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This argument is the continuum fallacy. I would suggest you read about both it and the sorites paradox.
You can't apply an arbitrary cut off date to a fetus, because nothing can not be a person at one second, and magically become one the next.
And I never said they could be. It is a continuum. Please read what I said again:So no, a fetus obviously isn't unconscious at 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes, and conscious at 24 weeks. It is a gradual process over the space of 2 weeks. If you make the cut off 24 weeks, i.e. before that process has begun, then you can be sure the fetus is not conscious since it does not have a cortex.
This is a good discussion, I like it.
I'd say the continuum fallacy goes in favor of the pro-life argument
The most common example of the continuum fallacy is Freds beard.
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If a person has no beard, one more day of growth will not cause them to have a beard. Therefore, if Fred is clean-shaven now, he can never grow a beard (for it is absurd to think that he will have a beard some day when he did not have it the day before.).
The continuum fallacy proves there are things that are continually developing so we can't set a value that's true/false on them at a definite point in time. It's impossible.
It's obvious Fred has a beard 4 months in and that he doesn't have one 2 weeks in. But where do you draw the line? You don't because you can't.
At 2 months in, some people would say yeah, that's a grown beard, others would say no way that's a full grown beard. A transition happens where most people attribute different things to the same transitioning object. In this sense weeks and even days matter.
When human life is involved, we can't take the risk.
Can you not be a person at one second and magically become one the other?
You've completely missed my point.Why can you not join the military at 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, but you can at 18 years?
Why can you not buy alcohol at 20 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, but you can at 21 years?
You have to apply an arbitrary cut off to a continuous process (time), so you are always left with situations like this.
Now, if you read my previous post, cortex development necessary for consciousness takes place at 24-26 weeks. So no, a fetus obviously isn't unconscious at 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, and 59 minutes, and conscious at 24 weeks. It is a gradual process over the space of 2 weeks. If you make the cut off 24 weeks, i.e. before that process has begun, then you can be sure the fetus is not conscious since it does not have a cortex.
Alcohol arbitrary cut off dates don't end lives. Abortions do.
You can't apply an arbitrary cut off date to a fetus, because nothing can not be a person at one second, and magically become one the next.
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It is a gradual process over the space of 2 weeks. If you make the cut off 24 weeks, i.e. before that process has begun, then you can be sure the fetus is not conscious since it does not have a cortex.
The point is still the same, there is a second in between the fetus being a person and the fetus not being a person. There is a second where you have to draw the line whether the cortex is developed enough or whether it isn't. A literal second between hundreds of fetuses and you'd have to draw the line to which can be destroyed and which can't and thousands and thousands only differ in seconds of age.
There is a second during that week where you make the cut.
How would we legally define this?
The baby isn't a person when it's 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours and 59 seconds old but when it's 24 weeks old, in that magical second, it became a person.
It's not ideal, but it's one solution that is already used the world over for anything age related - being able to drive, drink, get married, join the military, etc.The baby isn't a person when it's 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours and 59 seconds old but when it's 24 weeks old, in that magical second, it became a person.
Yes. You're allowed to kill people in Afghanistan when you're 18 years old but you can buy a beer when you're 21.
As horrible as these are, they usually won't end human life (unless they die in war, which is rare for US troops).
Abortion will.
How do you deem a cortex developed?
There has to be a split second between "developed" and "undeveloped". There has to be a second between those two frames.
It's undeveloped at 24 weeks and 2 days and 50 seconds but it's developed at 24 weeks 2 days and 1 minute?
Can you not be a person at one second and magically become one the other?
Nor does it have to be a brain or a consciousness. It's developing.
Yes, it's developing. At some point it will develop in to a human being. A collection of cells with no brain is not a human being.What differentiates a 23 week baby from a 24 week one?
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The cortex, which is responsible for human consciousness, does not develop until 24-26 weeks.
The baby isn't a person when it's 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours and 59 seconds old but when it's 24 weeks old, in that magical second, it became a person.
You can't become a person in one day.
How would anyone legally define this?
What is a person anyways?
Merriam-Webster
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Definition of person
1: HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes
A person is a human. Human life is - human.1: HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes
I don't speak for all communists and there are a bunch of ways to answer that question but personally, I don't believe in seizing assets unless thats how you refer to taxes.
I simply believe there is enough new wealth being created to make sure it gets distributed fairly amongst workers. The economy grows each year but most of that growth is enjoyed by the 1% while wages stay stagnant. If we simply saw that new wealth distributed evenly amongst workers, we wouldn't need to seize anything.
Combine that with the fact that the US government creates new money all the time and most of that money goes to corporations and finds its way into the pockets of the uber rich. I'd simply suggest that wealth goes to everyone. There are a lot of democratic methods for achieving this like Universal basic income, education, healthcare, jobs, or housing. None of those involve seizing assets from anyone.
