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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 06/11/2014, 20:33:47 UTC
Another journalist brave enough to raise questions about the Crypto Illuminati.

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/is-the-librexcoin-developer-part-of-bobsurplus-altcoin-pump-and-dump-group-altcoin-pros


Wonder how long it will be till the smear campaign against this one begins.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 02/11/2014, 23:36:18 UTC
I just don't get all these scam claims of the XC crew!  Seems absolutely ridiculous to throw such claims at XC!!


Yes I've turned a blind eye to the evidence too because the XC team are without doubt incorruptible and beyond reproach.

Thread closed guys. Roll Eyes
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Re: blocknet/XC, Dan metcalf hard evidence thread
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NoMoreLies
on 02/11/2014, 18:48:59 UTC
One already exists

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841223.0

The OP at least
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Re: [Poll] Should BlockNET Tokens be refunded?
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NoMoreLies
on 02/11/2014, 00:52:21 UTC
"In fact I consider Prometheus an ethical promoter based on my dealings with him and anybody who knows Prometheus knows that he is 100% open and public about his coin promotions."             - Dan Metcalf



[9/22/2014 8:46:39 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: eww aero
[9/22/2014 8:46:54 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: I pumped that for kleeve to 10k
[9/22/2014 8:46:57 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and then took a shit on it
[9/22/2014 8:47:13 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea from day 1
[9/22/2014 8:47:20 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: ... i ran a 10k pump on it a few weeks bag
[9/22/2014 8:47:21 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and exited

[9/25/2014 1:22:55 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Hey man, I’m not able to communicate with you any longer due to failed trust.
[9/25/2014 1:42:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: You told people that i pumped aero to get kleeve out
[9/25/2014 1:42:34 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: as well as told people that we worked with metcalf on hal
[9/25/2014 1:44:10 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea man, can’t have those kinds of leaks.
[9/25/2014 1:44:16 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Not good for us at all

[9/28/2014 9:36:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Utility is mine
[9/28/2014 9:36:28 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: but that is privy info
[9/28/2014 9:36:35 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: if you do tell people about it, don’t tell them it’s mine


Can't quite believe what I just read. Any lingering doubts I had have been removed. Guess we know now who's pulling the strings, no wonder they tried to claim the logs were false.


REFUNDS AVAILABLE FOR 48 HOURS AT BITTREX


https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203325664-BlockNet-ITO-What-happened-and-next-steps-


Well done Bittrex for doing the right thing.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 02/11/2014, 00:22:37 UTC
"In fact I consider Prometheus an ethical promoter based on my dealings with him and anybody who knows Prometheus knows that he is 100% open and public about his coin promotions."             - Dan Metcalf



[9/22/2014 8:46:39 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: eww aero
[9/22/2014 8:46:54 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: I pumped that for kleeve to 10k
[9/22/2014 8:46:57 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and then took a shit on it
[9/22/2014 8:47:13 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea from day 1
[9/22/2014 8:47:20 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: ... i ran a 10k pump on it a few weeks bag
[9/22/2014 8:47:21 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and exited

[9/25/2014 1:22:55 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Hey man, I’m not able to communicate with you any longer due to failed trust.
[9/25/2014 1:42:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: You told people that i pumped aero to get kleeve out
[9/25/2014 1:42:34 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: as well as told people that we worked with metcalf on hal
[9/25/2014 1:44:10 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea man, can’t have those kinds of leaks.
[9/25/2014 1:44:16 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Not good for us at all

[9/28/2014 9:36:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Utility is mine
[9/28/2014 9:36:28 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: but that is privy info
[9/28/2014 9:36:35 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: if you do tell people about it, don’t tell them it’s mine


Can't quite believe what I just read. Any lingering doubts I had have been removed. Guess we know now who's pulling the strings, no wonder they tried to claim the logs were false.


