_points_his_gun_at_a_palestinian_child_in_hebron_city_2007.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Findonesiaindonesia.com%2Fimagehosting%2Fimage23104.html&h=431&w=400&tbnid=WZlhIsSdnkpjbM%3A&zoom=1&docid=5Ie7S8boFUuNbM&ei=LhrIU8iwG8GC4gTdzICQDw&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygDMAM&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=474&page=1&start=0&ndsp=17

And this? I have a lot more, I can keep on sending...Smiley
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ScreenHunter_1097-Jan.-04-17.19.jpg

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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 19:16:29 UTC
It's real because you said so?

Have you ever heard of photoshop? Do you know how it works?
I believe my own eyes, I don't, however, believe pictures that were posted by random people who can't substantiate their claims.

Again, there's no shadow under his body, explain?

You also did not provide any proof to to the validity of the image. I guess you just believe whatever someone posts so long as it straightens your biased belief.

I don't blame a sheep for following the herd.

Haha
Tell me these are fake too...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Findonesiaindonesia.com%2Fimagehosting%2Fimages%2F17447%2F1_400_0___10000000_0_0_0_0_0_israeli_soldier_points_his_gun_at_a_palestinian_child_in_hebron_city_2007.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Findonesiaindonesia.com%2Fimagehosting%2Fimage23104.html&h=431&w=400&tbnid=WZlhIsSdnkpjbM%3A&zoom=1&docid=5Ie7S8boFUuNbM&ei=LhrIU8iwG8GC4gTdzICQDw&tbm=isch&ved=0CCIQMygDMAM&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=474&page=1&start=0&ndsp=17

http://vbb.mk/files/palestinian-boy-israeli-soldier.jpg
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 19:08:51 UTC
This is how your photo was probably made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVmY3otWGY

Israel says it, people believe it. A 5 year old kid can differentiate between good and bad better than adults these days. It's unbelievable how brainwashed most people are...


http://somalilandsun.com/images/Inocent%20israeli%20and%20Palestinian%20terrorist.jpg
You clearly never been to the army of ever held a weapon.
Assuming this image is even real, the solider isn't aiming at them.

Actually, can you even confirm the authenticity of the image? I bet you can't.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28198622

Educate yourself.

P.S. BBC is pro-Palestinian.

P.P.S. at closer look the soldier doesn't have a shadow whereas the family does.

This is pretty fucking real...Unless you won't even believe your own eyes because you're so brainwashed...Smiley
http://i0.wp.com/www.redressonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Israeli-soldier-points-gun-at-woman-and-children-e1362326774613.jpg?fit=300%2C225  http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gaza-soldier-points-gun-at-kids-in-Palestine.png
Here, you should see what's real and what's not. Smiley
The first picture is 150% real, the second one is fake. If you know so much about photoshop, you should be able to distinguish between the two.
So, sorry to break it down to you, that picture is real.
BBC is nowhere even close to being pro-Palestinian. They justify every single crime committed by Israel and every international law they break. They may mention the suffering of Palestinian civilians, but the always make sure they wrap it up on Israel's side.
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 19:02:14 UTC
IN THAT PHOTO THE GUN IS POINTED AWAY FROM THAT FAMILY AND THE SOLDIER IS TALKING TO THE WOMEN!

YOUR BRAINWASHED! INTO THINKING YOU CARE ABOUT PALESTINIANS MORE BY HATING ISRAELIS. EVEN PALESTINIANS KNOW MORE THAN THE BS YOU KEEP SAYING! IF YOU CARE ABOUT THEM SO MUCH WHY DO YOU NOT PROTEST WHEN THEY ARE STARVED TO DEATH IN LEBANESE REFUGEE CAMPS OR JORDANIAN ONES? WHY ARE YOU ONLY UP IN ARMS AGAINST ISRAEL? AND WHAT ABOUT MY LAST POST ? WHAT OF THE PEACE NEGOTIATIONS TURNED DOWN OVER AND OVER AND THEN TELL US TO GET OUT OF THE LAND ENTIRELY?

AND IF A TWO STATE SOLUTION DOES HAPPEN TOMORROW AND I SINCERELY HOPE ONE DAY IT DOES, YOU THINK THIS WILL BE OVER? OR WILL IMMEDIATELY MORE ROCKETS BE LAUNCHED UNTIL WE LEAVE JERUSALEM TOO AND THEN TEL-AVIV!

