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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 05/10/2017, 09:14:47 UTC
Maybe the reason why the token sales are very low is that investors are waiting for cheaper Ethereum before buying IMMLA. I would also do this the same way.


Hmmm. Maybe, maybe.. I thought that the main reasons are the state limitation in Asia (China, Korea etc.) and the common market overheating. Ethereum wasn't to high before starting ICO. It started going up later. But matybe you're right, Scambust. I should think about it...
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 05/10/2017, 08:53:46 UTC
What will you do if you can't reach soft cap amount? Please let us know because we are in signature campaign for more than a month.

As I said above I'm still sure in our private placement investors and theirs promices. Nevertheless in next two-three days there will bw the Board and we will descuss all the situation and our further steps.
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 05/10/2017, 08:50:56 UTC
Maybe the reason why the token sales are very low is that investors are waiting for cheaper Ethereum before buying IMMLA. I would also do this the same way.
yes and there are more then tem 10 days remaining for contributors
i hope the sell will make it and the ico will finish with success
and price of eth is already down
waiting for more dump i think there only 5 to 10 % chances to dump on eth
pre-ico sale was good but ico is little slow
only 600 eth collected for now maybe in next 10 days ico of IMMLA will collect enough for the project

I heard in telegram that there are going to be private investors that would make ico a success according to the team and they seem sure on it so..... yeah who knows things might turn around towards end of ico hopefully.

Yes, we're still sure because we have promices from some investors. We know them as a very responcible persons.
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 05/10/2017, 08:48:02 UTC
There are also pre-ico investors to consider.  If the ICO gets cancelled, I assume they lose their money?


Hi Freo!

Just have remembered one story:

"...There was in Northern Greece a land called Macedonia, which was once ruled by a king named Philip.

Philip wanted to become master of all Greece. He therefore collected a great army and conquered all Greece, until only Laconia remained unconquered. Then he sent a letter to the brave Lacons saying: "If I invade your country, I will destroy your great city."

In a few days an answer was brought back to him. He found only one word written in it - that word was "If""

I beleive in IMMLA, and I'm with IMMLA
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 25/09/2017, 19:14:45 UTC
What is the date and time of the ICO? thank you.

Hi Chrmel612,

ICO will last till the 15th of October. You may find all the information on immla.io website. But please check the spelling! No "i m r n l a" (imrnla), but "i m m l a" dot io
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 25/09/2017, 14:28:51 UTC
They give 40% bonus in pre-ICO and hardcarp on pre-ICO successfully achieved, but on ICO now very little sales

%40 bonus is not too big bonus. I saw more bonuses in other projects, they were still successful in ICO stage. I think something else is missing in Immla. They should've collected more money already.

Hi Razor5,

Yes, you're right. The only thing we miss during ICO is the marketing campaign. It is still on hold. That's the result of our security activities we've started at evenint 14-09, when our site was attacked. We're still in the proccess of the hostings relocating and audit of all the security parameters, so the advertising is still on hald as I said above. We're wating for the permission of our security team in the nearest days. We can not risk with the investors money so we're prefer to be more conservative than another ICOs.
BTW we have more than 600 investors during pre-sale and only one of them was private placement ) So we believe in public market for our project. We're just wating when the ad campaign will be started again

Thank you!

Mikhail

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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 20/09/2017, 14:35:45 UTC
Invested 382 ETH
It looks like ICO is a little slow. I was expecting more money raised in first days.

Hi Supersaian,

yes, ICO is slow, but this is the controlled situation - we're relocating servers, testing scripts and doing other steps within security before we improve the ad campaign...

)) Honestly, I've described the situation several times here, so everything goes the right and controlled way )))

Keep in touch!
 
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 20/09/2017, 14:16:57 UTC
The ICO minimum according to the whitepaper is 18,000,000 IML tokens which equates to 4945 ETH.  There is a long way to go at the current pace.
Hi Freo,

yes, it looks the way you said. Our advertising campaign is still on hold. It will be lasted untill all the security points will be solved. We prefer not to risk the investors money than to reach money any possible way. I think till the end of this week everything will be fixed within the security and we'll start to improve our commercials campaign.We need only in softcap now, just to protect our preICOs investors interests. And we have three weeks for that, it's pretty enough.
IMMLA goes ahead! Dont forget, we're logistics guys, the issues solving is our core busines day by day, hour after hour!

Immly yours,
Mikhail
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 18/09/2017, 21:57:25 UTC
Invested 338.5 ETH

Is this number without presale? How much total did you raise in presale?

