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Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 24/02/2012, 14:50:48 UTC
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What are double spends and how do they occur?
You'll need to understand some more of the technical details of bitcoin's operation before you can think clearly about this.  The seminal bitcoin paper (google for "satoshi nakamoto paper") is a good start.  Many of the things you propose would be hard to implement in a bitcoin-style framework.

As for your question about how to create one, someone will have to implement it in software, someone will have to market it, someone will have to develop user-friendly tools for manipulating and tracking it.  You've got your work cut out for you.

Thanks. Looks a daunting task then.
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Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 24/02/2012, 11:41:07 UTC

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1. Imposing a "tax" in an alt chain that regularly reduces the number of coins in an address by a percentage is technically possible, but is effectively the exact same thing as inflation (just adding more coins, making existing coins worth slightly less).


I don't understand this.

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2. The problem with trying to make a cryptocurrency to help unemployment or poverty is that you need a way to certify that each person only gets one "share".  If you add money to every address, anyone can just generate millions of addresses and get a much larger amount than any honest actors.


You can add millions of addresses, but as long noone wants to send you money, you get nothing.
The holder has to pay, but he gets to decide whom he wants to pay. If he or she chooses none, then the decision will be made by the community.

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3.  Why do you want no inflation or delfation to occur?  Do you understand this means having a fixed number of coins, forever?


Yes! The world would have 1bit Royen coin forever! It will be the total size of the economy forever.
If the world needs two coins, the Royen coin gets split and the world will have two 2bit Royen coins, worth one 1bit Royen coin.

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4. It is impossible to know which coins were lost, and which ones are being saved.


Both apply to the same rules. Keep them too long and they will go to the job market. That way, no coins will be lost forever preventing it from being a deflationary currency.

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5. People are stupid.  "Simple rules that anyone can understand" is an overambitious goal.  Not everyone understands cryptographic hashing, so many will not understand your currency, regardless of how simple it is.


True, I however meant, rules that make sense. For example the Occcu, I don't understand the reasoning behind adding 10.000 coins to your wallet. Or why do people get money for simply having lots of GPU?
Or why divding the bitcoins to a quadrillion? I don't consider that readable with the type of numerals we use. It's also psychologicaly unsound for me and I'm sure it will be for others, because if I have to trade
in bitcoins it keeps making me feel I will never have that much money if I spend it.

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6. If you "tax" saving, people would just transfer back and forth between two accounts to keep coins "fresh". 


Yeah, I immediately thought of that problem too. I'm thinking of a mechanism that if you get caught doing that, you are fined for double and someone else or the community decides who will be employed with that money.

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7. If you want to launch your own alt-chain, read and understand the Bitcoin source code.


Yeah, I'm looking at it. Is the Bitcoin's client source code all the source code that's needed?


Thanks for your criticisms.
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Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 24/02/2012, 08:29:12 UTC
But with Royen Credits, both sellers would have their holdings cut in half, so nobody loses!

And if the buyer makes only small double payments, then he can double his money!

Wheee... this is fun!

If a buyer has 5 6bit-cents and double-pays 4 6bit cents for 8 products, all second transactions will be considerd invalid,
You'll get 4 double-spending points, making you an unreliable costumer and because so many mini-transactions have been made,
you can't spend your last 6bit cent until both you and the new seller are then focrced to use 7bit transactions.
Thus you'll have 2 7bit cents, which is worth 1 6bit cent. You cannot double your money by spending small amounts of it!

Thanks for your criticism!  Smiley
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Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 24/02/2012, 07:11:36 UTC
Wow?

I spend x with you, I spend the same x with someone else.  I get 2x the product and both sellers got left with the same coins.

So what does Bitcoin do to prevent this from happening?
And how does Bitcoin prevent anyone from spending fake coins?

From what I've read so far, the second transaction will be considered invalid. My currency will do the same.
I'm not sure what Bitcoin does to prevent both products delivered, but you certainly will be given a bad rating as a costumer, thus losing trust from other potential sellers.

Thank you for your criticism! Smiley
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Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 24/02/2012, 05:14:17 UTC
Without mining what prevents double spends.

I won't address the lunacy of the other points.  For the sake of argument lets pretend they work, are wonderful, and are necessary for human evolution.

No mining = no consensus.  No consensus = no ability to ensure coins haven't be spend not just 2x but infinite number of times.

What are double spends and how do they occur?
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Re: Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 24/02/2012, 04:47:34 UTC
You take my money if I don't spend it, and you half it if I spend too much.

Hmm, maybe I'll just write a bot to constantly make 1 cent payments and you double my money.

That wouldn't work.
All money would be "doubled", not just yours, so you'd still end up with less money, but you're able to make smaller payments.
But thanks for the idea, I wouldn't want the quantifier to go to infinity, because of a single bot in a community of a million.

all the money in the world =
1 1 bit cent =
2 2 bit cents =
4 3 bit cents =
8 4 bit cents =
16 5 bit cents

and so forth.
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Altcoin suggestion: Royen Credits [criticism needed]
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PrinceBitcoin
on 23/02/2012, 19:16:18 UTC
I've looked at BitCoin and although it looks very promising, I don't like the idea of mining, nor the maximum of just 21 million .

So I made a concept for an alternative currency which I'll call Royen Credits for now.

I would love to hear criticism for this idea,
and advice on how to launch a new cryptocurrency.
And if someone can think of an even better name, I would appreciate it very much.



The aim of this currency is:

  • Most importantly and ultimately, to prevent massive unwanted unemployment, unpaid employment and bonded labour forever.
  • To be able to transfer money for free.
  • Have a currency that is both wanted and in full circulation.
  • To be able to both scale incrementally as well as decrementally so that no inflation or deflation occurs.
  • Have simple rules anyone can understand.



And of course since it's a cryptocurrency:

  • To have a transparent currency
  • To have a A decentralized currency
  • To have a A P2P currency
  • To able to trade it using FLOSS software



These are the rules so far:

  • If someone holds money in this the currency for too long or lost due to attrition, the money will be spend on startups and new employment.
It's not clear yet how this mechanism will work, but the payment direction will be decided by the holder and the employment and startups lists by the community.

  • All the money in this currency should double in value if too many payments are done in single units (cents). In order to prevent payments done in undoubled money,
all wallets will contain a bit marker. If too many payments are done above 100 units (a single coin),  the money will be halved again and halved money will be frozen in the wallet,
but this is not expected. It is not clear yet how many is too many.

  • In an attempt to do this this new currency will simply start from a single 1bit Royen coin, held by me of course.

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Re: How did you guys get into bitcoin?
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PrinceBitcoin
on 17/02/2012, 08:05:38 UTC
Wikipedia. I was looking for an alternative for Moneybookers, preferably one that doesn't take away money if I transfer money or tells me to need to have a bank account.
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Re: Pilipinas (Philippines)
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PrinceBitcoin
on 17/02/2012, 06:25:47 UTC
kung ready ka na mag-cash out just tell me. bilhin ko btc mo directly in peso:

btc -> local buyer -> peso

or you can always do this:

btc -> btc exchange -> liberty reserve -> liberty reserve exchange -> bank -> peso

Thank you very much, kind Sir.
I'm sure my Princess will be pleased to hear this.