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What a bull shit.So far, Bitcoin has proved to be VERY instable. Period.
The OP needs new glasses.
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What a bull shit.So far, Bitcoin has proved to be VERY instable. Period.
The OP needs new glasses.
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Re: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies!
I very much like what the site represents. However, I find it rather biased that the site is not showing Ripple as a crypto currency.
And that -sorry- is simply bull shit.
ALL the way down on the page you can click a small link stating "Looking for Ripple?" http://coinmarketcap.com/ripple.html.
"YES", I might add - I was looking for Ripple!
I guess, the owner of the site is strongly biased AGAINST Ripple. Okay, you may be so, and it's a free country you live in (I suppose). Now don't claim you don't have a bias against Ripple, since if not, you would not have added some exotic "Emerald" coin with a current market cap of just $1,122 on the page, but were just "omitting" Ripple with a current market cap of $ 1,119,676,268. (That is: SECOND in place after BTC and way ahead of LTC and the likes).
I know, I know: Ripple is still in it's infancy, and in bèta. Both owners of XRP and RippleLabs will be the first to admit that: "YES, it is. Still. Though not for long."
If you need to, put that as extra info in. But let's be real... Ripple is FAR, FAR (!) ahead in its development and future potential than any "Emeralds" or other BTC-spinoff (like LTC).
Oops.. probably I'll now get cursed for that
by some of the "other altcoin" evangelists.
To all those potential cursers - FYI in advance:
- I'm a really big advocate of BTC, for the quick trading profits that it has given me so far;
- I'm an even a bigger advocate of Ripple, and that is for the long haul capital preservation opportunity it provides (BTC is currently way too volatile for that IMHO).
These two crypto currencies will rule. They work. And if you can't deal with that, then get a life.
To the website owner: put Ripple in right away, please! (Be it with an extra "in bèta" if you feel the need to do so.)
You'd be much more credible doing so.
Ripple has more pre-mining then all of the coins on that list combined. And that -sorry- is simply bull shit.
ALL the way down on the page you can click a small link stating "Looking for Ripple?" http://coinmarketcap.com/ripple.html.
"YES", I might add - I was looking for Ripple!
I guess, the owner of the site is strongly biased AGAINST Ripple. Okay, you may be so, and it's a free country you live in (I suppose). Now don't claim you don't have a bias against Ripple, since if not, you would not have added some exotic "Emerald" coin with a current market cap of just $1,122 on the page, but were just "omitting" Ripple with a current market cap of $ 1,119,676,268. (That is: SECOND in place after BTC and way ahead of LTC and the likes).
I know, I know: Ripple is still in it's infancy, and in bèta. Both owners of XRP and RippleLabs will be the first to admit that: "YES, it is. Still. Though not for long."
If you need to, put that as extra info in. But let's be real... Ripple is FAR, FAR (!) ahead in its development and future potential than any "Emeralds" or other BTC-spinoff (like LTC).
Oops.. probably I'll now get cursed for that
by some of the "other altcoin" evangelists. To all those potential cursers - FYI in advance:
- I'm a really big advocate of BTC, for the quick trading profits that it has given me so far;
- I'm an even a bigger advocate of Ripple, and that is for the long haul capital preservation opportunity it provides (BTC is currently way too volatile for that IMHO).
These two crypto currencies will rule. They work. And if you can't deal with that, then get a life.
To the website owner: put Ripple in right away, please! (Be it with an extra "in bèta" if you feel the need to do so.)
You'd be much more credible doing so.
Meaning what?
I don't think that is the point here - at all.
Mind you - given the relatively low USD/XRP price, that circumstance has already been taken into account.
Re: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies!
I very much like what the site represents. However, I find it rather biased that the site is not showing Ripple as a crypto currency.
And that -sorry- is simply bull shit.
ALL the way down on the page you can click a small link stating "Looking for Ripple?" http://coinmarketcap.com/ripple.html.
"YES", I might add - I was looking for Ripple!
I guess, the owner of the site is strongly biased AGAINST Ripple. Okay, you may be so, and it's a free country you live in (I suppose). Now don't claim you don't have a bias against Ripple, since if not, you would not have added some exotic "Emerald" coin with a current market cap of just $1,122 on the page, but were just "omitting" Ripple with a current market cap of $ 1,119,676,268. (That is: SECOND in place after BTC and way ahead of LTC and the likes).
