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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 28/07/2014, 03:23:17 UTC
First off, I'm very interested in Storj and will likely at least invest a bit. I'm still not really clear on the technical details and really wish the crowdsale wasn't started until things were a little more clear. Obviously things can change even if they were well defined, so I can live with some ambiguity, especially as you all seem up front about it.

For everyone calling scam, perhaps you should do some research.  Shawn and David, the two guys behind Storj and Maidsafe, are seen hear talking with each other.  They both have stated that their projects should eventually compliment each other...and the dev work for both is already progressing well.  I'm on the Maidsafe side but appreciate what Storj is doing...so do some research before calling scam!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/maidsafe-development/VS7PVXweMsc

Thanks for the link (clickable version), interesting read. I'm assuming the technical aspects are outdated though, or no?

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My team and I have been working on some prototype front end software that allows users to store files on our prototype decentralized network. Storj is able to easily keep track of files on multiple networks, but doesn't handle the core physical storage of the file. That is where MaidSafe can come in. I think with just a bit of Python, can link the MaidSafe software to the prototype front end software. This will provide MaidSafe with its first solid decentralized application running on top of the network, which also could be a nice little demo to show around. It will solves Storj's problems in terms of providing scalable decentralized storage for the prototype.

This wouldn't seem to leave much of anything for Storj to do and I'm not sure why the coin would be necessary, or have value. I'm guessing this is out of date, but I'm still wondering where the data will live.

On a different note, there's an interesting discussion over on Maidsafe.org about the economics of a coin that's linked to the value of storage. In a (badly butchered I'm sure) nutshell, the cost of storage has decreased by about 30% a year -- how does that effect the value of the coin? (Now that I tracked down the link, the OP has added an edit stating he thinks the value will rise, but it's an interesting discussion in any case.)


Hi,

Our current specs can be seen on github.com/Storj.

In regards to your second question I have actually been doing some reports and thinking about the economics behind a commodity/ currency that is based off of digital storage. I have not made my way over to the maidsafe article you pointed out but I will read that as soon as I am done.

It is simpply just a supply and demand idea that is behind most currencies. Let us say that in the early stages of Storj we have a user that joins who is bringing a lot of demand with him/her (might be a video producer or an engineer that has huge files to store on our network) obviously they are willing to pay more and that will drive the price of SJCX up. Now, on the flip side, you have a person that wants to make some decent profit off of Storj and brings massive amount of data but not much use to use it. This increase in storage will bring the price of SJCX down a bit. But again, once Storj grows to the scale we are hoping for, these fluctuations will be quite small because of the amount already there.

And yes you are correct that storage is getting cheaper, but if you look at it from the other side; there is a lot more demand that is coming soon from all the companies and large groups of people that are going to start to store data on the "cloud"

I would love to have a discussion about the economics behind Storj if you would like to email me with questions: derek@storj.io

Great questions!

We really appreciate your thoughts and are glad you are involved.

Cheers
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 27/07/2014, 16:46:40 UTC
Pocketfullofapps interviewed Shawn Wilkinson (super3) while he was in San Fran at Coin Congress. Here is the interview for those that are interested: http://pocketfullofapps.com/2014/07/27/coin-congress-interview-with-shawn-wilkinson-of-storj.html
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 23/07/2014, 17:42:02 UTC
Well designed website, though I still don't understand how it works, how would 'Decentralized Cloud Storage' be possible? I don't think you can use blockchain to transfer files or the size is gonna be huuuuuge... Explanation would be good Smiley
This is correct, you would quickly run into something called blockchain bloat, and well as some terrible legal implication. Instead we can use the blockchain to "point" to a file on the network. This also allows us to support multiple decentralized data networks.

