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Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
1.nearly all of these guys talking about the problem of DPOS and group have never been a delegate and will never be a deletgate ..you guys never know what is the biggest problem to be a delegate. and you have no idea about what is the real problem before Elite comes out.
so let me tell you something you never know.
you are a developer, you want to be a delegate...so...what can you do to be a delegate? you have to be show up in lisk.chat everyday ...and call for votes....and the most important things is ..you would never get enough vote weight unless you swap votes with the others....so..you have to swap votes every day and keep your position save.....and we know that you have a full time job and you need to pay some time of swaping votes...and pay some time for developing project for Lisk.....so....you know what is the problem? it's wasting time to swap votes but you have to ...because you will drop out of 101 if you dont do that....you cant expect these "community voters" to support you...it's far from enough...just because most of the community voters are too lazy to vote for delegate.and most of them just want to make profit from polo.
and most of these community voters never know that there have over 30 ARK foundation team member was forging on Lisk main...the ark foundation member use the ico wallet of ARK to vote for themself with 4.7M lisk....they forging on Lisk and dump Lisk to make profit..and feed ark project..that is the main reason why the price of Lisk drop to 7700 sat two month ago....these sucker just suck the blood from Lisk investor to feed their project....does anyone know these story???
what is the forging stuation now? Elite beated ARK ,and kicked most of Ark foundation member out of 101 now...and Elite member start to vote for these delegate who have real project and do contribution to Lisk network and bring them back into 101...and push these delegate who do nothing to Lisk and just forging and dumping...
Elite is a Centralized group. that is right...but Decentralization is not the only way to run Lisk ecosystem. why cant we have a Centralized organization On the basis of Decentralize network....
2.increase the number of delegate is just the most Stupid way to fix "these delegate problem", and i dont see any problem for now...and what i can see is some guys who never know about how to be delegate and what real DPOS is, and just keep talking about they found a "problem" on DPOS...i dont think these "smart guys" are smarter then the creater of DPOS.
so let me tell you something you never know.
you are a developer, you want to be a delegate...so...what can you do to be a delegate? you have to be show up in lisk.chat everyday ...and call for votes....and the most important things is ..you would never get enough vote weight unless you swap votes with the others....so..you have to swap votes every day and keep your position save.....and we know that you have a full time job and you need to pay some time of swaping votes...and pay some time for developing project for Lisk.....so....you know what is the problem? it's wasting time to swap votes but you have to ...because you will drop out of 101 if you dont do that....you cant expect these "community voters" to support you...it's far from enough...just because most of the community voters are too lazy to vote for delegate.and most of them just want to make profit from polo.
and most of these community voters never know that there have over 30 ARK foundation team member was forging on Lisk main...the ark foundation member use the ico wallet of ARK to vote for themself with 4.7M lisk....they forging on Lisk and dump Lisk to make profit..and feed ark project..that is the main reason why the price of Lisk drop to 7700 sat two month ago....these sucker just suck the blood from Lisk investor to feed their project....does anyone know these story???
what is the forging stuation now? Elite beated ARK ,and kicked most of Ark foundation member out of 101 now...and Elite member start to vote for these delegate who have real project and do contribution to Lisk network and bring them back into 101...and push these delegate who do nothing to Lisk and just forging and dumping...
Elite is a Centralized group. that is right...but Decentralization is not the only way to run Lisk ecosystem. why cant we have a Centralized organization On the basis of Decentralize network....
2.increase the number of delegate is just the most Stupid way to fix "these delegate problem", and i dont see any problem for now...and what i can see is some guys who never know about how to be delegate and what real DPOS is, and just keep talking about they found a "problem" on DPOS...i dont think these "smart guys" are smarter then the creater of DPOS.
People who know how to read the blockchain can see your claim that 30 ARK members dumping Lisk is false. Dumping didn't start until Elite came along and took over the network and started pushing out key supporters of Lisk.
-tb-
The Lisk Elite Delegates have formed a nice PONZI SCHEME. Lets see how long it holds up.
I also challenge you to post the names of any Elite delegate members that have any technical contributions to the Lisk project.