I know, I know: Ripple is still in it's infancy, and in bèta. Both owners of XRP and RippleLabs will be the first to admit that: "YES, it is. Still. Though not for long."
If you need to, put that as extra info in. But let's be real... Ripple is FAR, FAR (!) ahead in its development and future potential than any "Emeralds" or other BTC-spinoff (like LTC).
Oops.. probably I'll now get cursed for that by some of the "other altcoin" evangelists.
To all those potential cursers - FYI in advance:
- I'm a really big advocate of BTC, for the quick trading profits that it has given me so far;
- I'm an even a bigger advocate of Ripple, and that is for the long haul capital preservation opportunity it provides (BTC is currently way too volatile for that IMHO).
These two crypto currencies will rule. They work. And if you can't deal with that, then get a life.
To the website owner: put Ripple in right away, please! (Be it with an extra "in bèta" if you feel the need to do so.)
You'd be much more credible doing so.
And that -sorry- is simply bull shit.
ALL the way down on the page you can click a small link stating "Looking for Ripple?" http://coinmarketcap.com/ripple.html.
"YES", I might add - I was looking for Ripple!
I guess, the owner of the site is strongly biased AGAINST Ripple. Okay, you may be so, and it's a free country you live in (I suppose). Now don't claim you don't have a bias against Ripple, since if not, you would not have added some exotic "Emerald" coin with a current market cap of just $1,122 on the page, but were just "omitting" Ripple with a current market cap of $ 1,119,676,268. (That is: SECOND in place after BTC and way ahead of LTC and the likes).
I know, I know: Ripple is still in it's infancy, and in bèta. Both owners of XRP and RippleLabs will be the first to admit that: "YES, it is. Still. Though not for long."
If you need to, put that as extra info in. But let's be real... Ripple is FAR, FAR (!) ahead in its development and future potential than any "Emeralds" or other BTC-spinoff (like LTC).
Oops.. probably I'll now get cursed for that
by some of the "other altcoin" evangelists. To all those potential cursers - FYI in advance:
- I'm a really big advocate of BTC, for the quick trading profits that it has given me so far;
- I'm an even a bigger advocate of Ripple, and that is for the long haul capital preservation opportunity it provides (BTC is currently way too volatile for that IMHO).
These two crypto currencies will rule. They work. And if you can't deal with that, then get a life.
To the website owner: put Ripple in right away, please! (Be it with an extra "in bèta" if you feel the need to do so.)
You'd be much more credible doing so.
I appreciate the effort but without more information this chart is of dubious value. What is the trendline based on? Unless it's based on stats and/or financial indicators then there's just too much room for curve-fitting and, effectively, useless.
There is no magic. The chart is average daily mtgox values, presented on a log chart with a least squares straight line (exponential, of course). Obviously the future is hypothetical, but this is the best fit projection using known data.
That's exactly the case: it is a regression line, using known data. The current value vs. regression line simply means, the price is sitting at the line. No more, no less. It could mean the price might turn up again.
HOWEVER, it does not mean in ANY way:
* that prices can't fall any further (after which they might start rising again)
* nor that prices might also have already topped at their all-time-high.
There is just no way of telling, not even with your regression line.
Implicating anything else would be an insult to the science of Statistics.
Bottom line: a regression line is of no practical prospective use, it is for historical (ex post) analysis.
Stop the spread of FUD.
You shouldn't have initiated the withdrawal if you didn't want to withdraw your money!
You shouldn't have initiated the withdrawal if you didn't want to withdraw your money!
I don't think you understand him correctly: he does want his money out of MtGox. Only to find MtGox cannot deliver anymore.
Mind you: not on a USD transaction, but on a EUR transaction!
That is something that really worries me.
FYI: I don't do any trade through MtGox anymore as my trust was gone once the announced USD-withdrawals would not be possible. "For the time being" (Let's see how long that is gonna take). Yet - should MtGox fail, it will be bad for the adoption of Bitcoin by the general public. We simply would not want to see headlines like that. BTC would survive, but would also be facing a set back. Thankfully, we're not there YET. But I am wary of the situation at MtGox.
