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Re: Will mining altcoins on video cards be relevant in the next bull cycle?
We saw 2 bull runs in 2017 and 2021. At that time, mining brought a very large profit, sometimes a video card paid off in a few months.
Do you think that next alt season will be profitable mining and video cards will rise in price again?
Do you think that next alt season will be profitable mining and video cards will rise in price again?
It always has been, so it would be a pretty wild change if they no longer were. It's possible though. Most algorithms now have ASICs and if they don't then ASICs or FPGAs can still be created rather quickly to take advantage of anything new. That certainly puts GPUs on the back burner. However, with AI being a massive user of GPUs I would think an obvious solution to this would be a blockchain that somehow powered AI creations using GPUs. If something like this gets created, I could see it's coin being an extremely valuable to "mine" asset.
@OgNasty yes. adopting useful POW could be very interesting and AI seems to be the thing.
However there many issues with that. How would you ensure that the "useful" part of the job is indeed useful and the network can establish consensus? in traditional pow you have all the power directed toward securing the chain, here it would go over to model training/inference/whatever, so how would you prevent from attacking miner injecting invalid blocks (what are valid blocks anyway?), also how you can deal with the potentially massive amounts of data that may be required?
too many questions...
also what's up with that: https://www.rendertoken.com/
Phönixminer isn´t the most stable miner for years now, you have much better option. For AMD always Teamredminer, by far the best miner for this cards. Nvidia i would go with rigel miner.
The rest of your question: don´t be lazy, the internet is full with options.
yeah for autolycos do I use TRM on mixed vegas & polarises (it also supports "claymore api" which is a big plus).
however... being lazy, wtf? why, isn't this not the Internet?
go and provide full disclosure here, are you a secret miner of super-duper profitable algo/or next-to-the-moon-fast-coin? Wow... great.
I give you merit on your answer. thank you.
I'm looking into using my gpus as stable, remotely controlled source of heat, so what setups most stable do you find? I do autolycos/eth/etc/zilhash on amd. whats up with 1080ti/nvidia? is phoenix still the most stable + vs hash output on dagger-hashimoto /(ethash) what else is there worth engaging with? any interesting chains?
This is a simple question, When this bearish market end and Bull run start.
Thanks
when we will see no more lower lows and only higher highs until new ATH.Thanks
yeah... and don't forget to buy low and sell high.
Ergo looks like the main competitor of Ravencoin in terms of mining, which one do you think it's more valuable to mine and keep for future? What do you think about Ergo project?
Don't waste your time with those coins, they consume the double of energy than the Eth protocol, next coin for mining is ETC.1) ERG(autolykos) consumes ~15% less than ethash and ~40% less than kawpow
2) I'm not really following the oracle solution that ergo provides for cardano, but it could have certain potential... I guess, assuming ADA has bright future
Dude your card is throtling.check memory temps while mining.tteamredminer shows mem temps or use aida64 or hwinfo. While gpu core gets 65 maybe your mems getting above 100c thats why it is lowering power to cool down.
that is somewhat correct. I have 5700 (non XT sapphire pulse) running stable for years at 56MH, they pull 780-825mv, clocked at ~1300 core and ~1820 mem. the core is around +60 while the memory junction is about +100. Using old drivers 20.11.1(+no amd gui crap), mod with morepowertool and set volts/clocks with overdriventool. never use Afterburner for AMD - its shit, in fact I don't use it for Nvidia as well.Re: PhoenixMiner 5.8c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
I upgraded from old 5.2c miner (due to DAG size) to 5.8c and now miner even doesn't start ... any suggestions?
We use 388.71 drivers (also on other working machines).