PEACE REALLY ONLY MEANS PEACE IF WE ALL LIVE THERE TOGETHER HAPPILY. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? OR IS IT FOR THE JEWS TO LEAVE?
CAUSE ITS A SMALL PLANET. THERE IS NO WHERE FOR US TO GO! WHEN YOU COLONIZE MARS GET BACK TO ME, UNTIL THEN ASK YOURSELF, WHAT IS IT THAT IS REALLY GOING TO MAKE YOU HAPPY CAUSE PEACE IS NOT THE SAME THING AS ALL OF ISRAELS DEATHS, SORRY TO BREAK THAT TO YOU.

YOU KNOW REAL PEACEFULL PALESTINIANS HATE YOU! BECAUSE YOU DISTORT THEIR CAUSE WITH YOUR JEW HATRED AND MAKE THE WORLD TAKE THEM LESS SERIOUSLY , YOU DO NOT HELP PEACE AT ALL BY HATING JEWS i HOPE ONE DAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT




Where is the soldier pointing the gun to now?
[imghttp://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gaza-soldier-points-gun-at-kids-in-Palestine.png][/img]

I never said I hate Jews. I'm not a Jew hater, never was and never will be. And you're talking about peace? Israel doesn't want peace, they want occupation. And don't tell me what I know about Palestine and Palestinian people, I have plenty of Palestinian friends and unlike you who talk out of your ass (excuse my french), I get first hand news about what goes on in there. I don't read biased news on BBC and other news channels who suck up to Israel.
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 18:51:24 UTC
Israel says it, people believe it. A 5 year old kid can differentiate between good and bad better than adults these days. It's unbelievable how brainwashed most people are...


http://somalilandsun.com/images/Inocent%20israeli%20and%20Palestinian%20terrorist.jpg
You clearly never been to the army of ever held a weapon.
Assuming this image is even real, the solider isn't aiming at them.

Actually, can you even confirm the authenticity of the image? I bet you can't.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28198622

Educate yourself.

P.S. BBC is pro-Palestinian.

P.P.S. at closer look the soldier doesn't have a shadow whereas the family does.

This is pretty fucking real...Unless you won't even believe your own eyes because you're so brainwashed...Smiley
http://i0.wp.com/www.redressonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Israeli-soldier-points-gun-at-woman-and-children-e1362326774613.jpg?fit=300%2C225  http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gaza-soldier-points-gun-at-kids-in-Palestine.png
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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on 17/07/2014, 18:28:10 UTC
Israel says it, people believe it. A 5 year old kid can differentiate between good and bad better than adults these days. It's unbelievable how brainwashed most people are...


http://somalilandsun.com/images/Inocent%20israeli%20and%20Palestinian%20terrorist.jpg
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 18:12:50 UTC
Alphi shut the hell up, you know nothing. You just hate Jews and Israel. If a two state solution happened tomorrow, people like you would continue to hate and launch rockets because you have no real point. your just full of hate and this whole hate speech just proves it. Israel has offered a state like 10 times and the Arabs reject it because they don't want a state they want the death of Israel.

you hide your hatred behind a false humanitarian cause, why are you not all up in arms about Syria, or the treatment of Palestinian refugees by other Arabs in Arab countries their refugee camps? I bet you cant even tell me about those situations because you don't know. If it doesn't involve hating the Jews , then it appears you really haven't taking any time to learn about it.

because you are a fucking racist so stop pretending to be a liberal with a just humanitarian cause,

I AS  HUMAN BEING WITH A HEART UNLIKE YOU! actually do feel bad for the Palestinians but any idiot can see by reading anything Hamas says or looking at the history of peace negotiations between PLO and Israel, that the reason this is happening to the PALESTINIANS is cause they continuously chose to attack rather then work out long term peace.

you haven't listed the source of any of your bullshit you just keep making arduous claims full of hate.

and what were all suppose to trust you cause your angry and write a lot of posts?


If you really want to help end this war GROW UP, SHUT UP and do some research and look at both sides.





