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Danny is on reddit on his main account and alt account, mocking the people he scammed and making fun of the man who committed suicide over his actions. It is pretty cringeworthy and shameful.
Recently? Could you post the link?I think King is talking about this post http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dbn57/whats_mark_karpeles_doing_today_whats_danny/. Not sure though
Yes that is it, him and his 'friend' are apparently proud about their scam.
I was hoping for a btc hotspot in Cyprus (with the Uni and all) but ...
Danny is on reddit on his main account and alt account, mocking the people he scammed and making fun of the man who committed suicide over his actions. It is pretty cringeworthy and shameful.
Recently? Could you post the link?I think King is talking about this post http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dbn57/whats_mark_karpeles_doing_today_whats_danny/. Not sure though
What happens now to Neo & Bee, legally? I understand that, in some jurisdictions, the creditors can start the legal liquidation of the company and the distribution of its assets, even if the CEO is in Shangri-La and the employees have all quit their jobs. Is that happening in Cyprus?
Not sure about Cyprus, but here the creditors can apply for court-ordered liquidation as long as there is both legal (balance sheet) insolvency as well as commercial insolvency.
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Investors are people who buy equity in a company.
Creditors are people who loan money or goods to a company and thus create liabilities for the company.
Creditors expect and have a legal right to be paid what they loan, including interest.
Investors have no guarantee they will ever see their money again.
When a company is liquidated, creditors have priority over investors in sharing in the proceeds.
Creditors are people who loan money or goods to a company and thus create liabilities for the company.
Creditors expect and have a legal right to be paid what they loan, including interest.
Investors have no guarantee they will ever see their money again.
When a company is liquidated, creditors have priority over investors in sharing in the proceeds.
Just in case anyone was wondering
Ah yes - Jorge and I were talking about creditors forcing their hand, not investors:) I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of creditors left (not least of which are employees who are owed salaries who, in most places, become preferred creditors in the wake of insolvency) who have a marked interest in forcing this matter and possibly, maybe, creating some residue for the bag-holders.
Its 100% clear that you guys are referring to creditors. I just made the distinction clear to our novice friends (like me) and also the point that if you are an investor you take the risk (which in my book is both correct and fair).
On the NEO front though, the interesting thing now is how many creditors have moved forward (to ask their money). I for sure hope that the staff at least did.
What happens now to Neo & Bee, legally? I understand that, in some jurisdictions, the creditors can start the legal liquidation of the company and the distribution of its assets, even if the CEO is in Shangri-La and the employees have all quit their jobs. Is that happening in Cyprus?
Not sure about Cyprus, but here the creditors can apply for court-ordered liquidation as long as there is both legal (balance sheet) insolvency as well as commercial insolvency.
Quote
Investors are people who buy equity in a company.
Creditors are people who loan money or goods to a company and thus create liabilities for the company.
Creditors expect and have a legal right to be paid what they loan, including interest.
Investors have no guarantee they will ever see their money again.
When a company is liquidated, creditors have priority over investors in sharing in the proceeds.
Creditors are people who loan money or goods to a company and thus create liabilities for the company.
Creditors expect and have a legal right to be paid what they loan, including interest.
Investors have no guarantee they will ever see their money again.
When a company is liquidated, creditors have priority over investors in sharing in the proceeds.
Just in case anyone was wondering
I was one of the very early supporters of Danny and Neo Bee.
Even though I was very angry at Danny when I learned what he did (by talking to some of his employees), and I might have even written a nasty post in my anger during the first couple of days (I cannot recall and I do not even want to go back and check) I decided to remain silent for several days in order to calm down, and think rationally about the Neo Bee events so as to come to some conclusion.
I do not believe that the whole thing started as a scam, fraud etc.
I believe Danny was honest and invested a lot of money in Cyprus. He would not have invested so much money and, according to reliable sources, even pay 35K for the tax of his car a couple of days before he disappeared + prepay a full year's rents for his Nicosia house in which he moved in in 1-2 months ago.
Something else must have happened that we do not know such as:
1. He did lose coins in Mt.Cox and Bitfunder and kept it a secret.
2. For whatever reason he got involved with the underworld and when they realized that he was a holder of a lot of bitcoins he received threats.