Not sure if this has already been answered, but which blockchain are you planning to use to store your file pointers? Its not the bitcoin blockchain, is it ??
No, in the Storjcoin X blockchain. We may integrate it later on into the Bitcoin blockchain if treechains or sidechains ever become a thing.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 22/07/2014, 16:38:21 UTC
Keep in mind that while the two are connected over the network, any host storing a bit of an illegal file cannot be held liable for the file. There is absolutely no way they can know what is being stored as the data is encrypted before being stored. This way, the only person who can be held liable is the person with the private keys (i.e. the person storing the file).
That seems to me to not be correct. The host expects that the files are encrypted, but has no way of actually knowing that they are. And if someone wants to use the network for cheap bulk distribution of files, they likely will be skipping the encryption.

Does your comment "storing a bit" mean that files are chunked accross multiple hosts, with none having the full file?

The incentive for a host to store data is that there is a recurring fee, though exponentially smaller than a traditional cloud storage provider as one might think. If the network checks a file and something seems to be out of place (as in the host has stopped storing the file), the host stops getting paid for the file.
I didn't see anything about that on the website. Is this an additional fee to the bandwith cost, or is it a slow distribution of the upload fee?

1.) Correct, we shred the entire file and therefore no one other then the uploader has the ability to have the entire file at once.

2.) You will only have to pay for the amount of space you want, the upload speeds will be as fast as your download speed is. The reason behind this is that while one node may have a slow upload speed the others will make up for it, much like the torrent networks, but it will be even faster because our network has no constraints. So no, there will be no additional fees.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 22/07/2014, 07:03:52 UTC
I can't seem to find anywhere on the site about how users connect to file hosters. If users are able to connect directly to hosts without going through intermediaries, that seems like a deal killer to me, as it puts significant risk on the hosts when people inevitably start uploading illegal files.

Also, how do you make it desirable for hosts to keep data? Without any reoccurring storage fees, and with most backup-type storage being written more than read, and with downloading bandwith usually more available for home users, it seems to me that there's more money for hosts to just write people's data to /dev/null instead of actually storing it.
Keep in mind that while the two are connected over the network, any host storing a bit of an illegal file cannot be held liable for the file. There is absolutely no way they can know what is being stored as the data is encrypted before being stored. This way, the only person who can be held liable is the person with the private keys (i.e. the person storing the file).
 
The incentive for a host to store data is that there is a recurring fee, though exponentially smaller than a traditional cloud storage provider as one might think. If the network checks a file and something seems to be out of place (as in the host has stopped storing the file), the host stops getting paid for the file.

Well designed website, though I still don't understand how it works, how would 'Decentralized Cloud Storage' be possible? I don't think you can use blockchain to transfer files or the size is gonna be huuuuuge... Explanation would be good Smiley
yep not clear enough
The blockchain isn't actually storing any of the data from a user; the blockchain is only storing the metadata that points to where the data is being held. This significantly cuts back on blockchain bloat and keeps the size very manageable.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 21:11:40 UTC
We reached 500 BTC so far! Thank you all so much for the continued support. We at Storj are very thankful and appreciative for anybody helping us get closer to our vision. Smiley
As usual, we would be glad to address any questions, concerns, issues, or suggestions.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 14:51:39 UTC
9800 BTC, oh, awesome, good luck man, I will be not in.. Grin

Actually, 10000btc, 200btc has been sold at 15th July.

Did you mean 200BTC have already been invested into this coin ?
There was a small 200 BTC limit pre-crowdsale that was used to cover some of our business expenses up to this point. We reached about ~35 BTC.

15% Developer Pool

Lets simplify

15% is mine

Again, the community has just as much say as the developers in a situation like this; they're being allocated the same amount as the developers. We understand that it may look bad on the surface but rest assured we have provided enough resources to show that we are people with good intentions and experience. Our team members have put their reputations on the line in order to prove the legitimacy of this project.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 14:45:49 UTC
Please tell me specifically, how many BTC is you need?  If it is not 9800.

Otherwise, this is the second SWARM.

We do not have a hard number for how many BTC we need. It is either we reach 9,800 BTC before 30 days is up or the time limit runs out. Of course, the more BTC we get then the more flexibility we will have in future projects and the more opportunities Storj will have. This BTC will go to hiring more people for the Storj team, marketing, and development of new protocols and apps.

