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Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion. Paycoin XPY CoinStand Mineral. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)
We're considering our options at this point, but chargebacks will hit us NOW. Filing charges against GAW means we get in line to collect "anything" which won't be much when it's all said and done.
If I were in your shoes (I wouldn't be, since would never have repped a questionable operation, but just for the sake of argument) I would be trying 1000% to find a way to make my customers happy, or not happy at least less pissed off. If I go to Home Depot and buy a box of wingnuts, and find when I get home that the box is empty ... Home Depot is going to refund my money even if they paid for the empty box with cash. This is not any different.
I am not your customer, but you might consider store credits, a special deal on something else, etc. so you at the very least are sharing in the pain and making a customer a deal at the same time. FWIW.
When we got involved it was a simple mining operation. Once it turned weird and shady we got out. I won't put our name on something we don't believe in and GAW got ugly on us.
We are always open to ideas and are willing to work out something with our customers, but if every single one charged back to us ALL of us would go out of business and probably lose everything including our homes.
Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion. Paycoin XPY CoinStand Mineral. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)
Who is BigWoody? Are they on the payroll or something... they're completely fighting against charge backs ( https://hashtalk.org/user/bigwoody )
Not sure but if people file chargebacks against the ex-resellers that will screw us badly. Most resellers had to wire money to GAW or use BTC to buy stock so we have no way to charge most of that back to GAW.
Something to keep in mind.
I understand that, but you resellers need to be putting together a class action suit already in hopes of getting paid out of SEC activities. It sucks to be in the middle, but you did sell the 'product.' So... why don't you resellers get together with the defrauded customers (GAW defrauded) and jointly register a class action against GAW Miners and Stu?
Believe me, I know it sucks to be a reseller in that position, but part of being a reseller is deciding what to sell.
We're considering our options at this point, but chargebacks will hit us NOW. Filing charges against GAW means we get in line to collect "anything" which won't be much when it's all said and done.
Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion. Paycoin XPY CoinStand Mineral. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)
Who is BigWoody? Are they on the payroll or something... they're completely fighting against charge backs ( https://hashtalk.org/user/bigwoody )
Not sure but if people file chargebacks against the ex-resellers that will screw us badly. Most resellers had to wire money to GAW or use BTC to buy stock so we have no way to charge most of that back to GAW.
Something to keep in mind.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
I think you're blowing this mod thing out of proportion, I could see a lot of people wanting to be mods and signing an NDA if they were asked to simply thinking it applied to the information they see and the standard user doesn't. Ban reasons comes to mind.
I agree that an NDA for a public forum is questionable but on the other hand I can understand people wanting to be mods and not thinking twice about signing it before the last couple of weeks. Lots of them probably saw being a mod as an honor (for lack of a better word) at some point, it doesn't mean that they aren't entitled to change their mind or think constructively.
I agree that an NDA for a public forum is questionable but on the other hand I can understand people wanting to be mods and not thinking twice about signing it before the last couple of weeks. Lots of them probably saw being a mod as an honor (for lack of a better word) at some point, it doesn't mean that they aren't entitled to change their mind or think constructively.
hashtalk is the centerpiece of Garza's whole scam operation which stretches beyond paycoin and includes Hashlets and other products before that. The censorship is used, along with the RA-RA cultists, the grandiose announcements, and manipulative fake accounts as necessary, to lure investors into the scam. That's why being a mod is so complicit in the scam. They are handling one of the critical parts of the scam, censorship. I'm sure not every mod knew, but I'm sure some knew what was up.
I don't see why they would have shared any incriminating evidence with MODs, it would make no sense to me.
I do agree with your statement that being a MOD means you have to censor but I think it was easier to do because of the turf wars, it's easy to ban a user who ends up saying "you're a piece of s***" after being taunted and called a troll by the consensus.
We're all humans, I'm sure they were thinking they would do good when they signed up and over time changed their mind and became uncomfortable. Some people may have a binary mind but it takes time for most to go from "this is great" to "I can't continue to do this".
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that it's all roses and pink, I just think people are blowing this issue out of proportion and there's no need to resort to name calling.
They weren't banning just users saying shit. They were banning any users asking wise questions that they didn't want to answer or to be seen by the followers. I know, cause I was one (the very first time I got banned).