3. He decided overnight that he'll cut his losses/investments.
4. Mismanagement of funds due to inexperience, sudden loss of coins for whatever reason, panicking and running away.
I am 100% sure that he initially was very honest and didn't have the intention to run away with people's money and coins.
Since the last press reports on April 3rd, the Neo Bee issue has never been raised again by any one in Cyprus and people have already forgotten it. It has not been mentioned a single time any where in the media, press or wherever. The reason for this is because no one from the public has lost any money. It was very wise and very responsible from Danny and/or his managers not to open the branch for business and not do any transactions with the public until everything was 100% safe. I credit them for this.
The only people that have been left with a pain, and some of them lost a lot of money, are his unpaid employees and creditors including PVS.
The honest thing for him to do is to pay his outstanding debts to his employees and his creditors and I am sure that he and his family, and we, can put this behind us and carry on with our lives.
Danny if you are reading me I am sure you will understand and appreciate what I am saying. I apologise for not responding to your messages but I saw them AFTER you disappeared. I was never a sophisticated user of the forum and didn't notice them.
As for his shareholders, including myself who bought some shares at Havelock for a couple of thousand $s, well guys I am very sorry about our losses but at the end of the day we invested in a BTC start-up. 95% of start ups in such a new and risky area fail. Yes it is painful, we lost money, but we must try to forget it and carry on with our lives as well. If we all stay in bitcoin, a bright future with handsome dividends awaits all of us.
All the best.
Skoutz, since you currently live in Cyprus (please correct me if I am wrong ), I would like to ask you; how has this affected the view of BTC in the public there (average Cypriot)? Do they see BTC as a scum infested useless form of money or do they realize that this is nothing more one failed business and still see the merits of this new technology? Even though I was very angry at Danny when I learned what he did (by talking to some of his employees), and I might have even written a nasty post in my anger during the first couple of days (I cannot recall and I do not even want to go back and check) I decided to remain silent for several days in order to calm down, and think rationally about the Neo Bee events so as to come to some conclusion.
I do not believe that the whole thing started as a scam, fraud etc.
I believe Danny was honest and invested a lot of money in Cyprus. He would not have invested so much money and, according to reliable sources, even pay 35K for the tax of his car a couple of days before he disappeared + prepay a full year's rents for his Nicosia house in which he moved in in 1-2 months ago.
Something else must have happened that we do not know such as:
1. He did lose coins in Mt.Cox and Bitfunder and kept it a secret.
2. For whatever reason he got involved with the underworld and when they realized that he was a holder of a lot of bitcoins he received threats.
3. He decided overnight that he'll cut his losses/investments.
4. Mismanagement of funds due to inexperience, sudden loss of coins for whatever reason, panicking and running away.
I am 100% sure that he initially was very honest and didn't have the intention to run away with people's money and coins.
Since the last press reports on April 3rd, the Neo Bee issue has never been raised again by any one in Cyprus and people have already forgotten it. It has not been mentioned a single time any where in the media, press or wherever. The reason for this is because no one from the public has lost any money. It was very wise and very responsible from Danny and/or his managers not to open the branch for business and not do any transactions with the public until everything was 100% safe. I credit them for this.
The only people that have been left with a pain, and some of them lost a lot of money, are his unpaid employees and creditors including PVS.
The honest thing for him to do is to pay his outstanding debts to his employees and his creditors and I am sure that he and his family, and we, can put this behind us and carry on with our lives.
Danny if you are reading me I am sure you will understand and appreciate what I am saying. I apologise for not responding to your messages but I saw them AFTER you disappeared. I was never a sophisticated user of the forum and didn't notice them.
As for his shareholders, including myself who bought some shares at Havelock for a couple of thousand $s, well guys I am very sorry about our losses but at the end of the day we invested in a BTC start-up. 95% of start ups in such a new and risky area fail. Yes it is painful, we lost money, but we must try to forget it and carry on with our lives as well. If we all stay in bitcoin, a bright future with handsome dividends awaits all of us.
All the best.
I am asking because I am originated from Cyprus (therefore I am really interested in the place) and I think that this was/is an opportunity to lead the way in something good (with the uni involvement, the financial services background and all).
