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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 26/06/2025, 07:50:52 UTC
563B from one of my Apollo IIs.....

Anyone hit into the trillions with an Apollo II yet?
Best Share 1,383,813,752,733
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 13/06/2025, 16:24:17 UTC
How can I run Bitcoin Knots on FutureBit Apollo II Full Node BTC Miner?
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 22/05/2025, 13:52:33 UTC
My Apollo II Full Node has a static IP. How can I direct external miners to connect to my node and mine?
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 22/05/2025, 09:11:46 UTC
With Stratum V2 protocol getting more and more implementation is there a way with Apollo II Full Node to decide on my own block template? Where the block template is currently being configured? 
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 12/05/2025, 08:34:48 UTC
Is it possible to submerge Apollo II Full Node BTC Miner into a immersive cooling system?
If yes, please share step-by-step actions to remove the fans.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 02/05/2025, 15:39:41 UTC
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 07/02/2025, 20:30:39 UTC
Looks like the Dashboard was not ready for Zettahash speed.
Mine Node page shows:

1.00 undefined
Network hashrate

About 108 trillion
Difficulty
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 16/12/2024, 12:07:31 UTC
...I think I can run at least 10 units from a single household socket, can't I?

Ah, NO.  you can't run 10 units from a single household socket.  So, your running turbo.  That means at least 350-400 watts.  your little wattage meter is an indication of the watts being consumed by the Miner itself but does not include power consumption by the raspberry pi CPU.  350 Watts X 10 is 3500 watts.  3500 / 120 Volts = over 29 AMPS  you would be heating the wires in the wall.  Most household circuits are 15 or 20 amps. and you don't want to run max breaker power.  you want to run 75% of load for variance.  Running a 20 amp breaker at 20 amps will cause the breaker to eventually trip and fail.   You need to have an accurate digital tracking power meter to see how computers work.  IT's not a steady power but an average power.  The miner is constantly changing consumption multiple times per second and power fluctuates up and down a few watts per miner. 

You would want a dedicated 20 AMP circuit and even better 2-120 Volt circuits split across a 240 Volt phase at the panel.  That way each outlet balances out the 120V load if you have 5 apollos on each outlet. Don't forget a backup power supply and line conditioning regulation as the noise from 10 miners could cause problems.  Computers and switching power supplies are the noisiest additions to houshold ac circuits.
My socket voltage is 240V @ 50Hz.
So 3500 / 240 = less than 15 Amps. Yes, I will run in turbo mode, so let's assume 4000 watts / 240 = less than 17 Amps. I got your point, I still won't run 10 from the same wire, only 3 to 5.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 16/12/2024, 08:13:09 UTC
Forgive me for sounding insensitive: Are you for real? The Apollo units are mini computers and should be handled as such. If your intended location (glassed in balcony) provides a relatively clean environment other than being cold, use it. Obviously you are not going to use them "outside" where they may be subject to heavy moisture and/or heat. Your hounding of the Future Bit support staff for the "exact" tolerable criteria smacks of arrogance and/or ignorance. Do some research regarding pc hardware and you will easily find much general info.

Regarding the warranty: Future Bit clearly expects them to be used in the home (or home like environment). If maintaining the warranty is vital (for cost reasons, etc,) I get it. Most failures of new electronic goods will crop up very early in their lifespan. Run them a while and when comfortable they are "good", maybe worry less about warranty...

Again, searching with Google, DuckDuckGo, Ai, etc. will provide answers to your question regarding running multiple units from one node unit. I have read of several people plugging in a usb hub to the unit and hooking up several units that way. I run 6 Apollo units through one node unit wired through my home network. Research.
Thank you very much for your response!
You do not sound insensitive at all!

I do understand that Apollo units are literaly mini PCs. I have experience running servers 24/7 inside a dedicated AC cooled room. I will be running my Apollo inside an AC cooled room during a summer. However, during winter season it is more efficient to run it in a place that I do not heat up. My glassed balcony is covered, protected, clean and quite cool during winter. We use our balcony frequently everyday. It is ideal for Apollo unit as it won't have hard time cooling itself.

I will monitor Temp and Humidity and will ensure that the first is above 5 degrees C and the latter is below 90%. There is a very low risk to hit a Dew Point Temp.

It is great to know that I can run more than 2 Standard units via USB hub.
I think I can run at least 10 units from a single household socket, can't I?

I am excited to evelove further on in the home-based mining field!
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 16/12/2024, 07:09:15 UTC
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Hi the unit is only warrantied to run on an inside climate controlled environment.
Due to changes in humidity/snow/rain and moisture or heavy dust going into the unit can damage it and that is at your own risk.

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I have a Glass Balcony that protects the area from humidity, snow or rain.