Hi, SUPERSAIAN!

For 16 days we sold 13,232,941.67 IML tokens and raised 2 540 ETH


so immla raise 8 times more in pre-sale than real ICO. and in between you scam the pre-sale investor to scam them and fill your greedy pocket. why you think your ico failed?

Already they are providing the details of what you want and if you are an investor in Immla then share your address with them. I think they started the ICO on the weekend so there is are chances that Immla bounces back.

Hi Miningguru!

You're absolutely right. We have enough time to get any targets we need to be achieved this round.

Miningguru, what I want to say - since you have so speaking nickname, what do you thing about the comparing mining and ICO-investments? What is more profitable in the short/middle and long-run? As you think.
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 18/09/2017, 21:47:56 UTC
Invested 338.5 ETH

Is this number without presale? How much total did you raise in presale?

Hi, SUPERSAIAN!

For 16 days we sold 13,232,941.67 IML tokens and raised 2 540 ETH


so immla raise 8 times more in pre-sale than real ICO. and in between you scam the pre-sale investor to scam them and fill your greedy pocket. why you think your ico failed?

Hi NewbCoins,

We have onle 4 pre-investors disagreed with our both strategy and approach, and only 2 of them gave theirs wallets numbers + we have (for now) 2 investors (not involved in that group) who want to partysipate in buyback programm. So there are 6 of 600 pre-ICOs ones, who decided IMLLA isn't going the right way.
ICO is going unhurriedly because we've limited all the marketing campaign and hold all the private placement invesors after the scamers/hackers attack to IMMLA site/sources. We need to check all the points/componentы due security, we're changing the hostings, we're checking the smartcontract and so on. We have to do this for all our investors' assets to be protected. So, untill we're not sure in this we will not raise the marketing. Now we need only in softcap to be raised for pre-ICO token-holders to be protected. When all the current security problems are solved, we'll improove the campaign.
And btw, most of pre-sale investments came to us on the last days. So there no issue to be nervouse. IMMLA has very strong strategy and management. We came here not for quick money. We came to change the biggest industry in the world economy and to make our investors extremely rich.

In touch!
  
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 18/09/2017, 01:11:13 UTC
Invested 338.5 ETH

Is this number without presale? How much total did you raise in presale?

Hi, SUPERSAIAN!

For 16 days we sold 13,232,941.67 IML tokens and raised 2 540 ETH
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 17/09/2017, 20:24:10 UTC
This is one of the most interesting projects
yes this one is most intresting project and its a Supply & Logistics
i have seen this project' s ico countdown on here!
https://www.coinschedule.com/icos/e878/immla-ico.html
its ico is going well
i am keeping eye on this project and i also contribute little amount of eth and buy some IMMLA tokens
and i hope it will be successful ico and project will be end up with success

Thank you, Mehar_Gee. Thank you both for your support and investment!
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 17/09/2017, 20:23:06 UTC
Better give back the ETH of the disgruntled preICO investors ASAP, it is always best to weed out the bottom sellers even before trading of the token. These weak hands can influence a market if they are a larger group than anticipated.

The sale of the ICO phase will determine if there are stronger hands of investors coming in. 
Scambust, hi!

We can give back the ETH only when they give us tokens back, since tokens are not issued by smartcontract yet. This is the issue behind our possibility to do it right now. Sure we want to make everybudy happy immediately. But we should wait, unfortunately. We should wait it because of smartcontract regulations.

Yours,
Mikhail
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 16/09/2017, 11:00:00 UTC
I'm surprised that the project has collected so little. Idea is perfect. Everything is original. This is the first logistics platform at Blochkchain.

Yeeah )) I've explaned the situation one post above ))

Keep in touch, Vangardo!
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 16/09/2017, 10:58:31 UTC
ICO started yesterday. Some more advertising. The volatility in the market seems to have affected ICOs as well.

Hi Osmanli42,

yeh, you're right. We've limited the advertising campaign for a period just to check the site security more carefully and to implement the buyback programm for the group of pre-ICOs investors who are afraid of theirs IML-tokens devaluation.

The advertising will be rised in two-three days.

Keep immling! )
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 16/09/2017, 10:44:51 UTC
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The IMMLA vision of situation is the following - we've faced the inimical campaign which was planned by the group of web-scammers just to crash down teh official IMMLA site and community. They provocated that hype just to launch the false site imrna.io (I M R N A) and get the new investors money during the team was involved in that discussions. Thats why they called us as "scammers" - they were the scammers theyself. They just needed the hype to distract the team.

