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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 18/10/2013, 05:16:01 UTC
Why two power supplies?  How are 3 modules connected to two power supplies?  Are they producing redundancy?  If so how is that achieved? Is each power supply connected to each board (would imply two power connections pwe board)?  Wouldn't one large power supply be sufficient, cheaper, and take up less space?

For our mining rigs we have chosen to specify power supplies that are rated 20% higher than the highest wattage we expect even including significant overclocking. The GN chip uses 250W at nominal, and we have designed all the systems to handle upto 350W. When the mini motherboard is supplying 350W to the chip (this level of overclock should result in up to 540GH/s) the mini motherboard may consume up to 411W of 12v, due to losses in the VRM. Add 25W for fans, and you get to 436W per mini-motherboard. Multiply by 3 chips in the Sierra, and you get about 1300W. We've added a safety margin of 20% extra on top of this - so we needed power supplies that were rated to a minimum of 1560W @ 12v to meet these specifications, and maintain the headroom and margin we desired to ensure reliable, efficient long term operation.

There are very few manufacturers who make single 1600W supplies, and we didn't find a single unit from a high quality vendor. In addition this size of supply is more expensive than 2 smaller supplies. The Sea Sonic supplies are really well built, and even significantly overbuilt. In all tests they are capable of supplying power well above their ratings, and the output regulation is very accurate and smooth. They handle hot operating environments very well. Please go read the reviews of the supplies in the Sierra - the Sea Sonic X-850FM3.

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/04/04/seasonic_xseries_x850_power_supply_review/9#.UmDCKVCcc5g
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/seasonic-x-series-850w-km3-power-supply-review/7/

Each GN chip is on it's own mini-motherboard, and each mini-motherboard has 2 separate 6 pin PCI-E power connectors. Each of the supplies feeds 3 of these connectors.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 23/09/2013, 05:11:59 UTC
The tallest board components are two conventional air cooled heatsinks on the FETs that form part of the power supply. I don't have the height to hand - I will get back to you. Here is a rendering of a draft of the module boards, installed in a Sierra. Note - this design is not final, and is subject to change.
thanks for the indepth info, Simon.
beautiful design so far, cant wait for the final design.

Anyway, on the design im working on, i need the height (approx is fine) of the two conventional heatsinks you mention, let me know when you have them?

ttt

Datasheet says 38.35mm and the fets are 0.7mm nominal

Main aim was to get the down stream one a good distance above the water pump.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 23/09/2013, 05:10:05 UTC
For the next 3 days, prices have been slashed on Baby Jet’s and Sierra’s. Now is the time to invest in additional rigs. Sale ends Monday at 11:59PM PST!

For those who already ordered a first batch Baby Jet, would it be possible to trade it for a Sierra on sale? How much extra would that cost for the device (beyond the $400 difference) and shipping?

Contact sales@hashfast.com, they should be able to help you.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 23/09/2013, 05:09:10 UTC
As someone that's ordered a batch 1 babyjet, this price drop seems like a huge blow to initial customers that believed in Hashfast.  The Sierra is offering 3x the hashrate for almost the same price.  I know there is going to be the MPP, but at this point, one can just get 3x the hashrate only a month later than the first batch.

We are preparing a special promotion just for batch 1 baby jet purchasers. Coming soon.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 23/09/2013, 05:07:58 UTC
Will chip be available for developers?

Yes - chips will be available for developers. Please contact sales@hashfast.com for more info until we get them on the website.
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
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Simon Barber
on 23/09/2013, 05:06:51 UTC
For those that haven't heard: There's a Flash Sale on HashFast Batch 2 units, estimated delivery Dec. 1 for Express delivery.

That sounds unfair for those who ordered on the 9th of October at the full price for a Sierra unit in the second batch...

Do we get some kind of compensation?

And I also think that is pretty unfair for those with a babyjet batch 1 customers. By the same price we purchased a babyjet you can buy now a sierra with 3 times more hashing power and just 1 month delay of shipping, which I think that in the end will be less time. I really think that HF should take care more about this first batch customers and the people who already bought a sierra without a discount that got enough reasons to be angry, than for selling more and more units.