The highest technical achievement you have produced is most likely making a meme .gif
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
The Lisk Team should be working 100% on getting that SDK rebuilt as thats the only thing that will pull this turd of a coin out of it's death spiral.
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It has yet to be "changed" since the first lisk implementation, and the SDK is exactly what is being worked on
Sitting around for 2 months and throwing out ideas about how the SDK should function and what tools should be included is not what I'd call "being worked on".
This planning should have been done months ago and honestly the SDK should have been finished long ago.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
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Why does the lisk team keep going back around to changing DPoS?
The current system works as it was designed to work.
The Lisk Team should be working 100% on getting that SDK rebuilt as thats the only thing that will pull this turd of a coin out of it's death spiral.
The current system works as it was designed to work.
The Lisk Team should be working 100% on getting that SDK rebuilt as thats the only thing that will pull this turd of a coin out of it's death spiral.
Yes man, you're right. Need to focus on SDK, this is the most important problem. All tired of waiting. After that solving problems with inflation and DPOS.
This project could have been a winner with the right management. They knew the SDK was crap months ago, but did nothing.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
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PoW vs DPoS:
Contrary to popular belief, 101 single-purpose servers are far more decentralized than thousands of miners lumped on a few mining pools;
not to mention the fact that with PoW, you have an ongoing arms race to become the most powerful miner,
leading to an ever increasing energy consumption of the whole network bottlenecked through these pools.
The Lisk Network has no such difficulty adjustments, and is extremely eco-friendly.
Every pool is just 1 server in the network, not a bottleneck.
Contrary to popular belief, 101 single-purpose servers are far more decentralized than thousands of miners lumped on a few mining pools;
not to mention the fact that with PoW, you have an ongoing arms race to become the most powerful miner,
leading to an ever increasing energy consumption of the whole network bottlenecked through these pools.
The Lisk Network has no such difficulty adjustments, and is extremely eco-friendly.
Every pool is just 1 server in the network, not a bottleneck.
In POW paying for electricity, in DPOS paying for infinite inflation and a large amount of new forged tokens(3,15M new forged lsk in per year with almost free cost price). How you can save money in DPOS? I don't see any advantages in DPOS with such inflation.
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But what about the sidechains when Lisk projects are released?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/lisk-unveils-core-software-revamp-security-top-priority
The move is, in fact, a precursor to a complete rewrite of Lisks SDK code base, which according to the press release is still at the conceptual stage.
pooling, forging rewards, and inflation are being discussed this evening on Lisk chat. there will be changes.
Why does the lisk team keep going back around to changing DPoS?
The current system works as it was designed to work.
The Lisk Team should be working 100% on getting that SDK rebuilt as thats the only thing that will pull this turd of a coin out of it's death spiral.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
I just took the time to revised my votes and un-voted many current delegates that, I believe, are "non do'ers" for Lisk.
Either they don't have a proper Delegate proposal thread on the Lisk forum, or are just -maintaining a node-, or are there -just because they were there at the beginining-.
I'm inviting everyone to also do that work and review their current votes.
I still believe that a split of around 40% pools and 60% Lisk do-ers is an healthy ratio of votes to have.
We already have a pools list posted every each days, but lack totally of a list of actual peeps dev'ing and building on Lisk.
I'm currently reviewing the delegates proposals to give some votes. if you can reply here or pm me for some recommendations, i'll appreciate.
thanks.
Either they don't have a proper Delegate proposal thread on the Lisk forum, or are just -maintaining a node-, or are there -just because they were there at the beginining-.
I'm inviting everyone to also do that work and review their current votes.
I still believe that a split of around 40% pools and 60% Lisk do-ers is an healthy ratio of votes to have.
We already have a pools list posted every each days, but lack totally of a list of actual peeps dev'ing and building on Lisk.
I'm currently reviewing the delegates proposals to give some votes. if you can reply here or pm me for some recommendations, i'll appreciate.
thanks.
So you are wasting space here to tell the community that you revised your votes and we should do the same as you?
Nobody cares who YOU vote for or unvote.
