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Re: [ANN] Blocktix - An Ethereum event hosting platform designed for the real world
So words on the street is that there is a BlockTix WeChat group and that BlockTix is about to be listed on a Chinese exchange.
Anyone know what exchange it is going to be?
Anyone know what exchange it is going to be?
its not trolling or fud when you are trying to understand the product. there were clear problems in the initial proposal. just because you want to invest & had good interactions with whocares doesnt translate into non questioning undying love from the larger community. trust is earned not demanded. also some people made money with GAW but it doesnt mean it was right
you have to separate people from ideas. ridiculing ideas is perfectly fine and should be done. no idea is perfect from the get go, it has to evolve to be a good one. the doctor might have good intentions but it needs real work. reason for extra scrutiny is due to the fact that some people from the HT community tried to regain their losses by starting ponzis and other scams (tntcoin and what not). to the doctors credit he didnt remove all posts from his thread and communicated in a way that could gain him trust and respect in the long run. role of the dev was left quite unclear. was he there to generate value for his other project, hired to just dev it or what. because they shared one account to post it turned very convoluted. transparency > *
ps:
garza told a terminally ill person to invest his nest egg after his initial investment into GAW. that guy lost his legacy due to the overall attitude of not asking questions. (to make it less sad one guy from the "original 19" gave him 10k to leave something behind for his wife)
you have to separate people from ideas. ridiculing ideas is perfectly fine and should be done. no idea is perfect from the get go, it has to evolve to be a good one. the doctor might have good intentions but it needs real work. reason for extra scrutiny is due to the fact that some people from the HT community tried to regain their losses by starting ponzis and other scams (tntcoin and what not). to the doctors credit he didnt remove all posts from his thread and communicated in a way that could gain him trust and respect in the long run. role of the dev was left quite unclear. was he there to generate value for his other project, hired to just dev it or what. because they shared one account to post it turned very convoluted. transparency > *
ps:
garza told a terminally ill person to invest his nest egg after his initial investment into GAW. that guy lost his legacy due to the overall attitude of not asking questions. (to make it less sad one guy from the "original 19" gave him 10k to leave something behind for his wife)
Thank you, saved me typing my own response
Bagholding is a very bad motivation, worse than the other big reason why people get into crypto (greed). A bagholder trying to recover his/her lost "investment" by cooking up another scheme is like a gambler who just lost a yolo bet and is borrowing money to win it all back. Would you lend money to such person?
All those post-XPY schemes should be considered more dangerous than any other shitcoin for that reason alone IMHO.
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I do not disagree with what many of you have stated. I would like to respond to some of the replies. I did lose some on Paycoin and ignored the warning signs, big mistake but it wasn't much money. I bought an account because I think if I post with my real account I will be ridiculed for a mistake I made and do not wish to have my personal life brought into your thread.
In response to another couple of comments, yes I am aware of the guy with terminal cancer that Josh screwed. I cannot remember his name on HT but I think it started with the letter "T' and I believe he did some design work. I am also aware that you guys were on JG before the emails were leaked or made available and I apologized in a previous post, if I didn't then I apologize now.
In response to another couple of comments, yes I am aware of the guy with terminal cancer that Josh screwed. I cannot remember his name on HT but I think it started with the letter "T' and I believe he did some design work. I am also aware that you guys were on JG before the emails were leaked or made available and I apologized in a previous post, if I didn't then I apologize now.
His screen name was Trixster and was also active a bit on the GetHashing forums as well.
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I was one of the guys that was on HT for a long time and saw many people come and go. I do know that many on the GAW thread have been ridiculed for trying to help those that did lose. Just because people have a desire to try and get a coin back on its feet and that coin was a HUGE scam by JG does not mean they are a scammer. I also see your points that it will be exceedingly difficult because it is a flawed coin to begin with.
This just comes back to doing the things that need to be done and helping in the most effective way and facing whatever people are going to say head on and make no apologies about it. If someone is going to try to embarrass you how are they going to succeed if you are open and upfront about the things that you are doing? Hack into your emails and release all your private information? What if everything in private is exactly the same things said in public?