I know, I got shadow banned myself for no reason. I'm saying that it's easier to censor when people are pushed beyond their breaking point, then you can justify the ban on an actual rule being broken. A lot of the critical question bans were made that way, you let the person be pushed beyond their breaking point and write something stupid and use that as the ban reason.
Josh shadow banned.
Until the new 'admins' began abusing the power themselves.
Yeah, root dude seems like an asshole. Always posting about having a hammer. Makes me think he has a wee one of his own he's compensating for.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
I think you're blowing this mod thing out of proportion, I could see a lot of people wanting to be mods and signing an NDA if they were asked to simply thinking it applied to the information they see and the standard user doesn't. Ban reasons comes to mind.
I agree that an NDA for a public forum is questionable but on the other hand I can understand people wanting to be mods and not thinking twice about signing it before the last couple of weeks. Lots of them probably saw being a mod as an honor (for lack of a better word) at some point, it doesn't mean that they aren't entitled to change their mind or think constructively.
I agree that an NDA for a public forum is questionable but on the other hand I can understand people wanting to be mods and not thinking twice about signing it before the last couple of weeks. Lots of them probably saw being a mod as an honor (for lack of a better word) at some point, it doesn't mean that they aren't entitled to change their mind or think constructively.
hashtalk is the centerpiece of Garza's whole scam operation which stretches beyond paycoin and includes Hashlets and other products before that. The censorship is used, along with the RA-RA cultists, the grandiose announcements, and manipulative fake accounts as necessary, to lure investors into the scam. That's why being a mod is so complicit in the scam. They are handling one of the critical parts of the scam, censorship. I'm sure not every mod knew, but I'm sure some knew what was up.
I don't see why they would have shared any incriminating evidence with MODs, it would make no sense to me.
I do agree with your statement that being a MOD means you have to censor but I think it was easier to do because of the turf wars, it's easy to ban a user who ends up saying "you're a piece of s***" after being taunted and called a troll by the consensus.
We're all humans, I'm sure they were thinking they would do good when they signed up and over time changed their mind and became uncomfortable. Some people may have a binary mind but it takes time for most to go from "this is great" to "I can't continue to do this".
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that it's all roses and pink, I just think people are blowing this issue out of proportion and there's no need to resort to name calling.
They weren't banning just users saying shit. They were banning any users asking wise questions that they didn't want to answer or to be seen by the followers. I know, cause I was one (the very first time I got banned).
I know, I got shadow banned myself for no reason. I'm saying that it's easier to censor when people are pushed beyond their breaking point, then you can justify the ban on an actual rule being broken. A lot of the critical question bans were made that way, you let the person be pushed beyond their breaking point and write something stupid and use that as the ban reason.
Josh shadow banned.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Don't stare too closely at these ex-mods guys.
The only thing you don't have is proof. Other than that you're golden.
eh, just ignore him.
Suchmoon has a good cause here, we agree with his sentiments, we gave all we could. Waffle is just on a witch hunt for information that non of us have. He's not worth any more of the trouble.
Yeah, I put him on my ignore list. MOB too.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Don't stare too closely at these ex-mods guys.
The only thing you don't have is proof. Other than that you're golden.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Don't stare too closely at these ex-mods guys.
Go back in your basement. Mama said you been bad.
Or man up, get a warrant and actually DO something. You sit on a forum ranting about something and have no proof other than your own speculation.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Notice how quick all the mods resigned then came in here to say "I don't know anything" lol. The rats are jumping from the bilge and are swearing they didn't know the boat they were on were selling products illegally. or better yet, "NDA". Homero taught them well.
Simply because they probably don't know anything, if MODs did know something a number of them would have created sock puppet accounts behind a VPN and spilled what they knew a long time ago. Clearly you are overestimating their capabilities. Here's how GAW runs:
1) Josh announces something
2) Joe and everybody else hears about the feature and scrambles to make it "work"
3) They launch the "thing"
4) It's broken
5) Spend a month fixing it.
6) Repeat.
You missed what I added to my post...
Oh, and before you start stomping and ranting I have "inside knowledge" this is SOP for them and anybody with a brain can see this.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Notice how quick all the mods resigned then came in here to say "I don't know anything" lol. The rats are jumping from the bilge and are swearing they didn't know the boat they were on were selling products illegally. or better yet, "NDA". Homero taught them well.
