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Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
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VinceSamios
on 13/06/2014, 13:13:36 UTC
I am the owner of 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc , 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.
First of all, your PR is very good at dealing with such "incident", to make this thing clear, I'll past the timeline and post we have:


Overall, I think that you cannot prove that I was guilty, and you are innocent mathematically. The only word makes you look like innocent is like "I am the 2nd oldest pool, trust me".


so you are saying that even though, mathematically;
for the ~300BTC earned by the two addresses, roughly 12 blocks *should* have been solved/submitted by you
Because it sounds like you submitted no blocks. Thats like flipping a coin tails a dozen times in a row - either luck is way out of whack or you have a fake coin.

It's more like double that, because he has mined something like 600BTC on eligius without submitting a block.

The mathematical probability this dude not finding a block with the amount of work required to find 24 blocks is:

One in 81,000,000

ie. pretty fucking unlikely.

One In 81 million? Could you please explain the math.


Based on this:
http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/20-heads-in-a-row-what-are-the-odds/229300217
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Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
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VinceSamios
on 13/06/2014, 12:43:19 UTC
I am the owner of 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc , 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.
First of all, your PR is very good at dealing with such "incident", to make this thing clear, I'll past the timeline and post we have:


Overall, I think that you cannot prove that I was guilty, and you are innocent mathematically. The only word makes you look like innocent is like "I am the 2nd oldest pool, trust me".


so you are saying that even though, mathematically;
for the ~300BTC earned by the two addresses, roughly 12 blocks *should* have been solved/submitted by you
Because it sounds like you submitted no blocks. Thats like flipping a coin tails a dozen times in a row - either luck is way out of whack or you have a fake coin.

It's more like double that, because he has mined something like 600BTC on eligius without submitting a block.

The mathematical probability this dude not finding a block with the amount of work required to find 24 blocks is:

One in 81,000,000

ie. pretty fucking unlikely.
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Re: ==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ====
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VinceSamios
on 13/06/2014, 12:33:14 UTC
Greetings Eligius miners,

So, after some investigation over the past month or so, it turns out a couple of clients/addresses were involved in a “block withholding attack” against Eligius which has cost us an estimated 300 BTC, and likely miners of other pools as well. A block withholding attack is where a miner submits low difficulty shares but does not submit block solutions— so they appear to be working for the pool and continue to get paid while not actually doing useful work for the pool.

It is unknown how many other pools they’ve executed this attack against. While withholding attacks are detectable, they are not possible to prevent: the risk of block withholding is inherent in how Bitcoin pooling works. Since the attacker does not gain any direct benefit by performing the attack it is usually assumed to not be a serious risk. A withholding attacker can’t profit, except through indirect effects like making a pool look less “lucky” and driving miners to other pools.

My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack.  But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligius’s offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing.

When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining.  We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so.  They eventually responded around the Memorial Day US holiday weekend.  Before we were able to respond (everyone has been extra busy as you all know), they threatened putting a 200 BTC bounty on hacking Eligius. More recently, their behaviours have extended to additional ultimatums, arbitrary deadlines, demanding 1164%-APY interest on the payout, etc.

Suffice it to say, communications with the attacker have been less than productive.

My original plan was to return the coins we have held in offline storage to the rightful owners— the miners who were submitting real work and were affected by the withholding attack— by paying towards shelved shares accrued during that time period (doing this is non-trivial due to security measures in place). This is still my intention, as I have no real inclination to yield to the demands and threats made by this attacker who has cost all of us quite a bit. It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever.

In any case, I wanted to make sure I posted the details of this before the attacker attempts to take the public FUD route, and possibly get some constructive opinions on how to actually proceed with this.  

I will be posting all details we have about this soon.  For now, the two addresses I have filtered from the payout queue are 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc and 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.

Rest assured that there is no need to be concerned about their threats.  Eligius is the second oldest mining pool and is also one of the few remaining pools which has never had any loss of bitcoin from any type of hack.  The reason there have been no successful hacks is because we take security very seriously.  There really are no possible methods for such an attack with Eligius.  While I won't reveal any of the specific security measures in place, even if an attacker were to somehow compromise any or even every single Eligius server, keep in mind that there are no funds stored on any online machine for them to steal anyway.  Other data is protected and verified by remote machines as well.  The pool will simply be cut off from the world pending my personal review if anything important were actually manipulated. As previously noted, the offline wallet requires coordination between both myself and Luke-Jr, and also very shortly, after completing some testing, a confidential third party.

I am taking this very seriously, and I'll be monitoring the pool as closely as possible.  Measures are also being taken to further harden our already very good existing security as well. If  My assumption is that the attacker is not going to take kindly to being publicly outed.