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I do see the point that it is definitely a riskier endeavor to invest in an HT members coin than someone that did not potentially lose money on Paycoin. Once again, you are assuming that Whocares lost money, when in reality it was stated on multiple threads by a lot of members that Whocares didn't even start on Paycoin until late in the game.
If Whocares does have good intentions and you have good intentions (preventing scams and protecting people), wouldn't it have been easier to contact him or another team member and say "listen, many of us have a problem with you coming out with a coin that resembles Paycoin, particularly since you were an active HT member. We strongly advise you to rethink the coin" or hell, maybe even add in a small incentive (aka threat) like "or we will haunt you down like that scumbag JG'
If Whocares does have good intentions and you have good intentions (preventing scams and protecting people), wouldn't it have been easier to contact him or another team member and say "listen, many of us have a problem with you coming out with a coin that resembles Paycoin, particularly since you were an active HT member. We strongly advise you to rethink the coin" or hell, maybe even add in a small incentive (aka threat) like "or we will haunt you down like that scumbag JG'
If you contact someone privately asking them if it's a scam and they tell you it isn't, then that will not make it a scam? What if you asked the wrong questions and the information provided was false but you believed it and then other people based their judgments on your personal analysis?
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That at least gives an honest person something to consider and allows them to respond. I can tell you from my point of view, I am scared to death of you guys and want none of you crawling up my ass, not because I am scared of what you will find but because I do not want to deal with the embarassment that I have seen on the GAW thread because I made a dumb ass move.
You should never be scared to hide information because you are afraid of what other people might think or people would use that information to try to embarrass you. Information is only embarrassing if you deem it so, people pick up on this and jump on it, this is the internet and what people say about the things you do really does not matter in the slightest. Some of the best advice I was ever given was "to own your mistakes" because everyone is going to make mistakes, it's part of life but you cannot learn from your mistakes if you cannot face them, accept them and learn from them.
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I am not here to promote anyone or anything accept to possibly enlighten a few people that a different approach from some of you could do a lot of good for crypto and BCT. There is so much hate and trolling that it makes it impossible for someone that may have a good idea to foster that idea. I am not saying that scammers should get off easy or that 90+% of coins aren't scams.
Like I have said before, it is very obvious that many of you know crypto very well, I just think that your talents could also be used to benefit crypto in a positive way.
I pissed off Whocares/kilo17 on the Bitstone thread for making this thread because he said it was uncalled for and very inflammatory. So again I want to apologize for the OP. I have invited him to post here on the thread for what I think could be potentially invaluable feedback.
Like I have said before, it is very obvious that many of you know crypto very well, I just think that your talents could also be used to benefit crypto in a positive way.
I pissed off Whocares/kilo17 on the Bitstone thread for making this thread because he said it was uncalled for and very inflammatory. So again I want to apologize for the OP. I have invited him to post here on the thread for what I think could be potentially invaluable feedback.
"Hate and trolling" is the reality on the internet and if you cannot accept that and discuss the issues that people have a problem with in a mature manner then you should not be doing this kind of work. Face life head on, you will always come out ahead because if you are not then those things will build up until they get out of control.
You are saying that Whocares/kilo17 are angry because you are discussing these things, I see that as a red flag for investing in their project since they should be the ones answering peoples questions.
Valid points to debate. I think the dialog we are having is helping me understand for sure. While I do agree with you on most of your points, consider this: the first post on the BitStone thread were a link to an unmoderated thread- which I am not saying in and of itself was wrong, I am saying that in that thread it was nothing but a bunch of personal attacks and posts that were copied from the GAW thread. Those types of comments have no value to a coin release and most if not all were simply FUD.
Secondly, I do think the first posts from several of the GAW thread regulars on the BitStone thread were scam accusations and offered no real reasoning. Some of the posts after that had VERY valid points, no doubt. The problem in my eyes is this, if a person comes on a thread and the first post is SCAM then all post after that are soured. Having said that, it is exactly what I did on this thread and I appreciate you continuing to discuss matters with me.