REFUNDS AVAILABLE FOR 48 HOURS AT BITTREX


https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203325664-BlockNet-ITO-What-happened-and-next-steps-

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Re: [Poll] Is Dan Metcalf (XCurrency Developer) Finished
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 22:40:08 UTC
I'm not invested in XC or BlockNet (or SuperNet) but watching it all. 
This statement should be recognized:
http://www.atcsecure.com/blog/Official_Statement.pdf


Indeed it should.

"In fact I consider Prometheus an ethical promoter based on my dealings with him and anybody who knows Prometheus knows that he is 100% open and public about his coin promotions."             - Dan Metcalf



[9/22/2014 8:46:39 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: eww aero
[9/22/2014 8:46:54 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: I pumped that for kleeve to 10k
[9/22/2014 8:46:57 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and then took a shit on it
[9/22/2014 8:47:13 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea from day 1
[9/22/2014 8:47:20 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: ... i ran a 10k pump on it a few weeks bag
[9/22/2014 8:47:21 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and exited

[9/25/2014 1:22:55 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Hey man, I’m not able to communicate with you any longer due to failed trust.
[9/25/2014 1:42:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: You told people that i pumped aero to get kleeve out
[9/25/2014 1:42:34 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: as well as told people that we worked with metcalf on hal
[9/25/2014 1:44:10 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea man, can’t have those kinds of leaks.
[9/25/2014 1:44:16 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Not good for us at all

[9/28/2014 9:36:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Utility is mine
[9/28/2014 9:36:28 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: but that is privy info
[9/28/2014 9:36:35 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: if you do tell people about it, don’t tell them it’s mine
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 22:33:16 UTC
"In fact I consider Prometheus an ethical promoter based on my dealings with him and anybody who knows Prometheus knows that he is 100% open and public about his coin promotions."             - Dan Metcalf



[9/22/2014 8:46:39 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: eww aero
[9/22/2014 8:46:54 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: I pumped that for kleeve to 10k
[9/22/2014 8:46:57 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and then took a shit on it
[9/22/2014 8:47:13 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea from day 1
[9/22/2014 8:47:20 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: ... i ran a 10k pump on it a few weeks bag
[9/22/2014 8:47:21 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: and exited

[9/25/2014 1:22:55 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Hey man, I’m not able to communicate with you any longer due to failed trust.
[9/25/2014 1:42:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: You told people that i pumped aero to get kleeve out
[9/25/2014 1:42:34 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: as well as told people that we worked with metcalf on hal
[9/25/2014 1:44:10 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Yea man, can’t have those kinds of leaks.
[9/25/2014 1:44:16 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Not good for us at all

[9/28/2014 9:36:25 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: Utility is mine
[9/28/2014 9:36:28 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: but that is privy info
[9/28/2014 9:36:35 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: if you do tell people about it, don’t tell them it’s mine


Can't quite believe what I just read. Any lingering doubts I had have been removed. Guess we know now who's pulling the strings, no wonder they tried to claim the logs were false.
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Re: Moderation of (possible) FUD and insults
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 21:25:21 UTC
How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

7 you say?


its a fucking joke.

edit: and that is a quote from spoetnik yesterday, sure there is more since then.

One of those threads was mine, but I agree this amount of threads is completely unnecessary.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 18:50:17 UTC

You don't get the point.
It's not about faking the screens, it's about Prometheus speaking bed-time stories.

Dan



Yes, it IS about faking screens!


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A group of Bitcointalk users have modified (or perhaps completely invented) some IRC chat logs and screenshots in order to spread FUD about the Blocknet and XC.


Can't even get the statements of your own gurus straight? Poor Moron!


And they made 3 separate statements to that effect: here, here, and here.
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Re: So you want Proof you said ? Well see here fellow XC investor.
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 18:18:38 UTC
Two pages and no one's addressed the point of the OP, which was that on the day loljosh started offering X11 clonecoins he received a payment from atcsecure.

It doesn't concern anyone that the master of the code review may not have even put together his own coin?
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 18:00:54 UTC
Apparently i faked 3 months of conversation with myself.

https://twitter.com/The_Blocknet/status/528348949980397568

Yet earlier in this thread prom already admitted the conversations were true. Even earlier than that before the SS were posted. Synechist (sp?) Was claiming the conversations were modified IRC logs.