Can you imagine if there was a murder in your neighbourhood and the murderer was still on the run..

can you imagine if instead of conducting a manhunt, searching for the murderer and trying to bring him to justice.. they police simply shot at every single house where they thought he might be?

can you imagine if they blew up your house looking for the guy ?
can you imagine they killed your wife and child hoping to hit the murderer.

can you imagine trying to run away from the chaos but not being able to leave because your town is surrounded on all sides by a 10 foot wall.


how would you feel?
would you feel like justice is being carried out or would you feel like you have nothing left to live for?

there is no justice, no compassion for the innocent... only senseless violence, terror and hopelessness.

this is the reality of the situation in Isreal right now. (Gaza and the west bank are not a separate country they are ghettos created by Isreal, because the Isrealis will not give them independence)

The Isreali government do not realise that for every single innocent person they kill they plant the seeds of bitter resentment which will fester and radicalise an entire generation of children who have lost their parents or siblings and their will to live a peaceful life.

the Isreali government do not realise (or perhaps do not care) that the collective punishment and terror that was afflicted upon them by the Nazis prior to WWII they are now inflicting on others.

on the other side
the Hamas government do not realise that the more they try to use violence to get what they want the more innocent people will die.

all acts of violence against innocent people is senseless and morally wrong no matter which side of the fence you sit on.

regardless of race, religion or creed... I do not associate myself with or do business with anyone who believes that the killing of innocent people is justified no matter what the circumstances... and I never will..

I have always been disgusted by acts of terror carried out by islamic fundamentlists.. and now I am equally disgusted with the acts of terror being carried out by the isreali government.


when will this madness ever end....

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke




So EinsteiniumWisdom, tell us more about hate!
We can clearly see who is angry and full of hate...

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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 17/07/2014, 17:58:02 UTC
Well written MJ 1990.

I only wish that everyone on this forum was as passionate as you about the cause.

We can only try to convince them and rally this movement.

I will be replying back to all those people interested in setting up the charity tonight once i get done from my work load

Once again thankyou for you support and constant information that you have provided.

A special shout out to MJ1990 and THE VUAL for their motivating posts.

Regards

Duke


It's not about being passionate, it's about being human.
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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on 17/07/2014, 16:53:04 UTC
Israel: A Terrorist Success Story

by Rob Miller

"If there was an Academy Awards ceremony for terrorism, Israel would sweep every category—and every acceptance speech would have to thank the government of the United States, whose generous support has made Israel the most successful terrorist state in the world.

How do you measure the success of terrorism? Is it by the numbers of civilians killed, maimed and terrorized or the level of disruption and fear brought to people’s daily lives? Israel scores very highly on both these counts.

Israel has its own special way of recognizing the achievements of its great terrorists—by electing them its prime minister. There are no less than three Israeli prime ministers who have long terrorist histories.

Israel has its own special way of recognizing the achievements of its great terrorists—by electing them its prime minister.
The current prime minister, Ariel Sharon, cemented his place in the hall of fame with his leading role in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, including the massacres by Israeli-backed militias in the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla. Earlier in his Israeli army career Sharon was responsible for the slaughter of 69 civilians in the Qibya village in Jordanian-controlled territory in 1953.

The Israeli prime minister at the time of the 1982 invasion, Menachem Begin, was a leader of the Irgun, one of the main terrorist groups in the Zionist movement. In the 1930s and 1940s the Zionists were trying to establish the Israeli state in what was then British-occupied Palestine.

In 1937, the Irgun launched a terror campaign against Palestinian civilians, setting off bombs in markets and attacking buses. In one attack on the Haifa fruit market 74 Arabs were killed and 129 wounded. In 1946, the Irgun set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing about 100 Arab, British and Jewish victims.

Another Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Shamir, started his career in this same period as a leader of the Zionist terrorist group, the Stern gang. The Stern gang was responsible for the assassination of the UN mediator in Palestine, Count Folke Bernadotte, and a French UN observer in September 1948.

Begin and Shamir both went on to play a crucial role in the terrorist activities carried out during the 1948 war.

“Ethnic Cleansing”

Ethnic cleansing was always going to be essential to achieving the Zionist movement’s aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine. This movement sought to escape the oppression suffered by Jewish minorities throughout history by setting up a state controlled exclusively by Jews, ruling over a country in which Jews were the majority. The process of creating such a state in Palestine would inevitably involve systematic discrimination against the non-Jewish people of Palestine.

