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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 05/02/2018, 08:00:47 UTC
Hey everyone!

We're just making an update post to inform the community of our current development and goals for Manta.

As previously mentioned, we're currently working on some issues that we've come across with double-spends and security issues, as well as the weighted balance mechanism that is necessary for Manta to work that is still in development.

We want to make it clear that we want Manta to be one of the best currencies out there, as a currency with a clear improvement in use cases that triumphs others. Because of this, we are not starting faucets/distribution until Manta is fully developed and ready for use, and due to the previously mentioned issues and the fact that it's still in development, we're unable to give a concrete date as of right now, although we will release a road-map once we have a timeline in which we can expect Manta to be ready for release.

Another thing that we're doing is expanding our development team to expedite the release of Manta as much as possible, and we're looking forward to having access to a more powerful team as a whole.

One thing we will be doing is temporarily locking this thread as the majority of recent comments have been FUD or simply repeats of the same questions, such as questions pertaining to timelines.

We will re-open this thread when we're closer to release and have an updated timeline so that meaningful discussion can take place.

Overall, this project has become more difficult than expected to our team, though we will do everything in our power to change the way commerce is enacted through Manta, no matter how much effort it takes.

Cheers and Regards,

Brian, Jason, and Nikhil
 
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 05/02/2018, 02:37:23 UTC
Hello, I saw that the donations were closed, but I donated well before closing, on January 28, but I did not see my name on the donor list, can you please confirm that everything went well? I really want to receive the 10500 mana tokens.
I'll leave here the donation id of raiblocks:

https://raiblocks.net/block/index.php?h=65A7AA03BF3D86D2680E3554327811A03504C91EC4B20ED9F38D459EEF1CC950


If everything is ok, and I need the address of my ethereum wallet to send the tokens, it follows:

0x6E6989E8E27F7EEA351Ebae77bFbDbF76cEC8EfE

We'll be sending out the tokens shortly!

hi there,

Since you changed the settings for your account and I can't DM you anymore, could you please provide an email/twitter or any other way of contacting you directly. As I have sent you money (and you confirmed), I'd like to get details on token distribution and provide you the addresses privately.

Hi Ahri, we've re-allowed it so that you can send us your ETH address.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 04/02/2018, 19:09:57 UTC
I'd donate as well, please PM me

Hey cryptodetective!

We've distributed the MantaTokens allocated for donators and have closed donations at this time.

Brian
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 04/02/2018, 00:43:19 UTC
You remove the roadmap and still no website  Huh

I had a lot of faith, but now your team is scaring me.

We removed the roadmap as we are re-evaluating our dates due to the issues previously mentioned.

Brian



Keeping an eye on this project.

When will faucets be available?

Faucets will be available in March.

 
Sound interesting, will this be the definitive thread for ANN that you will update or should we expect another?

This will be the main thread and continually updated.

I have bookmarked it. So if I understand well most of the distribution would be done by the way of faucets? This would create quite some decentralisation of ownership...

Yes, the majority of the distribution will take place through faucets.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 02/02/2018, 04:07:08 UTC
Ive read through all 26 pages of this project. Will wait until i see more development.. Though seems promising too many negative comments. Specially some big ones made by members will lots of tenure on Bitcointalk. I always put into consideration their opinion. Either way will follow closely.

you haven't read the entire thread because many posts are deleted as it is a self moderated thread.  So naturally your view will be narrowed to whatever the OP has decided to leave in the thread.. just hope you are aware of that.

Dave, most of the comments we've had to delete were you previous vulgar ones.

Ive read through all 26 pages of this project. Will wait until i see more development.. Though seems promising too many negative comments. Specially some big ones made by members will lots of tenure on Bitcointalk. I always put into consideration their opinion. Either way will follow closely.

you haven't read the entire thread because many posts are deleted as it is a self moderated thread.  So naturally your view will be narrowed to whatever the OP has decided to leave in the thread.. just hope you are aware of that.

It's strange that the moderator does not allow us to view ALL pages at once as of last night too.

