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Hey,
Want to sell 4.5 billion ISK.
Prices:
1 billion ISK - 5.5 BTC
1 PLEX - 2.8 BTC
Cheaper for multiple orders!
Obviously it's on TQ. Can give it as ISK (but more risky for bans), ships or whatever else as long as it's FAST (don't ask me to grab loads of Tritanium ore and haul it 30 jumps).
Would also accept somewhere in the region of 130 MTGO Tickets.
Reikoku.
Want to sell 4.5 billion ISK.
Prices:
1 billion ISK - 5.5 BTC
1 PLEX - 2.8 BTC
Cheaper for multiple orders!
Obviously it's on TQ. Can give it as ISK (but more risky for bans), ships or whatever else as long as it's FAST (don't ask me to grab loads of Tritanium ore and haul it 30 jumps).
Would also accept somewhere in the region of 130 MTGO Tickets.
Reikoku.
Selling the five GPUs stated above. I am based in the EU.
First non-lowball offer takes them. Looking for at least 200BTC.
If I split them, you're paying shipping.
Buyer pays first unless very trusted. Bitcoin payment only.
First non-lowball offer takes them. Looking for at least 200BTC.
If I split them, you're paying shipping.
Buyer pays first unless very trusted. Bitcoin payment only.
Used. Looking for $180 or 45 BTC each.
EU-based. Can ship to anywhere in EU for $10 or 2.5 BTC.
Can get some pics soon, I'm out of the country at the moment.
Boxes are there, warranties haven't been registered and I've got the cards.
EU-based. Can ship to anywhere in EU for $10 or 2.5 BTC.
Can get some pics soon, I'm out of the country at the moment.
Boxes are there, warranties haven't been registered and I've got the cards.
Trying to sell 2x XFX 5870 with boxes, they've been run for a month at 933/275 and got me about 430MH/s each. Asking 18 BTC each plus shipping.
Trying to sell 2x XFX 5770 with boxes, they've been run for 3 weeks (don't remember OC) and got me about 210MH/s each. Asking 10 BTC each plus shipping.
Warranties not yet registered so you can probably register those yourselves. Not 100% sure how this works.
Trying to sell 2x XFX 5770 with boxes, they've been run for 3 weeks (don't remember OC) and got me about 210MH/s each. Asking 10 BTC each plus shipping.
Warranties not yet registered so you can probably register those yourselves. Not 100% sure how this works.
and the Islamic extremists would cease to have reason to exist and would ultimately disband.
Very true. Somalis are the most liberal Muslims I've ever met. It's just that the extremists are the lesser of two evils.
Now we just need some gutsy, heavily armed libertarians to move over there and establish some businesses to get things going.
+1+1
If there was no war and I had the money I'd go there.
+1 more.
Have you ever met a Somalian? Have you ever read the news from Somalia? It's a raging wars be with roaming warlords killing indiscriminately, like most states that end up anarchic.
Yeah, those anarchic shitholes are terrible. Nothing compared to statist utopias like Rwanda, Ethiopia, North Korea and Congo, where nobody ever dies for no good reason.
No, that's pretty bad for any kind of zone. It's one of the lowest life expectancies in the world and most of the countries below it have rates of AIDS infection that go up to nearly 40% of the population. Well, them and Afghanistan. But even Iraq beats Somalia out by a solid 11 years.
And yet Somalia, despite being an open borders African country has a 0.2% adult AIDS prevelance.
I'm going to cross post my wall of text from the other thread:
Somalia is such a horribly flawed argument that I don't even know where to begin. First of all, I guess, the best idea would probably be some context.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that you can't compare a East African nation which has been at constant civil war with would-be governments for the past two decades with a thriving developed state, so let's start by drawing our comparison between Somalia now and Somalia in 1991 when it had a state.
What's changed? Well according to this article, much has changed. This table is sourced with data from the BBC article linked:
| Index | 1991 | 2011 |
| Life Expectancy | 46 years | 50 years |
| Death Rate | 19 | 16 |
| GDP per capita | $210 | $600 |
| Infant Mortality | 116/1000 | 109/1000 |
| Access to Safe Water | 35% | 29% |
| Adult Literacy | 24% | 38% |
Aside from the drop in access to safe water which is clearly a bad thing, I would say that Somalia has actually improved in its stateless condition. The average citizen is three times wealthier than he was in 1991, even accounting for inflation, he is twice as wealthy. He will live four years longer than he would have in 1991, he is 50% more likely to be able to read and write than he was in 1991. These are not signs of a country on the decline.