[ edit: did I miss something while being away from the forum for a while: would the OP be a known troller? ]
That's not the worst case scenario.
Exactly. I fear we're in for a VERY wild ride in BTC.
Imagine: MtGox belly-up, and Bitstamp getting into banking troubles as well (be it just temporarily) if the shit hits the fan in Slovania within 4 weeks from now. There is actually talk that a Slovanian real estate owner (who WILL default) should meet obligations about NOW. It will, in turn, get Slovanian banks in trouble, meaning Slovania will need to ask for an EU-rescue. Just think of the consequences, if Bitstamp's bank gets into trouble...
Mt.Gox trouble... Bitstamp trouble...
Let's hope for the better...
I just saw the announcement at https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130620.html
WTF ?!?!?!
I suspect Mt Gox is in deep shit, but is trying to save it's ass. There is just no point in stopping USD withdrawals, yet still accepting USD.
This is a matter that stinks like rat-filled a gutter on a hot summer night.
I don't trust it. What's next?
WTF ?!?!?!
I suspect Mt Gox is in deep shit, but is trying to save it's ass. There is just no point in stopping USD withdrawals, yet still accepting USD.
This is a matter that stinks like rat-filled a gutter on a hot summer night.
I don't trust it. What's next?
So it's now official: the upward intermediate trendline has been broken.
First thing to look for (as this is a weekly chart) is to see a CLOSE below this trendline. That will occur if the price doesn't reverse sharply. That will be your confirmation.
Once confirmed too, we're into "neutral" from an intermediate standpoint of view. But "neutral" withing VERY large boundaries.
In any case it is by FAR not time to start buying again. This market will need months to work things out (that is most likely to be at a vastly lower level; even from the current levels you might see a 70% drop).
Take care out there.
First thing to look for (as this is a weekly chart) is to see a CLOSE below this trendline. That will occur if the price doesn't reverse sharply. That will be your confirmation.
Once confirmed too, we're into "neutral" from an intermediate standpoint of view. But "neutral" withing VERY large boundaries.
In any case it is by FAR not time to start buying again. This market will need months to work things out (that is most likely to be at a vastly lower level; even from the current levels you might see a 70% drop).
Take care out there.
It's a good time to buy, but WILL it drop even more is the question?
Exactly. Chances are, it will, although intermediate term support levels (current week: at $100) are not yet broken.
You might want to take a look at the weekly levels here, for reference:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223860.msg2352683#msg2352683
I don't really understand how inflation is going to happen if people already have too many loans?
Central banks printing money is one thing, but for that money to go into circulation it's quite another,
since there are not that many people able to take new loans and hence, help the newly printed money
go into circulation and ultimately cause inflation. I'd say that for the time being, it is only banks
that are being helped to remain afloat.
But then, I'm no expert and I am always willing to learn from more knowledgeable people.
Central banks printing money is one thing, but for that money to go into circulation it's quite another,
since there are not that many people able to take new loans and hence, help the newly printed money
go into circulation and ultimately cause inflation. I'd say that for the time being, it is only banks
that are being helped to remain afloat.
But then, I'm no expert and I am always willing to learn from more knowledgeable people.
It is not just inflation that is the worrying thing, it inflation along with a stagnant economy, stagflation. Stagflation is the phenomenon of high unemployment, low economic growth, and increasing prices of goods and services, these are things that should not happen according to Keynesian economics. In that economic model high unemployment should mean less people have money which would lower prices, and when the economy is booming it should make more people employed and thus increase inflation.
What most people fail to realize is that there are 2 economies of the world. There is the traditional lending business that banks do and the other business of speculating in financial markets, such as FOREX. If you compare the FOREX market with the traditional lending market you will see it is several times larger than the traditional economy.
http://www.henrymakow.com/margrit-kennedy-bernard-lietaer.jpg
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What is happening is that the central banks of the world are lending money to banks at low rates and instead of banks lending the money out for traditional loans, the banks are using it on speculative investing. This flow of capital into commodity and other markets increase the price of commodities and stocks, which causes inflation.
+1 , well said
@alexeft
Also note, that SHOULD the vast amounts of money created at the moment, at some time in the future get into the real economy as well, then brace yourself. We're running the risk of hyperinflation by then.