We did not change anything in regards to viewing all of the pages, I believe that viewing all pages is unavailable after reaching 25+ pages.



any updates on the project been a minute ?!

In regards to an update on Manta, we're currently working on the wighted-voting/representatives system, as well as fixing some security issues such as a double spend we've come across.

Once all of these issues are sorted out, we should be looking towards the official release and distribution of Manta  Smiley

Jason
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 01/02/2018, 15:26:14 UTC
A lot of people saying you are scammer, why you dont defend yourself?

Hey Luksx1!

When a small amount of users simply spam using large letters and vulgarities, there's no need to reply to them as they provide no argument in the slightest.

Brian
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 01/02/2018, 02:45:17 UTC
Hello, intriguing project.

I have a few questions that I believe warrant addressing -

How will manta address raiblocks balance-weighted-voting method? Because you know the weight of a representative it wouldn't be truly anonymous?

Also, how do you plan on hiding the timing of information, as advanced network analysis makes this also a necessary thing to make hidden.

Apologies if these questions have been addressed earlier in the thread. Appreciate you taking the time to address these very important questions.

In regards to using a balance-weighted voting system like Nano/RaiBlocks, our plan is to have balances associated with a representative while obfuscating the address that the balance is associated with.

This part of the design is still a work-in-progress that we're currently working on to make Manta a reality.

Jason



How much to donate is left?

20% of the MantaTokens for donators are still available.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 31/01/2018, 18:59:57 UTC
donated several days ago, waiting to receive my manta :/

they were really quick to respond when I was showing interest in donating, not so fast after

They have already given me my MNTA Token for now. Give it some time. Dude must be getting a crap load of PM's.

worddd  yea you right.  guess i been extra paranoid these days lol

We have sent you the appropriate tokens!

Hey everyone!

We're making a quick update post to notify you all of a change regarding the process of receiving MANTA for donators.

Due to many requests, we've decided to utilize an ERC-20 Token on the Ethereum Network, with the conversion of 1 MantaToken "MNTA" being swap-able for 1 MANTA when wallets are released. We will make sure the swapping process is as simple and easy to understand as possible.

If you've donated, to receive your MantaToken's, simply PM us your Ethereum address, and we'll send the appropriate MantaToken's, as well as instructions as to how to view your custom token.

We recommend using MyEtherWallet as it's the easiest and simplest way to view and receive your MantaToken's.

Note that due to potential PM restrictions, we may not be able to reply as fast as we'd like to, though we'll make sure everyone receives their MantaToken's as well as the proper instructions to utilizing them.

As for an update in regards to Manta itself, our network tests have shown promising results, and we're working to get Manta as close to completion as possible.

Best Regards,

Brian, Jason, and Nikhil

Manta Dev Team

I will PM you my Eth address now. Will this put development back some?  Why not just keep the current system of the faucet?  I am sure many wouldn't mind waiting to receive the actual MANTA token and not the erc20 version.

We're still using a faucet for distribution of Manta to the public, as for donators, we simply chose to utilize an ERC-20 Token to make it less chaotic on the actual release of Manta, as it has taken us days to simply process and reply to all messages.

Are you guys still accepting Donations?

I have that some question.

Yes, we still are.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 30/01/2018, 16:55:54 UTC
Please update the pastebin and let us know how many coins have been given out.

We'll be updating the pastebin later today, as for the MantaTokens given out, currently ~75% of amount allocated to donators has been distributed.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 29/01/2018, 19:57:09 UTC
I have sent PM yesterday and no anwer. You are probably very busy, so I will post it here. I donated a few days ago smaller amount of XRB and I would like to receive my MNTA tokens. My ETH address: 0x7c043FDCD9a5261f0B33e3D2d5bf58c3AA0C8fca.

Hope I get my Manta Smiley


We've replied and sent your tokens  Smiley

We've been swamped to the nines with messages, so we're sorry for the late response.

Jason.

Jason,

Do you have a date for which donations will be closed?

