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Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
I quote a conversation from official Rise Telegram group and then a fact written by an experienced german businessman:
Official Rise group:
[Mistic]
"You got an answer to the 1 million dollar question... correction... German 200.000 euro limit question?"
[Clay aka Laurent from Envion]
"Hi Mistic. It's not a $1 million question. Seems more like manufactured drama. In fact, I'd hazard that you're a capable Google user that has already found the answer.
The sale is limited to German's who make a minimum investment of 200k, so that the STO is not affected by certain provisions which require a lengthy notification period that can last many months and disrupt the planning of the sale. It has no material affect on the project, the company, the token, or otherwise."
Unofficial Rise investors group:
"Its because if you want to do a proper public offering in Germany, BaFin regulations require you to issue a formal prospectus, which requires approval from BaFin. This is usually meant when you say you are BaFin regulated. The approval process takes a few months and cost a sizable sum in lawyer cost. If you skip this effort, you dont have BaFin approval, and you are only allowed to market to the German equivalent of an accredited investor in the US (SEC Regulation D exemption), which means 200k minimum invest and a few other restrictions.
Both the 200k minimum in Germany and the Reg D path in the US are meant to protect naive/inexperienced investors from making investments they dont understand. Therefore, you have to be a skilled investor to participate. If you go for BaFin approval, they check that all relevant disclosures and risks are clearly written in your prospectus - that way, investors are protected, and you are allowed to market to the public.
What happens here (again) is that Rise marketing is trying to look like this is a regulated security offering, when it is not. They say they are BaFin compliant to appear as if BaFin has approved them. In reality, they have never applied for - or received - any BaFin approval for their token offering. BaFin has never looked at it, most likely. Rise are exempt from regulation because they only market to professional investors in Germany. When they say we are BaFin compliant, it only means they are not breaking German law, nothing more.
However, many (naive) investors from around the world read their well crafted marketing and believe this is a safe investment, because BaFin regulation and Germany. And this is likely intended.
Reputable companies dont act like this. All of this shady, misleading and dishonest marketing gives crypto a bad name, and needs to (and will, imho) go away eventually. I hope not too many people get scammed out if their money before that happens."
And some more facts
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/66653086f8f65bea0947201d9e24b4af993b0e1c398e9191f22cf7baf0062249efdbafe0.jpg
Official Rise group:
[Mistic]
"You got an answer to the 1 million dollar question... correction... German 200.000 euro limit question?"
[Clay aka Laurent from Envion]
"Hi Mistic. It's not a $1 million question. Seems more like manufactured drama. In fact, I'd hazard that you're a capable Google user that has already found the answer.
The sale is limited to German's who make a minimum investment of 200k, so that the STO is not affected by certain provisions which require a lengthy notification period that can last many months and disrupt the planning of the sale. It has no material affect on the project, the company, the token, or otherwise."
Unofficial Rise investors group:
"Its because if you want to do a proper public offering in Germany, BaFin regulations require you to issue a formal prospectus, which requires approval from BaFin. This is usually meant when you say you are BaFin regulated. The approval process takes a few months and cost a sizable sum in lawyer cost. If you skip this effort, you dont have BaFin approval, and you are only allowed to market to the German equivalent of an accredited investor in the US (SEC Regulation D exemption), which means 200k minimum invest and a few other restrictions.
Both the 200k minimum in Germany and the Reg D path in the US are meant to protect naive/inexperienced investors from making investments they dont understand. Therefore, you have to be a skilled investor to participate. If you go for BaFin approval, they check that all relevant disclosures and risks are clearly written in your prospectus - that way, investors are protected, and you are allowed to market to the public.
What happens here (again) is that Rise marketing is trying to look like this is a regulated security offering, when it is not. They say they are BaFin compliant to appear as if BaFin has approved them. In reality, they have never applied for - or received - any BaFin approval for their token offering. BaFin has never looked at it, most likely. Rise are exempt from regulation because they only market to professional investors in Germany. When they say we are BaFin compliant, it only means they are not breaking German law, nothing more.
However, many (naive) investors from around the world read their well crafted marketing and believe this is a safe investment, because BaFin regulation and Germany. And this is likely intended.
Reputable companies dont act like this. All of this shady, misleading and dishonest marketing gives crypto a bad name, and needs to (and will, imho) go away eventually. I hope not too many people get scammed out if their money before that happens."