2021.11.01:11:28:39.771: main Phoenix Miner 5.8c Windows/msvc - Release build
2021.11.01:11:28:39.771: main Cmd line:
2021.11.01:11:28:39.771: main config.txt: -nvidia -nvKernel 3 -mode 1 -gbase 0 -gser 1 -logfile debug.log -tt 62 -tstop 75 -tstart 60 -fanmin 50 -fanmax 100 -cclock +50 -mclock +450 -powlim -20 -straps 1
2021.11.01:11:28:40.307: main CUDA version: 9.0, CUDA runtime: 8.0
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main Available GPUs for mining:
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU0: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 1), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU1: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 2), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU2: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 3), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU3: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 4), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU4: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 5), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU5: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 6), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU6: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie
, CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU7: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 9), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
<--- exit without any info
Miner is started with following ENV :
setx GPU_FORCE_64BIT_PTR 0
setx GPU_MAX_HEAP_SIZE 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_SINGLE_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
Regards,
Stannicek
We use 388.71 drivers (also on other working machines).
2021.11.01:11:28:39.771: main Phoenix Miner 5.8c Windows/msvc - Release build
2021.11.01:11:28:39.771: main Cmd line:
2021.11.01:11:28:39.771: main config.txt: -nvidia -nvKernel 3 -mode 1 -gbase 0 -gser 1 -logfile debug.log -tt 62 -tstop 75 -tstart 60 -fanmin 50 -fanmax 100 -cclock +50 -mclock +450 -powlim -20 -straps 1
2021.11.01:11:28:40.307: main CUDA version: 9.0, CUDA runtime: 8.0
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main Available GPUs for mining:
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU0: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 1), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU1: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 2), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU2: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 3), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU3: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 4), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU4: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 5), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU5: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 6), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU6: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie
, CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs2021.11.01:11:28:40.314: main GPU7: GeForce GTX 1070 (pcie 9), CUDA cap. 6.1, 8 GB VRAM, 15 CUs
<--- exit without any info
Miner is started with following ENV :
setx GPU_FORCE_64BIT_PTR 0
setx GPU_MAX_HEAP_SIZE 100
setx GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS 1
setx GPU_MAX_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
setx GPU_SINGLE_ALLOC_PERCENT 100
Regards,
Stannicek
I have the same problem. Solved it by updating to 460.89. Yours are too old.
I ended up with NBMiner + MSI Afterburner (oldschool like 2017
) - no drivers reinstall - hashrate almost the same, but working. The reason behind that is windows not updated since install (Windows 10 Version 1703, 10.0.15063).my win rigs are win10 1607, 14smth, never had any issues related to OS.
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.8c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
Hi,
unfortunately I have a problem with all phoenixminers over version v5.4c. From phoenixminer-v5.5 I have the problem that the program tells me very quickly that a GPU fault is allegedly detected.
GPU fault detected: 146 0x0ff8c40c for process PhoenixMiner pid 9762 thread PhoenixMiner pid 9762 [ 33.172465] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_ADDR 0x00105DFF [ 33.178320] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_STATUS 0x080C400C [ 33.184106] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM fault (0x0c, vmid 4, pasid 32769) at page 1072639, read from 'TC3' (0x54433300) (196) [ 33.243697] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: GPU fault detected: 146 0x0ff8c40c for process PhoenixMiner pid 9762 thread PhoenixMiner pid 9762 [ 33.249757] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_ADDR 0x00105DFF [ 33.255801] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_STATUS 0x080C400C [ 33.261813] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM fault (0x0c, vmid 4, pasid 32769) at page 1072639, read from 'TC3' (0x54433300) (196)
The RIG Data
6x Powercolor RX 580 8GB
OS : simplemining
Kernel: 5.10.60-sm1#021
Driver: amd20.40r5.11.24
Auto Update: v1319
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G3260 @ 3.30GHz
RAM: 4 GB
Drive: Samsung SSD 850 120GB
Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC R2.0
Motherboard BIOS: P1.20 07/22/2014
Startconfig:
-pool ssl://eu1.ethermine.org:5555 -wal walletadress.W1 -rmode 2
The same system without changing anything runs flawlessly with the phoenixminer-v5.4c at around 190 MH / s.
Thanks for any help.
unfortunately I have a problem with all phoenixminers over version v5.4c. From phoenixminer-v5.5 I have the problem that the program tells me very quickly that a GPU fault is allegedly detected.