Nevertheless some of true preICO investors were influenced with such a wrong arguments they had used, and we suggested for them the buyback programm in case if ICO be more successful than our previous estimations. This is the compromiss. On the one hand the confused preICO investors can fix theirs profit from investments to IMMLA much earlier then any another project ever, earlier than official exchange release. On the other hand they can stay the tokenholders of the more successful company, then the previous estimation.

What a fairy tale you are talking here. That´s not what happened in telegram and you were there. No one created hype. No one talked about a false site, no one even used the word "scammer". We were polite in every moment and you were there, even talking in private with a guy from our group. That´s why i know you know we were all from the same group of investors, and all of us were investors. No scammers, no phising, nothing related with what you are talking about here. And you know what? The group complaining represented by a few in telegram bought nearly 20% of all the preico. And we are now in contact with a lot more of people. I´m pretty sure more than 50% of preico investors are in contact right now outside your network. Don´t believe me if you don´t want to. There´s a reason why you are alone now. We the preico investors were your only community and we are all now pissed of.

But guess what, i´m not talking about telegram anymore. Because that´s a place where you feel comfortable. It´s our word against yours and it has nothing to do with the real facts that are important here.

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The normal invest practice is the following - if the investor wants to keep his|her share in any asset in case of additional emmission, he/her needs to buy the additional part of that asset. That is the normal and traditional solution. Maybe it could be some benefits for old investors (not very big, a few percents usually) but it couldn't be under the intimidation or even outstanding pressure.

Right. Then answer me this simple question. Why the founders and team % remains the same after you doubled the supply? Why you received double tokens? You bought them all? Come on, we are not all stupid.
You changed the supply in a very early stage, between preico and ico, and by a lot! doubles! what if you decide to give me half tokens keeping the supply intact? You see that right? Well that´s exactly what you have done, only keeping my tokens and doubling the supply.
If you change your supply before investment for whatever reason and keep your % so you don´t lose value is fine, no one can complain. But if you do that AFTER receive investment under certain supply conditions you are stealing value from your investors. A lot of value. And not from just any investor, from the ones that took more risk with you and believe in you most!

Under intimidation or outstanding pressure you say... nothing about that was there, nothing, we didn't even start talking outside until you banned us. know why? we didn't want to hurt the project. But then you gave us no other choice.

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Thats why we suggested buyback programm. If someone thinks we're scammers - get your money back with the garanteed profit and let them be ashamed of theirs words. Scammers never give money back. IMMLA is serious and reponsible business-project. We go forward anyway, either ICO successful or not, either the scammers make squeal or hackers make ddos-attacs - IMMLA is going to be stronger and closer to our targets anyway.

Your buyback program is fake because it requires a certain amount of eth raised to activate. You are raising eth for a month and you need people to sign for refund in seven days. It´s impossible to ask for the refund and know if you are going to get it. And lets face it, there´s no way you are going to rise between 40K and 50K ETH the buyback program needs to activate. And if you do, it will be long after the period to subscribe into the program expire.




Hi immlapreicoscam,


The only I want to say is everybody sees his/her own truth. And nevertheless the real situation for you as the preICO investor is the following:

there is only one ICO situation when you can lose - if IMMLA is not get soft cap.

In between softcap and 46000 eths - the share of pre-ICO investors within the total ammount emmissioned is the same or higher than it was assumed in WP_1. Here you win in the share volume.

If 46/47000 eths is rised - the pre-ICOs can fix their 43% profit due to the buyback offer for preICOs ones. Here you win in fast monetezation of your investments.

If IMMLA rises more then 46/47000 eths - you became the tokenholder of the bigger company with less token shares, but with more company's potential and bigger opportunity for token emmissioned to rise on exchange. In thus case you win as middle/long-run investor with bigger IRR opportunity.

The only you need is just to make the decision till the 22th of October.

You puch the comany, the campaign, other investestors and your own interests. It can not lasted for a long time. One week is enough for any decision. I believe you're smart investor and make the best choise.

And, ones again - I'm really sorry for the misunderstandig. Yes, sure, we should be more carefull with any changes in the fiture. But now we'ew all where we are. Let's go ahead any way/ And good luck for all of us.
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 16/09/2017, 10:08:24 UTC
success started?

end fail

immla scammers

Dear NewbCoins,

pls send us the wallet you participated with durig IMMLA's preICO. You'll get 43% eths more for your IML tokens, then you've invested in us two months ago. I'm sure you're true IMMLA pre-ICO investor, not the scammer or hacker, so you can partisipate in profitable buyback programm.