Bitcoin's actual utility compared to Gold or the dollar is worlds apart, we know this already. And so, the only actual advantage that gold/dollar have is that of it's perception by the majority. We know that Bitcoin is a better a store of value, and better to transmit value with.
Well, let's be honest amoung us, BTC-proponents (yes, I am a proponent):
1. The actual utility of bitcoin may in some cases be a bit better than that of gold, but it is certainly not when compared to the dollar. Or any other fiat currency. Bitcoin is far from that level of utility. If you don't see that, you need to have a better look.
2. Perception of the majority (and trust in any asset) is always the issue. Be it gold. Be it USD. Be it real estate. Be it Bitcoin - TOO !
3. Therefore, Bitcoin will only be able to serve as a "better store of value" and means (utility) if it is supported by the general public.
If people don't support or value an idea/phenomenon, both of us may WISH for Bitcoin to be better than anything else, but THEN it's simply not going to happen.
It even might turn out (if people would walk away from Bitcoin) that Bitcoin turns out to be a worse means to store value. I would not expect that to happen, but it CAN happen: you peoples' support. Yours, mine, everyone else's.
Fact of life, sorry if this should wake you up in a rude fashion
Perhaps, I don't know
Yet - I am closely looking at the long term semi-log chart. Both medium term and long term trend are still in place, but the medium term trend runs the risk of getting broken in the coming weeks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223860.0 If so, we could see significantly lower prices $32- $64. Well, that's my take at this moment.
Yet - I am closely looking at the long term semi-log chart. Both medium term and long term trend are still in place, but the medium term trend runs the risk of getting broken in the coming weeks. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223860.0 If so, we could see significantly lower prices $32- $64. Well, that's my take at this moment.
Quick update on my thoughts - long term, as we may be getting into a rollover in price again.
On the daily chart (normal scale) you'll already recognize a trend line break. But given the volatile nature of BTC, and its remarkable resilience so far, I tend not to read too much into the chart on normal scale. For those nonetheless interested, here it is:
http://imageshack.us/a/img41/6639/dailymtgox02062013norma.png
Instead - I am closely looking at the weekly chart on semi-log scale. Given the large percentage wise swings we're looking at. Here are your red alert levels to watch for the coming weeks. No trend broken, yet. Should the trendline be broken, however, then brace yourselves for a target of $32 - $64.
[ RSI and MACD (not shown here) show either a the old negative crossing (RSI) and an about-to-happen negative crossing (MACD). ]
http://imageshack.us/a/img13/1377/rszweeklymtgox02062013l.png
(sorry, but you will need to zoom with your browser to get a good look)
"And hey... Let's be careful out there!"
Willy
On the daily chart (normal scale) you'll already recognize a trend line break. But given the volatile nature of BTC, and its remarkable resilience so far, I tend not to read too much into the chart on normal scale. For those nonetheless interested, here it is:
http://imageshack.us/a/img41/6639/dailymtgox02062013norma.png
Instead - I am closely looking at the weekly chart on semi-log scale. Given the large percentage wise swings we're looking at. Here are your red alert levels to watch for the coming weeks. No trend broken, yet. Should the trendline be broken, however, then brace yourselves for a target of $32 - $64.
[ RSI and MACD (not shown here) show either a the old negative crossing (RSI) and an about-to-happen negative crossing (MACD). ]
http://imageshack.us/a/img13/1377/rszweeklymtgox02062013l.png
(sorry, but you will need to zoom with your browser to get a good look)
"And hey... Let's be careful out there!"
Willy
Thanks for your data analysis.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, though. If you're trying to say that BTC will keep rising in a similar fashion, then let me just add a word of caution: thinking things will be the way they always have been, is a inherent flaw in the thinking of us, humans. It may have saved us thousands of years ago out there on the Savannah ("if I see the grass moving, I start running for my life. It could be a tiger, or just the wind, but my running at least has never got me killed") but that doesn't make it valid reasoning.
Never undererstimate reality, Bitcoin could remain on that 10% track, or it could simply not.