Through a combination of lobbying, military force and terrorist activity the Zionist movement was able to win the support of the US and other powerful nations for a UN partition plan which would create a Jewish state in Palestine. The 1947 UN partition plan violated the right of the Arabic-speaking Palestinian people to national self-determination, as it denied them the opportunity to vote on whether or not they agreed to the UN plan to hand over a part of their national homeland to a colonial-settler state.

Ethnic cleansing was always going to be essential to achieving the Zionist movement’s aim of creating a Jewish state…
The UN plan was also grossly unfair in that it granted the 30% of the population who were Jewish 54% of the land of Palestine, including the most fertile areas. Despite the obvious bias of the UN plan in favor of Zionism, it did not resolve the “Arab question.”

In the area allocated to the Jewish state, Jews only barely outnumbered Palestinians (498,000 Jews to 497,000 Palestinians) and at this time the Zionist settlers only owned 6% of the land.

The solution was ethnic cleansing. By waging a war of terror against the civilian Palestinian population, the Zionists were able to occupy 81% of the total area of Palestine by the end of the 1948 war.

On April 9, 1948, the Irgun and the Stern gang attacked the village of Deir Yasseen and massacred 120 villagers. To ensure that the massacre had maximum effect in forcing Palestinians to flee, the terrorist forces raped women and girls, butchered infants and cut open the womb of a nine-months pregnant woman.

This was just one of a number of massacres that terrorized more than 90% of the Palestinian population into fleeing their homes.

After forcing the Palestinian population to flee the villages, the Israeli forces would often blow up the houses to ensure the residents had nothing to return to. To reinforce the point, the Israeli authorities then “legally” confiscated the homes, fields and property of all Palestinians who had not been in their “regular place of residence” on September 1, 1948.

Today there are more than 3.7 million Palestinian refugees registered by the UN and about another 2 million who are not registered. Palestinian refugees are not allowed to return, despite the fact that under international law they have every right to. UN resolution 194, passed in 1948, explicitly affirms this right—but Israel’s defiance of this resolution goes unpunished by the UN and the US.

While the Palestinian victims of Israeli terrorism are left to rot in refugee camps, Israel struts the world stage claiming to be a democracy. This Israeli form of “democracy” is based on driving out more than half the indigenous population of the country and thereby denying their right to participate in any aspect of society.

Meir Kahane, one of Israel’s best known civilian terrorists, openly acknowledged this fact. According to Kahane: “There is no question of setting up democracy in Israel because democracy means equal rights for all, irrespective of racial or religious origins. You can’t, on the one hand, want a Jewish state and, at the same time, give non-Jews the right to become a majority.”

Denying the right of Palestinian refugees to return is therefore essential to maintaining Israeli “democracy.”

Hostage Taking

Hollywood has produced numerous films in which “evil terrorists,” usually Arabs, take innocent civilians, usually Americans, hostage and make demands that must be met before the hostages are released.

We all know the script: the ruthless hijackers kill a hostage to show they mean business, the US government refuses to negotiate with terrorists, one of the hostages is a Special Forces-trained superhero who leads the fight against the hijackers, eventually killing them all and setting the hostages free.

These “Hollywood principles” generally reflect the public stance of the US government in relation to terrorism. This tough “no negotiations, blow the terrorists away” stance was exactly that taken by the US and its allies in relation to the Taliban’s offer to negotiate an international trial for bin Laden.

Do these principles apply to Israel?

Israel’s 1948 acquisition of territory by force went unpunished. No doubt encouraged by this success, in 1967 Israel invaded the rest of Palestine and parts of Egypt and Syria, taking millions of civilians hostage. Israel demanded that its “right to exist” be recognized before it would withdraw and release the hostages. The passing of UN Security Council resolution 242 calling on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories had no effect.

In 1973, Egypt and Syria took military action to attempt to free their citizens and territory held hostage by Israel, exercising their right to self-defense under international law. The US response was to provide Israel with all the emergency military aid it needed to defeat Egypt and Syria.

During the 1982 invasion of Lebanon the civilian toll from the terrorist activities of the Israeli army was 12,000 killed, 40,000 wounded, 300,000 homeless.