Thank you,
Mikhail
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 15/09/2017, 22:55:40 UTC
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Hi Capitomil,

your approach is perfunctory and wrong. As an example - so if the volume is rised is less then 46000000 IMLs - let say 30000000 - IMMLA are to decrease the share of preICOs to make the proportion the same as in maximum level.
The second part of your post should be described more detaled. We fixed the team bonuses on the same share level just becouse the team should bring the possibillity to rise the investments for our earlier China expansion and for sensors deve group. That is the big challenge for them which can make the huge dividents for all tokenholders, both preICO and ICO. So we decided to motivate them. And the founders share is the same because we use it for the upside motivation for the private placement investors, who gives our common project $500'000 and more. Our PP programe is only 30% of hardcap because the upside for this group of investors is no more then 30% (btw, less then preICO ones have got) and the founders share covers it totally.

Thank you,
Mikhail

Finally you answer the question!! great!!

But trust me you better didn´t, this is a huge LOL, you are saying:

We double the supply because we had to, you know, reasons, and everyone with tokens has to buy more if they want to keep their share!! its the only fair thing and how serious and responsible business are conducted blablabla. But oh well there are a couple of exceptions. The team, i mean us, well you know. We have tokens too but we don´t have to buy more to keep share, let me explain: Thanks to our work the company is going to grow so hard. The chinese people will come in, possibilities, growing, thanks to us! because we do all the work you know, the possibilities are here because we work. so we need to motivate the team! because big challenge! china and stuff! So it´s like a bonus, we double their tokens for free so they are motivated and work hard and we all, i mean you my dear investor make money.  And well also the founders, of course, they also get free double tokens without paying. Another exception! But it´s fair: they invested a lot of money and well, we used that money for the project, imagine we tell them that their share is cut in half! hahaha maybe they don´t like it, they invested with us so much! they are so important! we love them! they all get free double tokens, its fair.

Everyone else you already has tokens, without exception, has to pay for the additional tokens. Everyone else! well, only the pre ico investors are left, but fuck´em they only gave us 500.000$ and they are just a bunch of anonymous people in the internet, small fish, who cares? no exceptions here, if they want more tokens they pay for them, that is how business are conducted. We are serious people!


Yes i´m using comedy as a tool to simplify and send a message. I´m not using it looking to offend. Now all cards are face up in the table for people to know. No scam? call it like you want.

I´m done here, there´s nothing else to say. You said it all already. Now everybody has full information to made its own judgment. Also I´m tired of this, i know my money is lost but it´s ok, there are other projects.

I will write or read no more in this thread. You are exposed in full and will not scam (call it like you want) anyone else that looks for information. The job is done. Also my planet needs me.

And Mikhail i have nothing personal against you. Believe me i don´t. Maybe you are inside this mess trying to fix other´s people wrong decisions. Maybe you are mixing the complains and the attacks because someone gave you false information. I don´t know. It´s true that you were always polite and respectful. Maybe you didn´t say what we wanted but you didn´t lie in the group or shit in anybody, and other people in the team did. I wish you good luck.

Bye.

Bye.

immlapreicoscam, dear! Why you say your money is lost? That's not true! If you prefer to participate in buyback programm you will get your investments back with 43% interest. immla preico isn't scam, and immla isn't scam - If rising money means loosing money I dont understand that world )))

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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 15/09/2017, 22:47:20 UTC
I am sure that if I had known before how you treat investors, I would not have participated in this ICO. The explanations that are giving most affected are reasonable, ¿how can you change the rules of the game in the middle of the game? this is not ethical.
It seems good to me if you want to expand your project if you have growth forecasts, but it is not good to reduce our value, you have no logic what excuses you are giving.

Capitolmil,

our assumptions about the project possibillities during presail were lower then in September. We came to presale with a very strong consortoum members, advising board and with the core programm inside. I mean Logismart. That were not the results of preICO, that were the results of hardworking team. We invited the preICO investors to be on the board of big ship with the great potential. And we promissed them 43% interest for being the earlest birds among crypto community. That interest will be realised anyway if ICO gets the volume announced in WP v1. For those who wants to realize it. The rest level of ICO is like the additional emmission. That will give IMMLA the ticket to Asia in 2019. I prefer IMMLA going that way, but you - if you think the token price goes down therefore - could sell your tokens, or - if you believe in IMMLA - can buy more tokens of that emmission. That is the standard market behavior.