GPU fault detected: 146 0x0ff8c40c for process PhoenixMiner pid 9762 thread PhoenixMiner pid 9762 [ 33.172465] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_ADDR 0x00105DFF [ 33.178320] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_STATUS 0x080C400C [ 33.184106] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM fault (0x0c, vmid 4, pasid 32769) at page 1072639, read from 'TC3' (0x54433300) (196) [ 33.243697] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: GPU fault detected: 146 0x0ff8c40c for process PhoenixMiner pid 9762 thread PhoenixMiner pid 9762 [ 33.249757] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_ADDR 0x00105DFF [ 33.255801] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM_CONTEXT1_PROTECTION_FAULT_STATUS 0x080C400C [ 33.261813] amdgpu 0000:03:00.0: amdgpu: VM fault (0x0c, vmid 4, pasid 32769) at page 1072639, read from 'TC3' (0x54433300) (196)
The RIG Data
6x Powercolor RX 580 8GB
OS : simplemining
Kernel: 5.10.60-sm1#021
Driver: amd20.40r5.11.24
Auto Update: v1319
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G3260 @ 3.30GHz
RAM: 4 GB
Drive: Samsung SSD 850 120GB
Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC R2.0
Motherboard BIOS: P1.20 07/22/2014
Startconfig:
-pool ssl://eu1.ethermine.org:5555 -wal walletadress.W1 -rmode 2
The same system without changing anything runs flawlessly with the phoenixminer-v5.4c at around 190 MH / s.
Thanks for any help.
If it runs without issue with PM v5.4c why you want to change? My understanding is that most latest change were for later GPUs.
some time ago I had to update my ETC-ZIL rigs(several at the same time) as 5.2 (or was it 5.4?) completely lost stability for some unknown reason. now all rigs are fine on 5.7b
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.8c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
Does anyone know when exactly ETH becomes PoS ?
And when it's happens what coin is good to replace in our mining rigs (especially with AMD Polaris GPUS) ?
And when it's happens what coin is good to replace in our mining rigs (especially with AMD Polaris GPUS) ?
No one really knows as the devs of Ethereum are well known in missing the deadlines they pone to do.Based on that I would say as a minimum can happen in late 2022 early 2023 so there is enough time to keep mining Ethereum and making money like all miners do.
Plenty of other coins to mine if Eth goes PoS and the top of them are,ERG,ETC and RVN.
how about mixed pos + pow is it still an option discussed?
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
Hi all,
I got a question that what is the Page File size or Virtual Memory of a rig? Currently, it has been increased to at least 49g. However, I heard that the size of VM should be based on the total number of the GPU on the rig and the memory of each GPU. if so the VM should be different on each rig?
Also, is 49g the initial value or max value?
I got a question that what is the Page File size or Virtual Memory of a rig? Currently, it has been increased to at least 49g. However, I heard that the size of VM should be based on the total number of the GPU on the rig and the memory of each GPU. if so the VM should be different on each rig?
Also, is 49g the initial value or max value?
In theory yes each rig will have a different virtual memory depending on what GPU's they have.
If so, what is 49g based on?? if my rig has 10 * rx580 8g. what would be the initial value and max value??
so is 80g the initial value or max value? that is my initial question, as in windows 10, you need to enter 2 values, initial and mix
not sure how you figured that 10GB of Virtual Memory per GPU is needed.
In fact I have several 11GPU rigs running phoenix on windows with 64GB HD... (That's tough and I doubt that anyone of you there is capable of doing so)
but you surely do not need more than 5GB per GPU
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
On 4-5 Aug there will be an eth fork, which will burn gas fees which so far were going to the miners. How much it will affect mining profitability can't be predicted. May be 40%, may be more. And POS is scheduled for December this year. The remaining POW coins can't handle even 1% of the eth hash power, so the profit will be only for those having very cheap or free electricity. The big mining farms are preparing to shut down and soon there will be a flood of thousands cheap gpu's. The prices are already falling, and I guess around December the gpus will be > 10x cheaper. Not a good time to start building rigs, I guess. Still, I see quite a few newbies doing so, apparently not having a clue what will happen soon.
that's interesting. I tend to agree generally. last time I was adding gpus it was 5700 about the time it got released (and maybe it was good time to add more).
now its all unclear yet again (as it always been - no guarantees) and pos is coming for real. but what % of pow would be used for eth and for how long... and if eth would be above 10K... also there other chains that may use POW (and who knows how it will works and how much need for "POW enabled trust" will be required ), there many ifs...
also profits are good, better than the most of the last 5 years in fact(in fiat terms) or what?