The last time I checked, I could vote whomever I wanted and I dont need a LiskShillBoy telling me how I should vote.
I bought these coins and I will vote for whomever I please.
So stop wasting my time.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
why the price just go down and down? I bought LISK at 0.00044000BTC, and now It is 0.00011000BTC!!!
And why you bought at 0.00044 BTC?
Sorry, but everyone should inform themselves before trading and find the right time.
Lisk is a long-term project and not a small 1-year coin.
You just need patience, the course will go up in the future.
Shit-stain you are going to insult a Lisk investor for buying at 44K?
And then not answer his question?
His question is "why the price just go down and down?"
If you cant answer his question then don't respond. We dont need anymore fanboy blathering on and on.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Is there a way to make this thread "self moderated"?
No. Other projects are creating whole new threads or close them down completely because of these on-going FUD campaigns.
Is it something we should consider so has to keep this thread "fud-free"?
No, we just have to continue to deliver consistently and move into the real world. You can't run away from FUD on BTT.
The problem is that YOU have not delivered anything of value to Lisk and the Lisk investors. You launched some shitty broken alpha software without disclosing that it was not functional.
This blockchain is still nearly as broken today as it was the day you launched it.
In one years time you havent even hammered out a plan for building or rebuilding the SDK which is really shocking considering that this is vital for Lisk's existence.
This is no FUD, this is the truth.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Okay, O_Omaha comes on my IgnoreList because of a too small IQ for Crypto.
Dkay done.
Dkay done.
so why the fuck do i care, kid.
hit the ignore and let that be it.
why post a screen shot of you ignoring me?
is that like supposed to make me feel something?
it just lets me know that you know I'm right about all this and you got nuthin else in the tank.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
It's seem to me majority of Lisk coding is done by fixscrypt but now fixscrypt already moved to Ark. I read on Ark forum Lisk codebase is full of bugs because of rushing out so fixcrypt rewrote it again for Ark. It need to be bug free before they can releasing Ark. My experience I have ton of problems with Lisk on Polionex, deposit and withdrawal. I'm surprised Poloniex still have Lisk.
My experience Lisk has the same problems as all the other coins on Poloniex during maintenance.
My guess, you have no idea of the Lisk code and you don't know GitHub, you repeat only the same typical FUD as all other noobs.
But you know nothing at all:
When will i get my arks to ico page?
end of the month?
What ico? There was an ico?end of the month?
Haha,
Actually he is correct, there was no ICO, Ark had a TEC (token exchange campaign)
so I guess you dont know much either. funny how when you make fun of others, karma has a way of bitch slapping you back to reality. enjoy
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Furthermore, a pre-payment of around 200,000 EUR (213.610 CHF) was conducted with one of the Lisk Foundation's main contractors which handles development, marketing and community support. This pre-payment is not for January only, after the first quarter the real costs can be better estimated.
the team doesn't even do their own development. they contract it out to a third party - who knows who this is?? lol
garbage team.
They do their own development.
The money "pre-payment" of 200,000 EUR is probably to their shell company "LightCurve". Who knows what LightCurve will do with that money. Is there a transparency report?
This really is the silliest FUD I ever saw
yeah that was pretty silly because we all know what happens when that money goes to their shell corp. Max fills his pockets while you lose your bitcoins invested in lisk. dont believe me? lay off the kool-aide for a few days and just look at the charts
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Furthermore, a pre-payment of around 200,000 EUR (213.610 CHF) was conducted with one of the Lisk Foundation's main contractors which handles development, marketing and community support. This pre-payment is not for January only, after the first quarter the real costs can be better estimated.
the team doesn't even do their own development. they contract it out to a third party - who knows who this is?? lol
garbage team.
They do their own development.
The money "pre-payment" of 200,000 EUR is probably to their shell company "LightCurve". Who knows what LightCurve will do with that money. Is there a transparency report?
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Max will not give any reward back to the Lisk community.
This is definitely not true!
