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Re: BANK RUN! - P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange
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on 19/02/2014, 16:54:09 UTC

Thanks waxwing,

It is very odd that it was posted that way, maybe it was my drag and paste acting up again?

The posts have been fixed and I'll quote the first one here.

This is good but one obstacle in the USA is how to get funds into the other person's bank account.  Chase is already making it so you are not able to deposit cash into someone else's account, and other banks are likely to follow.

Here is something that could be integrated into your platform, or used independently. It will provide 'near instant' conversion of digital assets into USD. We're just waiting for contributors to get the project started.





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Re: BANK RUN! - P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange
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on 15/02/2014, 23:24:18 UTC
There are two problems with that I can think of:

1. Bank transfers can be reversed in some circumstances (account was stolen etc). Some days after Bob gets the money and releases the bitcoins, the bank may reverse the transaction.

2. I'd be worried that the bank may freeze my account if I receive cash transfers from someone who turns out to be a criminal or the bank freaks out for some reason.

I would much prefer a centralized exchange.

This concept could work if A and B meet up and payment is made in cash. This concept could also work for trading between cryptocurrencies (btc <--> ltc etc)

I think these are serious issues which need to be considered


This is the 3rd time these points have been raised - you seem to have addressed literally every other post specifically apart from these ones.

These maybe hard questions to answer, but if #2 in particular starts happening for users of your system, you will become a VERY unpopular person, VERY quickly. Having a primary fiat bank account closed or locked is far more damaging and off putting for the novice user (who you've said this system would be for) than losing some fiat or some BTC.

There is no question that this is a huge issue with p2p systems using bank wires. However it seems to me you're missing a critical aspect - the very fact that the system is P2P rather than client server can lower the chance of an account getting blocked.

If banks start seriously blocking bitcoin-related transfers, they have to have some evidence to suggest which out of the hundreds of thousands of wire transfers a day are related to bitcoin. If all fiat-btc transfers are via one of 10 different exchange companies (especially if they're international), it is not very difficult for banks to do that. If the transfers are peer to peer and local, not so much.

(Of course banks freeze accounts for non-bitcoin reasons, I'm not suggesting the P2P aspect removes the blocking risk, but it moves the goalposts)

I'll take this opportunity to let people know of the architecture I'm working on coding right now - description here. Read the ssllog thread for more details if you're interested.


This issue would be solved easily if you banked with a crypto-currency friendly bank. "There isn't one" you say, then create one!

This is good but one obstacle in the USA is how to get funds into the other person's bank account.  Chase is already making it so you are not able to deposit cash into someone else's account, and other banks are likely to follow.

Here is something that could be integrated into your platform, or used independently. It will provide 'near instant' conversion of digital assets into USD. We're just waiting for contributors to get the project started.





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Re: BANK RUN! - P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange
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on 15/02/2014, 22:45:46 UTC
This is good but one obstacle in the USA is how to get funds into the other person's bank account.  Chase is already making it so you are not able to deposit cash into someone else's account, and other banks are likely to follow.

Here is something that could be integrated into your platform, or used independently. It will provide 'near instant' conversion of digital assets into USD. We're just waiting for contributors to get the project started.





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Re: [UDT] US-Dollar-Token, STOP THE ABUSIVE AND UNFAIR PRACTICES AND FEES!
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on 11/02/2014, 19:52:38 UTC
If you own, work for or are associated with a crypto-currency exchange of any kind, it is recommended that you (or encourage your employer or associates) host and offer various bounties to promote this project. The UDT platform would afford you simplification and remove the fear/concern over being charged with violating money laundering laws. The exchange would no longer have to concern itself with strict compliance with those laws because the UDT Foundation and Public Trust would handle compliance at the only point of exchange for fiat to and from a crypto-currency.

We are asking for the following kinds of volunteers and partners:

We are interested in integrating the UDT platform with other projects like Mastercoin, Counterparty and others. If you believe that your project could benefit from UDTs platform or visa-versa, join our development team!

We are asking for Noted and Trusted members of the Bitcoin community to volunteer as panel members of a Provisional UDT Foundation Board of Trustee's to ensure the UDT platform is developed as a trustworthy and legal Decentralized Service.

Individuals who have extensive experience in financial law and/or in the operation of financial institutions.



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[UDT] US-Dollar-Token, STOP THE ABUSIVE AND UNFAIR PRACTICES AND FEES!
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on 11/02/2014, 19:22:53 UTC
Looking for developers willing to volunteer their expertise to develop a legal and free or low-cost crypto-system that will use UDTs (US-Dollar-Tokens) to make it easy, convenient, fast and nearly free to convert digital assets into US Dollars (USD.)

Goals:
 1.  The foundation of a not-for-profit organization to establish a Public Trust to manage a bank, banking account or legal financial entity for the purpose of legally complying with money transmitter laws.
 2.  To establish a bank, banking account or legal financial entity that is managed by the aforementioned Public Trust that will provide normal banking services, including checking and savings accounts, electronic money transfers, cashiers checks, debit cards and deposits, and is in full legal compliance with US laws.
3.  To develop and implement a new variant of a crypto-currency platform similar to Bitcoin with a digital wallet likened unto Bitcoins wallet called the US-Dollar-Token or UDT whose value is always one-to-one with the USD.
 4.  To integrate the UDT platform functions with the software platform of the aforementioned bank, banking account or legal financial entity to facilitate easier, automatic and instant exchanges of USD-to-UDT or UDT-to-USD and the transfer of UDT to and from a UDT wallet.
5.  To promote the use of UDT by crypto-currency exchangers and trading platforms as a safe, convenient, reliable and preferred asset for the exchange, sale and trade of any and all crypto-currencies for USD value instead of the actual USD itself.
6.  To branch out and implement/integrate similar platforms for other fiat currencies facilitating a Worldwide Decentralized Network enabling the legal, free, near-free or low-cost exchange of fiat currencies and crypto-currencies for the common individual, therefore bypassing the abuse and excessive use of transaction and transfer fees by money wire services, financial institutions and crypto-currency exchangers.

In-a-nutshell: It can be very difficult and expensive (as much as 30% or more in cost) to make the exchange of fiat currency into or out of cypto-currencies when you need to do so from one's own pocket or bank account. The majority of the current options lends to abuses both in fees, exchange rates and legalities. If Bitcoin or other crypto-currencies are to become mainstream, there must be a legal and low-cost method to allow a smooth transition between the use and exchange of the two types of currencies (fiat and crypto.)  The UDT system may not be the perfect solution, but it would be a wonderful start. Join the discussion, or volunteer your expertise.

Thanks,
James


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