So I guess the final question is; is BTC a joke in Cyprus now or not?
BR
Stelios
p.s. I fully agree with the views you posted above, I also was one of the very early supporters of Danny and Neo Bee and I do not think this was a scum from the beginning (and I did not loose so much to be in denial ;p). What annoys me the most though, is that Danny disappeared (Dikeonontas olous aftous pou emeis legame trols) without giving any information on what happened!!! If you (through personal contact) have any additional information I would like to ask you to share it with the group. I think everybody here (initial supporter or not) has the right to find out what happen + It would make a really interesting thread heh.
Hi Stelios
The Neo Bee saga has made some damage to BTC and the ignorant people confuse BTC with Neo Bee.
However, in view of the good work done by the University of Nicosia, I believe the BTC name will be restored in the near future.
There are various rumors as to the kind of criminal offences charged by the police but it is more gossip than actual facts. I guess in the next couple of days more information might be brought to light.
Apart from the news last night about the arrest warrant people do not actually talk about it, it is more or less forgotten because the "public" has not been involved and the masses did not lose any money or BTC.
I still believe that this was not a scam from the beginning but the way Danny handled the whole issue it developed into criminal.
Thanks for the info skoutz,
Please let us know if anything new regardibg btc happens in Cyprus (Neo related or not ).
Cheers
Stelios
None has forgotten anyone here.
Danny Brewster is officially a wanted man in Cyprus for theft, forgery and False pretenses. 3 Cypriots claiming they lost 90k euro
When Danny actual location is track European Arrest Warrant will be issued
Police have info his either in the UK or Dubai
http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/04/11/cyprus-police-issue-arrest-warrant-for-bitcoin-entrepreneur/
http://www.sigmalive.com/news/local/117372
http://www.livenews.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?-A=44542&-V=news
Thanks for the info thekekk. I hope skroutz also has some additional info!Danny Brewster is officially a wanted man in Cyprus for theft, forgery and False pretenses. 3 Cypriots claiming they lost 90k euro
When Danny actual location is track European Arrest Warrant will be issued
Police have info his either in the UK or Dubai
http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/04/11/cyprus-police-issue-arrest-warrant-for-bitcoin-entrepreneur/
http://www.sigmalive.com/news/local/117372
http://www.livenews.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?-A=44542&-V=news
SK
p.s. so in seems that this also played over TV @ mega
I was one of the very early supporters of Danny and Neo Bee.
Even though I was very angry at Danny when I learned what he did (by talking to some of his employees), and I might have even written a nasty post in my anger during the first couple of days (I cannot recall and I do not even want to go back and check) I decided to remain silent for several days in order to calm down, and think rationally about the Neo Bee events so as to come to some conclusion.
I do not believe that the whole thing started as a scam, fraud etc.
I believe Danny was honest and invested a lot of money in Cyprus. He would not have invested so much money and, according to reliable sources, even pay 35K for the tax of his car a couple of days before he disappeared + prepay a full year's rents for his Nicosia house in which he moved in in 1-2 months ago.
Something else must have happened that we do not know such as:
1. He did lose coins in Mt.Cox and Bitfunder and kept it a secret.
2. For whatever reason he got involved with the underworld and when they realized that he was a holder of a lot of bitcoins he received threats.
3. He decided overnight that he'll cut his losses/investments.
4. Mismanagement of funds due to inexperience, sudden loss of coins for whatever reason, panicking and running away.
I am 100% sure that he initially was very honest and didn't have the intention to run away with people's money and coins.
Since the last press reports on April 3rd, the Neo Bee issue has never been raised again by any one in Cyprus and people have already forgotten it. It has not been mentioned a single time any where in the media, press or wherever. The reason for this is because no one from the public has lost any money. It was very wise and very responsible from Danny and/or his managers not to open the branch for business and not do any transactions with the public until everything was 100% safe. I credit them for this.
The only people that have been left with a pain, and some of them lost a lot of money, are his unpaid employees and creditors including PVS.
The honest thing for him to do is to pay his outstanding debts to his employees and his creditors and I am sure that he and his family, and we, can put this behind us and carry on with our lives.
Danny if you are reading me I am sure you will understand and appreciate what I am saying. I apologise for not responding to your messages but I saw them AFTER you disappeared. I was never a sophisticated user of the forum and didn't notice them.