I still don't know what they are going to do when a customer gets his unit shipped 1 week later than previous customers in the order queue for example and has the right to apply the MPP because he hasn't reach the ROI by a few BTC and the previous customers don't get the chips. Or if you have and international delivery and it takes 15-20 days to arrive what happens then ? Do they count as mining days ?



Look forward to a special promotion just for those first batch customers. Launching soon.
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
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Simon Barber
on 23/09/2013, 05:05:30 UTC
Also, the description claims a back mounted radiator but the render shows them as front mounted (drenching the modules in hot air).  Any clarification from Hashfast as to why the render doesn't match the description, or more importantly, which orientation is the intended design?

Not speaking for hashfast but for rackmount servers airflow always has to be front to back without exception.  A datacenter is going to use hot and cold aisles and they aren't going to reverse the flow on an entire row of racks (up to 400 servers) to accommodate a special request.

So either HF would need to put the modules up front or the airflow will be radiator first.  My guess is they have no choice but to have radiator up front because 2U is only 3.5" high that probably means the radiator is no more than ~3" tall.   A 19" case is ~17.5 wide but putting it in the back means losing 4" of width to the PSU.  Not sure a 13" by 3" radiator is up to the task of dumping 750W. 

Still your right the photo seems to directly contradict the description.

The airflow is front to back - the push/pull fan configuration moves so much air that the temps in the box are kept reasonable. The coldest air hits the rad first, which is where it's needed to keep the chip temperature low. Also it's not possible to put the rad at the back of the box, since the PSU has to go along the side and reach the back - would mean a narrower rad, with lower capacity.
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Re: Black Arrow announces 28nm 64Ghash Bitcoin ASIC @ $1.99/Ghash
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Simon Barber
on 22/09/2013, 06:34:05 UTC
Chips and systems out at end of Feb 2014 - that means tape out sometime in December 2013, which means you've only just, or have not yet started physical design. Without being well into the physical design stage how do you know what your power or performance numbers are going to be with any confidence?
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
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Simon Barber
on 20/09/2013, 05:33:00 UTC
What are the die size, package type, core voltage, transistor count, operating frequency, and projected TDP of the chip?  

The package is a BGA, containing a multi chip module. There are 4 dies, each 9mm x 9mm, spaced out by 5mm. The core voltage and frequency vary according to the cooling available to the chip. The chip contains a temperature sensor on die, and increases or decreases the operating voltage and frequency to maintain a target operating temperature at the die. The allows the maximum possible performance to be achieved, given the cooling that is available. In a colder environment the chip will operate at a slightly higher voltage and frequency, and return a higher hash rate than in a warm environment. Simulation runs show that the best silicon will have a TDP of 250W when operating at the name plate (nominal) 400GH/s. Worst case silicon will consume a few % more power to reach this nominal 400GH/s. Note - simulation results can be out by +/- 20%, although they typically come in high (expect lower numbers in real silicon).
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 19/09/2013, 17:22:59 UTC
Can you provide the dimensions of the package (important as I am looking into immersion cooling so critical heat flux is important)?
Overall, our chip most closely resembles a modern "hot CPU" design (Intel Sandy Bridge E, AMD FX-9, SPARC T4, etc.). The package is a BGA, 45mm x 45mm external dimensions. The total die area is approximately 324mm^2. The die is split in 4 - i.e. under the metal lid there are 4 dies in a square arrangement, each approx 9mm x 9mm with 5mm gap in between each one (for better heat dissipation and spreading).

One highly relevant feature regarding power use is that the GN chip incorporates on-die temperature sensors and a control system designed to adjust voltage and clock speed to the capacity of the cooling system.  Thus if the cooling system can dissipate a greater amount of heat, the software can "overclock" the chip to fit it's power usage to the heat dissipation capacity, and produce greater hashing capacity.

Similarly, the chip will "underclock" itself in response to external circumstances that reduce the available heat dissipation capacity (say, a very hot day, a failure in the cooling system, a blocked air vent...).  The overall design intent is for the chip to always operate at the maximum possible hashrate dictated by the circumstances.

