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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 13/08/2025, 13:56:20 UTC
In other words, is the ownership of the one who finds the key second (from the transaction) legitimate? My subjective opinion is no. Since this does not meet the main purpose of the puzzle (testing the security of keys) and such a condition for acquiring ownership of the reward is not explicitly stipulated by the creator of the puzzle.


This is a loophole in the puzzle's design, not a flaw in Bitcoin itself. The solver’s failure to protect their claim (e.g., by using tools like Mara or broadcasting with high fees) could be seen as negligence in a competitive environment. This ambiguity is why clear rules (or better puzzle designs) are needed. Without them, the "law of the jungle" (or in this case, the law of the mempool) prevails.


The creator’s statement clarifies:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg18765941#msg18765941

The puzzle is a measuring instrument for the "cracking strength of the community."

It rewards brute-force tools (like the "Large Bitcoin Collider"), not mempool-sniping bots.

There’s no mention of RBF, transaction racing, or ownership transfer via mempool spies.

This implies the creator intended the reward to go to whoever cryptographically solves the key and not to opportunistic bots that exploit transaction propagation.

The creator could argue:

The bot did not solve the puzzle as intended.

It exploited a loophole (mempool snooping) unrelated to cryptographic security.

This violates the spirit of the experiment (transaction racing).


If the creator’s identity is known, they might try to argue theft under "unauthorized access" laws but this is untested.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 11/08/2025, 15:57:29 UTC
these puzzles are "illegal", a "scam" or "impossible"

Yo, even if you crack the code, who’s to say you’ll even get the bag? That’s mad sus. How’s that a fair race? Straight-up scam vibes. 💯
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 08/08/2025, 19:45:30 UTC
In about 10-20 seconds you will be left with nothing.

I just need someone to convince me that this is ethical. So far, no one has been able to prove to me that it’s legal.  Roll Eyes
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 14/07/2025, 04:40:27 UTC
trust me bro Grin

The Bitcoin puzzle could be a CIA honeypot to catch hackers brute-forcing keys.  Trust me bro Grin
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 13/07/2025, 07:27:48 UTC
What to do if I found the Public Key and Private Key?

Let the bots and thieves take everything.  Grin
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 12/07/2025, 10:14:49 UTC
Is this a conspiracy?  Tongue

No way. This is a fairly well-designed game. hahahahaha
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 12/07/2025, 09:18:59 UTC
Can’t wait to hear how the real trick was just ~vibing~ harder while the rest of us out here actually doing math. So clutch. Tongue

Everyone here is lying about some progress, or they are supporting the creator of this puzzle in his illegal madness, trying to brute-force BTC keys.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 01/07/2025, 08:36:22 UTC
the same dude? Tongue

Dude? Nah, she's a woman.  Grin

I know that. So far, I haven't been able to connect Marguerite to this case. There is no clear cryptographic linkage between the addresses in this chain. We only see the large puzzle transaction from 1Czoy… splitting funds to a broad set of addresses. To prove exact links, examining the raw transaction outputs is the only reliable method. Crucially, based on public blockchain data, there is no direct cryptographic chain from 1Czoy… to 1A4T… and then to 1FLAMEN…
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 29/06/2025, 07:39:37 UTC
I'm the queen of England.

Then you need to change your sanitary pads.



I am the creator.

You are quite right, 161-256 are silly.  I honestly just did not think of this.  What is especially embarrassing, is this did not occur to me once, in two years.  By way of excuse, I was not really thinking much about the puzzle at all.

I will make up for two years of stupidity.  I will spend from 161-256 to the unsolved parts, as you suggest.  In addition, I intend to add further funds.  My aim is to boost the density by a factor of 10, from 0.001*length(key) to 0.01*length(key).  Probably in the next few weeks.  At any rate, when I next have an extended period of quiet and calm, to construct the new transaction carefully.

A few words about the puzzle.  There is no pattern.  It is just consecutive keys from a deterministic wallet (masked with leading 000...0001 to set difficulty).  It is simply a crude measuring instrument, of the cracking strength of the community.

Finally, I wish to express appreciation of the efforts of all developers of new cracking tools and technology.  The "large bitcoin collider" is especially innovative and interesting!