Lastly, I apparently did not make myself clear. Kilo17 was angry at me for the OP (meaning the original post I made) - which most of you were also upset about.
I do appreciate your replies.
its not trolling or fud when you are trying to understand the product. there were clear problems in the initial proposal. just because you want to invest & had good interactions with whocares doesnt translate into non questioning undying love from the larger community. trust is earned not demanded. also some people made money with GAW but it doesnt mean it was right
you have to separate people from ideas. ridiculing ideas is perfectly fine and should be done. no idea is perfect from the get go, it has to evolve to be a good one. the doctor might have good intentions but it needs real work. reason for extra scrutiny is due to the fact that some people from the HT community tried to regain their losses by starting ponzis and other scams (tntcoin and what not). to the doctors credit he didnt remove all posts from his thread and communicated in a way that could gain him trust and respect in the long run. role of the dev was left quite unclear. was he there to generate value for his other project, hired to just dev it or what. because they shared one account to post it turned very convoluted. transparency > *
ps:
garza told a terminally ill person to invest his nest egg after his initial investment into GAW. that guy lost his legacy due to the overall attitude of not asking questions. (to make it less sad one guy from the "original 19" gave him 10k to leave something behind for his wife)
you have to separate people from ideas. ridiculing ideas is perfectly fine and should be done. no idea is perfect from the get go, it has to evolve to be a good one. the doctor might have good intentions but it needs real work. reason for extra scrutiny is due to the fact that some people from the HT community tried to regain their losses by starting ponzis and other scams (tntcoin and what not). to the doctors credit he didnt remove all posts from his thread and communicated in a way that could gain him trust and respect in the long run. role of the dev was left quite unclear. was he there to generate value for his other project, hired to just dev it or what. because they shared one account to post it turned very convoluted. transparency > *
ps:
garza told a terminally ill person to invest his nest egg after his initial investment into GAW. that guy lost his legacy due to the overall attitude of not asking questions. (to make it less sad one guy from the "original 19" gave him 10k to leave something behind for his wife)
Thank you, saved me typing my own response
Bagholding is a very bad motivation, worse than the other big reason why people get into crypto (greed). A bagholder trying to recover his/her lost "investment" by cooking up another scheme is like a gambler who just lost a yolo bet and is borrowing money to win it all back. Would you lend money to such person?
All those post-XPY schemes should be considered more dangerous than any other shitcoin for that reason alone IMHO.
I do not disagree with what many of you have stated. I would like to respond to some of the replies. I did lose some on Paycoin and ignored the warning signs, big mistake but it wasn't much money. I bought an account because I think if I post with my real account I will be ridiculed for a mistake I made and do not wish to have my personal life brought into your thread.
In response to another couple of comments, yes I am aware of the guy with terminal cancer that Josh screwed. I cannot remember his name on HT but I think it started with the letter "T' and I believe he did some design work. I am also aware that you guys were on JG before the emails were leaked or made available and I apologized in a previous post, if I didn't then I apologize now.
I was one of the guys that was on HT for a long time and saw many people come and go. I do know that many on the GAW thread have been ridiculed for trying to help those that did lose. Just because people have a desire to try and get a coin back on its feet and that coin was a HUGE scam by JG does not mean they are a scammer. I also see your points that it will be exceedingly difficult because it is a flawed coin to begin with.
I do see the point that it is definitely a riskier endeavor to invest in an HT members coin than someone that did not potentially lose money on Paycoin. Once again, you are assuming that Whocares lost money, when in reality it was stated on multiple threads by a lot of members that Whocares didn't even start on Paycoin until late in the game.