Finally, one recent piece of news is that we have received results for the stage-III thermal test (full physical prototype) from our cooling system partner.  Stage III tests involve the creation of a full and complete prototype of the system, including the same case, fans and cooling system that will be used in the Baby Jet as shipped.   The only difference is that the chip is substituted by a variable-output heating element with the same form factor as chip. The test consists of running the Baby Jet as if in production, and increasing the wattage produced by the heating element while monitoring temperatures.

Can you clarify that the nominal wattage of the chip itself is ~250W and the wattage of the system at the wall is ~350W?  Both numbers have been used but it isn't exactly clear what they represent.
At the nominal operating point (400Gh/s) the best silicon will consume ~250W according to our simulations. There is some variation in silicon however, so some silicon will consume a few % more. This power level is at the chip only. The system has 2 power conversion stages between the wall plug and the chip - first an ATX power supply that outputs 12v. This supply is about 88% efficient. Then there is a second supply stage on the module board the chip is mounted on. This second supply stage converts the 12v down to approximately 0.7-0.8v that the chip runs at. The combination of the losses in both PSU stages and the additional consumption from the pump, fans, controller etc account for the difference between the 250W at the chip and about 350W at the wall.

Can you provide the dimensions of the ASIC board?  Estimate is fine.  Can you also provide an estimate of the height of the tallest board component (excluding waterblock)?
The module board is ~4" wide and approx 10" long (may end up a little longer, up to 12" - we are still configuring the power connectors). Here is a draft layout - note this is not final and is subject to change. Dimensions in mm.

https://hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/draft-layout.gif

The tallest board components are two conventional air cooled heatsinks on the FETs that form part of the power supply. I don't have the height to hand - I will get back to you. Here is a rendering of a draft of the module boards, installed in a Sierra. Note - this design is not final, and is subject to change.

https://hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ISO-RENDERING-1.jpg

Can the controller handle more than 1 hashing board?  If so is there an upper limit?  4 boards? 10 boards? 50 boards? 
Yes - the controller (which is a raspberry pi) should be able to control many boards. We have not analysed how many. Our chip has been designed with a particularly advanced internal interface, and supports variable difficulty levels and n-time rolling on chip. This massively reduces the traffic from the controller to the chip, keeping the CPU requirements on the controller very low. The interface supports daisy chaining up to 63 chips to a single serial port on the controller. The traffic levels and limits will depend on the difficulty levels the chip is configured to run at, and the use of n-time rolling.

Will you consider selling just ASIC boards instead of complete systems?
Yes - we plan to add complete module boards to our website shortly. These can be directly controlled via either a serial port, or USB. We will be open sourcing the drivers in CGMiner.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 21/08/2013, 02:53:09 UTC
Will there be a safety mechanism that shuts off the system if the chip gets too hot?

There is a temperature sensor on the chip, and as long as the open source software has not been incorrectly modified, it will limit the temperature. In fact the software will automatically hash at the fastest possible speed, limited only by temperature. If you deliver better cooling, or colder air, it will go faster.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 21/08/2013, 02:49:16 UTC
Thanks for the details Simon.

If the chip is rated for 5years at 500GH, why is the warranty only 10 to 30 days?


Because with open source software, and overclocking we don't know what people will try and push these things to do.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 21/08/2013, 02:37:05 UTC
OK, so two questions:

1) https://hashfast.com/shop/babyjet/ states 350W power draw (+/- 20%), but the chip only consumes 250W?  100W for cooling/misc?

2) An overclocked Sandy Bridge-E doesn't "run" at 350W, for example check this (pic below). The 349W here is System Peak Power, a very different metric (system vs CPU and peak vs sustained).

Subtracting the system idle power (85W@4.7GHz), even at peak usage it would run at 264W (and it would die from electromigration if run like this 24/7), so 264/425 = 0.621W/mm^2, still 20% below 0.77W/mm^2.

Edit: Let's not forget that a Sandy Bridge-E uses a high quality heatspreader (IHS) with fluxless solder, so the actual contact area with the cooler is much bigger than the die size, reducing the W/mm^2 requirements by a large amount.

350W is a rounded up number for the whole system, including the power lost in the 2 stages of power supply, and fans etc. The chip itself draws 250W @ nominal.

