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Re: Announcing the FutureBit Apollo BTC - A Full Node/Mining Platform for the Home!
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WLColsher
on 10/06/2022, 11:10:18 UTC

3) What is the profitability per day if pool mining?


You need to be aware that mining depends a great deal on "luck" and "difficulty". I mine with a full unit and one standard and track my results on a daily/weekly basis. My "best ever" week was March 30 - April 5 when the two units "mined" 0.00020829 BTC. The average with 2 units has been 0.00017008 BTC per week. At the current USD price of BTC that's about $5.00.

Obviously your "profitability" will depend on your cost of electricity (200 watts per unit) and how you choose to account it. I suggest that you treat these miners as variable rate foreign currency bonds with a *very long* duration. The simplistic "ROI" you see everywhere is really only relevant at the commercial level of mining.

Good Luck!
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Re: Ultra-Low-Cost DIY FPGA Miner - 175MH/s @ $1/MH
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WLColsher
on 05/06/2022, 12:39:23 UTC
Did this project ever end up mining crypto?

If so I would like to buy one Smiley

This thread is 9+ years old when BTC was MUCH easier - see the comment above: BTC was around $100 or less then.

Things are very different now.

As an example, I have a dual FutureBit system running (one full node and one standard) which averages a bit more than 6 gHash or (about) 6,000 mHash. That rig generates about 0.00017 BTC per week or about $5.00 USD. At current BTC prices that's a few cents more than the electricity it costs to run. A single FutureBit full node costs $899 for 3 gHash or about $0.30/ mHash. At this level it's basically a hobby with the hope that "stacking sats" will pay off sometime in the indefinite future.

Bottom line: DIY FPGA mining at that level is a lot of work for zero return.

All that said... if you enjoy DIY electronics (I build Eurorack synth modules "for fun", LOL) and are reasonably competent/confident with modern software development tools, building a small miner could be an interesting project. There are a number of reasonably recent videos on YouTube documenting such projects and you can find PCB layouts, software, etc. on github.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_AocgfvTIs&t=290s

Good Luck!
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 23/05/2022, 14:23:09 UTC
Two Issues:

1: I can't load the pool settings from the UI. The page just has a spinner.
2: Pools are inactive. The Apollo BTC is blinking red, but the pool status is inactive with no hash rate.

Background: Recently had a power outage. Seems that this behavior occurred afterwards.
Background: All other functionality seems to work with the Apollo BTC besides changing the pool and actually mining.

Any help would be appreciated!


Regarding number 2, I think if the Apollo loses connection it doesn't seem to reconnect by itself but it keeps mining locally. I remember having an issue like that one time, and just restarting the miner software solved it.

The power outage may be the issue here. These miners want to be shut down properly so it may be that you'll need to re-flash the SD card. There are instructions and links to image files back at the beginning of this topic.
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Re: Bonanza
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WLColsher
on 25/04/2022, 17:26:09 UTC
First, know you will never "get rich" using household/hobby mining hardware.

What you will do is acquire a hobby that has the potential to motivate you to learn a *LOT* of mathematics, much about the how the internet works, software development, and most of all patience (possibly the most important skill for any investor). At some point you'll even learn a bit of electronics, at the very least the relationship between volts, amps, and watts (and what the latter cost).

Meanwhile, think of investing as developing strength (or losing weight). You don't test everyday; you develop a plan and stick to it. Then at intervals you test (your plan) and make any changes you need.

Good luck!

Hobbyist mining seems appealing to me. What kind of math is bitcoin?

Bitcoin (and all cryptocurrency) is based in cryptography. There are tons of articles available online that explain things fairly simply, e.g. this one on Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/tech/explaining-crypto-cryptocurrency/

Obviously you don't have to understand it to mine successfully, but it is something more or less useful to know and gaining some mastery of the field could lead to opportunities in the software side of the industry.
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Re: Bonanza
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WLColsher
on 18/04/2022, 15:32:41 UTC
First, know you will never "get rich" using household/hobby mining hardware.