Please share the specs for the environment that the unit must be operated:
1) Temperature: Min/Max/Rate of Change
2) Humidity: Min/Max/Rate of Change
3) Dust: Max

I want to additionally purchase x2 BTC Apollo II Standard Miners to connect to my Apollo II Full Node via USB to increase the hashpower.
I need to plan the environment and the layout of the units.
Is it true that an Apollo II Full Node can only accommodate 2 Apollo II Standard Miners?

Please advise.
I will share their response.
I am pleased with Futurebit's response:

Hi temp ranges are from 5-40c, and humidity under 90% but making sure you are not operating near the dew point is what is essential, as this will cause condensation to form on the unit and cause damage.

As long as there is no head dust buildup on the unit, its intake or exhaust you should be fine, but will most likely require frequent cleaning to insure no dust settles on sensitive components.

You are not limited to two units and can run as many as your power/breaker allows with a USB hub.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 12/12/2024, 15:08:35 UTC
I want to run my miner in Turbo mode most of the time. Apart from it is beeing noisy at that mode, my appartment is quite warm during winter season. Is it OK if I operate the miner outdoors? Outside temperature during winter can range from 15 Degrees C to close to 0. We may have a few days below 0 in February. Humidity is below 80%.
I will locate the miner in my balcony and will fully protect it from any dust and rain.
up.
I sent an email to Futurebit Support on the subject 2 days ago, but still didn't get an answer.

My batting average for replies from FB support is 3-7 business days.  They aren't impressing me. 

And the switches are on back order (it took 2 emails and 7 days to get a response on this one), so I have no idea when my Apollo II will be running again.

I ordered another Apollo during the BF/CM sale.  They said 6-10 days.  Today is day 8, no notice of shipment yet.
They replied:
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Hi the unit is only warrantied to run on an inside climate controlled environment.
Due to changes in humidity/snow/rain and moisture or heavy dust going into the unit can damage it and that is at your own risk.

I responded:
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I have a Glass Balcony that protects the area from humidity, snow or rain.

Please share the specs for the environment that the unit must be operated:
1) Temperature: Min/Max/Rate of Change
2) Humidity: Min/Max/Rate of Change
3) Dust: Max

I want to additionally purchase x2 BTC Apollo II Standard Miners to connect to my Apollo II Full Node via USB to increase the hashpower.
I need to plan the environment and the layout of the units.
Is it true that an Apollo II Full Node can only accommodate 2 Apollo II Standard Miners?

Please advise.
I will share their response.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 10/12/2024, 11:52:24 UTC
I want to run my miner in Turbo mode most of the time. Apart from it is beeing noisy at that mode, my appartment is quite warm during winter season. Is it OK if I operate the miner outdoors? Outside temperature during winter can range from 15 Degrees C to close to 0. We may have a few days below 0 in February. Humidity is below 80%.
I will locate the miner in my balcony and will fully protect it from any dust and rain.
up.
I sent an email to Futurebit Support on the subject 2 days ago, but still didn't get an answer.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
by
MakerAZ
on 09/12/2024, 10:35:47 UTC
yeah that would work but with poor user experience.
You wouldn't get any stats until you submit a valid block share. For a solo pool like ckpool there is simply no other reason.

The pools difficulty is just a handshake in the stratum api.
For example:
you can send 1 share >100k with fluctuating stats.
you can send 10 shares >10k with smooth stats and balanced bandwith/ressource usage.
you can send 100 shares >1k with smooth stats and higher load
and without this limit you would (D)DoS the pool Wink


As the others have said your "Best" should be > network difficulty for a valid block share.
Otherwise you can check that everything is working as expected (The Apollo generates a handful of accepted shares every minute).
Or just for fun to see how close your best share was but without any future correlation.
And you can see if your best share is statistically average or good/bad luck.

Ok, I am getting there.
Pools difficulty is just a handshake - makes sense.

Your "Best" should be > network difficulty for a valid block share - That means, that if out of a pure luck tomorrow early morning my Apollo finds a valid block, then I will see a number higher than 103T in my Best Share window of the Apollo Dashboard. Correct?
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 09/12/2024, 04:14:13 UTC
That is correct for the bitcoin network difficulty.
But each pool has its own smaller difficulty for each miner because it is neither possible nor necessary for the pool to check every single hash.
For solo mining the Apollo runs a "mini pool" in the background.

... each pool has its own smaller difficulty... - This one has just blown my mind. What does that even mean?

To my understanding the pool would check a single hash ONLY if it is submitted as a valid block. There is simply no other reasons.

I know that Apollo runs its own pool, but I don't understand how could that pool have its own smaller difficulty that is different from the bitcoin network difficulty? It makes no sense.