Depends on how hard you cool and overclock your Sandy Bridge E. The company that is assembling our systems specializes in overclocking. They run Sandy Bridge Es overclocked to 350W (CPU power alone, not whole system), using the same cooling system we are using. We are also using a heatspreader.

Metal migration is a well understood phenomenon. We have followed all the fab's rulesets for electromigration so that the current levels we're going to see will not be a problem (even current distribution, and thicker metal layers). Currently in the simulator for EM our chip passes the test for a 5 year lifetime, but fails the 11 year test - and that is running somewhat overclocked, at about 540GH/s.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 21/08/2013, 00:49:11 UTC
Interesting so, KnC is a 250/900 = 0.28 W/mm^2 chip and HashFast is a 350/324 = 1.08 W/mm^2 chip, requiring a cooling solution that can transfer 5.6x the heat per mm^2. I really hope your cooling solution holds up 24/7!

Out of comparison, an ATI 7970 is a 250/365 = 0.68 W/mm^2 chip  and an nVidia GTX Titan is 250/561 = 0.45 W/mm^2 chip.

Hashfast's chip at nominal (400GH/s) is expected to consume about 250W of power, not 350W. i.e. 0.77W/mm^2. Overclocked Sandy Bridge E in shipping commercial products with the same cooling system runs 350W with a 425mm^2 die, 0.82W/mm^2.
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Re: It's -on-!
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Simon Barber
on 18/08/2013, 05:16:14 UTC
What actually happens in a "mock tapeout"? Do they just check for problems or something?
Exactly that - they require a 'mock tapeout' before the real thing in order to check for simple mistakes. Things like that the metalization layers for the macros we have included (e.g. licensed temperature sensor) match up with the rest of the chip, and with what's on our order.
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
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Simon Barber
on 11/08/2013, 19:19:44 UTC
The Baby Jet will support standalone mining via an Ethernet connection, and upgrade to WiFi via a USB WiFi card.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 11/08/2013, 02:59:18 UTC
Has Hashfast told us what stage they are in design/production? I find it very difficult to believe that they can go from 0 to full miner by October 20th - 30th.

The original design work on this chip started in 2011. The architecture work started then. The current version of the RTL code started in May 2013. The team have been working non stop 18 hour days, 7 days a week since then. We understand the importance of schedule. The chip design is almost complete. We're starting sales now because we're at the point where we the calendar of remaining items is fairly fixed, and we're confident we can deliver.

Simon
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
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Simon Barber
on 11/08/2013, 02:02:01 UTC
If you really want to do it right you should provide customer protection by providing refunds based on missed opportunity cost.

For example:

  • HashFast promises to ship on October 30.
  • Customer paid ~60 BTC for a pre-oder unit.
  • Customer registers a refund BTC address at the hashfast.com site.
  • For every day HashFast misses their target shipping date, a partial automatic refund will be made based on what a 400 GH/s unit would have mined at the difficulty at that date.
  • This would continue until either the refund is complete or the unit is delivered.

This would:

  • Prevent a BFL-type pitchfork scenario and alleviate worries that HashFast might be hashing with customer hardware at customers expense.
  • Give customers peace of mind; At worst they would have provided a free BTC loan to HashFast. At best they get a unit that has already started making some ROI before delivery.
  • Provide a strong incentive for HashFast to deliver on time.

We are working on finalizing a guarantee program for purchasers that will provide some good coverage in case of late delivery, the text is being perfected now, and we will be publishing it in the next few days. It will be offered free to all existing purchasers.
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
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Simon Barber
on 10/08/2013, 06:08:08 UTC
Now since the only payment option is in BTC Will I get the same ammount of BTC back should you fail to deliver by December 31st?

Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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Simon Barber
on 10/08/2013, 06:00:45 UTC
And again, have you also outsourced your production and shipping logistics?  This is where both Avalon and BFL have failed. It's very critical information for determining whether or not to purchase.

Yes - production and fulfillment are outsourced - design partly in house and partly outsourced. These days there are many professional companies who specialize in these areas, ISO9001 certified, etc. No need to keep these in house.