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Eth Address: 0xffd4A4080bCB4A851f21BfFA94468bD0e63786ea
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You have raised more than 100k ETH in phase 1, and in phase 2 you will raise more, congratulations for the successful phase 1.

Hätte ich doch nur meine Ether behalten

 
Dan, thanks for the response. It's encouraging that the team is at least willing to consider and reply to dissenting opinions.


It may be useful to be more specific about the "everyone" you mention, and what I believe Vlad called "community". For the scope of this discussion, allow me to segment that into "investors" and "programmers".  

You mention those that "profit" by building something with their energy and time. The word "profit" here is ambiguous; what I think you mean is to make a living, and not to profit from the Aeternity token. If so, then I believe who you're referring to here are programmers and founders. In this case, will Aeternity like most other crypto projects not offer faucets and test nets? And even when the programmer's projects go live, will the gas/fees not be adjusted to always be of nominal expense? If so, then I don't see how "getting AE tokens" would be relevant to this group, ever. Furthermore, this coin will be available on exchanges long before the vast majority of programmers and founders discover it, let alone build a dapp on it. Correct me if I'm not understanding.

Your comment about ROI makes me think that you don't understand that the investors, not the programmers, are the ones sitting with their finger on the mouse at the dawn of the crowd sale. We are of course looking for a ROI, albeit not necessarily a quick one, because this is our job. We are not necessarily interested in building anything with Aeternity, but we have every reason to hope that others will. Many of us also have the best interest of the crypto ecosystem in mind. Too many people losing money attracts negative attention. We are providing the value of equity for your project, and taking a substantial risk in doing so. If there were no ROI, there would be no investors, and no runway for your work (Not every investor is in for a quick turnaround either). If you agree with that statement, and value the investment part of your community, then it follows that you'd be eager to recognize our interests too. This includes at the very least allowing us to understand what we're paying for our contribution, and reducing the risk we incur, where possible - especially to the new investors, of which there are now many in this space.

For the sake of other forum members, I'm going to "cap" my reply here, unless you specifically request more of me.

One hallmark of a strong leader is the willingness to reevaluate decisions given new information, and keep ego out of the equation. Several people here have made well-reasoned arguments for a cap, and against the idea that an unbounded crowd sale is "good for the community". I think most people would appreciate hearing a reasoned rebuttal, addressing the new points.

Otherwise, given the sale hasn't occurred yet, and modifying a line of the contract for a cap should be simple -- the head-in-the-sand response of "we've already decided" -- appears to be an emotional response. Indications of emotion-based decision making will not bode well for the project.

 
That doesn't change the argument, only the time frame. For that argument to be true, only a few people would have the idea to jump in at the last minute, making only a nominal impact on the total amount raised. The problem is that an unbounded raise will lead a significant number the total investors to adopt this "last minute" strategy. In this situation the cap could jump by $20M in the last 10 seconds. People hit refresh to find out the value of their investment went down by half. Again, if the concern is truly for the community, then the team would not allow its most vulnerable members -- those with little to no investing experience, and without the ability to have their investments tied up for two years, until the market recovers -- to be placed at risk.

Waves is overbought, Lisk is overbought, I don't know how much Aeternity will raise, but what I confirm is over 10k btc is overbought, hope only 1-5000 btc so that investors can make money.

Please stop have signature campaigns, and bounty campaigns. This is such a turn off for a lot of people.
Real investors, invest in sound projects.
Then you resort to these campaigns, all it does is fill the forum with beggars who have no real input to the project.

Hi!

"trustless" usually is a confusing word.
On IT (mostly P2P networks) it's used to point systems and/or platforms where users are safe without having to trust third parties honesty while having your money on their hands. (like a Bank)
Here, when talking about state channels, It means parties transact/trade without having to trust a "third" or even between each other, while doing it lightning fast.

Taken from the whitepaper.

Good news, the ICO is imminent, they should plan ico campaigns to raise awareness to the community, bounties are necessary to do this.

If this people are really serious and looking for funding they need to stop this child play. Make yourself visible so as to verify your identity, people are wiser now, the era of just appearing and disappearing with investors fund is gone

Trolls are gonna troll. Best way to go about them is to ignore them.

Hi Dan. I think you're full of shit.

Best regards.

Frank Lefty Rosenthal Signing Out.

Any slack channel to communicated with some people/members?

People are supposed to invest with no escrow and no one telling us who the team is. Yeah right! GTFOH.

Frank Lefty Rosenthal Signing Out.