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Re: ASIC shipping dates
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MisterMelancholy
on 29/04/2013, 01:08:11 UTC
I think KNC miner looks legitimate according to their thread. Of source we can't know for sure until they ship.

Please don't give your money to BFL...let this ponzi + bait and switch scam die already.

Avalon and ASICMiner actually deliver what's ordered.

Avalon has definitely delivered, but is sold out as far as I can tell.

I can't find much on ASICMiner. They don't seem to have a website? This makes me very nervous about purchasing any of their products.

BFL has allegedly delivered, and their "pre-order terms" on their product pages say this is around the time for them to ship. I'm thinking they're just slow at updating their website (Mostly because the copyright in the bottom is still 2012). I've long thought BFL to be a scam, but if they really have shipped, they look like the only place I can buy ASICs from.

Am I bad at buying ASICs, or is this accurate?
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Re: Which one of these mobos is best to run 5 7970s?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 28/04/2013, 21:56:09 UTC
I'm using this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157262 It looks like I could fit a 3rd GPU on it if the power cables were shorter.
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Re: ASIC shipping dates
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MisterMelancholy
on 26/04/2013, 01:44:06 UTC
Finally we can make some damn salsa

...And sell it for BitCoins?

No but really. This is exciting. I'm getting a pretty good amount of money soon, and I just might invest in ASIC.

It seems like they'll deliver soon enough, and they don't seem so much like a scam anymore.

Are BFL and Avalon the only committed companies so far?
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Re: ASIC shipping dates
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MisterMelancholy
on 25/04/2013, 16:37:56 UTC
Mid-late April. Update?

It looks like the Avalon has shipped, but according to their site, none can be purchased right now . Not to mention the price is at 75BTC, which is 11,250 USD @ 150USD/BTC.

That's pretty expensive unless you started mining much earlier. If you wanted to do it now you'd need a 5Ghs setup to run for 9 months...
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 23/04/2013, 03:13:31 UTC
As CK says of cgminer, the 7970 requires the memory clock to be no more than -150 than the engine clock.  Per the cgminer readme:

--gpu-memdiff -125
This setting will modify the memory speed whenever the GPU clock speed is
modified by --auto-gpu. In this example, it will set the memory speed to
be 125 Mhz lower than the GPU speed. This is useful for some cards like the
6970 which normally don't allow a bigger clock speed difference. The 6970 is
known to only allow -125, while the 7970 only allows -150.

My 6970 runs with a memclock of 110 just fine; I underclock with "aticonfig --odsc=970,110". Trust me, I tried running my 7970s at 300, 500, etc.

I don't have any experience with the Nano Diamond. I've used AS Céramique, which is nice for GPUs cuz it's non-conductive, and pretty decent.

The stuff I've been looking at is non-conductive, so I think it'll be fine.

Also, as another status update, I'm pretty sure that the hot GPU was defective because it shorted. Sparks were flying and everything. I'm honestly surprised (and fortunate) that nothing caught on fire. I've told Gigabytes and will hopefully get a refund.
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 22/04/2013, 14:52:28 UTC
Make sure that the fans on your case aren't being controlled by your motherboard. I have them plugged right into a molex adapter, so they're running at 100% off the 12V line.

Idk why your temps are so high. As I said, I'm OC'd to 1200MHz and I'm only using an Antec 300 case, and my temps right now are 69C. Try taking the heatsink off and repasting it? I always do that to any GPU I get.

I have all but 4 of my fans plugged into molex, and I think there were 3 settings in the BIOS for fan speeds, which I set to "Full On", so at-worst there's 1 fan not running at max speed out of about 16. I'll buy some thermal paste after work and try reseating the GPU heatsinks when it comes in. I've heard that nano diamond is the way to go. Any experience on this?
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 22/04/2013, 06:11:52 UTC
Ya mine actually ran cooler when I took the side of my Antec 300 off. I didn't like the dust, so I put it back on, and had the fan by the GPU blowing out, not in.

Flipping the fans on the side did the trick. It's still running kind of hot for my taste (above 80C), but I'm not concerned about it anymore. Although this works, I still wouldn't recommend this card. I'll do a mountain of research once I have the time and see about getting a 3rd 7970, preferably without a locked voltage, I'll see how it compares and add to this thread.
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 21/04/2013, 17:16:16 UTC
Ya 1180 isn't bad at all! What program are you using to underclock the memory? CGMiner won't work with the 1180/110 setting, but will think it does. Try using a 3rd party program like GPU-z and watch the sensors tab to see the actual mem speed, not the reported mem speed. Yes, they can be different. You also won't notice a huge difference with the 1100 setting. Try using MSI AB to set it to something around 375-410.

I'm under-clocking with the the aticonfig command that came with the FGLRX driver. I use Linux, so my options are very limited *grumble grumble*

Ya mine actually ran cooler when I took the side of my Antec 300 off. I didn't like the dust, so I put it back on, and had the fan by the GPU blowing out, not in.