Or - if you or other ones don't like such aproach or think it is not fair - can think about the idea to keep the tokens share volume the mirror way in every stage of emmission, either highest level or the lowest one, as I've suggested above. We can discuss such approach and I will suggest it to our Board. According to such approach, the pre-ICO investor will be get more new tokens if ICO going the best way, or they should give tokens to IMMLA back for free if ICO going the worse way.

I'm not quite sure the Board will accept such idea, but I can talk to them about that.
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Re: [ANN] [IML] [ICO] IMMLA - First International MultiModal Logistic Application
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Mikhail_A_iml
on 15/09/2017, 22:19:23 UTC
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Hi, Immlapreicoscam, nice nickname )

I don't know directly, who you are, but I do believe you have invested in us withi the pre-ICO campaign. Unfortunately you are wrong in several things. Maybe you're not, but there were the people who used the situation and rised the hype for scamming new investors. When hype was started they launched the false marketing campaign with the links for imrna.io (false site with the old immla interface and false number of wallet). And we got the ddos-attack the same very time.

Yeah i was pretty pissed of when i created this account to talk in public after you banedme for no reason.
  
I have no idea about that campaign and of course it can be 100% true. i do know for a fact that a phising website was on. I´m sorry about that.

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Our security team made the decision to ban the most hyping ones just becouse of the mistrust in scamming group involving.
But this is NOT true for sure. You banned people in telegram and it was nothing related to that scam you are talking about. And you were there. I think you are taking some truth and mixing everything and you know exactly that you are doing it.

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We should to protect the most of the investors who hadn't involves in that destructive situation. There were around 9-11 persons who were disagreed, but only 4 of them were the true investors, who announced theirs wallets.
That argument doesnt make any sense. You dont know how many investors were there. I can tell you this: Everybody you banned was an investor. Everyone complaining was. Don´t believe me i don´t care.

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I'm in direct contact with them now, but yesterday it was very difficult to communicate since the scammers and hackers had attaced. I believe we keep in touch with these four and other true disappointed investors.
You are not in direct contact with anyone banned yesterday and with no one i´m in contact with right now. And we are now a lot of people. You maybe are in contact with someone, i suppose, but saying that it´s like you saying "everything is under control, we are in contact with every complaining investor" so it seems you care but that´s a huge lie.

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So, about the misunderstanding. As I said above to Obi - the public market invest practice is the following - in case of situation you want to keep your share in the project if the additional emmission comes, you should buy the wanting asset. But if you are not agree with such approach, IMMLA suggested for you buyback programm. If the conditions of announced buyback programm comes, but we're the scammers - why we would pay? But we're not the scammers, and we'll pay. Just because IMMLA is responsible project. Keep your profit and lets see in future. IMMLA has strong developing trategy and we're sure for our profitability for our investors.
Yes, the "misunderstanding" is the only thing that matters here.  And the real misunderstanding is that you are mixing different things here. When an additional emission comes, founders and team doesn´t double their shares out of thin air. And you did, so this is not the same situation.

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Respectfully yours,

I truly appreciate you are being here showing your face and answering questions with good tone. But something doesn´t feel right. You could have done this yesterday in telegram and you didn´t. You are doing it now when the ico has launched and you are at 0,1%. I would love to be wrong, but i think you are here now giving this answers because you are afraid the ico will fail hard, and you think it can fail hard because what you have done with pre ico investors.


Mikhail
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I said above that I was/am in direct contact with 4 of yesterdays disagreed investors. I'm one of the founders of IMMLA, but I can sware I was not the person who made the order fo banning. That was the security demand which is not obey to me. I'm not even the moderator of any our sources.
I'm sure in IMMLA and I'm sure in its invetment potential. ICO is the preffered way for IMMLA because of blockchain constituent, but not the only one. We have the offers from private equity foundations and from the strategic investors from transportation market.
There are several ICO stages. You - I mean those who decided that you were scammed with new WP - you saw only maximum size in your mind. But what if it the lowest one? You give us part of your tokens back for keeping the shares ratio? No. But if we following that wrong logic you should to do that! But lets try to make such the agreement: if ICO is 60000 eths or lower - you give us some tokens back for free to get the volume share balance. Since you think the share of volume is the most important, not the tokens price - lets it'll be reflected on every stage of ICO, not on the highest level, but even on the lowest one, like softcap is.

And I'm here just for the communication. I'm not worry about ICO. That is most risky way getting the investments and IMMLA is ready for any situation development. I'm here just to describe our position ones more and ones more. I love the project and I love our tokenholders. That's why I'm here. That is why.