Here are some other choice quotes about Somalia from the article:
1. "Common sense dictates that security and stability are the necessary preconditions to economic development.
Since 26 January 1991, most of Somalia has had neither, yet the economy has not only been resilient, some sectors have shown remarkable growth."
2. "now someone can make a mobile call from anywhere in the country.
There are nine networks to choose from and they offer services from texting to mobile internet access."
Peter Little, in his 2003 book 'Somalia', notes that "there are still fees to be paid to greedy faction leaders and militia at ports and roadblocks, but levels of taxation and trade restrictions are considerably below what they were pre-1991".
Amoud University, set up in 1997, now employs 45 teachers, has 1,000 students and a library of over 100,000 books. It is respected as one of the best Universities in the Horn of Africa.
This table is produced from data from the Independent Institute's paper, comparing Somalia amongst 42 sub-Saharan countries. Statistic is a rank so higher is better (bold indicates improvement, or top 50% on a new measure):
| Index | 2005 | 1990 | |
| Life Expectancy | 18 | 37 | |
| Death Rate (per 1000) | 17 | 37 | |
| Child Malnutrition | 20a | N/A | |
| Telephone Main Lines (per 1000) | 8 | 29b | |
| Mobile Cellphones (per 1000) | 16 | N/A | |
| Internet Users (per 1000) | 11 | N/A | |
| Households with TV | 27c | N/A | |
| DPT Immunisation % | 41 | 38d | |
| Measles Immunisation % | 42 | 38d | |
| Access to Sanitation | 24 | N/A | |
| Access to Clean Water | 41 | N/A | |
| Tuberculosis Cases (per 1000) | 31 | 40 |
a. Ranking out of 36
b. Ranking out of 41
c. Ranking out of 40
d. Ranking out of 39
Somalia does have private defense firms, you call them out as an extortion racket because they charge for their services? Last I checked, the government don't work for free. They have a working currency and a (primitive) legal system. The biggest issue with Somalia is inherent mistrust of the outside, their laws only extend to Somali citizens, so their chances of globalising are a flat zero. This is not consistent with libertarianism at all.
Having said that, there must be something the Somalians like about not having a state, or they wouldn't have successfully opposed every single one that tried to set itself up on their land in the past twenty years.
When you stop trying to compare imperfect anarchism with a perfect state, your arguments might make sense and have coherence. All forms of sociopolitical structure are imperfect, compare relevant shining beacons of the state like Kenya, Ethiopia, Rwanda and DR Congo with Somalia. Compare pre-1991 Somalia with Somalia.
I would recommend that people actually take the time to understand the situation there before jumping for joy when they find an 'anarcho-capitalist' state which happens to be performing in a less-than-stellar manner.
Somalia is such a horribly flawed argument that I don't even know where to begin. First of all, I guess, the best idea would probably be some context.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that you can't compare a East African nation which has been at constant civil war with would-be governments for the past two decades with a thriving developed state, so let's start by drawing our comparison between Somalia now and Somalia in 1991 when it had a state.
What's changed? Well according to this article, much has changed. This table is sourced with data from the BBC article linked:
Aside from the drop in access to safe water which is clearly a bad thing, I would say that Somalia has actually improved in its stateless condition. The average citizen is three times wealthier than he was in 1991, even accounting for inflation, he is twice as wealthy. He will live four years longer than he would have in 1991, he is 50% more likely to be able to read and write than he was in 1991. These are not signs of a country on the decline.
Here are some other choice quotes about Somalia from the article:
1. "Common sense dictates that security and stability are the necessary preconditions to economic development.
Since 26 January 1991, most of Somalia has had neither, yet the economy has not only been resilient, some sectors have shown remarkable growth."
2. "now someone can make a mobile call from anywhere in the country.
There are nine networks to choose from and they offer services from texting to mobile internet access."
Peter Little, in his 2003 book 'Somalia', notes that "there are still fees to be paid to greedy faction leaders and militia at ports and roadblocks, but levels of taxation and trade restrictions are considerably below what they were pre-1991".
Amoud University, set up in 1997, now employs 45 teachers, has 1,000 students and a library of over 100,000 books. It is respected as one of the best Universities in the Horn of Africa.
This table is produced from data from the Independent Institute's paper, comparing Somalia amongst 42 sub-Saharan countries. Statistic is a rank so higher is better (bold indicates improvement, or top 50% on a new measure):
a. Ranking out of 36
b. Ranking out of 41
c. Ranking out of 40
d. Ranking out of 39
Somalia does have private defense firms, you call them out as an extortion racket because they charge for their services? Last I checked, the government don't work for free. They have a working currency and a (primitive) legal system. The biggest issue with Somalia is inherent mistrust of the outside, their laws only extend to Somali citizens, so their chances of globalising are a flat zero. This is not consistent with libertarianism at all.