Distribution of Testnet Bounties: https://blog.lisk.io/distribution-of-testnet-bounties-e2c0973879f9#.hl5licgkg
Proposal Contest & Delegate Campaign: https://blog.lisk.io/community-delegate-contest-prepare-yourself-4f2da59ff507#.z0zh5p4en
For The Lisk Community, Thank You.: https://blog.lisk.io/for-the-lisk-community-thank-you-ee9870ba5bab#.8369l5nlz
And I know some other people have gotten a thank you for their work last year.
Yes, I meant byteball reward as the poster had suggested.
I see some reward in Lisk has been given back to the community but it's very little in comparison to the time and money the community members have spent helping Lisk.
So Is this not a good statement in your opinion?
Warren:
What will happen to the ByteBalls that you have and will receive?
Lisk (Max):
We have something very positive that we are going to do for the Lisk holders but, as of now, we cannot say exactly what we will do. We are awaiting advise from our lawyers.
https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1420
So you are thinking that Max will distribute his byteballs to all lisk holders?
He also said he would have a whitepaper finished about 8 months ago. still waiting...
Hey, I'm not Max. And I'm not one of his lawyers.
But yes. If he says that then I believe that.
A question about the whitepaper during the last community meeting:
Forrest:
Can we still expect the whitepaper by Q1 2017? Also do you plan to put the whitepaper on github and update when necessary?
Lisk (Max):
My current understanding on whitepaper is that, within this blockchain community, it is used as a marketing tool for upcoming ICO's. We still can, and may, create one but the question will then be if we would like to write a normal whitepaper or a more sophisticated (Ex: Bitcoin, Ethereum) one. It all depends if we find the time to do this or somehow think its worth taking a developers time away from development and steering it towards creating a Lisk whitepaper.
As Founder and CEO of Lisk, Max should have been able to write a whitepaper. He said he was working on the whitepaper before his trip to China, and would finish it up within a couple weeks after returning from China.
This all just more misdirection from the Lisk CEO. The truth is he is not competent enough to write a whitepaper, does not know very much about the Lisk code, found the task too daunting, and said fuck it.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Max will not give any reward back to the Lisk community.
This is definitely not true!
Distribution of Testnet Bounties: https://blog.lisk.io/distribution-of-testnet-bounties-e2c0973879f9#.hl5licgkg
Proposal Contest & Delegate Campaign: https://blog.lisk.io/community-delegate-contest-prepare-yourself-4f2da59ff507#.z0zh5p4en
For The Lisk Community, Thank You.: https://blog.lisk.io/for-the-lisk-community-thank-you-ee9870ba5bab#.8369l5nlz
And I know some other people have gotten a thank you for their work last year.
Yes, I meant byteball reward as the poster had suggested.
I see some reward in Lisk has been given back to the community but it's very little in comparison to the time and money the community members have spent helping Lisk.
So Is this not a good statement in your opinion?
Warren:
What will happen to the ByteBalls that you have and will receive?
Lisk (Max):
We have something very positive that we are going to do for the Lisk holders but, as of now, we cannot say exactly what we will do. We are awaiting advise from our lawyers.
https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1420
So you are thinking that Max will distribute his byteballs to all lisk holders?
He also said he would have a whitepaper finished about 8 months ago. still waiting...
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Max will not give any reward back to the Lisk community.
This is definitely not true!
Distribution of Testnet Bounties: https://blog.lisk.io/distribution-of-testnet-bounties-e2c0973879f9#.hl5licgkg
Proposal Contest & Delegate Campaign: https://blog.lisk.io/community-delegate-contest-prepare-yourself-4f2da59ff507#.z0zh5p4en
For The Lisk Community, Thank You.: https://blog.lisk.io/for-the-lisk-community-thank-you-ee9870ba5bab#.8369l5nlz
And I know some other people have gotten a thank you for their work last year.
Yes, I meant byteball reward as the poster had suggested.
I see some reward in Lisk has been given back to the community but it's very little in comparison to the time and money the community members have spent helping Lisk.
The main problem with Lisk is Max Kordek, secondary to that is that Lisk doesnt work. Even after 1 year of development it still doesnt work.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
If the Chinese have access again to their Bitcoin, they will invest massively.
lol, invest in Lisk, because they will just randomly pick a shitcoin to throw their money into? Dude, this coin is a scam, it's obvious, these guys got over $12mil in BTC which is mind boggling.