If Whocares does have good intentions and you have good intentions (preventing scams and protecting people), wouldn't it have been easier to contact him or another team member and say "listen, many of us have a problem with you coming out with a coin that resembles Paycoin, particularly since you were an active HT member. We strongly advise you to rethink the coin" or hell, maybe even add in a small incentive (aka threat) like "or we will haunt you down like that scumbag JG'
That at least gives an honest person something to consider and allows them to respond. I can tell you from my point of view, I am scared to death of you guys and want none of you crawling up my ass, not because I am scared of what you will find but because I do not want to deal with the embarassment that I have seen on the GAW thread because I made a dumb ass move.
I am not here to promote anyone or anything accept to possibly enlighten a few people that a different approach from some of you could do a lot of good for crypto and BCT. There is so much hate and trolling that it makes it impossible for someone that may have a good idea to foster that idea. I am not saying that scammers should get off easy or that 90+% of coins aren't scams.
Like I have said before, it is very obvious that many of you know crypto very well, I just think that your talents could also be used to benefit crypto in a positive way.
I pissed off Whocares/kilo17 on the Bitstone thread for making this thread because he said it was uncalled for and very inflammatory. So again I want to apologize for the OP. I have invited him to post here on the thread for what I think could be potentially invaluable feedback.
Actually it is a purchased account, but wrong on both counts. It is neither an account for Bitstone or JG. I was screwed by Josh and like I have said I think what you accomplished with exposing him is a great thing. I have not read much of the thread on GAW because I think it attacks a lot of the wrong people. I am not talking about Josh or GAW employees or any associate - including Jonah - none of them deserve any sympathy.
My biggest complaint is how you bully people and embarrass them. Having a child with a disability I am sensitive to bullying. Like I have said before, I have seen Whocares good deeds on HT and he helped out a lot of people with direct donations etc. I have been following his coin for a while on a Bitstone slack channel (not Paycoin) and want to invest. I do believe that you have some good points but you presented them poorly. Why not simply state what could be improved upon with the coin and have a normal conversation instead of posting personal attacks and FUD. It is obvious you have knowledge about crypto and could actually do some good.
You are correct, I do not know how you got the emails nor do I care. I was wrong in making those accusations. I am writing this and know there is a good chance it will fall on deaf ears. Whats worse is there is an even higher probability it will get turned into a big joke and bashed - but I wanted you to think about what your agenda was when the GAW thread was started and what it has turned into now. The actions you take have an affect not only on the ones you are persecuting but their families as well.
good night
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I posted it here and a link to the GAW thread only. My intentions were to take the discussion away from the thread (as you asked) but I was not going to PM you. I am not trying to get HT users here or involved in any coin.
My biggest complaint is how you bully people and embarrass them. Having a child with a disability I am sensitive to bullying. Like I have said before, I have seen Whocares good deeds on HT and he helped out a lot of people with direct donations etc. I have been following his coin for a while on a Bitstone slack channel (not Paycoin) and want to invest. I do believe that you have some good points but you presented them poorly. Why not simply state what could be improved upon with the coin and have a normal conversation instead of posting personal attacks and FUD. It is obvious you have knowledge about crypto and could actually do some good.
You are correct, I do not know how you got the emails nor do I care. I was wrong in making those accusations. I am writing this and know there is a good chance it will fall on deaf ears. Whats worse is there is an even higher probability it will get turned into a big joke and bashed - but I wanted you to think about what your agenda was when the GAW thread was started and what it has turned into now. The actions you take have an affect not only on the ones you are persecuting but their families as well.
good night
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I posted it here and a link to the GAW thread only. My intentions were to take the discussion away from the thread (as you asked) but I was not going to PM you. I am not trying to get HT users here or involved in any coin.
I see you brought your cronies along to help defend you. Nice move, posting stolen emails (regardless of leaving his account open) is a crime. I do see how you became a hero to all the guys from the GAW thread - it isn't hard to look good when you are surrounded by shit.
Not a single one of the people that posted on here have any common sense, I would venture to guess that most of them are teenagers and/or living with their parents at the age of 30.
Regardless, you seem to think that you can go around bullying people, if you want to bully someone please let me know who you are and i will give you that opportunity. I am certain that will not happen because like I mentioned earlier, you are afraid of the legal reprocussions if someone knew your true identity.