You don't get the point.
It's not about faking the screens, it's about Prometheus speaking bed-time stories.

Dan

No I very well do get the point, But the Blocknet official twitter account is claiming they are faked, others like you claim prom is just speaking BS.

The conversations are true, It'd be easy enough for "The blocknet" to just claim as you do that proms claims are BS rather than insist i faked skype conversations.


This is precisely one of the most suspicious parts of this, the fact that they chose to attack the authenticity of the message rather than the truth of Prometheus's claims.


This was before you released your screenshots so I expect they had no idea that this would backfire on them. It's almost as if this was agreed upon beforehand. It's clear from your logs that Prometheus was afraid you were going to leak the information. It almost looks like the lot of them had already prepared this defence after Prom started threatening you about leaking it. Unfortunately for them I don't think they realised quite how much corroborating evidenence you and others had amassed.


Why don't you ask Prometheus to prove that he is part of this? I bet he can't prove shit.
Any access to any github out there?

I don't think so...


Nice try. How about addressing my point?


This is precisely one of the most suspicious parts of this, the fact that they chose to attack the authenticity of the logs rather than the truth of Prometheus's claims.



They do so here, here, and here.

What possible reason could they have for choosing this line of defence? Give it some thought (if your cognitive biases will allow it). I understand it is hard to stay rational and unemotional about something you have put money into, but this, along with the contents of the logs, is very very suspicious.

The obvious reason would be because they've been colluding with Prometheus.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 01/11/2014, 17:54:23 UTC
Apparently i faked 3 months of conversation with myself.

https://twitter.com/The_Blocknet/status/528348949980397568

Yet earlier in this thread prom already admitted the conversations were true. Even earlier than that before the SS were posted. Synechist (sp?) Was claiming the conversations were modified IRC logs.

You don't get the point.
It's not about faking the screens, it's about Prometheus speaking bed-time stories.

Dan

No I very well do get the point, But the Blocknet official twitter account is claiming they are faked, others like you claim prom is just speaking BS.

The conversations are true, It'd be easy enough for "The blocknet" to just claim as you do that proms claims are BS rather than insist i faked skype conversations.


This is precisely one of the most suspicious parts of this, the fact that they chose to attack the authenticity of the logs rather than the truth of Prometheus's claims.


This was before you released your screenshots so I expect they had no idea that this would backfire on them. It's clear from your logs that Prometheus was afraid you were going to leak the information. It almost looks like the lot of them had already prepared this defence after Prom started threatening you about leaking it. Unfortunately for them I don't think they realised quite how much corroborating evidenence you and others had amassed.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 22:38:56 UTC
Synechist again attacking the authenticity of the screenshots (reddit link) rather than the accuracy of Prometheus's cliams.

The obvious objection if they had no part in it would be to claim that Prometheus was simply lying.

I find him choosing this line of defence highly suspicious.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 21:59:07 UTC

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence, plus you have to look at the way people reacted and answered certain things.

Though i do know there wasn't any prom/dan connection till August.

They met through Aero coin.

Either way you could have cold hard facts and in controvertible proof and still people will follow others blindly. Its just the nature of humans.

There is a ton of investment now in BLOCK and people trapped having bought the IPO. So of course they can't abandon it. They have to try and preserve some value.

Lol and now i Have negative trust for posting the logs to set the record straight. Just goes to show you eh.


Thank you for your posts. It's unfortunate about your trust rating, I don't think this is the right way to treat someone who has come forward with evidence that helps people make more informed decisions about their investments.

I have sent a personal message to the member in question, CanaryInTheMine, asking that he reconsider. I urge others to do the same. Thank you again.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 17:17:54 UTC
The guy attends shows and puts on a legit farce and has a business.  Wonder if any of this will bleed over to his rl.

I find it useful to keep reminding myself that the map is not the territory and the bitcointalk/github account is not the person.