As for his shareholders, including myself who bought some shares at Havelock for a couple of thousand $s, well guys I am very sorry about our losses but at the end of the day we invested in a BTC start-up. 95% of start ups in such a new and risky area fail. Yes it is painful, we lost money, but we must try to forget it and carry on with our lives as well. If we all stay in bitcoin, a bright future with handsome dividends awaits all of us.
All the best.
Skoutz, since you currently live in Cyprus (please correct me if I am wrong ), I would like to ask you; how has this affected the view of BTC in the public there (average Cypriot)? Do they see BTC as a scum infested useless form of money or do they realize that this is nothing more one failed business and still see the merits of this new technology? Even though I was very angry at Danny when I learned what he did (by talking to some of his employees), and I might have even written a nasty post in my anger during the first couple of days (I cannot recall and I do not even want to go back and check) I decided to remain silent for several days in order to calm down, and think rationally about the Neo Bee events so as to come to some conclusion.
I do not believe that the whole thing started as a scam, fraud etc.
I believe Danny was honest and invested a lot of money in Cyprus. He would not have invested so much money and, according to reliable sources, even pay 35K for the tax of his car a couple of days before he disappeared + prepay a full year's rents for his Nicosia house in which he moved in in 1-2 months ago.
Something else must have happened that we do not know such as:
1. He did lose coins in Mt.Cox and Bitfunder and kept it a secret.
2. For whatever reason he got involved with the underworld and when they realized that he was a holder of a lot of bitcoins he received threats.
3. He decided overnight that he'll cut his losses/investments.
4. Mismanagement of funds due to inexperience, sudden loss of coins for whatever reason, panicking and running away.
I am 100% sure that he initially was very honest and didn't have the intention to run away with people's money and coins.
Since the last press reports on April 3rd, the Neo Bee issue has never been raised again by any one in Cyprus and people have already forgotten it. It has not been mentioned a single time any where in the media, press or wherever. The reason for this is because no one from the public has lost any money. It was very wise and very responsible from Danny and/or his managers not to open the branch for business and not do any transactions with the public until everything was 100% safe. I credit them for this.
The only people that have been left with a pain, and some of them lost a lot of money, are his unpaid employees and creditors including PVS.
The honest thing for him to do is to pay his outstanding debts to his employees and his creditors and I am sure that he and his family, and we, can put this behind us and carry on with our lives.
Danny if you are reading me I am sure you will understand and appreciate what I am saying. I apologise for not responding to your messages but I saw them AFTER you disappeared. I was never a sophisticated user of the forum and didn't notice them.
As for his shareholders, including myself who bought some shares at Havelock for a couple of thousand $s, well guys I am very sorry about our losses but at the end of the day we invested in a BTC start-up. 95% of start ups in such a new and risky area fail. Yes it is painful, we lost money, but we must try to forget it and carry on with our lives as well. If we all stay in bitcoin, a bright future with handsome dividends awaits all of us.
All the best.
I am asking because I am originated from Cyprus (therefore I am really interested in the place) and I think that this was/is an opportunity to lead the way in something good (with the uni involvement, the financial services background and all).
So I guess the final question is; is BTC a joke in Cyprus now or not?
BR
Stelios
p.s. I fully agree with the views you posted above, I also was one of the very early supporters of Danny and Neo Bee and I do not think this was a scum from the beginning (and I did not loose so much to be in denial ;p). What annoys me the most though, is that Danny disappeared (Dikeonontas olous aftous pou emeis legame trols) without giving any information on what happened!!! If you (through personal contact) have any additional information I would like to ask you to share it with the group. I think everybody here (initial supporter or not) has the right to find out what happen + It would make a really interesting thread heh.
Tuur Demeester
@tuurdemeester
@chilin_dude I've refrained from comment so as not to endanger salvage possibilities. News should come out soon, then I'll comment too.
https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/454236929194995712
Any news from A. Antonopoulos as well?
someone apparenty sold 10k shares at 1 satoshi
Sorry I don't mean to be a prick here but....
To those of you who have lost due to Neo and Danny's scheme:
. <--- this was your a$$hole before
O <--- this is your a$$hole now.
