Ok. Ready when you are.

Hi. I just wanted to point out that I semi-agree with you guys and take no offence. I've seen plenty of clever scams and known figures going rogue as well. I appreciate you looking at the situation from all sides. Things are not always black and white and I like to think that judging by these typed of posts you guys are willing to look at the pros and cons from all perspectives. I can respect that.

I do however stand by my story confidently. I didn't sell it or anything and I'm not going rogue for .13 btc. I think even trying to piece together circumstantial speculative evidence against me would be tough. You'd be trying to piece together a false story, and when that's the case conflicting information on the accusations will always remain prevalent.

Sorry guys, I know everyone in this community everyone loves the drama of a known figure popping but that's not the scenario playing out this time.

Hoping to hear how you want to proceed soon Altcoin4Life. If you've changed your mind and want to keep the account fine. I just ask that you help me direct the old Swing thread to one actually controlled by me, that way I can request a lock on the old on and have a forwarding link in the ANN. I'd strongly prefer not to have my Swing thread locked unless there's a forwarding link. No forwarding link in the ANN is shit tier SEO and and would cause versioning problems in the future. If you don't return the account and wont help me update the ANN I'll be stuck keeping to an un-editable thread.. that would impact a lot more people than just me.

Though It felt like we came to an agreement that time. I am curious what the delay is. I'm still not seeing any emails from Theymos yet so I can safely assume you still have access to MurderousKirk yes?

If it's rep issues you're waiting on I've done all I can on that front. If you want people to remove your negative rep resulting from this situation you will have to deal with them directly, just as I will have to do with MurderousKirk.

The only other thing I can think of is if you're attempting to invest in Swing to profit on the good news of a returned account and current low prices. If that's the case I suggest buying up the sell side and getting it done with. Large sales are uncommon at these rates.

Hi Altcoin4Life,

How / when do you want to proceed?

Thanks.

Hey Altcoin4Life, are you willing to release the whisper logs with marcos012 / MurderousKirk intruder?

I'm curious what that conversation looked like.

Still waiting on the return guys. Will let you all know if / when I get it.

I guess he went to bed. Not seeing anything from him yet. Checked my email and nothing from him or Theymos. No messages either.

He has also not removed the negative rep on this profile, which I don't care about, just pointing out that he said he would after I did and has since responded.

He must have gotten busy and forgot to remove it.

Hi Altcoin4life,

That's great!

When and where can I expect my account info?

Posting since relevant.

Done.

Also I just meant that it'd be at risk if you decided to sell it to recover your losses.

I did not mean to imply you would try to infect my community my apologies.

Once you return the account I will be sure to post positive rep from both SwingDev and MurderousKirk.

Insults aside, the fact that you see a compromised developer account with download links and such being pushed to users of this forum as inconsequential says a lot about you. I don't care about the account this is not why I'm stressed. I'm stressed because I want to be sure the developer account doesn't start passing out infected links in the future.


I wouldn't be very impressed either but I didn't do those things. Somone managed to get my password or recover my account through other means. That's what happened.

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Altcoin4Life, I have no power over other people's rep reports. I probably wont be able to get them to remove the rep on either of our accounts.

I will update my rep to positive on your account, I will give you the little BTC I have, and if I manage to get more BTC I will try to send more your way. I would have like to send half immediately upon return but unfortunately I don't have that much BTC atm.

To be frank at this point I'd be just as happy with you helping me link the old thread to a new one and destroying access to the account. My only concern in this matter is the security risk to my holders. If it was "something so inconsequential as a message board account" as fortify over here says I would have given up long ago.

Also I want to point out that (as explained in the ann) this was due to my misunderstanding and inexperience with using digital signatures to prove account ownership. I thought both were supposed to be blank messages and saw this as a giant security risk.

Whywefight helped me realize my misunderstanding and I promptly provided a signature on the 27th. Also posted in the ANN.

Now if you'll excuse me for a few hours I'm going to bed stressed and irritated about this for the 12th (13th?) day in a row.

Dude.. please.. just end this. Return the account or don't. I've been waking up and going to sleep stressed about my account for almost two weeks now. Stop coming back with more repeat questions just decide and let me know.

You can say yes, you can say no. At this point I just want you to make up your mind and stop stringing me along like a bad date. Every time I start to get hopeful you come back with more delays and questions. I've honestly like 90% given up at this rate.

If these answers are really that important for me to answer over again so you can decide then fine. Here it is again.



Plus.. you know.. you asked me to keep the situation contained to PM's in your very first message to me.


I'm not going to bother digging for a quote on this one. You already know the answer to this. I've stated repeatedly I didn't realize till I made this account. Just check the date of my first post if you want to know.

I've also stated that I do not know how they got the account. I wish I did. Soon as I found out I went and blew my money on new HD's to remove as much lingering malware risk as possible. There were no signs that my machine has been infected. I've been going around adding 2fa to every email and other account possible along with changing passwords and have not found any trail yet. I wish I knew man


I feel I've made this pretty clear but I'll spell it out.

