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Re: 1 out of 2 multi sig setup scenario with hidden public keys
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Michiel
on 29/12/2024, 18:13:51 UTC
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Thanks for the clarification. This confirms my assumptions.
I don't have time for a 10 minutes video (what happened to just writing text?), can you give a summary?
Not a summary, but my own opinion: partially leaked seeds are vulnerable for brute forcing at some point in time. Shamir's secret sharing can be used instead.
You're basically turning a 1-of-2 multisig into something where you need 2-of-3 locations to recover the funds. Why not use a 2-of-3 multisig the way it's intended, and add all public keys to each share?
That's a good question. A difference is that with 1-of-2 you don't need to deal with partially signed transactions, which might be a convenience with less experienced bitcoiners (like my heirs).
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Re: 1 out of 2 multi sig setup scenario with hidden public keys
by
Michiel
on 27/12/2024, 18:30:34 UTC
@LoyceV
Thank you for your answers.

RE Q1:
I understand the public key will be available on the blockchain if transactions are already done, but how does the attacker know which transaction? The public key of a seed differs if it's part of a multi sig wallet or a single sig wallet right?
RE Q2:
Safer from an attacker
RE Q4: That's also an option, but passphrases can be forgotten. I'm not saying this setup is a good idea, I just want to know the details and make a good decision.

@alexeyneu
I'll read that stack exchange page. Thanks.

@hosseinimr93
This is for a wallet with less funds and I want it to be able to manage it with max 2 wallets.

@apogio
Thanks for the link.

@alexeyneu
It's not a given attackers know how much you have.

@nc50lc
"A client/wallet will not be able to sign by having only the private key of a single signer without the redeem script or cosigner's public key to reproduce it."
Clear! It's essential to store the public key of each cosigner. If they are not leaked, the private key can't move funds.



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Re: 1 out of 2 multi sig setup scenario with hidden public keys
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Michiel
on 26/12/2024, 20:04:28 UTC
you've read this right. wallet has a single cosigner. either you or that guy can perform this duty
Sorry, it's not 100% clear for me. If that other guy doesn't have both public keys, can he still transfer the funds?
To restore the wallet you need one key and both public key but to move funds you do not need more than one key.
Sorry, it's not clear yet for me. I'm trying to ask questions which could be answered with yes or no, but your answer is confusing me. Without both public keys, it's not possible to move funds (question 1)?

I understand, if you have both public keys and have one private key, you can move the funds, but that's not what my confusion is about.
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Re: 1 out of 2 multi sig setup scenario with hidden public keys
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Michiel
on 26/12/2024, 19:29:19 UTC
Since it is 1 of 2 means one key is enough to move funds. There are no point to have a 1 of x wallet.
You can move funds without knowing both public keys and with only one private key (seed)?

When I create a multi sig wallet with Electrum, it's showing the following warning:
"Warning: to be able to restore a multisig wallet, you should include the master public key for each cosigner in all of your backups."
This suggest you cannot send funds with ONLY one private key (seed). Am I reading this wrong?
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1 out of 2 multi sig setup scenario with hidden public keys
by
Michiel
on 26/12/2024, 19:16:22 UTC
Suppose I have a 1 out of 2 multi sig setup, which seed A in location A, seed B in location B and the public keys stored in location C.
question 1: If seed A is leaked, is it true the attacker still can't access the funds because he doesn't know the public key related to seed B?

question 2: Would this setup be safer compared to having one seed into two places?

question 3: Can the attacker extract info if the seed is part of a multi sig setup?

question 4: With the 1 out of 2 multi sig setup, can I put some small funds on addresses related to the seed in single sig setup, so the attacker would think he got bait, but in fact he only gained access to the small funds and not the full fund?
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Re: [solved] Electrum 2 out of 3 multi-sig wallet needs only one signature
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Michiel
on 03/05/2024, 07:19:37 UTC
@Cricktor I didn't follow a tutorial exactly, but I've read https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/multisig.html and https://bitcoinelectrum.com/creating-a-multisig-wallet and of course I made a mistake. I didn't consider the consequences of the "Enter cosigner seed" option.

Thank you for the reminder. I'll store the seeds in different locations and all public keys in multiple places.

@nc50lc
That's exactly what I mean. I'm glad I checked this (and asked about the confusion) before doing any valuable transactions.

That's true, and I think it would be a nice addition to the information dialog to show for which cosigners the current wallet can also sign the transaction.
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Re: Electrum 2 out of 3 multi-sig wallet needs only one signature
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Michiel
on 02/05/2024, 14:06:45 UTC
Wonderful! Thank you all so much, especially nc50lc.

Wallet C (actually it was the first one that I created) contained all 3 seeds, I didn't know that was possible.
I assumed when creating a wallet and you insert the 3 seeds, it would store the first seed and compute the public key of the other two and store them.
It's confusing the UI is showing the "main said" and not the others.
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Re: Electrum 2 out of 3 multi-sig wallet needs only one signature
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Michiel
on 01/05/2024, 19:15:18 UTC
@BitMaxz

If wallet C thinks that's a unsigned transaction, although it's a signed transaction, that would mean wallet W could sign transactions, but that would be wrong because it's a view-only wallet. I even re-created the view-only wallet just to be sure it would use only public keys.