If he files for bankruptcy you are screwed!
I live in Cyprus and I know how things work.
He probably had a lawyer schooling him in the first place.
True story!
EDIT: If you can find out who his lawyer is, my guess is that, that's where 1/3 of your money went....
+1 . Well unfortunately that is because I like the Cyprus-btc idea To those of you who have lost due to Neo and Danny's scheme:
. <--- this was your a$$hole before
O <--- this is your a$$hole now.
If he files for bankruptcy you are screwed!
I live in Cyprus and I know how things work.
He probably had a lawyer schooling him in the first place.
True story!
EDIT: If you can find out who his lawyer is, my guess is that, that's where 1/3 of your money went....
@NotLambchop can you even read?
"I HAVE NOT MOVE FROM CYPRUS"
"I HAVE NOT MOVE FROM CYPRUS"
You claimed that he was in Cyprus, in daily contact with his lawyers. He has stated that he was not in Cyprus.
One of you is lying.
Which one?
Yes he cannot go for trip? (block passport)
Yes he cannot call he lawyers (block phone number)
Tell us more about the fleeing with his family
I have time for entertainment
Yes, he can go on a trip and leave Cyprus. That requires leaving Cyprus. Not being in Cyprus. Not being in two places at once.
Like talking to a frickin' banana
Guys, you missing the point:
Its one thing Leaving Cyprus (say for a week)
and a completely different thing moving out of Cyprus (say forever).
Can we start discussing as grownups know?
EDIT: Stelios is a Greek name.... Do you not speak Greek?
Yeap, I am actually a Cypriot
. Currently living in Zurich though. SK
p.s. Looking forward for summer time though and Protaras, Limassol and Pafos vacations (1 week each
). If you are around we can go for a beer.p.p.s I also hope to by a cold KEO from SO-EASY with BTCs
. Whenever your back just let me know
We can go out for a beer or clubbing
My brother is one of the most known DJ's down here
EDIT: TZε εγώ Kυπραίoς είμαι
Respe
, I will give you a PM when I am there EDIT: Stelios is a Greek name.... Do you not speak Greek?
Yeap, I am actually a Cypriot
. Currently living in Zurich though. SK
p.s. Looking forward for summer time though and Protaras, Limassol and Pafos vacations (1 week each
). If you are around we can go for a beer.p.p.s I also hope to by a cold KEO from SO-EASY with BTCs
. Also, shouldn't I ask and confirm that Danny is gone first?
, Also ask if the girl there speaks English (knowing Cyprus I am sure she does) so that everyone here can call and validate what you respond (in case they want to ).BR
SK
p.s. Also is anyone gonna be at Montreal in April?
I am most positive that they do speak English, or at least one person there will
. I was in Montreal 3 weeks ago, at the Ritz, it was awesome
The Ritz (Noted ). If anyone is there though, I am buying the first round of beers . Also, shouldn't I ask and confirm that Danny is gone first?
, Also ask if the girl there speaks English (knowing Cyprus I am sure she does) so that everyone here can call and validate what you respond (in case they want to ).BR
SK
p.s. Also is anyone gonna be at Montreal in April?
Do we have any news from NEO regarding this? I think I missed something
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March 28, 2014
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager of NEOBEE that the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers.
Havelock Investments has halted the NEOBEE fund and is awaiting further instructions from the issuer.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager of NEOBEE that the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers.
Havelock Investments has halted the NEOBEE fund and is awaiting further instructions from the issuer.
Thanks Herp, I've seen this, I was wandering if we have an official statement from NEO not Havelock.
Well the information comes from Neo relayed to us by Havelock. Don't think Neo released any official statement. That might have to wait until Monday.
Oks, Thanks for the info
. p.s. Lets see how this will turn out
Do we have any news from NEO regarding this? I think I missed something
Quote
March 28, 2014
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager of NEOBEE that the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers.
Havelock Investments has halted the NEOBEE fund and is awaiting further instructions from the issuer.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager of NEOBEE that the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers.
Havelock Investments has halted the NEOBEE fund and is awaiting further instructions from the issuer.
Thanks Herp, I've seen this, I was wandering if we have an official statement from NEO not Havelock.