If the creator explicitly designs a challenge where participants are invited to solve a cryptographic puzzle (e.g., through mathematical patterns, encryption, or deliberate clues), it is generally considered a legal competition. The owner consents to the transfer of funds upon successful decryption.

Example: Bitcoin "brain wallets" with passphrases, CTF (Capture The Flag) challenges.

If the "puzzle" is merely a disguised brute-force attack (e.g., trying random private keys until one works), this could be seen as unauthorized access to a financial instrument. Since Bitcoin private keys are mathematically derived (not "created" in a traditional sense), brute-forcing them without consent may violate: Computer Fraud and Abuse Laws (e.g., CFAA in the U.S.) if interpreted as unauthorized access.Theft or Conversion Laws if funds are taken without the owner’s explicit permission.

The creator claims there is "no pattern," meaning it’s essentially a brute-force challenge. While they frame it as a "measuring instrument," the act of distributing funds this way could be seen as:

If participants invest resources (electricity, hardware) for a chance to win, it might violate gambling laws in some jurisdictions.

If the creator did not legally relinquish ownership (e.g., via a smart contract or binding terms), brute-forcing the key might still be considered theft.

If the owner did not clearly relinquish ownership (e.g., by publishing a signed transaction or legal agreement), taking funds may be unlawful.

Intent: If the puzzle is structured as a brute-force attack rather than a solvable riddle, it could be argued that the creator is inducing illegal activity.

Jurisdiction: Laws vary by country. Some may view this as a harmless game, while others could treat it as theft or hacking.

Even if legal, brute-forcing random keys could harm innocent holders (e.g., if a solver accidentally cracks a key unrelated to the puzzle).

The Bitcoin community generally frowns upon non-consensual key cracking, as it undermines trust in cryptographic security.

The Bitcoin Puzzle is a controversial edge case. While the creator presents it as a "game," brute-forcing keys without explicit consent could be legally risky. If challenged in court, a judge might rule that:

The creator’s invitation does not override property rights.

Solvers who take funds without unambiguous permission could be liable for theft.

For absolute legality, puzzles should involve provable consent (e.g., signed messages, smart contracts) rather than raw brute-force incentives.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 27/06/2025, 07:38:30 UTC
What if we wake up tomorrow and someone signs multiple messages with addresses 140 to 160 saying he/she is the rightful owner of these coins, it was never a challenge, never intended for it to be bruteforced, an unfortunate circumstance happened and he/she went to jail for the last 10years, released recently and found out people are bruteforcing his/her coins, has now made a complaint to the authorities about this....
Would you still believe that bitcointalk forum post Huh
I think peoples' greed and lack of money clouds their judgment here.
If the owner wanted to prove legitimate ownership to these coins, nothing stops him signing a message with addresses 150, 155 and 160, state his intent about the coins and paste in a public forum.

A cryptographically signed message from a Bitcoin address is the strongest possible proof . Courts and investigators increasingly recognize such signatures as valid evidence (similar to a digital notarization). A forum post alone carries no weight without cryptographic verification.  If the coins are genuinely "lost," courts may view brute-forcing as akin to finding abandoned property. However, if an owner emerges with proof, the brute-forcer could face liability for theft or unjust enrichment. If someone falsely claims ownership without cryptographic proof, they could face civil fraud claims or criminal charges (e.g., filing a false police report).
Courts treat BTC like money or assets, not "abandoned treasure." The risks far outweigh the fantasy rewards.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 27/06/2025, 00:49:54 UTC
“Unauthorized access” only occurs when you defeat a safeguard without the owner’s permission.
The puzzle creator has already said “first to crack the key keeps the coins,” which is explicit consent, exactly like a bug-bounty program inviting you to hack their test server. Contract law treats that as a unilateral offer: perform the task, keep the reward. Once consent is public, brute-forcing the key is neither theft nor computer misuse, because the owner has waived exclusivity and the only “system” you touch is the open blockchain.