As you see, we print money to help the "economy" all the time. I say we start printing money to help everyday people.
I simply believe there is enough new wealth being created to make sure it gets distributed fairly amongst workers. The economy grows each year but most of that growth is enjoyed by the 1% while wages stay stagnant. If we simply saw that new wealth distributed evenly amongst workers, we wouldn't need to seize anything.
Combine that with the fact that the US government creates new money all the time and most of that money goes to corporations and finds its way into the pockets of the uber rich. I'd simply suggest that wealth goes to everyone. There are a lot of democratic methods for achieving this like Universal basic income, education, healthcare, jobs, or housing. None of those involve seizing assets from anyone.
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Evaluating the impact of QE1, which began in 2008, is nearly impossible. At the time the Fed began rapidly expanding its balance sheet, a number of other events and policy changes were taking place. They included the banking bailout, the auto bailout, advent of zero interest rates, the stimulus package and an accounting change that allowed banks to hold assets on their books to maturity at cost rather than marking them to market. Had all of these taken place in the absence of QE1, how would the economy have performed? Would it have recovered as it did? At the time, it was anybodys guess.
https://www.cmegroup.com/education/featured-reports/did-quantitative-easing-help-spur-growth.htmlAs you see, we print money to help the "economy" all the time. I say we start printing money to help everyday people.
Your graph shows wages rising when profits are falling (1970).
The profits can be reinvested in purchase and expansion of the company which can't show wage increases right away.
Socialists don't understand if workers take profits the company makes, they need to take losses as well.
Imagine working 8 hours a day, 25 days a month and then at the end of the month, you ow someone 2000$.
GG, socialists.
Not all companies make profit, and they never will. It's impossible.
Work exists because not all people are willing to engage in risk, they want to have a secure source of income so they can feed their families.
8 pages on and all i can read is where men think they have a womb and that they have power to make the decision.
the women who is pregnant should be the only one making the decision...
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the women who is pregnant should be the only one making the decision...
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That's shitty logic.
Should only parents decide if they're going to kill their born children?
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Not accurate. Half of all fertilized eggs never implant.
We're arguing over semantics.
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Unfortunately, you are now quoting things I suspect you do not understand, since they do not support your position. Electrical activity is neither a brain nor consciousness. Nor is a neural tube. Nor are connections between nerves and muscles. Nor are spinal reflexes - brain dead patients can still hiccup, stretch, and move. The cortex, which is responsible for human consciousness, does not develop until 24-26 weeks. 24-26 weeks is also the limit of viability, when a fetus being delivered has a chance of surviving (albeit a low chance, and likely with significant physical and mental disabilities). That's where I draw the line.
Nor does it have to be a brain or a consciousness. It's developing.
So you believe a the fetus becomes a person at week 24-26?
What differentiates a 23 week baby from a 24 week one?
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where men think they have a womb
Don't be transphobic. Men have wombs too.
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Yes media has a story to tell and they got this.
This virus is out and China is taking all possible measures to counter this. They have lock down around 5 cities and building a 1000 bed hospital that will be completed in 10 days.
Oh you beat me to it. From the news I've seen it was 9 cities and the hospital is being rushed to be build in 6 days. I don't know how they'll do that but it shows how panicked they are. Some people joke it'll be completed that quickly coz it's actually a mass grave.
If you see history of china, they do things always quickly. Since this virus can destroy China image globally apart from bringing financial loss, they building hospital to curb it. I hope chineses govt will get control of it very soon and will bring relief to its population.
Considering the incubation time and that it has apparently come under their radar as early as December, there's probably already many people outside the quarantine areas spreading the virus unknowingly. At this point they'll have to put the entire country under quarantine judging by the amount of people that traveled out of Wuhan and other affected areas during the holiday season.
What really frustrates me is my own country's refusal to ban all travel between here and China. Seriously, they'd rather risk public safety than piss of China.
Wuhan is under quaranteen with the surrounding area containing 50 million Chinese although there's only 6000 people infected.
I don't know why they would ban travel since these people can't leave their city anyways.
I didn't know OneCoin got so much money! It was so obvious!
Like, its website was an HYIP script..
I used to tell people it's a scam and they shouldn't invest, but they were like, yo, they getting ATMs and shiet, it legit yo
Like, its website was an HYIP script..
I used to tell people it's a scam and they shouldn't invest, but they were like, yo, they getting ATMs and shiet, it legit yo
The consensus is the formation of a zygote marks the beginning of a new individual human life.
So if a skin cell was human life, once it became a zygote it would be a new individual human life?
I don't think that's how it works.
A born baby won't grow up and get a job without a mother, a constant supply of food&water and a warm enviroment.
So a zygote's going to do it as much as a born baby will.