When it will be launched?

The crowdsale began on July 18th and will last 30 days. Metadisk, our first app, is currently in beta and can be tested by crowdsale participatants. Once our second app, DriveMiner, is ready for testing, these participants are able to be the first to use it.

It would be very cool to see a working prototype of any of  storage coins. Would be more than happy to give them my BTC  then. Don't really want to accuse anyone of anything, developers might have the best intentions, it just can happen that the idea is technically too hard to realize.
We created a test currency on Counterparty before we actually created SJCX. If you would like a little bit of SJCT, post your CounterWallet address. Also, SJCX will be sent immediately after sending your BTC to our crowdsale address. Our app Metadisk is currently being beta tested and DriveMiner is soon to follow.

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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 04:24:58 UTC
just invested in ipo. how will the distribution of coins occur?
You will receive coins after your BTC transaction has been confirmed. It would be best to give it time but should it take longer than expected, contact us here or on one of our other sites and we will happily help.

do they arrive in counterwallet?
Yes, they'll show up as a new holding of yours to the address you sent BTC from.

9800 BTC, oh, awesome, good luck man, I will be not in.. Grin
We're sorry to hear that! Thank you anyways. Smiley
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 03:54:32 UTC
just invested in ipo. how will the distribution of coins occur?
You will receive coins after your BTC transaction has been confirmed. It would be best to give it time but should it take longer than expected, contact us here or on one of our other sites and we will happily help.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 03:18:58 UTC
9,800 btc?  Shocked you guys are going for a $6m mkt cap, what kind of profit do you think investors are going to see with that kind of start?
We do not intend to get all 9,800 BTC. While immediate profits should not be expected by crowdsale participants, we plan on continually adding new features, protocols, and apps to grow the Storj ecosystem.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 02:48:41 UTC
For everyone calling scam, perhaps you should do some research.  Shawn and David, the two guys behind Storj and Maidsafe, are seen hear talking with each other.  They both have stated that their projects should eventually compliment each other...and the dev work for both is already progressing well.  I'm on the Maidsafe side but appreciate what Storj is doing...so do some research before calling scam!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/maidsafe-development/VS7PVXweMsc
Thank you for the kind words! We definitely plan on integrating with MaidSafe along with many other projects.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 01:56:01 UTC
umm.  wow.  is this the biggest IPO ever?
Nope! Many other similiar projects like MaidSafe have had bigger crowdsales (and rightly so). Keep in mind that we do not intend to reach 9,800 BTC.

No escrow?

We understand that this may cause some users to be apprehensive in contributing to the crowdsale. Our team members have made their identities available in order to put real faces and names to the project.
where is the information of them?
put them on the btt.
Main members can be found at the end of the pitch deck. Seeing as how that's a little dated, we are compiling a list of bios from all current team members; expect it to be posted very soon.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 01:06:23 UTC
I am really interested and looking into sending some dough for the ipo next week. We have till August 18th correct for the ipo? Also any bounties going for translations of the OP and for coin blog posts? Smiley. I would love to promo this coin!

We would love to chat with you about anything you can do for Storj! We will PM you our email.
As for translations, you can visit the Projects and Bounties board on our forums to see where you can help out!
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 01:04:42 UTC
as far as i understand dev wants to sell 70% of all coins for 9,800 BTC (~$6m) on crowdsale, leave 15% for yourself and another 15% for giveaways. you must be a fool if you are going to invest in.
We do not intend to reach 9,800 BTC. The main point of this crowdsale is to cover our costs up to this point along with providing funding for the future. The crowdsale will go to developer salaries (several people are working full time on this project), development of new protocols and applications, and marketing. The community pool and the developer pool are ways for outstanding community members to be rewarded for contributing to the project.