Thanks

We don't have a date set in particular, although we're looking at mid-late February or if the all the allocated tokens are given out, whichever comes first.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 29/01/2018, 06:01:12 UTC
Sent you guys a donation yesterday and pm'ed, but still haven't gotten any response back or been sent the coins. Thanks.

I can confirm that we've received it and have now sent the appropriate tokens!

Still waiting for mine, check your inbox =)

Thanks! Awaiting further developments.

Also, when do donations close?

Hey derickonfire!

We've replied and your tokens are on the way.

Jason
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 29/01/2018, 02:46:47 UTC
Sent you guys a donation yesterday and pm'ed, but still haven't gotten any response back or been sent the coins. Thanks.

I can confirm that we've received it and have now sent the appropriate tokens!
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 28/01/2018, 14:25:24 UTC
Hello,


Are donations still up?

Can you confirm that you received my donation pls Cheesy

Yes, donations are still up, and I can confirm we've received your donation and have sent the MantaTokens  Smiley

When faucets starts? Huh

We aim to have the faucet around mid-March.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 20:22:05 UTC
How come your roadmap lists "Whitepaper & official website" twice, both for February and for July?

We've fixed it!
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 16:50:10 UTC
Any idea what kind of rewards we're looking at after solving one captcha? What kind of rate can we expect to earn when solving captchas?

We're looking at something similar to RaiBlocks' rate, such as the faucet giving out a max of 17,000 MANTA per hour to all users combined.

As for rewards per solve, it would be dependent on how many solves have been done in the current hour, although we predict the reward to be ~6-10 MANTA per 100 solves.

That means the faucet will go on for about 245 days? 75 percent of supply is 100m, with 408 000 given out everyday.

My apologies, I meant to type 170,000.

170000 per hour is about 2800 per minute.

The reward would be about 10 Manta per 100 solved captchas, so 0.1 Manta per captcha.

A human could probably solve an average of 4 (non-trivial) captchas per minute, so you get 0.4 Manta per minute per person.

So, 2800 Manta per minute means that 7000 people would have to solve captchas every minute, for an entire month (or whatever it's going to last).

The verify: 7000 people * 4 captchas per minute * 60 minutes in an hour * 10 Manta per captcha / 100 captchas = 168000 (close to 170000 Manta per hour)

If we presume that all these people would work 8 hours every day, we have 21000 distinct people who would do only this for a month.

Therefore, the average would be 6300 Manta per person (133 millions / 21000 people).

Considering the stated rate of about 1 cent per Manta, a person would have to work for a month to get the equivalent of 63 USD.

For those who don't intend to solve captchas for a month to get the equivalent of 63 USD, the question is: will there be an exchange available at the start?


We'd like to get on a reputable exchange as early as possible, although we can't guarantee anything in that regard.

Also, in regards your calculations for someone working for a month on the faucets, we doubt that the price of Manta will be 1 cent for very long  Wink

Jason




Already received my tokens guys, very fast!

Thanks, we're happy to hear that!
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 15:15:39 UTC
Hey everyone!

We're making a quick update post to notify you all of a change regarding the process of receiving MANTA for donators.

Due to many requests, we've decided to utilize an ERC-20 Token on the Ethereum Network, with the conversion of 1 MantaToken "MNTA" being swap-able for 1 MANTA when wallets are released. We will make sure the swapping process is as simple and easy to understand as possible.

If you've donated, to receive your MantaToken's, simply PM us your Ethereum address, and we'll send the appropriate MantaToken's, as well as instructions as to how to view your custom token.

We recommend using MyEtherWallet as it's the easiest and simplest way to view and receive your MantaToken's.

Note that due to potential PM restrictions, we may not be able to reply as fast as we'd like to, though we'll make sure everyone receives their MantaToken's as well as the proper instructions to utilizing them.

As for an update in regards to Manta itself, our network tests have shown promising results, and we're working to get Manta as close to completion as possible.

Best Regards,

Brian, Jason, and Nikhil

Manta Dev Team
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 14:16:41 UTC
that project looks like Stone.. what is the diffrence with it?
I am very interesting with all 2.. is there airdrop? or can I make a donation?