Here:
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act — 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a): every CFAA offense hinges on accessing a computer “without authorization” or “exceeding authorized access.” If the owner invites you to try, that element is missing. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

And there:
DOJ charging policy for the CFAA (19 May 2022): prosecutors are told not to bring charges for “good-faith security research” when the owner has authorized the activity. https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-new-policy-charging-cases-under-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act


The puzzle creator’s public statement might imply consent, but unless it’s a legally binding contract (with clear terms, jurisdiction, and revocation mechanisms), authorities could still argue the method of access (e.g., brute-forcing) violates computer crime statutes. Courts often interpret “authorization” narrowly, e.g., Van Buren v. United States (2021) highlighted ambiguities in what exceeds "authorized access."

While the DOJ’s 2022 policy discourages charges for "good-faith security research," brute-forcing a private key lacks the same recognized public benefit as vulnerability disclosure. The policy also explicitly excludes "malicious" acts, and prosecutors might view unsanctioned access to funds (even via puzzles) as financially motivated rather than research.

Even if CFAA liability is avoided, criminal theft laws (e.g., state statutes) could apply. Most jurisdictions require explicit, lawful transfer of property. Cracking a key isn’t a traditional legal mechanism. The creator’s intent might not override statutory definitions of theft or fraud.

Unlike a test server in a bug bounty, the blockchain is a public ledger; the "system" accessed is the network itself. If the wallet’s security relies on cryptographic safeguards, bypassing them could be argued as circumventing a "technological barrier" under laws like the DMCA §1201 (though this is untested for puzzles).

Think about it for 2 seconds, these are addresses whose private keys are very limited in their range and created specifically to make them easier to find. What don't you understand about the law? It's written in black and white.


I have thought about it. And as someone who works in cybercrime investigations, I can tell you the law isn’t as binary as "the creator said it’s okay, so it’s legal." The law is written in black and white, but the words say "authorization," not "vibes." Unless the creator formalized this as a binding offer (a smart contract with explicit terms), you’re relying on not getting caught, not legal immunity.

Brute-forcing a key isn’t a recognized legal mechanism.

The creator’s intent might be clear to you, but courts need evidence of a valid contract or gift. If the private key is hidden within a puzzle or image (steganography, riddles, or cryptographic clues) and publicly posted (like GSMG.IO puzzle) by the owner, that’s fundamentally different from brute-forcing under the law.
Puzzle-solving = The owner deliberately encodes the key and invites solvers to extract it. This is closer to a unilateral contract ("Solve this, claim the prize").

If a company posts a puzzle on its website, that’s strong evidence of consent. Courts recognize "invited access" . Brute-forcing lacks this clarity. Even weak keys don’t prove the owner authorized all methods of access.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 26/06/2025, 22:11:21 UTC
“Unauthorized access” only occurs when you defeat a safeguard without the owner’s permission.
The puzzle creator has already said “first to crack the key keeps the coins,” which is explicit consent, exactly like a bug-bounty program inviting you to hack their test server. Contract law treats that as a unilateral offer: perform the task, keep the reward. Once consent is public, brute-forcing the key is neither theft nor computer misuse, because the owner has waived exclusivity and the only “system” you touch is the open blockchain.

Here:
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act — 18 U.S.C. § 1030(a): every CFAA offense hinges on accessing a computer “without authorization” or “exceeding authorized access.” If the owner invites you to try, that element is missing. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

And there:
DOJ charging policy for the CFAA (19 May 2022): prosecutors are told not to bring charges for “good-faith security research” when the owner has authorized the activity. https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-new-policy-charging-cases-under-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act


The puzzle creator’s public statement might imply consent, but unless it’s a legally binding contract (with clear terms, jurisdiction, and revocation mechanisms), authorities could still argue the method of access (e.g., brute-forcing) violates computer crime statutes. Courts often interpret “authorization” narrowly, e.g., Van Buren v. United States (2021) highlighted ambiguities in what exceeds "authorized access."

While the DOJ’s 2022 policy discourages charges for "good-faith security research," brute-forcing a private key lacks the same recognized public benefit as vulnerability disclosure. The policy also explicitly excludes "malicious" acts, and prosecutors might view unsanctioned access to funds (even via puzzles) as financially motivated rather than research.