Simply because they probably don't know anything, if MODs did know something a number of them would have created sock puppet accounts behind a VPN and spilled what they knew a long time ago. Clearly you are overestimating their capabilities. Here's how GAW runs:
1) Josh announces something
2) Joe and everybody else hears about the feature and scrambles to make it "work"
3) They launch the "thing"
4) It's broken
5) Spend a month fixing it.
6) Repeat.
Oh, and before you start stomping and ranting I have "inside knowledge" this is SOP for them and anybody with a brain can see this.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Now that this thread has devolved into something wouldn't even make the pages of HT I'm done.
Anybody accusing resellers and mods of being part of this can go pound sand. You're pissed about this situation and you're looking for something that isn't there. If you want to man the fuck up, get a warrant or STFU and go back in your basement and let your mommy make you a PBJ.
Anybody accusing resellers and mods of being part of this can go pound sand. You're pissed about this situation and you're looking for something that isn't there. If you want to man the fuck up, get a warrant or STFU and go back in your basement and let your mommy make you a PBJ.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
It's clear that they know incriminating evidence or have had chats with such material in them. We're not like the sheep on HashTalk. You can't just waive an NDA in our face and we think that everything's ok. We're wolves, and we'll tear every last scammer involved in this to shreds if we have to.
And that may be the point. Possibly, not saying this but it is possible, they are simply giving a potential prosecutor a "raised hand" in a public forum in case an investigation starts... An NDA can be nullified by a judge very easily and would produce zero blow back while still allowing for the release of information.
This thread is nothing but a bunch of basement Columbos thinking they can figure out this great mystery and who can be implemented in their "court of justice".
Go after GAW, the resellers and mods know nothing about what's going on.
I think you mean it is a bunch of people that attempted to do a public service rather than sell shit to peons, like you did.
I applied to be a reseller on day one of the hashlet launch, then saw the ridiculous returns and immediately said "no thanks" when Josh emailed me.
I don't think that what you did was illegal, but c'mon, so many red flags it was obvious as hell for the last seven months where this would end. No basement Columbos are needed, just people that aren't out to screw everyone else.
So you're stating that resellers intentionally screwed people?
I'm saying when I was put in an identical position to you, I chose not do it because I could not support GAW in good conscious all the way back in July.
You could and did. Clearly bad on you. If you want to say it was unintentional, fine. Like I said, I don't think what you did is illegal or should be charged with all this. I also am not here to blame more of the mods, but hopefully you can blame yourself rather than coming in here with your self-righteous shit.
You fucked up. Just accept it.
Uhhh, take a step back. Now.
I was involved with Eric back in zencloud times and resold those devices. We then were brought on to GAW when that "merger" happened. We sold hashlets up until the Primes left then the market LEFT. I don't think we sold anything up until we quit. The market killed ALL SALES!
So clearly you have NO idea what you are talking about and are throwing accusations around like you DO know. So STFU because you sound like you are making accusations you cannot back up.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Being first on page 666 would really make my day.
Too bad.
Say it isn´t so.
Let's try this again....
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Being first on page 666 would really make my day.
Too bad.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
It's clear that they know incriminating evidence or have had chats with such material in them. We're not like the sheep on HashTalk. You can't just waive an NDA in our face and we think that everything's ok. We're wolves, and we'll tear every last scammer involved in this to shreds if we have to.
And that may be the point. Possibly, not saying this but it is possible, they are simply giving a potential prosecutor a "raised hand" in a public forum in case an investigation starts... An NDA can be nullified by a judge very easily and would produce zero blow back while still allowing for the release of information.
This thread is nothing but a bunch of basement Columbos thinking they can figure out this great mystery and who can be implemented in their "court of justice".
Go after GAW, the resellers and mods know nothing about what's going on.
I think you mean it is a bunch of people that attempted to do a public service rather than sell shit to peons, like you did.
I applied to be a reseller on day one of the hashlet launch, then saw the ridiculous returns and immediately said "no thanks" when Josh emailed me.
I don't think that what you did was illegal, but c'mon, so many red flags it was obvious as hell for the last seven months where this would end. No basement Columbos are needed, just people that aren't out to screw everyone else.