And some more facts
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/66653086f8f65bea0947201d9e24b4af993b0e1c398e9191f22cf7baf0062249efdbafe0.jpg
Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
Here is some more background on the rise ICO. spoiler: the envion guys are obviously doing it...
https://fintelegram.news/envion-da-capo-let-us-do-it-again/
https://fintelegram.news/envion-da-capo-let-us-do-it-again/
they are giving their best to mislead clueless investors around the world
Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
Check it out! Smells fishy!!! 
Clay:
In order to reduce the rate of scam as regards our Public Sale on Monday, we have Private Pre-Sale open to interested investors only with 35% as the profit.
Kindly let us know if you would be interested. Moreso, Kindly keep this information private and off our official group to avoid spam and scam from illegit users, as we contact selected members whom we feel are interested in our project.
Clay:
https://link.medium.com/ipumyiAzyR
Pre-Sale Registration
I really can't understand why they need to hide it on public? Just because of the scamers? Or they are the one who will going to SCAM you?
What do you think???
Clay:
In order to reduce the rate of scam as regards our Public Sale on Monday, we have Private Pre-Sale open to interested investors only with 35% as the profit.
Kindly let us know if you would be interested. Moreso, Kindly keep this information private and off our official group to avoid spam and scam from illegit users, as we contact selected members whom we feel are interested in our project.
Clay:
https://link.medium.com/ipumyiAzyR
Pre-Sale Registration
I really can't understand why they need to hide it on public? Just because of the scamers? Or they are the one who will going to SCAM you?
What do you think???
make a screenshot please
Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
Check it out! Smells fishy!!!
Clay:
In order to reduce the rate of scam as regards our Public Sale on Monday, we have Private Pre-Sale open to interested investors only with 35% as the profit.
Kindly let us know if you would be interested. Moreso, Kindly keep this information private and off our official group to avoid spam and scam from illegit users, as we contact selected members whom we feel are interested in our project.
Clay:
https://link.medium.com/ipumyiAzyR
Pre-Sale Registration
I really can't understand why they need to hide it on public? Just because of the scamers? Or they are the one who will going to SCAM you?
What do you think???
Clay:
In order to reduce the rate of scam as regards our Public Sale on Monday, we have Private Pre-Sale open to interested investors only with 35% as the profit.
Kindly let us know if you would be interested. Moreso, Kindly keep this information private and off our official group to avoid spam and scam from illegit users, as we contact selected members whom we feel are interested in our project.
Clay:
https://link.medium.com/ipumyiAzyR
Pre-Sale Registration
I really can't understand why they need to hide it on public? Just because of the scamers? Or they are the one who will going to SCAM you?
What do you think???
Looks scammy as hell ,, and since i dont know if thats really Laurent clay or just you posting this its hard to tell whois trying to scam.
Laurent is Clay. Check this https://telegra.ph/Riseeco-SCAM-ICO-Envion-20--Exposed-10-28
Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
Until monday. Remember remember the fifth of November
Now more delays more info on FRIDAY.
Bafin is checking them to the bones now because they are shady as hell, the whole concept is built so in the end when everything goes to shit nobody will be responsible for anything. Mark my words.
Re: 🔥[ANN][ICO] rise.eco - Receive passive income. Forever. (oh, really?)
Ask Envions main crook Laurent (hidden as Clay in Rise Telegram group) whats his opinion and how he feels about defrauding honest people over and over again. And if you are at it send a message to Nikita Fuchs and ask him if he already planted some backdoors in the Rise Smart-Contract like he did with Envions.
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
The only way for Envion investors to get their money back is suing Envion and Trado. They were heavily and intentionally misleading investors. Waiting for FINMAs decision is risky at best and uncertain. I have taken my legal steps against those scammers and pursuing it until the end. The indictment and proofs will bring them to their knees in front of a judge.
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
Hi. I want to buy some tokens with my credit card but i'm afraid i can't complete kyc because i have only ID with non latin characters.
Is the KYC mandatory for CC investors? Is there any solution?
Is the KYC mandatory for CC investors? Is there any solution?
while investing check the box "advanced KYC if your documents have non latin characters" and no worries about the confirmation
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
check out this dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjXW8z-MroY
he shows an app (Delta or something) where Envion (ENV) Token is already listed for 11 USD he totally freaked out when he saw that but it cant be right.
he shows an app (Delta or something) where Envion (ENV) Token is already listed for 11 USD he totally freaked out when he saw that but it cant be right.
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
What is the frequency of dividend pay out? Do you pay daily, weekly or monthly or something else?
weekly. Starting end of January 2018
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
And why is it the most profitable, that sounds very shady indeed
Because in future most of the stationary mining farms will face heavy problems by eletricity prices and law regulations. Guess who will be there to provide them MMUs to stay in business.