Over the course of the invasion the Israeli army used a range of terror weapons on civilians including cluster bombs and phosphorous bombs and shells. The use of phosphorous bombs and shells for military objectives is banned under the 1980 UN Geneva convention.

This description of their effect by journalist Robert Fisk explains why: “Dr. Shamaa found that the two five-day old twins had already died but they were still on fire. ‘I had to take the babies and put them in buckets of water to put out the flames,’ she said. ‘When I took them out half an hour later they were still burning.’”

The Israeli army entrusted the dirtiest work of the invasion to their right-wing Lebanese allies, the Phalangists. On September 15, 1982, the Israeli army sealed the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in West Beirut and Israeli defense minister Ariel Sharon authorized a unit of 150 Phalangists to enter the camps.

The Phalangists proceeded to slaughter at least 1000 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians over a two-day period while the Israeli army looked on.

Just because Israel is the most successful terrorist state in the world does not mean there is no role for Israeli civilians in carrying out terrorist acts.

On February 25, 1994, Barukh Goldstein, an Israeli settler, massacred around 50 Palestinian worshippers at the Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron. Goldstein was a well-known leader of Kach, an extreme right-wing Zionist organization.

Wearing a military uniform he entered the mosque and emptied two clips of a machine gun into Muslim worshippers. In the two weeks following the massacre, the Israeli army continued Goldstein’s work by killing another 30 Palestinians.

For the past 34 years Israeli soldiers have held up Palestinian civilians at gunpoint on a daily basis.
While fanatical settlers such as Goldstein are directly involved in terrorizing Palestinian civilians, it is the “ordinary” Israeli settlers who provide a cover and excuse for Israeli state terrorism and further ethnic cleansing.

Protecting these Israeli civilians provides an excuse for the Israeli army to station large numbers of troops in the Palestinian territories. The land on which these illegal settlements are built, and the “security zones” around them, is confiscated from Palestinians. To ensure the settlers can travel freely, “Israeli-only” roads have been built which divide the Palestinian territories and have required the confiscation of even more Palestinian land.

While renowned for its large-scale atrocities, Israel combines this with smaller-scale daily terrorism, which has the greatest impact. For the past 34 years Israeli soldiers have held up Palestinian civilians at gunpoint on a daily basis.

For Palestinians, the people who may kill them are not invisible; they are right in front of them every day pointing automatic weapons at them as they go about their daily business. They are the Israeli soldiers at the checkpoints, who may open fire at a suspicious movement, and the armed settlers, many of whom believe Palestinians should be expelled at gunpoint.

This is not an abstract fear, as most Palestinians have a close relative who has been killed or wounded by the Israeli army or have had their homes blown up or bulldozed by the Israelis as punishment for resisting the occupation.

According to Amnesty International, 2650 Palestinian houses were destroyed by Israel between 1987 and 2000.

The support of the US government has been crucial to Israel’s terrorist success. The US continues to provide Israel with massive levels of military and non-military aid: $US3 billion in 1997 alone and a total $US74 billion since 1949.

With the continuing support of the US government, Israel’s position in terrorism’s number one spot looks secure for some time. On the same day that the Israeli army continued its ethnic cleansing program by demolishing 18 Palestinian houses in Gaza, the US called on Palestinians to stop their violence and crack down on terrorism so that “negotiations” with Israel can continue."

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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 16/07/2014, 13:33:06 UTC
THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER HAS BEEN A PALESTINIAN STATE IN THE PAST!

Bollocks, Palestine dates back 1000 of years, compared to Israel which was 'created' in 1948.

This it was the intervention of the major powers in the aftermath of WWII that caused this mess
And I guess it is still going on to the present day more or less as it became a mass exodus for the Palestinians of that time.

Exactly, thousands and thousands and thousands of Jews illegally immigrated to Palestine escaping death during the World War ll. There was no Israel before that. It was Palestine, IT IS PALESTINE. Those Jews were given shelter, instead of being grateful, they shot Palestinians dead and occupied their land. There is no doubt that the Jews have a part in this. But at the same time, many Jews oppose to this and I would not like to put all of them on the same page because I have respect for them. And, I would be no different from all you ignorant morons. You're no better than the Nazis. It is so sad that most Jews haven't learned anything from the holocaust. You people out of all should know how it feels to be bullied and terrorized. Instead you choose to take your anger out on other innocent people. You are Hitler! You give Judaism a bad name...