A majority of altcoins released today have premines held completely by the developers. Storj changes this by allocating half of these funds to the community so that we, the developers, do not have all of the say.
1-3% premine is ok. good devs deserve some profits. but 15% is something beyond my understanding.

if we suppose that you collected just 1k BTC then investors get just 1/10 of 70% and the rest goes to dev. heres simple math 70-7+15+15=93.

it means that dev holds 93% of all coins + $600,000 collected in crowdsale. just great LMAO!

plus, you are not a public person who we can trust. you don't even have whitepaper. this is probably scam.

verdict: no, thanks. pass.

If you read the Terms and Conditions, it will show that we (the developers) are not keeping the left over SJCX. That would be pointless as we would have no use for hundreds of thousands of coins.

We are taking most of the leftover coins and actually distributing them into the market for users to farm and get from the work they do. Users will use Driveminer to get these left over coins.

Yes we need funds to operate (all listed in the terms) but we are letting the users have access to the left over coins once the crowdsale is over.

In terms of our identity, those can all be found in the deck and our team members have disclosed their identity and pictures even. All of our emails are available if you would like to contact us directly, along with our phone numbers as well; just let us know if you would like them.

If you head over to the Storj forums or the subreddit, you will see that our head developer, Shawn Wilkinson is currently working on a revised white paper which will be published soon. The older one is available on the forums as well if you are interested but that one is slightly out of date.

Does that clear up some of your confusion?

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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 00:47:39 UTC

As a crowdsale participant, one of the benefits is you will be able to get access to Metadisk (currently in its beta) and then to DriveMiner in the very near future.
 

Will access to Metadisk and DriveMiner betas be available before the end of the IPO, or after?
Metadisk is available at http://node1.storj.io/ (keep in mind that this is a beta so there are some limitations). The arrival of Driveminer should appear in the very near future as our developers are getting close to done with a prototype.

No escrow?

We understand that this may cause some users to be apprehensive in contributing to the crowdsale. Our team members have made their identities available in order to put real faces and names to the project.

Where can i see that?
On our pitch deck, the second to last slide has a short bit on some of our main team members. Seeing as how we have had many team members come on board since the creation of this deck, we are compiling a list of biographies for all current team members.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 21/07/2014, 00:23:49 UTC
if you get 6 million dollars for this shit i will never use my computer again.
We're sorry to hear that you feel that way! We're always open for discussion if you have any concerns or issues to voice. Cheers!
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 20/07/2014, 23:50:22 UTC
How do I invest? Kind of lost here.

Thanks.

http://storj.io/crowdsale.html

It seems that link is not contained within the OP...Wink
It's on the top of our main website, but we've added it to the OP. Apologies for the confusion!
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 20/07/2014, 22:49:03 UTC
i wont be able to join the crowdsale due to financial problems (aegis & cnl) would love to start mining this ealry however to make up for my losses ^^
We are sorry to hear about your situation. Considering the terms of the project, we cannot give access to someone who doesn't participate in the crowdsale because other will expect the same, thereby losing one of the main points of the crowdsale.
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Re: [ANN] Storjcoin X (SJCX) - A Coin for Decentralized Cloud Storage
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Storj
on 20/07/2014, 21:55:14 UTC
Love the name!

I'm a big believer in the importance of product names and their ability to make or break a business - and this has a perfect name: short and descriptive, but yet without actually being a real word (at least not in English, not sure if its from another language). I reckon if Storj can come even close to living up to the promising tech innovations, then it has a great chance of being a hit.
The idea of storj is brilliant though. Th reason I will not use cloud storage for anything but the most mundane of files, is that some company has the damn "key" to my files. Not only that, but hackers could conceivably gain access to them at any time by hacking some general db of the cloud storage company.

I love the idea of "shredding", and then storing the "shreds" all over the network - all accessible only through your privkey. I think that's a brilliant idea that will be well received. Anonymity and decentralization - that's crypto after all. This fits, and could really take off if implemented correctly.

I will be watching this for sure.
Thank you both for the support! We are striving for nothing but the best end product. We will make sure the community is aware of updates on the project as they come up as well.