Im out for holidays. Back on tuesday

Ok, my view of the story once more, but let me start with a metaphor:

Imagine a factory making a super car. The developer/creator has an idea in mind and knows what the end result should look like. Halfway he invites some folks to "assist" for free, because a lot of work still needs to be done and the potential buyers are become more restless.

Nice!, said the assistants (who are all supercar fanatics) and they start helping on building the car. After a short while the original developer says he's out for a coffee break. Fine the assistants thought, he'll be back to tell us what to do after we finished part X and Y.

But, the dev is not coming back. Instead he stands at the other end of the garage doing other shit. When asked for help, he can't hear the assistants, or just went away for another coffee. When we have finished all the work we planned, dev is still not around, while still a lot of shit needs to be done.

The best part is: to finish building the car, some tools are needed. Turns out the hammer, paint, screwdrivers and all that shit is locked away and the only one having a key is the developer.

The question now is: do you expect the "assistants" to finish building the super car on their own? While the developer in the end gets all the profit when he sells the car? While the developer/creator isnt around to discuss things about the cars future looks?

>> My answer to that metaphoric question you guys know.

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First of all, im not trying to cause a panic or say that KDC is dead.

In my view many community members said that the communications from dev's was poor a few weeks ago. Some of the more active KDC'ers decided to step up and act as community leaders and me for marketing.

The way I envisioned it was that the dev's would still run the show (behind the scenes) and that I and the community leaders took care of communications and coming up with services and marketing idea's.

This is exactly what happened for the the first week and a half. I started working on the (renewed) website, together with dave, while i.e. Jilixi started a webshop with visa cards. Also the Twitter account @klondikecoins ive "abused" a lot, spamming all kind of ppl with KDC and raised number of followers from a mere 300 to over a 1000 followers within no time.

I was under the impression that me and the community leaders were assisting the dev's in their work, channeling down the information we got. It turned out (imho) that all landed on my shoulders with the dev's assisting "us". Well, I can cope with the pressure, so in the heat of the moment my creative mind came up with the real gold give away.

The moment I decided I had enough was for several reasons, New York NOT being one of them.

1) My access to Twitter and Klondikecoin account here on BCT was revoked > couldnt log in anymore

2) We needed Dave to update the official pool page with the real gold give away and asked him if technically it would work (count the days one is mining).
2.1) No update on official pool page with our marketing plan (to this very day)
2.2) Despite asking a few times, I received no login details for official pool to edit things myself.
2.3) We were left in the dark about the technical possibilities of this idea
2.4) Basicly we heard: ye, can run a query on the database, should work
2.5) Dev's didnt want to do anything more, it was up to us to arrange it all (no problem, but we do need poolowner to cooperate, aight?)
2.6) We didnt receive any update about how much fee the pool got (for NY trip / for gold give away), while many put in a higher donation % because of all this. Where did that KDC went to?

3) It turned out to be very hard to stay in touch with dev's. Well dev's... it was only Dave we communicated with. We heard > "ill make sure other dev's get onto IRC also". Havent seen a single one of them except for Dave.

4) I can understand ppl being busy. Im busy too > dayjob, wife, friends, social life. But I spent more hours into this then all dev's combined the last 2-3 weeks. In the end, its my opinion that the maker of this coin should invest the most time and gather a team around them for support. Now they have gathered a team that did all the work and we heard close to nothing.

5) How can I come up with marketing idea's and other stuff while I can not check it with the dev's if it's ok? Again, Im more then willing to communicate to the community or update website, but without ANY dev support, how can I? Im just a "volunteer".

6) The moment I heard that half the original dev team decided to quit and with the knowledge that all was on my shoulders, I didn't feel like working my ass of for nothing. I dont care it is a non-paid "job". I dont care I didnt receive anything in return. I did this because I was a big bag holder and would benefit from KDC going up. That was my drive and motivation. But with most dev's abandoned ship I really wondered why I was putting so much effort into this, while even the dev's turned their back on this.