Thanks,

-wk

P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way…)

Please return the 429.19371155 BTC you received whilst contributing nothing.

The mathematical probability of you not finding a block with the amount of work required to find 24 blocks is:

One in 81,000,000

ie. pretty fucking unlikely.
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Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
by
VinceSamios
on 13/06/2014, 12:32:40 UTC
I am the owner of 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc , 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.
First of all, your PR is very good at dealing with such "incident", to make this thing clear, I'll past the timeline and post we have:


Overall, I think that you cannot prove that I was guilty, and you are innocent mathematically. The only word makes you look like innocent is like "I am the 2nd oldest pool, trust me".


so you are saying that even though, mathematically;
for the ~300BTC earned by the two addresses, roughly 12 blocks *should* have been solved/submitted by you
Because it sounds like you submitted no blocks. Thats like flipping a coin tails a dozen times in a row - either luck is way out of whack or you have a fake coin.

It's more like double that, because he has mined something like 600BTC on eligius without submitting a block.
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Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
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VinceSamios
on 13/06/2014, 11:42:10 UTC
I am the owner of 17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc , 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u.
First of all, your PR is very good at dealing with such "incident", to make this thing clear, I'll past the timeline and post we have:

In 5.16, I post my ticket.
In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied.
In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text.
Then, a week passed. After I said that if there's no response, I will post it on society. Finally, you announced.
Then I give you some option.
Then you keep slience and post this.

The last shared submitted on these address is in first week of May, and you keep slience, until I warn you twice.

For your " demanding 1164%-APY interest", Let me paste my last post here:

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Hi,

This may be the last time I ask for your response.
You need to choose one of these two options in 72 hours, or we'll 'escalate' this case to the whole bitcoin society, and your local law enforcement agencies may also be involved later.

1. Pay all unpaid bitcoin before 6/15.
2. Pay under a installment plan: pay 10% per week, or pay 5% a week, with a extra 5% interest.
===================

Thats all, 5% interest. If you can pay me in 10 week, you can still pay nothing extra!!!

And for my "hacking your site if you dont pay", I post my origional words here:

==================
2. No one wants to risk its money (or hash power) to behave maliciously, under the design of bitcoin protocol, since it will for sure bring negative benefit. If I want to act "maliciously", I can pay just even a small proportion of 200btc to a professional hacker, and I believe he can tear your site for weeks. it may be a much better idea than messing your share system up with legal traffic.
==================

May be my english is poor, But I think you know what "IF" means. I just said that assume that I'm a bad guy and want to break your site, it's a better idea to hire a creaker than risk my power of calculation.

Overall, I think that you cannot prove that I was guilty, and you are innocent mathematically. The only word makes you look like innocent is like "I am the 2nd oldest pool, trust me".

Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined.

If you accidentally steal (or even just receive) money from a bank, you are legally required to return it.

Please return all the BTC you mined whilst withholding blocks. It was my understanding this happened by accident (in coding a custom mining client), but that wasn't my mistake, yet you have my money.
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Re: IN STOCK - 750GH/s for $849 - VMC Fast Hash One Gold Rush 0.83w/gh
by
VinceSamios
on 07/06/2014, 18:07:06 UTC
EDIT: heh.. pump sata power connector disconneted Wink but now there is another problem:



lots of hash core error (they were also here before that power came loose).. what is the cure for that?

Lol yes - pump disconnected will do bad things.

Are you allowing cgminer to squelch cores? It's the same core giving you errors.
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Re: IN STOCK - 750GH/s for $849 - VMC Fast Hash One Gold Rush 0.83w/gh
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VinceSamios
on 03/06/2014, 10:13:06 UTC
ditto, ordered 3 so far, all delivered to the UK.
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Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide
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VinceSamios
on 03/06/2014, 10:02:38 UTC
I've bought twice from VMC, 1x prospector and 2x gold rush. All have arrived.
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Re: IN STOCK - 750GH/s for $849 - VMC Fast Hash One Gold Rush 0.83w/gh
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VinceSamios
on 01/06/2014, 06:52:48 UTC
Get the cooling right... simplez
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Re: IN STOCK - 750GH/s for $849 - VMC Fast Hash One Gold Rush 0.83w/gh
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VinceSamios
on 31/05/2014, 17:04:37 UTC
I've now got one card running happily at 850mhz, and one at 887mhz - ie. about 670gh/s and 690gh/s
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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VinceSamios
on 29/05/2014, 09:22:22 UTC
Alleged debtor my ass. They are paying a $200k retainer to a CRO. How many boards would have they built with that money?