Always be prepared to adopt the unthinkable, that's basically what I'd like to address.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, though. If you're trying to say that BTC will keep rising in a similar fashion, then let me just add a word of caution: thinking things will be the way they always have been, is a inherent flaw in the thinking of us, humans. It may have saved us thousands of years ago out there on the Savannah ("if I see the grass moving, I start running for my life. It could be a tiger, or just the wind, but my running at least has never got me killed") but that doesn't make it valid reasoning.
Never undererstimate reality, Bitcoin could remain on that 10% track, or it could simply not.
Always be prepared to adopt the unthinkable, that's basically what I'd like to address.
This is bad for bitcoin. Very bad.
It shows that the US goverment is fed up with virtual currencies that can be used for money laundering. And bitcoin is even MORE anonymous than LR was.
I think this is a bad sign and bitcoin is in trouble.
Look at the trend:
- US govt freezes dwolla account of MtGox
- LR shut down by US govt
- OKPay announces it will stop working with bitcoin (US govt involved??)
That's three less ways you can exchange US dollars for bitcoin.
What comes next?
- US stops international bank wires to bitcoin exchanges
- US shuts down campbx and bitinstant
- US cracks down on local bitcoin sales through localbitcoins
- US companies are banned from accepting bitcoin as payment
Bitcoin crashes and goes away.
It shows that the US goverment is fed up with virtual currencies that can be used for money laundering. And bitcoin is even MORE anonymous than LR was.
I think this is a bad sign and bitcoin is in trouble.
Look at the trend:
- US govt freezes dwolla account of MtGox
- LR shut down by US govt
- OKPay announces it will stop working with bitcoin (US govt involved??)
That's three less ways you can exchange US dollars for bitcoin.
What comes next?
- US stops international bank wires to bitcoin exchanges
- US shuts down campbx and bitinstant
- US cracks down on local bitcoin sales through localbitcoins
- US companies are banned from accepting bitcoin as payment
Bitcoin crashes and goes away.
I see what you are doing, want cheap coins right?
I wouldn't say so. The remarks mgio makes are genuine concerns for the future of Bitcoin. (Well, i.e. a future in which it might be widely used by the general public, instead of being used by just the geeky early adopters. A very dim future is also a future, you might say, but I think we'd all prefer a really bright future for BTC).
Should recent developments be all part of a bigger scheme, then you'd better not be "stuck" with your bitcoins. [Yeah, start bashing me now
] Worst case I'm afraid one day we'll wake up, noticing that the Japanese have shut down MtGox's bank accounts alltogether - this being just a "friendly gesture" towards their US counterparts in Government. They simply wouldn't care a bit.Not seeing the risks that are mounting indeed, is not being wise IMHO.
Re: OKPay to stop processing transfers to/from all Bitcoin exchanges
that this OKPay withdrawal is just another part of the tactical manouevres undertaken by Government institutions to crack down on Bitcoin.
Is there any evidence for that? or is that your TFH talking?
You should read a bit more carefully: I am only posing a possibility.
Re: OKPay to stop processing transfers to/from all Bitcoin exchanges
Yikes!! indeed.
Though I don't know how much OKPay accounts for volume wise, this is again one of those nasty little developments added to the list.
I wouldn't be surprised to see -at a certain point in time, so with the benefit of hindsight, of course...- that this OKPay withdrawal is just another part of the tactical manouevres undertaken by Government institutions to crack down on Bitcoin. Would the Japanese be next to hit MtGox big time (and thereby trying to hit BTC as they would like to sell you their "lovely deflationary yen" as an alternative
? )
Yes, I think BTC will survive such Government crackdown, but the only question is: in what shape will it be afterwards?
We'll see.
Though I don't know how much OKPay accounts for volume wise, this is again one of those nasty little developments added to the list.
I wouldn't be surprised to see -at a certain point in time, so with the benefit of hindsight, of course...- that this OKPay withdrawal is just another part of the tactical manouevres undertaken by Government institutions to crack down on Bitcoin. Would the Japanese be next to hit MtGox big time (and thereby trying to hit BTC as they would like to sell you their "lovely deflationary yen" as an alternative
? )Yes, I think BTC will survive such Government crackdown, but the only question is: in what shape will it be afterwards?
We'll see.
Here is my take on the situation...