I have to agree that this coin is a scam. Lisk team lied about the state of development during the ICO.
This project has been a hot mess since day one and investors have lost fortunes here. Max doesnt care about the price because we gave him 14 thousand bitcoin and he feels no pressure to do anything in a timely manner to get lisk back on track.
It is time for Max Kordek to step down and let someone more capable take control of Lisk. SpongeBob SquarePants could do a better job of managing this project.
I sadly agree. Max seems too relaxed. I have lost a shitload on this project, even from being ICO holder and trying to become a delegate. At first we were waiting on funds to be released, now its meet up after meet up but for what reason? no SDK for another year? the price will shoot lower than ever before. I cant stomach selling out now though but its hard to watch BTC and other projects kick LSK ass. stratis looking better everyday. Max needs to do something here... reward lisk holders with byteball or something similar or people will be out quick.
Max will not give any reward back to the Lisk community.
In fact max wants forging delegates to pay for all development of dapps and requires delegates to fill out a "transparency report" to show what they are doing with forged coins. All the while sitting back resting easy on his 14,000 bitcoin stack.
It's time to step down, Max.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
If the Chinese have access again to their Bitcoin, they will invest massively.
lol, invest in Lisk, because they will just randomly pick a shitcoin to throw their money into? Dude, this coin is a scam, it's obvious, these guys got over $12mil in BTC which is mind boggling.
I have to agree that this coin is a scam. Lisk team lied about the state of development during the ICO.
This project has been a hot mess since day one and investors have lost fortunes here. Max doesnt care about the price because we gave him 14 thousand bitcoin and he feels no pressure to do anything in a timely manner to get lisk back on track.
It is time for Max Kordek to step down and let someone more capable take control of Lisk. SpongeBob SquarePants could do a better job of managing this project.
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
During the ICO, Lisk team portrayed this software as being ready for quick and easy DAPPS development. Did the Lisk team lie about this? or were they not even familiar with Lisk code?
Re: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers
Yep. I am wondering where is the deeper sense of this information. What is so special about working together with a company that i founded by myself???
More crypto shenanigan that leave you rolling your eyes, and shaking your head.
Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹[ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption with SmartBridge🔹
I have 14686 ARK for sale. In my ICO account. PM me if you want to buy.
If you accept Lisk, I'll take them.
-tb-
I'm also selling my bounty campaign account (341 estimated ARK). I accept LSK only. PM me if interested.
what you dont like bitcoin? you sound like a passive aggressive fudster to me.
Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹[ANN][ARK] A Platform for Consumer Adoption with SmartBridge🔹
You really want a refund? planning to buy a cup of coffee at starbuck's? 
I'm gonna keep my Ark's. Ark developer was able to do in 1 month what Lisk developer hasnt been able to do in 9 months (stabilize the core). To me it's looks good for Ark. and getting my 20X investment 
ARK and its developers have many plans and ideas about improvements, and yes, some of them has been already implemented, but to be fair, ARK is more stable for the large reason of 51 delegates instead of 101, as the current codebase (lisk and ark) clearly has a problem keeping 101 nodes in sync. I'm gonna keep my Ark's. Ark developer was able to do in 1 month what Lisk developer hasnt been able to do in 9 months (stabilize the core). To me it's looks good for Ark. and getting my 20X investment When you have this kind of problems you either have to reduce the delegates, increase the blocktime or improve the codebase. For lisk reducing the delegates were never really an option, increasing blocktime were brought up, but Max felt it would be a step in the wrong direction. So they left with improving the code and that is the hardest.
ARK had the luxury to play around with every option before making a decision (there were several test before we picked direction) to reduce the delegate number, before future code improvements can be implemented, like forging uncles, that will hopefully allow even shorter block time without causing stability issues.
Ark developer already made a nice Ark desktop wallet and Android wallet too. Lisk do not even have Android wallet yet. Ark is already done more before ICO was over than Lisk do with 9 months time.
I'm on the right boat