Even if CFAA liability is avoided, criminal theft laws (e.g., state statutes) could apply. Most jurisdictions require explicit, lawful transfer of property. Cracking a key isn’t a traditional legal mechanism. The creator’s intent might not override statutory definitions of theft or fraud.

Unlike a test server in a bug bounty, the blockchain is a public ledger; the "system" accessed is the network itself. If the wallet’s security relies on cryptographic safeguards, bypassing them could be argued as circumventing a "technological barrier" under laws like the DMCA §1201 (though this is untested for puzzles).
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 26/06/2025, 21:18:41 UTC
So can I steal this magic internet money or not?

If you live in Mongolia, it's probably safe.  Grin
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 26/06/2025, 20:31:06 UTC
@kTimesG Having a valid signature may satisfy the Bitcoin protocol, but off-chain it’s still treated as theft.

It's not theft if it never belonged to the one who claimed it theft.

I'd start there. By this logic, all the guys who solved puzzles so far are thieves.

By the same logic, if I add funds to private key 42, and I call it my assets, then I should sue whoever transfers the funds in the very next block. Correct?

Geez.


The creator of a "Bitcoin puzzle" (where funds are locked behind a private key that must be brute-forced) is intentionally creating a scenario where theft is incentivized. Even if they frame it as a game or challenge, the legal reality is:

They knowingly put funds in a position where unauthorized access is the only way to claim them.

They are effectively encouraging hacking/unauthorized access, which is illegal in most jurisdictions (e.g., under computer fraud, unauthorized access, or theft laws).


If the puzzle creator never relinquished ownership (e.g., by clearly stating "this is not yours until you solve X"), then solving the puzzle does not grant legal ownership, it’s still theft.

If they implied abandonment (e.g., "Whoever finds this can have it"), then it might be a gray area, but most legal systems don’t recognize brute-forcing as a legitimate claim method.

The puzzle creator could be legally liable because:

They structured a scheme that requires illegal actions (unauthorized access) to claim funds.

They knowingly set up a system that violates computer crime laws (e.g., CFAA in the U.S., similar laws in the EU/UK).

They may be seen as an accomplice to theft by deliberately creating conditions where theft is the only way to obtain the funds.


The puzzle creator is not innocent, they designed a system that requires illegal actions to claim funds. While they might argue it’s a "game," the law doesn’t generally recognize brute-forcing private keys as a legitimate way to transfer ownership.


It's not correct and you are mixing up “unauthorized access” with a public bounty.

The puzzle creator openly puts the coins in addresses meant to be cracked and even thanks the community for building new cracking tools. That is an implied green light: the only way to claim the prize is to derive the key, and the owner clearly intends that to happen. No computer system is being broken into and the funds are not protected by anything but the puzzle itself, so there is no “unauthorized access” under computer-crime laws. It is a public bounty, not theft.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg18765941#msg18765941

While the puzzle creator may intend for the funds to be claimed by cracking the key, that doesn’t automatically make it legal. Most jurisdictions don’t recognize brute-forcing as a valid way to transfer ownership. It’s still technically unauthorized access under computer crime laws. The creator’s forum posts might show intent, but unless they structured this as a binding contract or explicit waiver, the law could still view solvers as committing theft. In practice, nobody gets prosecuted because Bitcoin is pseudonymous and the creator isn’t complaining, but that doesn’t make it legally safe.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 26/06/2025, 20:08:19 UTC
@kTimesG Having a valid signature may satisfy the Bitcoin protocol, but off-chain it’s still treated as theft.

It's not theft if it never belonged to the one who claimed it theft.

I'd start there. By this logic, all the guys who solved puzzles so far are thieves.

By the same logic, if I add funds to private key 42, and I call it my assets, then I should sue whoever transfers the funds in the very next block. Correct?

Geez.


The creator of a "Bitcoin puzzle" (where funds are locked behind a private key that must be brute-forced) is intentionally creating a scenario where theft is incentivized. Even if they frame it as a game or challenge, the legal reality is:

They knowingly put funds in a position where unauthorized access is the only way to claim them.

They are effectively encouraging hacking/unauthorized access, which is illegal in most jurisdictions (e.g., under computer fraud, unauthorized access, or theft laws).