Co-incidentally, I encountered some interesting relevant info, thought I'd write it up and share it with the discussants here ...

BlockNet is a straightforwardly-rebranded git clone of BitSwift. By “straightforwardly-rebranded”, I mean that, apart from some minimal changes to parameters, the rest of the changes are to the strings carrying the coin's name. This string replacement is often crude, fuzzily focused and inadequately constrained.

Fuzzy focus in BlockNet revealing BitSwift origin https://github.com/atcsecure/blocknet/blob/master/COPYING#L1
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Copyright (c) 2014 BitSwift Developers
Copyright (c) 2013-2014 NovaCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2011-2012 PPCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2009-2014 Bitcoin Developers

The current construction of BlockNet's heritage trail as AGS, DRM, HACK is incomplete and should read BITSWIFT, AGS, DRM, HACK

As a cloneparent, BitSwift itself is a straightforwardly-rebranded git clone of AegisCoin, as revealed by the dog's breakfast that the AegisCoin dev has made of the original carsenk clone with s/DRM/AGS/g and which, like a treasured family heirloom, has been faithfully preserved all the way down to the BlockNet code:

Example of inadequate constraint inherited from inept ancestor dev https://github.com/atcsecure/blocknet/blob/master/src/addrman.cpp#L9
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int CAddrInfo::GetTriedBucket(const std::vector &nKey) const
{
    CDataStream ss1(SER_GETHASH, 0);
    std::vector vchKey = GetKey();
    ss1 << nKey << vchKey;
    uint64_t hash1 = Hash(ss1.begin(), ss1.end()).Get64();

    CDataStream ss2(SER_GETHASH, 0);
    std::vector vchGroupKey = GetGroup();
    ss2 << nKey << vchGroupKey << (hash1 % ADAGSAN_TRIED_BUCKETS_PER_GROUP);
    uint64_t hash2 = Hash(ss2.begin(), ss2.end()).Get64();
    return hash2 % ADAGSAN_TRIED_BUCKET_COUNT;
}

AegisCoin itself is a clone of DreamCoin, a Carsen Keck device. The original carsenk github repo is long gone but I made a fork at the time and the code testifies that the Korean hackcoin dev (who, to give him his due, had successfully created a “best-of” coin which is still prized today) was justified in accusing Carsen Keck of crass ineptitude:

https://github.com/gjhiggins/dreamcoin/blob/master/COPYING
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Copyright (c) 2014 hackcoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2013-2014 NovaCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2011-2012 PPCoin Developers
Copyright (c) 2009-2014 Bitcoin Developers

BlockNet, presented for ICO in Nov 2014, is basically a degraded copy of 6 month-old hackcoin and the identifiable descendants that populate the family tree have all turned out to be black sheep. Using this foul heritage as a foundational codebase for an ambitious project is an inexplicably odd choice for a reputedly savvy dev.

It may be that the choice of initial commit is irrelevant - some devs adopt the tactic of simply obliterating the original commit with a later monolithic commit or even ignoring the open source code entirely and pursuing a V2.0-binary-only release policy, spuriously argued as aimed at protecting IP.


Cheers

Graham


Thank you for the information. Really interesting post.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 16:23:08 UTC
OP updated.

UPDATE:

XC's PR man synechist was quick to issue a statement regarding the leak . Unfortunately, in his haste he may have revealed more than he intended to:

"However such logs are not provably truthful, and in this case are false."

He doesn't say that the content of the conversation was inaccurate. He says the logs themselves are false. This begs the question, how could Synechist make the assertion that the logs were falsified if he was not part of the conversations? Was this was the only way for synechist to denounce the accusations without directly attacking (his co-conspirator?) Prometheus? If the logs are to be believed it would appear Prometheus has thrown a lot of jobs Mr Metcalf's way.

Synechist has revealed that he is paid for his work for XC, and with that being so it is perhaps unsurprising that he will go to any lengths and say almost anything to defend the project (after all, his livelihood depends on it.) He earns his money well.