So you're stating that resellers intentionally screwed people?
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Peculiar trait of these ex-mods and believers, stomp their feet and scurry off. One can see now why they fit so well in there in the first place and exactly how that odd-ball place was run. I do wonder if they are born this way or trained.
Been participating in this thread off and on for over a week now.
I'm no longer going to discuss ex-mod situations, you guys have been given everything we can give, as we don't have anything to give.
That's the part that seems to not make sense, We're telling you there's no more, and you're poking for something that's not there.
We do NOT have any more information than what has already been stated on every other forum about or by GAW.
We? Who is this we you speak of?
The other more affable fellow ex-mod seems to be itching to open up has folder of secrets, in fact he may have even dropped a nugget earlier. But certainly it seems he has some very interesting things to say and is not quite confident just yet......owing to......the NDA.
Your "it's clear" is somebody else's "what??" There's nothing there. I wasn't a full mod, but was in the mod chats and I can tell you we learned NOTHING pertinent to current situation.
Just let it go on that front. You can rant and stomp your hoof all you want but you're only going to make yourself look foolish.
We left because we didn't support the plan moving forward. Nothing more, nothing less.
Uhh, did you see the timeline they posted publicly? THAT plan moving forward.
They told the resellers to go pound sand as they didn't need us anymore, so we all quit.
Jesus, tell your mom to pack you a lunch and go see the sun sometime and relax.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
It's clear that they know incriminating evidence or have had chats with such material in them. We're not like the sheep on HashTalk. You can't just waive an NDA in our face and we think that everything's ok. We're wolves, and we'll tear every last scammer involved in this to shreds if we have to.
And that may be the point. Possibly, not saying this but it is possible, they are simply giving a potential prosecutor a "raised hand" in a public forum in case an investigation starts... An NDA can be nullified by a judge very easily and would produce zero blow back while still allowing for the release of information.
This thread is nothing but a bunch of basement Columbos thinking they can figure out this great mystery and who can be implemented in their "court of justice".
Go after GAW, the resellers and mods know nothing about what's going on.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Peculiar trait of these ex-mods and believers, stomp their feet and scurry off. One can see now why they fit so well in there in the first place and exactly how that odd-ball place was run. I do wonder if they are born this way or trained.
Been participating in this thread off and on for over a week now.
I'm no longer going to discuss ex-mod situations, you guys have been given everything we can give, as we don't have anything to give.
That's the part that seems to not make sense, We're telling you there's no more, and you're poking for something that's not there.
We do NOT have any more information than what has already been stated on every other forum about or by GAW.
We? Who is this we you speak of?
The other more affable fellow ex-mod seems to be itching to open up has folder of secrets, in fact he may have even dropped a nugget earlier. But certainly it seems he has some very interesting things to say and is not quite confident just yet......owing to......the NDA.
Your "it's clear" is somebody else's "what??" There's nothing there. I wasn't a full mod, but was in the mod chats and I can tell you we learned NOTHING pertinent to current situation.
Just let it go on that front. You can rant and stomp your hoof all you want but you're only going to make yourself look foolish.
We left because we didn't support the plan moving forward. Nothing more, nothing less.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Volder has been on this forum a couple of times. He has nothing to do with HT or GAW at this point. In the past he was a reseller of hashlets. Luke R. is customer service\help desk when they did hardware. I would not have put GAWS employees on that list anywhere its just not right - There just doing there job. I can understand the upper management being put out there but not the employees.
Employees must be aware of the scam, they're not forced to work for Gawminers and they should be contacting law enforcement agencies instead.
If you have a choice between a job or no job what are you going to take. They may not know its a scam. Companies frequently keep there employees in the dark.
Nothing is in the dark when it comes to gawminers.. I rather quit my job and collect food stamps than to work for them.
The only explanation is that they're all in on the scam.
You're painting a picture with awfully broad strokes here fella. If this was a detective movie you would be pulled off the case.
Re: GAW Zen Hashlet PayCoin unofficial uncensored discussion. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-)
Oh no.. I made a little mistake.
Calm down, don't get mad at me.. get mad at the Josh for making millions from lying.
Calm down, don't get mad at me.. get mad at the Josh for making millions from lying.
So you can accuse people without actual proof, and that's ok because it's a "little mistake"
Interesting.