Thank you for reading me

In regards to us and Stone, our involvement of using zkSNARKs is similar however we have our doubts that Stone can do what they say it'll do. Stone claims 7,000 tx/s with zkSNARK's, which is quite frankly near impossible.

As for Manta, we are not using an airdrop, instead our distribution is 75% via public faucets, 20% to early donators, and the last 5% is in a dev fund.



that project looks like Stone.. what is the diffrence with it?
I am very interesting with all 2.. is there airdrop? or can I make a donation?

Thank you for reading me

Donation has been close by the OP, This is a airdrop via Faucet System same like RaiBlocks. This will be a good project and a true proof of work distribution via faucet.

Donations are still being accepted, and yes, distribution is through a public faucet.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 13:44:11 UTC
I donated 7 XRB, I want to be on the list, I believe in your project, you can do it  Cool Grin

Thanks for the kind words, we've added you to the list!

When will you STOP taking donations, at what point / limit / amount?

We've allocated 26,649,658 MANTA for donators, so we will stop accepting donations after that threshold is reached.

And how many allocated for now?

10,126,870 MANTA has been allocated so far.

How's that? Your Raiblocks Wallet totals up to more than 3500 XRB - however i am not able to find any major transaction for XRB in your donation list. Biggest donation is 7 XRB?

We've had some donator's request to remain private in regards to the donors list.




Colin has said that it's not possible to just slap zkSnarks on Raiblocks. And this is what the Manta developers want to do according to their whitepaper. I'd really love to donate, but I'm hesitant cos I don't know what methods they are considering in order to circumvent this. At least the Azulik developers are trying a different approach.

While it's not possible to simply slap it on, it is possible to still achieve fast transaction times of 10-15 seconds with our implementation of zkSNARKs for privacy.





How many people are on your team? Is it just two devs?

Our team currently involves three devs!
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 04:49:40 UTC
Any idea what kind of rewards we're looking at after solving one captcha? What kind of rate can we expect to earn when solving captchas?

We're looking at something similar to RaiBlocks' rate, such as the faucet giving out a max of 17,000 MANTA per hour to all users combined.

As for rewards per solve, it would be dependent on how many solves have been done in the current hour, although we predict the reward to be ~6-10 MANTA per 100 solves.

That means the faucet will go on for about 245 days? 75 percent of supply is 100m, with 408 000 given out everyday.

My apologies, I meant to type 170,000.


Thanks for answering.

My followup question is: The exchange issues for raiblocks was because of this design, i.e. 6-7 tx/s on a single wallet. And they only have a band aid solution as of now. With your 1.5-2 tx/sec do you anticipate tougher problems with exchanges for Manta? Or do you have some better and cleaner solution/design in mind to handle exchanges?
(All the above is based on my understanding, i might be wrong)

Hi Manta, can you please answer this question?

We've been seeing how RaiBlock's has fixed their node issues and look to learn from their fixes. Some of the issues have also been with the exchanges themselves, rather than the node's since RaiBlock's structure is radically different.

Also, although our tx/sec is lower, our transaction speed is meant to be around 10-15 seconds which would not bottleneck Manta's transactions worse than RaiBlocks.

I've read some comments that they already donated some. I would be also willing to donate, for you to help to get 26,649,658Manta. What are the process?

You would just need to PM us what currency you're sending as well as what address it would be from, so that we can verify the donation with you.
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Re: [PRE-ANN] Manta - DAG & zkSNARKs - Fast, Fee-less, Private Cryptocurrency
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MantaCurrency
on 27/01/2018, 03:32:48 UTC
Any idea what kind of rewards we're looking at after solving one captcha? What kind of rate can we expect to earn when solving captchas?

We're looking at something similar to RaiBlocks' rate, such as the faucet giving out a max of 17,000 MANTA per hour to all users combined.

As for rewards per solve, it would be dependent on how many solves have been done in the current hour, although we predict the reward to be ~6-10 MANTA per 100 solves.