Interesting. I'll have to try this. Playing with my fan layout has seemed to yield the best results, so this will hopefully get it below 90C,

I would NOT recommend messing with the BIOS. I tried to flash a voltage unlocked BIOS, and now my card won't be recognized by any of the AMD drivers, and I can't mine. I had to shut down the computer, flip the Dual-BIOS switch, and it's been running on the backup read-only BIOS for ~6 months now, no issues. Even with this backup BIOS, it's still voltage-unlocked, but it just takes a LOT of mucking around in MSI AB to get it working.

I'm on Win8x64, 13.1 (and included SDK), CGMiner 2.11.0, E:1200  M:1050  F:90%  and ~72C for a constant 722MH/s per card. I've had great luck with this card! It is eventually possible to undervolt, but you gotta mess with it. At this point, it's more profitable to max your overclock, and not worry about undervolting, so that part kinda doesn't matter as much. The Triforce cooler keeps the Core Engine temp pretty low, but leaves a bit to be desired with the VRM cooling, especially with the higher-than-normal stock voltage, and the itty bitty heatsink on them. I run the fan at higher speeds for the VRM cooling, regardless of the Core temps.

I was going to flash it with the non-Ghz edition BIOS. It's still voltage locked, but the voltage is lower, and the person who tried this said they were able to run at their original clocks (probably because the memory clock was so low) with lower temps.

All in all I love these cards, so idk why you would hate them so.

I'm sure the source of my troubles is the locked voltage. I think a lot of my hate was the initial shock of all of the problems related to this, but now that I realize the cause I only have one major problem with this card. I don't get why the voltage needs to be locked in the first place; It's horrible for temps and power consumption, which are both very important factors in Bitcoin mining and gaming (though gamers probably don't care as much).
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 21/04/2013, 15:46:41 UTC
Got a pair of 7970s running at core 1075 (stock 1000 Mhz) and memory 1200 (stock 1425), stock volts. Card is voltage-locked unfortunately. But I cannot get memory ro run at less than 1200. Any lower, and system crashes.

Any idea why? Others seem stable at much lower memory underclocks!

Do you have your driver updated to the most recent one? Do you use Windows? I've heard that for Linux with certain versions of FGLRX, dropping below the recommended clocks does weird things. Definitely try re-installing the driver,
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Re: 3 x 7970s - CGminer tweak advice
by
MisterMelancholy
on 21/04/2013, 02:49:22 UTC
I don't think this is optimized, but I'm getting about an average of 715Mh/s on for my 2 7970s @ 1180/110 with this config:

Code:
"intensity" : "8,8",
"vectors" : "1,1",
"worksize" : "64,64",
"kernel" : "poclbm,poclbm",
"api-port" : "4028",
"expiry" : "120",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "8",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "2",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"no-submit-stale" : true,
"queue" : "2",
"scan-time" : "20",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 21/04/2013, 02:44:47 UTC
you do realize that for bitcoin mining, you're supposed to downclock memory A LOT, right? not sure how it is with 7000 series but I can downclock my 5850 from 1000 to 300 with hash rate increase!

Yes, I've under-clocked my memory from 1500Mhz to 110Mhz. The problem is that this doesn't allow me to further OC my core clock, nor does it decrease power usage or temperatures.

EDIT: Update on my temps. After letting it run for a few hours, my temps are about 92C/78C Not sure what I can do to reduce these. I might have to resort to water cooling.
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 20/04/2013, 19:52:53 UTC
Well if you don't care about price, then buy this:
http://www.asus.com/ROG/ARES26GD5/

Dual 7970 GPU with hybrid air/liquid cooling. You can directly funnel the heat out of the case. Wicked expensive. But hey, you said "regardless of price" right? Grin

Heheheh... If I ever have that kind of money laying around... Looks like it'd OC a little more than a 7990. Assuming I could fit 3 on my board...

And since you're persnickity:

Acclaimed DIGI+ VRM joins superior quality 20-phase Super Alloy Power for precise digital control, enhanced performance, reliability, and card longevity

GPU Tweak: modify clock speeds, voltages, fan performance and more, all via an intuitive interface

Flashing my GPU BIOS is proving impossible without Windows. It'd be a shame as I've gone 2 years and 6 months without needing it. I'll look into the DIGI+ VRM and see what I can do. I have a good feeling about this.

UPDATE: after repositioning my fans and adding a few more, It seems it's stable at about 87C for top card and 78C  for middle card after about 30 minutes without outside air. This is still too high for my personal liking, but the system's not crashing, which is a start. I'll leave this running for about another 15-30 minutes while I research DIGI+ VRM and see if these current temps stay stable. If the DIGI+ VRM thing doesn't work, It'll be stuck at these temps for a while.
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 20/04/2013, 17:11:00 UTC
Depending on the manufacturer, you may be able to load different firmware on the card. My Gigabyte Windforce GHz edition 7970 came with a stock voltage of 1.25V; with their "standard" firmware (instead of "GHz"), that went down to 1.17V which has helped with temps and actually gets me better hash rate since I use auto core clock control in cgminer to maintain constant temp.