Everything seems to be going on privately, I find it really difficult to understand what's going on.

http://hashfast.org/14-30725.29.mp3

Um, they have paid $2500 retainer, not 200k... no wonder you're having difficulty understanding what's going on.
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Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board
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VinceSamios
on 29/05/2014, 08:28:56 UTC
cgminer --hfa-fan 100 --hfa-temp-target 0 --hfa-temp-overheat 110 --hfa-fail-drop 0 --hfa-hash-clock

Gateway is it wise to be running temps over 100c (ie. boiling point) in a closed loop water cooler? I've got my boards at 99C overheat.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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VinceSamios
on 24/05/2014, 18:52:34 UTC
You and me and few other guys on this forum are not going to create a viable production line overnight.
It doesn't work that way. VMC didn't "created a manufacturing line". They are using the same exact manufacturer HF used, paid them, and magic comes out of that. As simple as that.
You only need money. You need money for the pcb (that is the longest lead time component and that we should then pay asap), you need money to order the components, you need money to place the components, you need money to program and to test the boards, you need money for logistics, etc.

One does not simply walk into a board manufacturing company and say "those... right there.... I want some of those" - VMC produces the boards under license, most folks don't have that license.
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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
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VinceSamios
on 24/05/2014, 06:05:50 UTC
Here's a video I did on the VMC produced Yoli Evo - go sticker hunting folks :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr281yTrCVY&feature=youtu.be
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Re: IN STOCK - 750GH/s for $849 - VMC Fast Hash One Gold Rush 0.83w/gh
by
VinceSamios
on 24/05/2014, 05:57:23 UTC
Here's the video I did on the Gold Rush cards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr281yTrCVY&feature=youtu.be
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Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board
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VinceSamios
on 23/05/2014, 20:42:54 UTC
Another note is that it is measurably better to have the fans pulling air through the radiator as opposed to pushing it through, just swapping the direction can drop temps by a couple degrees.

Very interesting - I'll have to try this.

Unfortunately I don't have the means to test the board level power consumption. My wife has even "tidied" the damn kill-a-watt.
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Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board
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VinceSamios
on 23/05/2014, 20:38:13 UTC
Any reason to not just go all out and use the H110?

I'm pretty sure the h100i outperforms the h110
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Re: IN STOCK - 750GH/s for $849 - VMC Fast Hash One Gold Rush 0.83w/gh
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VinceSamios
on 23/05/2014, 15:43:59 UTC
what is the best corsair h100i or h80i ?  

And why not can up to 750Gh/s ?

Scam VMC? why said that are 750Gh/s ?
h100i is better

They advertise +/- 20%, so 600gh/s is (technically speaking) within specification, although I don't think they should be advertised at 750gh/s
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Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board
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VinceSamios
on 23/05/2014, 15:42:52 UTC
Now we need to know which PSU and cooler to purchase.

Nexus99,

I'm going with a Corsair H100 for cooling (found at newegg or whichever getting place you use).  For PSU I'm using Dell Z750P units (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Dell-PowerEdge-2950-Z750P-00-RX833-0RX833-7001072-Y000-Server-Power-Supply-/251533148025?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item3a908b3f79) coupled with a gekkoscience Dell PSU breakout board (i.e. sidehack's breakout board http://www.gekkoscience.com/products/D750_supply_breakout_board.html).  Right now I have a couple of those pulling between 920W and 950W at the wall.  From that you can tell that over committing the PSU is WAY possible *without* much chance of the magic smoke coming out.  On another note, does anyone know if the HashFast Minepeon image work as the miner for these boards?  Hope this helps.

H@shKraker

Go with the h100i rather than the h100 - better pump and apparently cools much better.

For thermal paste I highly recommend going with a 100% metal option, like Coollaboratories Liquid Ultra

Power supply I'd suggest 950w+
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Re: The Habanero Project - Third Party HF Mining Board
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VinceSamios
on 23/05/2014, 15:30:42 UTC
So options: 1) VMC can't follow the blueprints for the evo board, 2) There is a high % of boards that is limited in his speed in the VMC process or 3) the evo board itself sucks.

I must admit that I'm undecided.

Personally I think it's impractical for anyone but the most hardcore tech-head to be able to remove the amount of heat coming from these chips. I defo believe the peppermining board is a better design and their software will allow folks to get a lot more out of the chips, but IMHO the price is a little steep relatively speaking considering the plausible additional hashrate average joe could achieve.

That said, from the specs I've seen posted by MrTeal and Gateway I get the feeling the w/gh will be better from the habanero, although $250 worth of improvement? I'm not sure....