If BTC is EVER going to be a currency (instead of a commodity that it is right now) we are in desperate need of a TRUE spreading amoung a vast amount of exchanges. I'd like to see more than 50 exchanges (at least) in order to be able to talk about some independent price formation, and stability from within the system.
YET...
For the time being, any Mt.Gox assault by either/and US/Japanese authorities WILL pose a major setback to BTC. As long as it lasts, I know, but IT WILL. There is simply NO way ordinary people are going to adopt BTC when exchanges are either unreliable, filing fraudulent bank enrollment forms, closing after some months, etc. etc.
Bitcoin deserves better than what we've seen over the past weeks.
But let's be honest: it will fail in an epic way if the problems about exchanges won't get addressed at last... And let's be honest once more: that is a problem when having such a decentralized currency... All we can hope for is enterpreneurs willing to setup competing exchanges, and to conduct their business in a moral & lawful way.
I just can HOPE for the better.
Meanwhile, I would not be surprised to pick up BTC at a WAY lower price before the dust settles... Double digits might well be on their way IMHO. And meanwhile, I am also reducing my risks/exposure and/or uplifting my profit potentials by partially positioning myself into Ripple as well (now don't laugh -yes, that IS legitimate, and it is in fact a BUSINESS well run, contrary to the fukcing-up by Mt.Gox)
To those whom it may concern,
Willy
If BTC is EVER going to be a currency (instead of a commodity that it is right now) we are in desperate need of a TRUE spreading amoung a vast amount of exchanges. I'd like to see more than 50 exchanges (at least) in order to be able to talk about some independent price formation, and stability from within the system.
YET...
For the time being, any Mt.Gox assault by either/and US/Japanese authorities WILL pose a major setback to BTC. As long as it lasts, I know, but IT WILL. There is simply NO way ordinary people are going to adopt BTC when exchanges are either unreliable, filing fraudulent bank enrollment forms, closing after some months, etc. etc.
Bitcoin deserves better than what we've seen over the past weeks.
But let's be honest: it will fail in an epic way if the problems about exchanges won't get addressed at last... And let's be honest once more: that is a problem when having such a decentralized currency... All we can hope for is enterpreneurs willing to setup competing exchanges, and to conduct their business in a moral & lawful way.
I just can HOPE for the better.
Meanwhile, I would not be surprised to pick up BTC at a WAY lower price before the dust settles... Double digits might well be on their way IMHO. And meanwhile, I am also reducing my risks/exposure and/or uplifting my profit potentials by partially positioning myself into Ripple as well (now don't laugh -yes, that IS legitimate, and it is in fact a BUSINESS well run, contrary to the fukcing-up by Mt.Gox)
To those whom it may concern,
Willy
Think about it... people will FINALLY stop using Gox! OTC and other exchanges will finally rise to the occasion. People will stop making chicken/egg excuses like "lol volume" or completely made up excuses like "there is no US based exchange" or "no US based exchange accepts X funding method."
One exchange having 80% of market share was NOT healthy for bitcoin. Gox needs to crash and die before Bitcoin can succeed!
One exchange having 80% of market share was NOT healthy for bitcoin. Gox needs to crash and die before Bitcoin can succeed!
I second that. If BTC is EVER going to be a currency (instead of a commodity that it is right now) we are in desperate need of TRUE spreading amoung a vast amount of exchanges. I'd like to see more than 50 exchanges (at least) in order to be able to talk about an independent price formation.
YET...
For the time being, a Mt.Gox assault by either / and US/Japanese authorities WILL pose a major setback to BTC. As long as it lasts, I know, but IT WILL. There is NO way ordinary people are going to adopt BTC when exchanges are either unreliable, filing fraudulent bank enrollment forms, closing after some months, etc. etc.
Bitcoin deserves better than what we've seen over the past weeks. But let's be honest: it will fail in an epic way if the problems don't get addressed. And let's be honest once more: that is a problem when having such a decentralized currency... All we can hope for is enterpreneurs willing to setup competing exchanges, and to conduct their business in a moral & lawful way. I just can HOPE for the better. Meanwhile, I would not be surprised to pick up BTC at a WAY lower price before the dust settles... And meanwhile, I am partially positioning myself into Ripple as well (now don't laugh - it IS legitimate, and it is a BUSINESS, contrary to the fukcing-up by Mt.Gox)