I don't think there are any mistakes made during creation if all addresses across all four wallets are the same right?

Not sure yet where my mistake is.  Huh

The wallets are all created with 4.5.3 and yesterday I updated to 4.5.4, but no effect.
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Re: Electrum 2 out of 3 multi-sig wallet needs only one signature
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Michiel
on 01/05/2024, 14:21:24 UTC
@Z-tight

Thank you for your response.

Let me clarify.
1. I signed the unsigned transaction with wallet A and it said partially signed. I didn't save the partially signed transaction.
2. I repeated this for wallet B, so I signed the unsigned transaction again (so not the partially signed transaction of wallet A, because that one I did not save.) and it said again that is was partially signed. Again, I didn't save the partially signed transaction.
3. I repeated it again for wallet C. I signed the unsigned transaction and it said (full) signed! It was not necessary to sign it with another wallet in order to broadcast it.

I thought, this is not possible, but I repeated this process 2 times again to verify.

Hope it's clear now.
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Electrum 2 out of 3 multi-sig wallet needs only one signature
by
Michiel
on 01/05/2024, 12:10:05 UTC
⭐ Merited by ABCbits (2)
Hi,

I'm playing around with a multi-sig wallet and I've the following setup.

  • PC with a view-only wallet W with internet.
  • Old laptop with 3 wallets (A, B & C) with seed and without internet
  • They a list the same addresses

When I create a transaction (with just 10sats/vbyte to confirm it gets into the mempool, but it's not executed anytime soon if at all) from wallet W it's unsigned. I store the transaction on a usb stick and copy it to the laptop. When I load it in wallet A and sign it, it says partially signed. The same holds for wallet B.

When I do the same for wallet C (based on the same unsigned transaction), it says it's (fully) signed. I can even copy the (signed) transaction to the PC and broadcast it from there. I verified it twice and I'm sure I didn't import a transaction that was already partially signed by wallet A or B.

How is it possible that a 2 out of 3 setup only needs one signature? Please let me know if you need more details.
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Re: [ANN][GRA] Grain - New PoW/PoS coin | Fast, secure | Version 1.1 Released!
by
Michiel
on 17/12/2013, 17:56:57 UTC
Sorry for the noob question, but I can't seem to build headless in Ubuntu Saucy.

Using make -f makefile.unix gives an error after some time. Any ideas or is there a linux binary?
What error did you get?
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Re: [ANN][GRA] Grain - New PoW/PoS coin | Fast, secure, super bonus blocks
by
Michiel
on 15/12/2013, 13:08:54 UTC
As long as there is no exchange site I present to you

http://graincointrade.freeforums.org

The perfect chance to make the first transactions
and proove the Grain as profitable.
Sign up and trade with us.
What is the difference between trading in this topic (or a separate topic) and your forum?
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Re: [ANN][GRA] Grain - New PoW/PoS coin | Fast, secure, super bonus blocks
by
Michiel
on 15/12/2013, 11:31:22 UTC
So, what are the future plans?
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Re: [Poll] Choose the GRA logo you like the best!
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Michiel
on 14/12/2013, 07:57:19 UTC
Logo 2 for sure. Good job Probeer.
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Re: [GRA] 10000 GRAs giveaway per person - Grain - the great crypto coin!!
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Michiel
on 13/12/2013, 15:10:10 UTC
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Re: [ANN][GRA] Grain - New PoW/PoS coin | Fast, secure, super bonus blocks
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Michiel
on 13/12/2013, 15:02:58 UTC
It works like a charm. No troubles with compiling / running / (pool) mining.
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Re: [ANN] [FZ] Frozen | Super secure hashing | CPU mining
by
Michiel
on 12/12/2013, 17:19:37 UTC
After compiling on Ubuntu I received the following error on command ./frozen-qt:
"Error loading wallet.dat: Wallet corrupted"
Same problem after rm ./frozen/wallet.dat.
Any help?
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Re: [ANN] WorldCoin WDC | Coin of the Future | Instant Transactions | Launched
by
Michiel
on 08/12/2013, 09:38:07 UTC
Has anyone had any success with the Ubuntu wallet for Worldcoin?  I downloaded the qt-linux-opensource-1.4.0-2-x86-online.run but what do I do with this file?  It won't run, I let Ubuntu find an application to deal with it and I ended up creating a "parchive".  What the hell?  Thanks for any help!!!!
Follow these instructions http://worldcoinforum.org/topic/21-how-to-compile-wdc-wallet-in-linux/
and remove ~/.worldcoin/peers.dat before starting ./worldcoin-qt for the first time.
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Re: [SOLD] MtGox Yubikey coupon code
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Michiel
on 10/09/2012, 16:48:10 UTC
Received the first half of the payment before sending the coupon code and received the other half afterwards. Everything went well.
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Re: [WTS] MtGox Yubikey coupon code 0.9 btc
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Michiel
on 09/09/2012, 08:45:44 UTC
Bump.