What you will do is acquire a hobby that has the potential to motivate you to learn a *LOT* of mathematics, much about the how the internet works, software development, and most of all patience (possibly the most important skill for any investor). At some point you'll even learn a bit of electronics, at the very least the relationship between volts, amps, and watts (and what the latter cost).

Meanwhile, think of investing as developing strength (or losing weight). You don't test everyday; you develop a plan and stick to it. Then at intervals you test (your plan) and make any changes you need.

Good luck!
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 18/04/2022, 15:19:48 UTC
I think some more information is needed here.

First, just to verify:
1) you have 2 "full" units and "several" standard units
2) the 2 "full" units have dowloaded the blockchain and are running as nodes
3) None of the units, full or standard are mining
4) You're using the supplied PSUs or have one or more PSUs supplying at least 250 watts per unit (80% rule)

If all that is correct, then the first thing I'd try is to simplify everything:
1) shut everything down using the web interface, then disconnect everything
2) select one of the full units and connect it to internet and power
3) Turn on the selected full unit
4) Describe the selected unit's behavior as it powers on including the "main" LED and the colored ones inside the unit. There's a description of what should happen way back at the top of this thread.



The two full units are in the midst of downloading the block chain. Started yesterday and is about 64% complete.

I am using the PSU provided by Apollo.   The Full units were not mining.  I did several restarts, shut downs, power cycle.  On a whim this morning, being Easter, after shutting it down, I got one full unit mining.  Then I saw your response.   So Thanks for validating I was doing.  I did make sure, I shut the node down first, before rebooting, or power cycling.


Now I'm running into the 8333 port not being open.  I did the port forwarding on my ATT BGW320 for 8333.  But I'm still getting 10/32 connections.

What else am I missing?

Fairly certain I didn't get more than 10 or so connections until my node was synched

Exactly - you'll see it run up to 31 or 32 once you're synced.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 17/04/2022, 02:09:22 UTC
I think some more information is needed here.

First, just to verify:
1) you have 2 "full" units and "several" standard units
2) the 2 "full" units have dowloaded the blockchain and are running as nodes
3) None of the units, full or standard are mining
4) You're using the supplied PSUs or have one or more PSUs supplying at least 250 watts per unit (80% rule)

If all that is correct, then the first thing I'd try is to simplify everything:
1) shut everything down using the web interface, then disconnect everything
2) select one of the full units and connect it to internet and power
3) Turn on the selected full unit
4) Describe the selected unit's behavior as it powers on including the "main" LED and the colored ones inside the unit. There's a description of what should happen way back at the top of this thread.

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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 09/04/2022, 20:51:07 UTC
I'm running a Batch 3 Full and 1 standard for about 6 weeks now and haven't noticed any drop off. So a couple questions just to get some focus:

1) Is the reported hashrate from the Apollo web dashboard or your pool?
2) Are all 44 ASICS running on all 3 hashboards?
3) How do your hash board temps look? Mine have been right around 65°C since day 1 in Turbo mode.

The "designed" hashrate is an average and can vary by around 5% so dips down to 5.7ish Th/s on the dashboard should be expected.

Someone here will certainly have more information for you than I do.




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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 08/04/2022, 20:05:33 UTC


Curious to hear people's opinions on the 'value proposition' of these units right now.
And to be clear, I am not trying to flame, but I am running two units from batch 2 that don't seem like they will ever achieve ROI.

To anyone purchasing now, what is your gameplan? What are your priorities and goals?
Just curious to get other perspectives, cheers.

If by "ROI" you mean "pay for itself" the answer is unknowable without knowing one's cost of electricity AND the price of Bitcoin at some future date. You should know your price of electricity so you can easily compute your monthly cost of operations, then project BTC however you care to.

As far as the machines themselves I have 2 Batch 3 machines mining Slushpool. They generate about 0.00021 Bitcoin a week, or 0.01092 annually. At today's price that's about $467.50 per year. If you buy ARK Investment's call of $1,000,000 by 2030 you're looking at about $87000 over that period. That doesn't take into account the expected 2024 "halving", BTW.