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
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FYI.
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Letters of Intent. LOI's. They literally mean nothing. It is the favorite term used exclusively by Pump and Dump scam stocks on the NYSE and the entire United States stock market.
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LOI's are an easy way for the traded company to keep the hype up without actually having to get into any legalities from the government.
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That's why the term LOI is used heavily in Wall Street scams.
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Stay informed fellow humans..
could you please explain more about this?
The first result on the web gave me this: http://www.fraudaid.com/letter_of_intent_fraud.htm
Quote
A Letter of Intent is written once a general agreement has been worked out between parties such as a buyer and a seller, and outlines the various points of the general agreement. An LOI is usually non-binding and contains a non-binding clause.
CAUTION: If the LOI is binding, then it should be reviewed very carefully by an attorney, and the reasons for such a commitment need to be reviewed with extreme caution since the Letter has now become a contract.
The Scam: A Letter of Intent is just about always used in a High-Yield Investment Program scam.
The purpose of the Letter of Intent (LOI):
It provides the swindler with a means of eliciting a commitment from you. Although the LOI is virtually useless since it is produced with the intent to defraud, nonetheless it is a means of forcing you to commit yourself to an action since you don't know fraud is involved.
It allows the swindler to use the LOI as a threat you start balking or is not moving fast enough.
It is used in Daisy Chains ad nauseam. A Daisy Chain is a chain of brokers or intermediaries, especially in the UNDERGROUND NETWORK. Each so-called broker, from the swindler on down, passes out LOI's like candy, supposedly to protect his spot in the commission structure. It's all hogwash, but apart from the swindler himself, most of these people don't know that. With each LOI comes a NON-CIRCUMVENTION NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT (NCND), also as worthless as the paper it's written on since once again, the entire purpose of all these agreements is intent to defraud. Just as a side note, any commissions received by one of these brokers/intermediaries are derived stolen funds.
CAUTION: If the LOI is binding, then it should be reviewed very carefully by an attorney, and the reasons for such a commitment need to be reviewed with extreme caution since the Letter has now become a contract.
The Scam: A Letter of Intent is just about always used in a High-Yield Investment Program scam.
The purpose of the Letter of Intent (LOI):
It provides the swindler with a means of eliciting a commitment from you. Although the LOI is virtually useless since it is produced with the intent to defraud, nonetheless it is a means of forcing you to commit yourself to an action since you don't know fraud is involved.
It allows the swindler to use the LOI as a threat you start balking or is not moving fast enough.
It is used in Daisy Chains ad nauseam. A Daisy Chain is a chain of brokers or intermediaries, especially in the UNDERGROUND NETWORK. Each so-called broker, from the swindler on down, passes out LOI's like candy, supposedly to protect his spot in the commission structure. It's all hogwash, but apart from the swindler himself, most of these people don't know that. With each LOI comes a NON-CIRCUMVENTION NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT (NCND), also as worthless as the paper it's written on since once again, the entire purpose of all these agreements is intent to defraud. Just as a side note, any commissions received by one of these brokers/intermediaries are derived stolen funds.
I'm not saying Envion is a scam, but I would't get my hopes up on LOIs either. As I read it they are worth less than promises. More like reserving a spot for a possible investment, like whitelisting.
Got it. Thank you.
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
.
.
FYI.
.
.
Letters of Intent. LOI's. They literally mean nothing. It is the favorite term used exclusively by Pump and Dump scam stocks on the NYSE and the entire United States stock market.
.
.
LOI's are an easy way for the traded company to keep the hype up without actually having to get into any legalities from the government.
.
.
That's why the term LOI is used heavily in Wall Street scams.
.
.
Stay informed fellow humans..
could you please explain more about this?
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
do you have ane explanation on an ENV token listed on Coinmarketcap selling for USD 0,00003 and rising?
100% fake
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
I have sent numerous emails regarding a failed transaction, my 1.98 ETH does not reflect in my ENV wallet, please assist as a matter of urgency
Check this step by step tutorial https://medium.com/@andreas_gr/how-to-add-custom-evn-token-on-mew-3d25b2f930e0
You must add the Token when you are logged in with your ETH Wallet.
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
I bought a few using myetherwallet, but the tokens are not there yet. Anyone got the same issue?
You need to add the ENV Token, its easy. Read here https://medium.com/@andreas_gr/how-to-add-custom-evn-token-on-mew-3d25b2f930e0
Re: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure
I have also referred my friend and she is doing 1 ETH . Can u pls tell me if I can get referal bonus
no ref bonuses...