No time frame. Completely at my leisure as I manage to get more BTC. Right now I have 0.1 (Sorry that was an error. I just checked and I have .011 BTC) to trade with. The rest of my portfolio is invested in my altcoin Swing and I'm extremely hesitant to sell on my holders at laughably low prices for an alt with less than 700k coins in circulation to get an account back when I can use this one just as easily. If I'm able to focus on swing and increase its value (which I'm obviously incentivised to do) you will end up with some BTC as thanks.

Though to be frank the longer this drags on and the more you stress me out the less generous and timely I'm starting to feel.

If you provide a unique bitcoin address everyone can see what gets sent your way. You'll end up with somewhere between 0 and 0.1612 BTC (0.16 being what you were owed and more than what you lost) with my reputation being reflected on by the amount and time of payment(s).

I'm not giving you a date so you can tell me I've "defaulted" on my own account or something.

The reality is I'm poor and you're asking me to cover much more than I have free in BTC or am willing to spend buying BTC.

You can take the offer and potentially get something next time my portfolio grows, or keep my account and get no BTC from me ever.

I mean he's correct there is no proof. I don't know how my account was taken all I know is you have it now and hunches as to how it was taken.


How about you try to put together a scam report that makes sense of why I would throw away three years worth of reputation building and the dev position of my own cryptocurrency (technically three if you count swaps, Greed -> Greed Evolved -> Swing) for only 0.13 BTC. Then I might dignify that accusation with a proper response.

And I honestly do apologize if I've been coming off as irritated and stressed at you during this situation. It's the result of me actually being pretty irritated and stressed at trying to get my dev account back for two weeks straight with literally zero word from the admins I've contacted for help and provided all the necessary proof to. Surely you can understand this. I've tried to be as polite and professional as I can muster in this situation.

I offered to work towards helping him cover his loss as I was able to. I actually intented to ask him for a public addy where I could slowly try to cover his loss. I was hoping to try to cover it in full if I was able. Even my community was looking to help in this. I am unable to pay him up front and refusing to return the account unless I do is just greedy.

My offer is still open for now which i feel is generous and fair at this point. Please do not close this thread. A4l still has a chance to change his mind. If he does not within a reasonable amount of time I would like a place to publicly close and end my offer. Admins can lock the other threads If they want.

I'm not looking to have him hang my offer over my head a year from now.

At this point I've accepted the loss and plan to work on building the rep of this account since it seems I won't be able to correct murderouskirk.

Well, Altcoin4Life flat out refused to return the account without payment.

Looks like I'm not getting it back. I'm going to work on moving this thread to a less toxic forum. If you want to encourage him to return it still you guys are pretty equipped to leave him rep and make posts at this point. Shame his greed is getting in the way this badly.

It should be noted than any positive rep this account gains will negatively impact Altcoin4Life's loan business and pressure him into returning the account.

So.. I might do some REP farming.

I'm going to look for a more secure forum to make our thread in.

Wow.. that's a shame Altcoin4life.

I'm going to update my rep review to negative since you are refusing to return it unless I buy from you. If you return the account I'll update it.

Here's some posts from community members showing support. Thanks guys! You're awesome. 

Thank you The Pharmacist  I appreciate the support.

Hello,

This will be my last post in this thread. If you want to follow the story of MurderousKirk and Altcoin4Life you can do so here.

I do not believe Altcoin4Life had any malicious intent and this event should not affect his reputation for giving credible loans.

I do think he has already learned to be more cautious with what accounts he accepts as collateral. He will probably be much more strict about enforcing proper digital signatures in the future.

I apologize for cluttering this thread with the resulting drama. This was the result of significant frustration / stress and was unprofessional of me.

Have a nice day.

I'd prefer to keep things public at this point.

I've made this thread to consolidate his 3 into 1 place and have a clean post to include as reference in rep reports.

If Altcoin4Life is willing to continue discussions he can post here. If not so be it.


I'd also like to point out that being careless on his end doesn't transfer his lost btc to my debt. I'm only trying to recover what I've lost.

Like I said, I intend to tip him as I can if the account is recovered by his kindness. I do not intend to buy it from him in order to have it returned. A: I can't afford it B: I feel this is not right. I believe this is fair and if he refuses and wants to keep my account that's his choice.


Side note. It's a shame how little faith everyone has in the account recovery of this forum. I've heard this over and over even before my account got stolen. I'd love to see Theymos start proving everyone wrong. To be frank I find it a bit ridiculous that tracking down the new account holder and paying him off is the most likely method of account recovery on a respectable money forum.

I believe there was warning rep on the account and users warned him before he made the loan. He said he didn't see the rep on the account. I think it was added shortly before he sent the loan. He did however see users making warning posts in his threads.

I guess I should also point out it was only a period of 14 days that I was inactive on bitcointalk. I was however active in my slack group.


So that would be Altcoin4Life at this point in time. He is the only one with access.