If the puzzle creator never relinquished ownership (e.g., by clearly stating "this is not yours until you solve X"), then solving the puzzle does not grant legal ownership, it’s still theft.

If they implied abandonment (e.g., "Whoever finds this can have it"), then it might be a gray area, but most legal systems don’t recognize brute-forcing as a legitimate claim method.

The puzzle creator could be legally liable because:

They structured a scheme that requires illegal actions (unauthorized access) to claim funds.

They knowingly set up a system that violates computer crime laws (e.g., CFAA in the U.S., similar laws in the EU/UK).

They may be seen as an accomplice to theft by deliberately creating conditions where theft is the only way to obtain the funds.


The puzzle creator is not innocent, they designed a system that requires illegal actions to claim funds. While they might argue it’s a "game," the law doesn’t generally recognize brute-forcing private keys as a legitimate way to transfer ownership.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 26/06/2025, 18:40:30 UTC
This is the kind of reasoning used by those who say, "I'm not a thief for stealing his wallet; it's not my fault that the fool fell asleep with his wallet in his hand"

Obviously, it's unethical and immoral.
It's like breaking into a friend's house, seeing his seed, and stealing it, then saying he should have been more careful.

Now that it has no legal implications, that is something else.

Satoshi himself kindly disagrees. Whoever has the key, owns the funds. Now, my friend should just use private key 0x01 and transfer his life savings into that address, right? No one will ever touch it.

Last time I checked, it wasn't unethical or illegal to add two numbers together.

What's next, unethical to use quantum computers to break all cryptocurrencies? Seriously? You'd need to have a word with China about how non-ethical it is to break RSA first, since they just did that, before getting slammed by all big tech giants following along.

Take the coins from someone you know and let them know it was you. See if the law says the coins belong to the person with the key. You'll probably be arrested, as is normal for a crime.

What Satoshi said is a philosophical and technical approach to the idea that anyone with your keys can spend them, because that's actually the case. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have ethical and legal implications.

Does anyone really think the creator of this puzzle didn’t anticipate what would happen with any puzzle under 100 bits? I’m still convinced this was a pre-planned scam. Unless the puzzle’s creator personally convinces me here otherwise.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 26/06/2025, 12:15:06 UTC
I can solve your pubKey (or any other 75-bit public key for that matter) in at most 10 seconds from the moment it's grabbed from the mempool initial TX.


And the Philosopher, Alberto and Nomachine, they just remain quiet on the topic of bots. Even though they were the first here to discuss it. Tongue

Maybe they’re tired of grindin’ in the terminal for just 30 bucks  Grin
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 20/06/2025, 07:36:07 UTC
I would also say that solving 80 bits, with some proper Tame precomputed database (with way less than half a billion DPs) takes much less than 20 seconds, even on a budget GPU. There is a precise balance where having too many DPs (of lower bits) is not beneficial, and having fewer DPs (of higher bits) is better overall.

Yep. But now, let’s say you’ve got a bot with a pre-calculated DP. Puzzle 71 can be solved in, like, 2 seconds on a CPU as soon as the public key pops up. It’s a huge problem if folks ain’t using MARA slipstream, if you ask me.  Wink

Provided that anyone ever solves puzzle 71.  Tongue

Even if you solve it, it’s uncertain who will get the prize. So how does that fit into a fair puzzle race? This is the perfect example of a scam.
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 15/06/2025, 19:02:32 UTC
It was literally designed to be even more solvable by reducing the range and exposing pub keys.

Give me the public key for puzzle 71
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Re: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it
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Wanderingaran
on 15/06/2025, 13:33:28 UTC
This puzzle gives you an understanding of the beauty of Mathematics. I am very glad that it exists. I think one address will be Mine! There are a huge number of options to search for.



I've been watching everything that's happening here since 2016, all the Ideas that you propose and dispute. Interesting. The Creator has given a field of action, Want to be rich, be the first to figure out how to deal with 16 numbers. Thanks to Him the Creator for His generosity, and to everyone who is trying to find a method that can give wealth for many centuries for all children and children from children.

While I admire your passion for the puzzle, statistically speaking, you might have better odds of winning the lottery than cracking a 16-number mystery designed to be unsolvable. At least with the lottery, the rules are clear....