Oh, and try Florida if you think you are struggling with temps ;-)

This is a grand idea. I'll do some research and see how this is done on Linux. I'll post back later with my results.
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 20/04/2013, 01:41:30 UTC
Then the sky is the limit. Or? maybe just get a few 7990  Smiley

I should have. I didn't do enough research before I bought these, so I didn't know it was basically 2 7970s put together. Maybe I'll just save up and get a 7990 instead of another 7970. My only concern is that the only 7990 I can find also has a locked voltage (which I think is source of my pain with the 7970s).

you talk about windforcce 3?

Yes.

You need a new case.  I've got 2x of the same cards mining LTC (granted at like 1022 core 1244 mem for optimum khash) but have no issues keeping them below 80C and rock solid.

That I do not. I have the cards running in this beast: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147157
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Re: Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 19/04/2013, 16:28:59 UTC
Open your case up and maybe put the miner in the garage if you have one, or build a cover and let it mine outside.

Sadly, I'm in a small apartment right now. The lease is up in October, so when that happens I'll see about getting a place with a "server room". Letting it mine outside is also not a good idea because the weather in Alaska is crazy. Sunny to 80MPH winds and snow/rain after 20 minutes isn't surprising, even around this time of year.

You're getting 2 7970s inside a case to run at 1180 and you're complaining?

I didn't realize 1180 was so good, even with the temps. My main reason for complaining is that under-clocking the memory, even to less than 10% of the stock clock, does absolutely nothing for the power usage and temperature. It's very frustrating, and I'm sure that other 7970s don't do this, while still getting the same hash rates.

Yes 7950s are a viable choice. Here in europe I compared the price and you getting excactly the same hashrate for your buck than with the 7970s.

At a first glance, it looks like the money/hash rate ratio is about the same, but I'd prefer higher hash rates regardless of price. More hash rate per cards means less machines, which means less money goes into cases, CPUs, RAM, PSU, Motherboard, and shipping and more goes into GPUs. The idea is viable, I'm just very persnickety and like to take things to the extreme.
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Gigabyte 7970 Ghz Edition is bad - What's good?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 19/04/2013, 04:28:53 UTC
I left a review on NewEgg saying I would never recommend this card to anybody, and I'm here to take that a step further as well as ask what manufacturer has the best 7970 for BItCoins mining. My electricity is cheap, so power consumption is not an issue.

Anyway, this particular Gigabyte card is terrible:
 - Two of them in one case runs so hot that I need to let in cold, Alaskan air from outside to keep them cool. Crash at above 90C within 3 minutes at stock clocks.
 - Run stable at 1180/110 and 1180/1100, but not stable at 1190/110 or 1190/1100. All of these combinations have the same power draw and temperature, by the way.
 - I haven't tried water cooling, but based on how fast the temperature increases, I'm not convinced that'll keep them very cool.

Now the other question:
Which card has the highest hash rates? I sold off the Bitcoins I bought when the prices were low, and have just over $425 to put towards a 3rd card for my rig.
I've got an extra 550 watts on my PSU, so I don't think I have any real limitations other than temperature or money.
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Re: 2x 7970 crash
by
MisterMelancholy
on 19/04/2013, 04:15:52 UTC
I've got 2 Gigabytes 7970s, each running with 2 threads. They run super hot (so hot I have to leave a door open for them in Alaska), but are stable at 1180/110, each pulling just under 720Mh/s.

Try running the card at 1100Mhz core with the second thread active and work your way up.
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Re: Who ACTUALLY knows what they're talking about here?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 17/04/2013, 02:46:34 UTC
Generally, people with advanced degrees in economics do not bloviate on Internet forums, and even if they did, they don't have much reason to share their credentials or their identity.  Degrees or any other such qualifications are generally hard to prove, anyway, so why bother?
People with degrees are too busy making money to roam on some little BitCoin forum.

By the way, I have a PHD in Economics, Computer Sciences, Cryptography, Mathematics...
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BitCoin "Debit" Card?
by
MisterMelancholy
on 16/04/2013, 16:00:39 UTC
Pros and cons?

From what little I know about economics, these are my thoughts:

Pros:
Allows for spending of BTC in real world from anywhere

Cons:
The scarcity of people who'd accept them
Scam artists making look-alike machines that just save passwords (then again, this is possible for all Debit and Credit cards)

I don't think the hardware would be hard to create:
Create a plastic card thing with a magnetic strip that holds the BitCoin address.
Keyboard with card reader.
When user swipes card, they provide their wallet password.
The keyboard logs into said wallet, and transfers the agreed upon amount of BItcoins.
The keyboard logs out of said wallet and doesn't save the password.
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Re: Bottom was hit around 50 - people start to buy like crazy...
by
MisterMelancholy
on 16/04/2013, 15:07:22 UTC
I tried to fund my mtgox account to buy some while they are low and it is still stuck in no-where land. Its quite disappointing watching the market rise when I know i could have had a stake in it.
BitInstant is, well, instant. I've used it before, and it couldn't have been more instant.

Also, I dumped $200 into Bitcoins at $83.5. I've been buying low and selling high as the price has been decreasing, and made over a full Bitcoin in profit. I'm ready for it to bounce, but I think it'll hang around $50 to $70 for another 5 to 7 days while the last of the sellers sell and and everyone else starts buying. This is solely a guess though; I know almost nothing about economics.