Having said that, there must be something the Somalians like about not having a state, or they wouldn't have successfully opposed every single one that tried to set itself up on their land in the past twenty years.
When you stop trying to compare imperfect anarchism with a perfect state, your arguments might make sense and have coherence. All forms of sociopolitical structure are imperfect, compare relevant shining beacons of the state like Kenya, Ethiopia, Rwanda and DR Congo with Somalia. Compare pre-1991 Somalia with Somalia.
I would recommend that people actually take the time to understand the situation there before jumping for joy when they find an 'anarcho-capitalist' state which happens to be performing in a less-than-stellar manner.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that you can't compare a East African nation which has been at constant civil war with would-be governments for the past two decades with a thriving developed state, so let's start by drawing our comparison between Somalia now and Somalia in 1991 when it had a state.
What's changed? Well according to this article, much has changed. This table is sourced with data from the BBC article linked:
| Index | 1991 | 2011 |
| Life Expectancy | 46 years | 50 years |
| Death Rate | 19 | 16 |
| GDP per capita | $210 | $600 |
| Infant Mortality | 116/1000 | 109/1000 |
| Access to Safe Water | 35% | 29% |
| Adult Literacy | 24% | 38% |
Aside from the drop in access to safe water which is clearly a bad thing, I would say that Somalia has actually improved in its stateless condition. The average citizen is three times wealthier than he was in 1991, even accounting for inflation, he is twice as wealthy. He will live four years longer than he would have in 1991, he is 50% more likely to be able to read and write than he was in 1991. These are not signs of a country on the decline.
Here are some other choice quotes about Somalia from the article:
1. "Common sense dictates that security and stability are the necessary preconditions to economic development.
Since 26 January 1991, most of Somalia has had neither, yet the economy has not only been resilient, some sectors have shown remarkable growth."
2. "now someone can make a mobile call from anywhere in the country.
There are nine networks to choose from and they offer services from texting to mobile internet access."
Peter Little, in his 2003 book 'Somalia', notes that "there are still fees to be paid to greedy faction leaders and militia at ports and roadblocks, but levels of taxation and trade restrictions are considerably below what they were pre-1991".
Amoud University, set up in 1997, now employs 45 teachers, has 1,000 students and a library of over 100,000 books. It is respected as one of the best Universities in the Horn of Africa.
This table is produced from data from the Independent Institute's paper, comparing Somalia amongst 42 sub-Saharan countries. Statistic is a rank so higher is better (bold indicates improvement, or top 50% on a new measure):
| Index | 2005 | 1990 | |
| Life Expectancy | 18 | 37 | |
| Death Rate (per 1000) | 17 | 37 | |
| Child Malnutrition | 20a | N/A | |
| Telephone Main Lines (per 1000) | 8 | 29b | |
| Mobile Cellphones (per 1000) | 16 | N/A | |
| Internet Users (per 1000) | 11 | N/A | |
| Households with TV | 27c | N/A | |
| DPT Immunisation % | 41 | 38d | |
| Measles Immunisation % | 42 | 38d | |
| Access to Sanitation | 24 | N/A | |
| Access to Clean Water | 41 | N/A | |
| Tuberculosis Cases (per 1000) | 31 | 40 |
a. Ranking out of 36
b. Ranking out of 41
c. Ranking out of 40
d. Ranking out of 39
Somalia does have private defense firms, you call them out as an extortion racket because they charge for their services? Last I checked, the government don't work for free. They have a working currency and a (primitive) legal system. The biggest issue with Somalia is inherent mistrust of the outside, their laws only extend to Somali citizens, so their chances of globalising are a flat zero. This is not consistent with libertarianism at all.
Having said that, there must be something the Somalians like about not having a state, or they wouldn't have successfully opposed every single one that tried to set itself up on their land in the past twenty years.
When you stop trying to compare imperfect anarchism with a perfect state, your arguments might make sense and have coherence. All forms of sociopolitical structure are imperfect, compare relevant shining beacons of the state like Kenya, Ethiopia, Rwanda and DR Congo with Somalia. Compare pre-1991 Somalia with Somalia.
I would recommend that people actually take the time to understand the situation there before jumping for joy when they find an 'anarcho-capitalist' state which happens to be performing in a less-than-stellar manner.