7) Back to the start: "The way I envisioned it was that the dev's would still run the show (behind the scenes) and that I and the community leaders took care of communications and coming up with services and marketing idea's."  >> turned out to the fact I was running the show together with SparkIt and Jilixi and that it was VERY, VERY hard to have a decent conversation with any dev, because of the fact they just werent around. Didn't realize that running the show behind the scenes meant that I was here to come up with all the ideas AND work them out AND do all the communications AND couldn't fall back or rely on the dev's.


Edit: to be perfectly clear: i did not call out for a takeover. I just said with my previous post that I am reconsidering my involvement. Im still up to do the marketing for KDC, as long as the entire project is not on my own shoulders AND have some clear (daily) communications with a dev or someone in charge. I don't want to be in charge or be the KDC leader. Im best working on the background, pushing updates, getting followers on twitter, update twitter, come up with amazing and unique ideas like the real gold give away, but I do need support.

Edit 2: Donations for NY: we raised ~11k kdc which is worth just over 0.12 btc right now (including with donations from ourself we were at ~1.6 btc and with phi111 and makii we would have gotten over 4 btc worth). Some asked for their kdc back and got it back ofc. The rest has been divided between me, sparkit and jilixi for all the work we put into of KDC > costs for building kdcgoods, buying services etc. ~0.12 btc divided by 3 is nothing compared to the energy and time and own expenses that got involved (about ~0.04 btc each). In that light, the donations that havent been claimed back, went straight towards promoting of KDC and getting services up.

Nice reply dave. At work now. Will look into your post tonight ans give reaction then!

Very cheap idd. I sold my kdc at 3500. Might buy some back at 1000-1500.

I dont understand why ppl sell at 2100 at cryptsy, while there was buy order for 2500 at bter (0.2 btc, and its gone now )

tbh, i did sold some KDC last night/today. I can imagine price dropping to low 2000's

Thank you for all your kind words, although the original development team is 75% gone. In the last weeks, community members like myself stepped in to save KDC from dying.

Update about NY trip: we barely raised 0.4 btc, from the original 15 btc we were looking for. After some time we have adjusted to target to 7 btc (since no dev could go along etc). Today is/was the last day for donating. Unfortunately we did not reach the target (far, far from it). This means KDC will not be represented in New York by me, Jilixi and/or SparkIt. We would like to thank all ppl who had faith in us succeeding and donated towards this goal.

Latest developments are: Jilixi is out as community leader. SparkIt and myself are considering if we want to continue to put so much effort in KDC as we did last few weeks. When the official kdc pool-page does not even get updated with the real gold give promotion, or access is granted to edit things myself, its a dead end imho.

I do need more people to make this a success. But when I heard (via via) yesterday that all original kdc dev's, besides Dave and Jes, quitted the project and werent able to donate even 0.1 btc towards NY convention, I don't feel like working my ass off any longer to only hit a dead end. Also the communications between us (me, jil, spark) and the dev's were too little. Dev's didnt have much time and it was thus very hard for us to keep in touch with them. This means I'll be stepping back a bit and create space for others to step up/in.

Ppl can contact KDC_Dave to ask for access to website, kdc forum and twitter account to start working on it.

To be sure and completely clear: im not saying KDC is dead or dying right now. All I say is that I don't feel like getting enough support from dev's to continue working (for free) and spending most of my spare time trying to keep KDC's head above the water.

E-mail the exchange support

We need like 4.5 btc still

Latest update on donations:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuWudbaJrQcFdEZGbzRPbi1pdEtpUUxmbk1qdE55bVE&usp=sharing

Last day for donating: march 28th.

Strange idd.. dont think asics are working on KDC atm

Not sure if he will dump, but the rest I can agree on (jumping coins every other day and changing signature etc). He loves every coin, as long as it's going up, up up. When coin is not going how he want it to see, he goes to another coin.

Can I blame him for doing that? No > he is just looking to maximinze his profit. Nothing wrong with that. BUT, i rather go with a coin which has a steady developer that not jump coins every day.

Therefor Im not steppin into this one, since I think this coin will die as soon as Placebo has sold his interest in this coin and nothing will be done after that.

