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Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?
Okay I own this psu
https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/rsp1500.pdf
it goes as high as 13.5 volts or as low as 10 volts it is 87% so just about a gold
if it can run your machine at 10 volts and say 3000gh or 2800 gh using 600 to 700 watts your machine is worth more to most usa buyers.
I can run a full set of tests for you.
Just GET ME an avalon 6.
https://www.trcelectronics.com/ecomm/pdf/rsp1500.pdf
it goes as high as 13.5 volts or as low as 10 volts it is 87% so just about a gold
if it can run your machine at 10 volts and say 3000gh or 2800 gh using 600 to 700 watts your machine is worth more to most usa buyers.
I can run a full set of tests for you.
Just GET ME an avalon 6.
😇 I'll probably get one of each. Bitcoin mining seems like an interesting endeavor
Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?
hmmm... interesting thread.
Sorry, i don't mean to angrily bash your product even before it came out. I understand that production costs are productions costs and you want to avoid selling at a loss like SP did with the SP20.
I'm just struggling to understand the pricing scheme.
Miner manufactures just sell the rigs at the highest price which can make most of the money.
In China, a fair price for this stage of instock rigs (~0.25-0.3W/Ghs) is ~ 2200RMB/Ths, it's about 345$/Ths. exclude of shipping. By this price, you can sell as many as you want of them. So...
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Lol yup.
I'm young, but I'm a chemical engineer and have worked a lot of shitty sales. High ticket 2k + machines. I've never seen a true cost to manufacture over 20%. Ever. Think Kirby vacuums. Fitness machines. Printers. Heck cars. It's nothing new. Its like that on every industry but in this one it's worse. I hope antminer reads this, too.
These machines sound juicy. Potential game changers for the little guy at home, but how the market is turning? People will be in the marketplace in a few months trying to sell them used at retail too lol
Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?
I don't think any of these companies price their products properly. Why? Cause people used to buy them for 10k+ no questions asked. Now? Everyone is buying out or trying to milk it.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Although i agree with your statement on the prices. Those that bought the miners with btc suffer with the rise in prise.. those that bought with usd are laughing all the way to the bank.(that is the nature and risk of mining) Hell i bought 30 s1 when btc was 650 only to watch it drop all way down to 300 making the s1 not profitable.. had i not mined solo and found 7 blocks they would prolly never roi considering i bought them with cash. With regards to the lottery, if you live in my state your gonna be surprised when its time to go cash in that ticket.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-lottery-lawsuit-met-20150909-story.html this was the cap at 25k article and since our lovely govt cant ever get there shit together they have now a month later moved that down to 600$ (yet they continue to sell tickets like nothing is wrong!) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-lottery-delayed-payouts-met-20151014-story.html what i find alarming is they are now expecting the small business to fork over the winnings for the smaller tickets and then those businesses will then have to fight illinois for the back payments.. Could put some small stores in a bind. Not like they give a shit.. but anyway thought id share this:)Best Regards
d57heinz
Lol yuuuup. Its crazy.
And then people try to sell used equipment for more than original retail. Probably because they bought in bitcoin and can't keep up. Smh...
If the S7 lite is priced at 1k? Sign me up for 5-10 of those babies. That will kill the Avalon and I'm damn certain antminer will still make bank off us. Make it a black Friday sale if they wanna charge 1500 for it cause it's just a little better and people will buy it.
If not? Maybe a Avalon group buy. Negotiate that 900-1k price in a bulk order.
Yeah i do not really understand the pricing scheme. But if you look at Ebay, apparently people are still buying crap, like S1 or USB or old 3J/GH stuff at 0.30$/GH. I'm not sure if its because there's so many desperate/unknowledgeable gamblers that buy all they can find or what...
But other than that, i don't see why people would be buying the Avalon6 at 1300$, the S7 has better efficiency and cheaper $/GH.
And indeed if the S7 lite is indeed a 2 bladed S7, then unless Bitmain crank up the price like crazy, it will leave the Avalon6 in the dust.
I have a love/hate relationship with ebay. I hate the fees ebay, paypal...etc. It really does add up. I have found normally even after all that I get more on used gear there then here on forum. On forum here a lot want a bargin, so it makes it tough. Ebay you can sell a good amount higher in some cases.
I have only had one weird one. I had 2 C1's one worked fully other had some hashing boards that dropped. I sold working one on ebay... thought I did decent felt good..... but I sold a parts C1 on forum and I made more money parting out C1 then I did for a working one. Part of it was I had upgraded pump, wire harness, etc. But the full unit came with it. It's the only time I have felt like better deal was on forum.
I love my tech. Scouring dealsnow and techbargain was just a hobby even if I had something great already. Even Apple understands, "if I release a new product? Price match the old or even beat it, and and don't try to sell year old (marketplacers) and used tech for more than original retail."
We already know what then S7 lite price is gonna be. 1400. And the Avalon still probably won't sell cause of it.
Bitcoin price spike Last year made a lot of people greedy and desperate. The days of selling overpriced Technology is over.
And amazon\ebay have better prices for some sp20s s3s and s4s. If these two aren't priced right? Going with old tech. I'm not here to lose money. None of us are, but so many here are and ya gotta really wonder why?
Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?