In its natural condition, it will be born, if there isn't an intervention or an anomaly.
A skill cell will not be born in it's natural condition, it will just remain a skin cell.
Where do you draw the line?
So if a skin cell was human life, once it became a zygote it would be a new individual human life?
I don't think that's how it works.
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Neither will a zygote. It needs a uterus, a placenta, an amnion, a chorion, a constant supply of blood from the mother to deliver nutrients and remove waste, a variety of hormones from the mother, warmth, physical protection, immunological protection, etc.
As I said before, it the potential to turn in to a human being at some point in the future given the right conditions is your baseline, then you can equally apply that reasoning to every single sperm or egg.
As I said before, it the potential to turn in to a human being at some point in the future given the right conditions is your baseline, then you can equally apply that reasoning to every single sperm or egg.
A born baby won't grow up and get a job without a mother, a constant supply of food&water and a warm enviroment.
So a zygote's going to do it as much as a born baby will.
In its natural condition, it will be born, if there isn't an intervention or an anomaly.
A skill cell will not be born in it's natural condition, it will just remain a skin cell.
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I said that a person can be dead even if their heart is still beating and all their other organs are functioning, if their brain activity has ceased. Given that a fully grown adult without a functioning brain is no longer a human life, why would a fetus which doesn't even have a brain, let alone one which can function, be a human life?
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The early signs of a brain have begun to form. Even though the fetus is now developing areas that will become specific sections of the brain, not until the end of week 5 and into week 6 (usually around forty to forty-three days) does the first electrical brain activity begin to occur
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The neural tube, which becomes the brain and spinal cord, seals up completely three weeks after conception, one day after the fetal heart begins to beat. By the fourth post-conception week, the eyes and ears have started to form, including connections to the developing brain.
Ultrasounds may detect the first fetal movements as early as five weeks post-conception. These movements provide evidence of electrical impulses at the connection between nerves and muscles. In the sixth week, the forebrain the brain region responsible for processing perception, thoughts, and decisions in adults doubles in size. In fact, the brain starts growing at a rate of 250,000 neurons per minute for the next 21 weeks! In the seventh week, the fetus starts showing a preference for his right or left hand. By 11 weeks post-conception, the fetus performs complex behaviors that require working neural circuits, including hiccupping, stretching, grasping objects, and turning away from loud noises.
Importantly, the formation of the human brain dominates early development. In fact, at eight weeks post-conception, the fetal brain weighs 43 percent of its total body weight. By comparison, a newborns brain weighs 10 percent of his total body weight, and an adults brain weighs just 2 percent of his total body weight. Therefore, even early fetal development occurs in connection with neural activity.
Ultrasounds may detect the first fetal movements as early as five weeks post-conception. These movements provide evidence of electrical impulses at the connection between nerves and muscles. In the sixth week, the forebrain the brain region responsible for processing perception, thoughts, and decisions in adults doubles in size. In fact, the brain starts growing at a rate of 250,000 neurons per minute for the next 21 weeks! In the seventh week, the fetus starts showing a preference for his right or left hand. By 11 weeks post-conception, the fetus performs complex behaviors that require working neural circuits, including hiccupping, stretching, grasping objects, and turning away from loud noises.
Importantly, the formation of the human brain dominates early development. In fact, at eight weeks post-conception, the fetal brain weighs 43 percent of its total body weight. By comparison, a newborns brain weighs 10 percent of his total body weight, and an adults brain weighs just 2 percent of his total body weight. Therefore, even early fetal development occurs in connection with neural activity.
Where do you draw the line?
Its because strawman is actually the best type of argument to make against communism or socialism. Capitalists aren't comfortable arguing against the core principals of communism so they have to make up things to pin on it. This is how smears work. People put up all sorts of points against the ideology but how often do you see someone actually cite communist or socialist literature, and then make points against it. Most of the people are arguing against the soviet union which no longer exists. Thats another form of strawman. I should call it a deadman.
If you want to avoid strawmanning all the time, I suggest you go to some party platforms and read them. I think most people here have "learned" about socialism from capitalists which is the cause for so many strawmen. Go to primary literature.
Of course its much easier to make an argument against some BS you made up than it is to say "workers don't deserve power"
https://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/
If you want to avoid strawmanning all the time, I suggest you go to some party platforms and read them. I think most people here have "learned" about socialism from capitalists which is the cause for so many strawmen. Go to primary literature.
Of course its much easier to make an argument against some BS you made up than it is to say "workers don't deserve power"
https://www.cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/
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We see revolution as a profoundly democratic process, one that involves the actions and decisions of the vast majority. We reject all approaches that welcome and seek violent action.
Reading just two sentences from that page already destroys what most people think about communism.How do you seize and redistribute the assets of people who won't agree to give them over?