Unfortunately for him, soon after claiming the logs to be false 00Smurf was good enough to post screenshots of the Skype conversations. The reaction from the XC camp is now to brush the matter aside as if synechist's word in itself should be enough to bring it to a close. It is an insult to the people who have bought BlockNet tokens that they should dismiss with such contempt the legitimate questions that have arisen.

XC has presented itself as the last bastion of ethicality in the cryptocurrency world. A project of high-minded ideals with the BlockNet the instantiation of some great collaborative spirit. The IRC logs paint these deals in an entirely different light. If Prometheus's claims are true they reveal the rank hypocrisy of the sanctimonious tone with which the XC and BlockNet projects have been sold to us.

The choice of coins that have been included in the BlockNet, and the questionable cast of characters behind them, suggest the project is anything but the great work of selfless crypto-unification it has been presented as. I will continue to update this if and when new evidence is presented.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 02:20:37 UTC
yea and he works for xc, fibre, nhz, librex, Util, Xcash, Apex and more! He's a collaborative dev and a freelancer. I did indeed pay Dan for some tech, as well as payed him for a code review... A code review SDC wanted as well. You try to shine this as if i'm some kind of villain. I don't deny that Dan has done some work on projects i've been a part of. I still don't see how any of this makes blocknet an elaborate scam.. It's a legitimate project and we will succeed.

I don't care about your weird fixation with SDC, but what I do find interesting about that statement is the admission that Dan was behind Halcyon. I'm sure there are a lot of people in that community who'd be interested to learn who it was that left them all in the lurch after abandoning the project.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 02:03:00 UTC
You give me far too credit assuming i'm trying to deflect anything. I'm simply pointing out that you're acting like a desperate ignorant fudder. Your "evidence" as your refer to is nothing but modified statements of mine taken significantly out of context used to make a feeble attempt at proving your point, (this is getting old) a point which if falls on perhaps the weakest of minds and becomes accepted as fact pushes your agenda which is to FUD competing coins with the hopes that they will come to SDC (you stated this in IRC)

I've given my guys notice that I will be exiting SDC if it indeed comes to light that SDC team is in any way involved in this baseless, weak and pathetic attack on the project. I will be mercilessly exiting SDC.

I used to like SDC in fact, i'm currently (not for long) a large holder of the coin after speaking with smurf in regards to technology. The team seemed driven with an appetite for success so i picked up a good many early and even gave it a good run up in value. I've given my guys noticed and i'm awaiting their responses in regards to their current SDC holdings.

I suggest you have smurf contact me.

Pr0m3

It's amazing to watch how you operate. The quotes are accurate and hardly ambiguous. In fact, you've just admitted that the words are your own. You can squirm and cry about other coins as much as you want, but the jig is up.

[9/22/2014 8:37:54 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: with Dan Metcalf on dev team

[9/22/2014 8:38:22 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: He works for my group now
[9/22/2014 8:38:26 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: He's a full time member.
[9/22/2014 8:38:33 PM] Prometheus Lightbearer: He was the anon dev for HAL.


Tell us please, how exactly are your words being misconstrued?

*Edit: Oh I see you deleted your post, unfortunately for you not quickly enough.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 01:31:42 UTC

Money making here I come!


Bobsurplus. Pillar of the crypto community. "Money making here I come!" I wonder how many other notorious pumpers we'll see here in the next few hours trying to do damage control.
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Re: [SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed
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NoMoreLies
on 31/10/2014, 01:22:23 UTC
Yea, break out your tin foil hats for this one guys... Look at those twitter DM's this guy can't even spell let alone make a point against what will be a ground breaking collaborative work utilizing many prominent devs.

These attacks orginate from the SDC community, some real class folks over there.

THE BTC FROM THE IPO HAS NOT LEFT THE EXCHANGES IT IS IN ESCROW AND IT WILL BE PLACED IN A MULTI SIG WALLET.


So you're attacking someone's spelling rather than addressing the evidence and trying to deflect attention by dragging in an unrelated project.

Not much of a defence. About what I expected though.