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
Hi there,
I got a strange problem, not sure if anyone here can help.
I only mine during an off-peak time, appex 12hrs a day so I use windows 10 task scheduler set up the timers ex: when to start the miner and when to close. However, I note that when the miner is started by the task scheduler, the hashrate is lower (around 293mhs) than I check the miner shortcuts on my desktop myself (around 300mhs). I'm pretty sure that they are running the same file. I know it's odd, but when I close the miner which was started by the task scheduler and open it again via desktop shortcuts, I got a normal hashrate. So pretty sure, it's something to do with the task scheduler, but not sure where to start. I tried to set the task with high privilege, but still the same. ANy suggest??
I got a strange problem, not sure if anyone here can help.
I only mine during an off-peak time, appex 12hrs a day so I use windows 10 task scheduler set up the timers ex: when to start the miner and when to close. However, I note that when the miner is started by the task scheduler, the hashrate is lower (around 293mhs) than I check the miner shortcuts on my desktop myself (around 300mhs). I'm pretty sure that they are running the same file. I know it's odd, but when I close the miner which was started by the task scheduler and open it again via desktop shortcuts, I got a normal hashrate. So pretty sure, it's something to do with the task scheduler, but not sure where to start. I tried to set the task with high privilege, but still the same. ANy suggest??
Hum, strange indeed! I would suggest the following:
1- Set the scheduler to restart your pc at the desired time you wish to mine (https://v2cloud.com/tutorials/how-to-configure-windows-to-reboot-automatically-on-schedule)
2-Set your PhoenixMiner.exe file to run as an administrator (Properties > Compatibility > Settings - Run this program as an administrator)
3- Create a shortcut of your start_miner batch file and cut it
4- press the windows logo, type run, enter (to open the run app), then type shell:startup and paste your batch file shortcut there (C:\Users\YOURUSERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup).
Now everytime your pc restarts it's going to start your miner, with the minor inconvenience of you having to manually close the miner when you do not wish to mine...
See if that helps with your hashrate issue. I use the startup thing on my pc and haven't had any issues so far.
Thx for the suggestion.
The reason I use scheduler not startup folder is that can set up the delay time. I dual mine monero with XMR-Stak RX miner and put XMR-Stak RX miner to the startup as when I tried to set XMR-Stak RX miner in the scheduler, it starts without any setting each time (still not sure why). So I use scheduler for PhoenixMiner and delay 4mins to start after login so the windows will earn a bit of time to log XMR-Stak RX miner, afterburner, watchdog, and TeamViewer...etc before starting PhoenixMiner.
I have just tried to put PhoenixMiner in the startup folder with XMR-Stak RX miner and watchdog. This time I got around 298mhs, still lower than manually check the shortcuts, which always stay above 300mhs. so strange
I run all miners from Task Scheduler in win10, it's the most convenient. Absolutely no reason for degraded performance, if anything it should be better if the task is configured properly. (and I have XMRig starting with delay after the dag generation)
You can try to check "run with highest privileges", I do sysinternals autologon and run task on any user logon.
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
Hi, Jameous! Did you check if your GPU is in Compute mode in AMD Radeon Software instead of Graphics mode? (settings > Graphics > Advanced > GPU workload > compute) I've got an RX 570 and I'm getting about 30 MH/s. I'm using the following commands in the start_miner.bat file for the Binance pool:
...