The network difficulty increases as more/faster miners find valid hashes.
If by "the network difficulty" you mean the bitcoin network difficulty, then of course I understand this as it is a core principle of the bitcoin network, but I cannot correlate it with the "Best", "Accepted" and "Rejected" Shares on the Apollo's Dashboard.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
by
MakerAZ
on 07/12/2024, 23:28:45 UTC
When Apollo shows 13B Best Shares, does it mean that I managed to pull 13B winning tickets, that I managed to FIND a Valid Block at the current network difficulty level BUT did it too late?
NO its more like you matched 13 Billion of the 103 Trillion numbers needed to win.  Tongue

So the number of Best Shares that Apollo shows contains only the Best Shares for my latest attempt (last 10 min) or ALL historical Best Shares since I started mining?
All historical
I truely appreciate all the responses I get from the members, but I feel myself completely dumb as I cannot understand this Best Share, Accepted Share and Rejected Share terms.

Mining BTC is a LOTTERY.
It doesn't matter if I mine with 200 EH/s speed mining farm or 5TH/s home Apollo miner. In BOTH cases, mining BTC is a LOTTERY. As such I either WIN or LOSE roughly every 10 min.

Of course as higher my hashrate as bigger my chances to find a valid block within 10 min, I do understand that.

Now, what Apollo's or ANY miner's Dashboard would show me to be informative and meaningful?
1) Hardware health status: CPU and Miner Temp, Fan Speed, Power Consumption
2) Software health status: Errors, Issues, Bugs, Latest version, Updates, etc.
3) Hashrate speed and its Fluctuations over time.

As for assessing a performance of any miner it should come down to: What is the MOST DIFFICULT Hash found by the miner, i.e. the biggest number of leading zero's and the comparison of that number to the network's current difficulty requirements.


To my understanding EVERY SINGLE HASH irrespective of the number of leading zeros, i.e. its difficulty, is a Proof of Work. It means EVERY SINGLE HASH is the Accepted Share. Rejected Share could be hashes that simply failed validation.

This may be a topic for a separate discussion, but mentioning it here might help my understanding. I honestly get confused when the network's difficulty number increases. How come? Harder difficulty would mean there are LESSER valid hashes within the range of 2^256-1.

Please shed some light on this.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
by
MakerAZ
on 07/12/2024, 13:23:35 UTC
Basically in simple terms, think you're playing the lotto and buy one ticket. You have a chance of winning with just one ticket, but your odds are very low, and they increase if you play with more tickets. (the big mining pools and farms are playing with millions of tickets).
So the number of Best Shares that Apollo shows contains only the Best Shares for my latest attempt (last 10 min) or ALL historical Best Shares since I started mining?

Now think if they pull the winning numbers first, ( the difference is instead of only 6 numbers the numbers are thousands) and we need to buy random tickets looking for the right combination of numbers before anybody else does. Your one ticket hits 1 number, not enough to win, but that is your best ticket, now you buy another, and you hit 3 numbers, this is still not enough to win, but this is your new best. Every new block @10 mins is a new lotto drawing, your old best number from another block means nothing toward the new block other than a way to show how close you had come to winning. The lower your hash rate is like only buying one ticket compared to the mega farms/pool buying millions of tickets every 10 minutes or for every new block.
When Apollo shows 13B Best Shares, does it mean that I managed to pull 13B winning tickets, that I managed to FIND a Valid Block at the current network difficulty level BUT did it too late?

The winning combination is @the new difficulty number (the winning lotto numbers). Now it's set up to average a block/winner every 10 mins, so if there is a winner faster the difficulty amount of numbers increase to make it harder to find the right numbers and if it goes longer than 10 min the difficulty amount of numbers goes down.
This is clear.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 07/12/2024, 11:13:05 UTC
BestShare=Network Difficulty=90-100T=Block
Thank you for your reply, but honeslty that equation is not clear to me.
Does it mean my best share number should be between 90 and 100T to have a chance to find a valid block?
And what is the maximum Best Share number that a single Apollo II Full Node Miner can achieve?
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 07/12/2024, 06:06:40 UTC
my new best share 256,887,704,896
still a long ways away I know, but glad to see higher numbers.
Mine is just 13B. I still cannot understand what this Best Share number is all about?
I also have 12B accepted shares, which tells me nothing.
I am mining SOLO with Apollo II Full Node.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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MakerAZ
on 06/12/2024, 13:12:14 UTC
I want to run my miner in Turbo mode most of the time. Apart from it is beeing noisy at that mode, my appartment is quite warm during winter season. Is it OK if I operate the miner outdoors? Outside temperature during winter can range from 15 Degrees C to close to 0. We may have a few days below 0 in February. Humidity is below 80%.
I will locate the miner in my balcony and will fully protect it from any dust and rain.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread
by
MakerAZ
on 20/11/2024, 03:02:46 UTC
The default Outbound connections a Bitcoin Core node will make is 10, sometimes 11. This is hard coded into the application. You can force it a little higher with the addnodes command.
All the rest of the connections you have are Inbound connections.
31/32 means you have 10 Outbound and 21 Inbound connections.
This is great! Thank you so much!