After all that, as an investor first, I look at these home or hobby miners as foreign currency bonds. So the $1400 I have in my two machines (a full and a standard) yield about 33% annually in USD.
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Re: While you in prison your btc
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WLColsher
on 07/04/2022, 16:22:08 UTC
In the United States, any assets "that represent the proceeds of, or were used to facilitate federal crimes" are subject to seizure. If you;re looking at "years", chances are good local, state, and federal enforcement will be going after assets at the very least for victim compensation.

Otherwise, as the saying (slightly updated) goes, "keep your friends close and your keys closer".
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 12/03/2022, 19:09:33 UTC
Yes, this is what I was asking about. Is there a 90% rule? 

It's 80% for reasons of long (way before crypto was a glint in Satoshi's eye) painful experience. There are tons of examples of "not quite enough" PSUs (especially see the older Goldshell Doge Mini burnt connector issues) being bad news.

LeftLane10Under replied to your earlier PSU post and provided a bit of clarity on temps and hash rate about 4 posts above.

Specifically:

Quote from: LeftLane10Under
I don’t recommend running these at max settings. I don’t live in a cold climate and these got really hot fast! 75C and the room was hot. I went from 12.5th/s in turbo @ 800watts to 14.5th/s at 1050watts for 4 units (two 750w psus). Each unit saw about 266wats at full speed.

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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 12/03/2022, 15:33:38 UTC
The FutureBit PSU is already derated to 80%, its designed to run @ 200 watts 24/7. If this was a normal ATX PSU it would be marketed as a "250W" PSU.

Does the stock PSU offer any leeway to OC the hashboard? Mine is practically at 2 weeks uptime, seems to be very stable SW, looking forward to the bitcoin apps you're working on.  

Is the miner's hashrate supposed to match the slushpool's hashrate on the Apollo Dashboard?

Apollo Dashboard - https://ibb.co/940wnHk

Apollo Detail - https://ibb.co/3F6vj3M

Slushpool Detail - https://ibb.co/q9FvSZR

If you follow the 80% "rule" there's no leeway. There are some discussions above regarding more powerful PSUs but keep in mind potential thermal issues.

The miner and the pool rates will never exactly match. The miner hashrate changes constantly as does latency between miner and pool, the rate of the pool's UI updates, and so forth.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 03/03/2022, 15:50:32 UTC
Hi guys,

Given the limited hard drive for the node that comes inside the Futurebit Apollo BTC, I am thinking of increasing the hard drive; I think that keeping nodes running indefinitely is important because if each of us did this, it would keep the network strong and decentralized, but I am not sure exactly how to approach it. Can I simply attach an external SDD drive to it via its USB ports, or must I figure out how to install a larger internal hard drive?

Thanks! 

If you have a "Batch 3" unit, the 1TB SSD is currently less than half full, so it's good for a quite some time.

If you have an older unit with the (now) nearly full 500GB SSD, just buy a 1TB NVMe SSD, shut down and power off, replace the 500GB SSD (it's obvious when you turn the unit over), and fire it all up again. It will take a couple days to sync again of course.
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Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread
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WLColsher
on 23/02/2022, 02:30:58 UTC
Hello! I bought 2 Full editions. I opened one and everything is running smooth. I would just like to know from someone with more experience, a realistic Daily/Weekly profit margin running on regular mode at 2TH. I dont think or see that what I have on my "Rewards" so far is realistic to call it that way and not too low.

Thanks

There is no way to to realistically estimate this. Everything depends on how "lucky" the pool gets. In Turbo mode on Slush Pool I'm seeing about 0.00000170 (plus or  minus a couple) BTC per block found. Figure about 1/3 less for your setting. Today so far Slush Pool has found 5 blocks, a few days ago it found 13 in one day. My last daily reward was 0.00001433 BTC.

Profit margin will, of course, depend on your cost of electricity and to a lesser extent internet bandwidth.

And... you don't really need 2 full packages. One "Full Package" can run 2 (maybe more?) "standard" units.

Good Luck!