I don't think any of these companies price their products properly. Why? Cause people used to buy them for 10k+ no questions asked. Now? Everyone is buying out or trying to milk it.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Although i agree with your statement on the prices. Those that bought the miners with btc suffer with the rise in prise.. those that bought with usd are laughing all the way to the bank.(that is the nature and risk of mining) Hell i bought 30 s1 when btc was 650 only to watch it drop all way down to 300 making the s1 not profitable.. had i not mined solo and found 7 blocks they would prolly never roi considering i bought them with cash. With regards to the lottery, if you live in my state your gonna be surprised when its time to go cash in that ticket.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-lottery-lawsuit-met-20150909-story.html this was the cap at 25k article and since our lovely govt cant ever get there shit together they have now a month later moved that down to 600$ (yet they continue to sell tickets like nothing is wrong!) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-lottery-delayed-payouts-met-20151014-story.html what i find alarming is they are now expecting the small business to fork over the winnings for the smaller tickets and then those businesses will then have to fight illinois for the back payments.. Could put some small stores in a bind. Not like they give a shit.. but anyway thought id share this:)Best Regards
d57heinz
Lol yuuuup. Its crazy.
And then people try to sell used equipment for more than original retail. Probably because they bought in bitcoin and can't keep up. Smh...
If the S7 lite is priced at 1k? Sign me up for 5-10 of those babies. That will kill the Avalon and I'm damn certain antminer will still make bank off us. Make it a black Friday sale if they wanna charge 1500 for it cause it's just a little better and people will buy it.
If not? Maybe a Avalon group buy. Negotiate that 900-1k price in a bulk order.
Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 0.5% fee anonymous solo bitcoin mining 111 blocks solved!
Received with much thanks! Maybe you'll even find more blocks.
A man can dream. 3 blocks in a year with under 10 TH/s is damn lucky.
Luck? Psssh. Make me your apprentice
. Teach me your ways lol. I just want 1 block once I start up😁Given the MANY issues with Neptunes, I would ignore them.
Given your stated electric cost, I'd be looking more at "how much power I have available" and figure based on that - and look at more efficient options too so as to maximise hashrate based on available power.
Are the issues preventable with proper maintenance and keeping an eye on them? Even underclocking and keeping the room extra cool with an air purifier to keep particulate to a minimum? Given your stated electric cost, I'd be looking more at "how much power I have available" and figure based on that - and look at more efficient options too so as to maximise hashrate based on available power.
10 s3s is comparable to one s7 hash wise and does beat the going rate of around 2k for sure.
Thanks for the inputs so far everyone.
Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?
I don't think any of these companies price their products properly. Why? Cause people used to buy them for 10k+ no questions asked. Now? Everyone is buying out or trying to milk it.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Your forgetting price of BTC during some of the purchases. Like when I purchased my dragon at the time I felt i spent a ton on it.... but BTC was worth a good amount so it seemed fair. But miners were not cheap during start of asics.
It was 3 month ROI on most GPU rigs... and that ended and time is now much much longer to ROI.
Also power has changed it's moving more twords what I call hobby mining. It's getting more and more where you need a area for miners. With them getting bigger, louder, and more powerful it's hard to slap one in a room anymore.
Things are changing. I think hobby miners will do fine for foreseeable future, home miners wanting to put in a room they use going down in numbers.
I would love to see how many people run under 500GH/s today and their actual return compared to the environmental impact.... errr... cost of electricity. As well as the effect on the network hash rate and difficulty. Plus with credit card companies and banks investing? People are banking for a spike they already missed lol
But I'm not an analyst. I'm just watching and waiting.
Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose?
I don't think any of these companies price their products properly. Why? Cause people used to buy them for 10k+ no questions asked. Now? Everyone is buying out or trying to milk it.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Avalon6 is overpriced. Won't doubt it if the S7 lite price makes people think twice, too.
People accept the 4month ROI. It's easy to price everything accordingly.
Their target market are people with established and profitable rigs looking to upgrade in bulk not people trying to buy one for fun or hobbyist who view this as a lottery attempt. You're better off taking your cash to the actual lottery unless you're shelling out at least 5k.
Based on what I want to set up and how I want to go about running my rig, I'm thinking I could start with 8 full Neptune sets or 3 sp35/31. Of course there's a difference in hash rate but the sp35 is newer. Electricity is a nonfactor in my soon to be. (Free utilities, complex probably bundles).
Which should I get? The fireboxes or a lesser hash rate for my investment? ~7-9 TH/s
Which should I get? The fireboxes or a lesser hash rate for my investment? ~7-9 TH/s
From what I'm seeing S5+,S7, KNC Neptune, sp35/31. I saw a few on suryastore that have good TH/price of machine but not sure if the site is legit or not. I like the look of the rockminer and smart miners.
Also electricity is a factor. I'd rather a pissed off landlord who bundles their electricity knocking on my door rather government officials. And a dad with no job. Seriously dude think this through. Think of the environmental impacts of running a bunch of inefficient cheap machines just because you think you can.
Edit: Google search and back in March. Tells all. It's amazing isn't it lol
Also electricity is a factor. I'd rather a pissed off landlord who bundles their electricity knocking on my door rather government officials. And a dad with no job. Seriously dude think this through. Think of the environmental impacts of running a bunch of inefficient cheap machines just because you think you can.
Edit: Google search and back in March. Tells all. It's amazing isn't it lol
Pending escrow
OK thanks. I'm still in research phase. PMing
I have 8 new and tested KNC Neptunes for sale.
$680 each shipped within USA
$680 each shipped within USA
I'm new to mining so excuse if this sounds like a dumb question. These are the ones at 3TH/SS operating at .57 W / GH/s?
Also, this is only for the miner not PSU?