I have asked Placebo to join in as community leader for KDC. At the time I was aware he has involvement in other coins too. This doenst take away the fact that Placebo is very actively involved with KDC and a big promotor.

He is not joining us to New York and to be honest: he is active in here, but not with the decisionmaking processes. With the new coin he is in charge of, we don't see any room for him to stay a KDC community leader.

For me: Im not leaving KDC and havent sold a single KDC since i started mining . I recon its the same for SparkIt and Jilixi. Im not planning of jumping out soon. KDC is a long term investment for me, since I believe KDC will still be here when the cryptowar-dust settles.

Lets get it to 200mhash before march 30!

Deadline for donations is march 28. We even consider going with just 2 and sleep on the streets, so we save more money. Just to get KDC in the New York spotlights.
You donation can make us sleep a 16 bed dorm somewhere in the getto. All is good and any donation is more then welcome.

If you were planning to contribute to the "KDC goes New York", please do so before the 28th of march.

Thank you very much!

Edit: just received another 500 KDC which is very welcomed. Donation list is updated with all donations up till now:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuWudbaJrQcFdEZGbzRPbi1pdEtpUUxmbk1qdE55bVE&usp=sharing

We did a recalc for minimum needed. With current flightticket price, entreefees, marketing mats and roof over our head, we still need ~3.4 btc. The poolfee from pool.klonchain.info and profits from kdcgoods.com are not yet in the calc. We will do this on tuesday. We expect around 0.2-0.5 btc from those sources.

Great! Will update donation spreadsheet on sunday. Im not home till sunday.

@kevin


If you say how much you want to donate, ill update the list. Only when we make target, you can donate then.

Also, you can donate upfront without losing KDC if we dont make target. If we dont make target, PM me with Tx code, amount and your wallet. You will get refunded your donation on your request.

Funds already raised wont be used for personal goals when we dont make target. Thats why we are transparant in the donations. All donations will only be used to promote KDC.

Also: we waiting for Developer Dave to update us with the amount we got from the donations from official KDC pool.

Thats very kind of you!

But lets not go to the level where we spit out who makes what kind of money every month (and thus what one should be investing).

I don't feel the urge to explain and/or defend the amount of money and time i'm investing in this venture. I chip in what I can spare and you have to do it with that. If you don't want me to go to represent KDC; don't donate

If I were to go to New York for my own pleasure, ofc I will be paying for my own trip. That logical. But im going for you guys! When it comes to New York donations, the biggest single donation is 2171 KDC. This means I chip in more then any other donator untill this point. See: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuWudbaJrQcFdEZGbzRPbi1pdEtpUUxmbk1qdE55bVE&usp=sharing

Im out on a (personal/pleasure) citytrip to London from april 3 to the 7th. As you have seen, I did not do a fundraiser for that trip

For me personal:

Yes, i invest 2500kdc = 0.13019500 BTC x 600 Dollars = 78.12 USD. This is more then 15% of my total amount of KDC.

AND i need to take days off from work for 4 days > which is about 100 euro a day. That makes my total investment 450 euro.
Keep in mind im not a dev, just a guy who wants KDC to succeed. Thats why I dont want any money for my speech i will be giving in NY.

By the way; how much have you donated? How much time have you invested?

If people don't agree on the amount I put in, im also happy not to go and not to speak for KDC. Saves me lots of money and time   > but im more then happy to invest time and money for you guys (and for me, when KDC price rises, i make more money). Futher I wont disclose my personal finances. The amount I chip in is the best I can spare for this purpose.


Yes, imo promotion is optional. Most important is to be represented and to speak about KDC in front of a large audience.

Jil and Spark chip in 0.35 BTC and 10.000 KDC
I invest 2500 KDC and 4 days off work (which cost me ~100 euro's a day = € 400,-)

The 3 of us invest BTC 1 in total (without the 400 euro for my days off work).

Don't stare blindly to what we put in in money. We have and are investing huge amounts of time to make this work for you guys.
I am unable to put in more BTC at this time. Not sure how Spark and Jilixi look at this.

I have ask the developers to support us with BTC too, since it's "their coin".

Please do not see this as a holiday trip, it isnt.

Very nice and innovative !