It was Palestine
Im still waiting for an answer. who was the president of Palestine? what was its currency? what was its flag?


those Jews were given shelter, instead of being grateful, they shot Palestinians dead and occupied their land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

The internet is all manipulated by Israel and their funding partners. Israel pays people to promote Israel and write shit to make them look good. If you were smart, you'd see that. Hundreds of anti-Israeli posts are removed on Facebook, pro-Palestinian pages with hundreds of thousands of fans are taken down because they show they world the truth.

And for the presidents - If you read more, instead of trying to prove yourself right, you'll see that Palestine was under British Administration from 1920-1948. There was no Israel. It was Mandatory Palestine. It was PALESTINE. Illegal state of Israel didn't even exist until Jews (thousands of which were illegal immigrants) claimed it in 1949 after the World War.

"IT WAS, IT IS AND IT WILL BE PALESTINE". And Israel, with all it's brainwashing, censoring, and the military power it possesses, can never change that fact. Smiley
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 16/07/2014, 13:02:07 UTC
Israeli kids signing rockets before they fly to Gaza, killing hundreds of innocent civilians, including little precious kids.

This is not a religious war, nor is it directed towards "terrorists" (Israel is the biggest terrorist and if you use your brain, 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack and it is scientifically proven, so stop blaming Muslims for everything because they are only baits). This is genocide. This is Hitler all over again!

Get that head of yours out of the TV and grow some brain cells...

I'm not a Muslim, or a follower of any other religion. I am human, and humans don't get pleasure watching other innocent people suffer, no matter how justified those acts are...





Do you realy prefer Hamas?

http://www.noornews.ir/files/fa/news/1391/9/14/45495_813.jpg
http://chersonandmolschky.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/hamasrally2.jpg


Buhahahaha! LMAO! Are you blind? hahaha....Those are made of plastic! All those Palestinian kids do is throw stones at Israeli soldiers and how would you feel if you lost your entire family under Israel's attack? So easy for you to say. You're so brainwashed. It's unbelievable! Those kids are not Hamas. They are just kids... Hamas is Israel in a different form. Taliban, Israel, American defense forces attacking Iraq & Afghanistan (not the American people, let me be clear), they all come from the same evil womb. It's just so much easier to use baits to take innocent lives to get power, so much easier to justify them, so much more believable...
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 16/07/2014, 12:46:57 UTC
THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER HAS BEEN A PALESTINIAN STATE IN THE PAST!

Bollocks, Palestine dates back 1000 of years, compared to Israel which was 'created' in 1948.

This it was the intervention of the major powers in the aftermath of WWII that caused this mess
And I guess it is still going on to the present day more or less as it became a mass exodus for the Palestinians of that time.

Exactly, thousands and thousands and thousands of Jews illegally immigrated to Palestine escaping death during the World War ll. There was no Israel before that. It was Palestine, IT IS PALESTINE. Those Jews were given shelter, instead of being grateful, they shot Palestinians dead and occupied their land. There is no doubt that the Jews have a part in this. But at the same time, many Jews oppose to this and I would not like to put all of them on the same page because I have respect for them. And, I would be no different from all you ignorant morons. You're no better than the Nazis. It is so sad that most Jews haven't learned anything from the holocaust. You people out of all should know how it feels to be bullied and terrorized. Instead you choose to take your anger out on other innocent people. You are Hitler! You give Judaism a bad name...
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Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.
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MJ1990
on 16/07/2014, 12:31:48 UTC
Israeli kids signing rockets before they fly to Gaza, killing hundreds of innocent civilians, including little precious kids.

This is not a religious war, nor is it directed towards "terrorists" (Israel is the biggest terrorist and if you use your brain, 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack and it is scientifically proven, so stop blaming Muslims for everything because they are only baits). This is genocide. This is Hitler all over again!

Get that head of yours out of the TV and grow some brain cells...

I'm not a Muslim, or a follower of any other religion. I am human, and humans don't get pleasure watching other innocent people suffer, no matter how justified those acts are...



http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/afplive254935.jpg  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Bloody_child's_shoe_after_rocket_fired_from_Gaza_hit_Israel.jpg