Hope this helps,
Falcão
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By the way, my setup is pretty old :
Asus Rampage 3 Extreme (over 12 years old)
i7 965 OC to 3.6 MHz
6 GB of DDR3 RAM @1333 MHz
[edit 2]
Just did a little research on your MOBO and it is as old as mine, same cpu socket (LGA 1366) and chipset (X 58), so I'd guess your issues are in fact related to your GPU's settings
Yes, I've tried everything. First off, compute mode does not appear in MY ATI settings, IF it even fully launches! It gets stuck and have to shut down and reboot. I'm on 21.4.1, so it should be there, and I looked on a computer running a RX470, and it was there, so I know where it is. I can set it with some program I found from somewhere, AND I have my script in PM do it to when it launches, and that does nothing. (I've tried the mining driver, and a doz others and still nothing changes it)
I've OC and UV'd, and that helps a bit, but only from low 9s to sometimes high 9s.
I've also tried some BIOS mods that were custom made for my card and those just shut everything down after a few seconds, and no, not heat related as it never got above 55c.
I just checked your mobo and it has "PCI Express 3.0 x4 M.2", so, thanks for the try, but that does not answer my question about PCIe 2.0 mobo being my issue.
Maybe someone with an old moldy potato with PCIe 2.0 and a RX 580 can try to replicate, or has had this happen can chime in?
Thanks tho!
this is enabling compute for dev0:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}\0000]
"KMD_EnableInternalLargePage"=dword:00000002
"KMD_EnableInternalLargePage"=dword:00000002
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
Just weird but the estimated mining reward drop by at least 50% compared last month. Do you experience the same? Is it correlated to Eth 2.0?
Increase in difficulty results in less rewards.
True, May was the peak with 8.x P hashrate and we manage to mine double digit ETH. June is 7.x P, comparatively less from last month but the estimated earning cutdown to half from last month.
not true. the reward is down due to low tx fees
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
The new beta version is finally ready. You can download PhoenixMiner 5.7a from here:
NO SUCH THING.
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.5c: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
I have a Vega 56 card in my Ampere rig.
It's a good card, with the rig timings I can get 48 MH/s using Team Red Miner.
But I can't get past 43 MH/s using Phoenix Miner.
Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? I tried some settings, but there isn't much I can really do, to my knowledge.
I'm trying to switch my rig to Phoenix Miner (I'm using Trex + TRM right now), but I' don't get why I'm loosing so much on Vega.
Any advice?
Thanks for your help.
It's a good card, with the rig timings I can get 48 MH/s using Team Red Miner.
But I can't get past 43 MH/s using Phoenix Miner.
Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? I tried some settings, but there isn't much I can really do, to my knowledge.
I'm trying to switch my rig to Phoenix Miner (I'm using Trex + TRM right now), but I' don't get why I'm loosing so much on Vega.
Any advice?
Thanks for your help.
yes it looks like faster mem timings do not getting applied if you see 42+ vs 48+
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
so here's the conclusion: Polaris on 5.6D (new kernels?) with 20.5+ drivers (20.9.1 ) cannot gracefully regenerate and switch between DAGs, while on 19.12.2 it works fine
@PhoenixMiner
any comments?
confirmed. same rigs on 19.12.2 are stable.
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
so here's the conclusion: Polaris on 5.6D (new kernels?) with 20.5+ drivers (20.9.1 ) cannot gracefully regenerate and switch between DAGs, while on 19.9.1 it works fine
Re: PhoenixMiner 5.6d: fastest Ethereum/Ethash miner with lowest devfee (Win/Linux)
@PhoenixMiner
Are you adding ZIL dag pre-allocation anytime soon?
somewhat strange behavior: I have updated some of my ETH+ZIL Polaris rigs to 20.9.1 + PM 5.6D (the performance is about 0.3-0.5% higher, with 1-3% lower power consumption) however now each time the switch is happening ALL the updated rigs go down, some random GPUs are failing to init the DAG (12GPU rigs), while 19.12.2 +PM 5.5C is working fine.
Are you adding ZIL dag pre-allocation anytime soon?
somewhat strange behavior: I have updated some of my ETH+ZIL Polaris rigs to 20.9.1 + PM 5.6D (the performance is about 0.3-0.5% higher, with 1-3% lower power consumption) however now each time the switch is happening ALL the updated rigs go down, some random GPUs are failing to init the DAG (12GPU rigs), while 19.12.2 +PM 5.5C is working fine.