As for bitcoinnoisseur- what an idiot that guy is- one person says open public domain and another person says "leaked emails were an inside job" - which means if you post it knowing it was a leak (aka stolen) it is a crime. And I will be happy to meet up with you as well so that you can "take out the trash" - just PM your address and I will make it happen -
The only trash that needs to be thrown out around here are you guys and JG -
Not a single one of the people that posted on here have any common sense, I would venture to guess that most of them are teenagers and/or living with their parents at the age of 30.
Regardless, you seem to think that you can go around bullying people, if you want to bully someone please let me know who you are and i will give you that opportunity. I am certain that will not happen because like I mentioned earlier, you are afraid of the legal reprocussions if someone knew your true identity.
As for bitcoinnoisseur- what an idiot that guy is- one person says open public domain and another person says "leaked emails were an inside job" - which means if you post it knowing it was a leak (aka stolen) it is a crime. And I will be happy to meet up with you as well so that you can "take out the trash" - just PM your address and I will make it happen -
The only trash that needs to be thrown out around here are you guys and JG -
In reference to your questions. Please read the statement I made again carefully:
From what I can gather, Paul and Suchmoon have promoted/committed multiple crimes like Hacking Websites, Hacking Emails, Hacking Twitter Accounts and posting the info. I saw references and Jokes about punching babies and posting naked pictures of peoples wives. I have yet to figure out how doing all of that is "good" for the crypto community. Yes they brought down that scumbag Josh Garza but they did it in an illegal way.
It says - promoted/committed and then also says "posting the info"
You have posted multiple emails of JG
And you guys did make jokes about a fetus getting punched-- i am not defending Josh, I am saying that you guys have zero moral compass and that a Fetus getting punched is NOT funny
From what I can gather, Paul and Suchmoon have promoted/committed multiple crimes like Hacking Websites, Hacking Emails, Hacking Twitter Accounts and posting the info. I saw references and Jokes about punching babies and posting naked pictures of peoples wives. I have yet to figure out how doing all of that is "good" for the crypto community. Yes they brought down that scumbag Josh Garza but they did it in an illegal way.
It says - promoted/committed and then also says "posting the info"
You have posted multiple emails of JG
And you guys did make jokes about a fetus getting punched-- i am not defending Josh, I am saying that you guys have zero moral compass and that a Fetus getting punched is NOT funny
So you are not denying the illegal activity?
You are not denying the fact that it was the HT association that brought you to that thread?
I am not attacking you, you guys brought up valid concerns but the way you do it is trolling. I saw the SCAM accusation post before they were deleted. Then a few pages later 1 of you is saying you might invest - that is BS
You are not denying the fact that it was the HT association that brought you to that thread?
I am not attacking you, you guys brought up valid concerns but the way you do it is trolling. I saw the SCAM accusation post before they were deleted. Then a few pages later 1 of you is saying you might invest - that is BS
Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY CPIG BTCLend xpyerr.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)
I am creating this thread to allow open discussion of Suchmoon and Paul Revere to post in reference to comments I made about them on other threads on BCT. I would take it to the famed GAW thread but the way they insult people and make jokes about 'Fetus Punching" etc makes it a hostile environment and not a place I want to post.
I respect them for bringing down Josh Garza but not in the way it was done. They have used illegally obtained information (hacked emails and hacked accounts) to get it done. For that I do not think that they are any different than Josh Garza, they are criminals.
They are definitely masters of taking a blurb out of context and tangling it in a web of deceit. I will be happy to defend my points here but as soon as their "anti GAW Posse" shows up with insults I have no problem going silent.
I also think that they feel the need to terrorize and embarass anyone that was invested in Paycoin. That is not necessary and all it does is give crypto a bad name .
In regards to the crimes, posting stolen emails is illegal. Even if they were obtained by someone with legal access if the owner of the email does not approve it. I can assure you that even JG (as stupid as he is) did not ok ALL of his personal emails to be posted on the GAW thread.
Lastly, If you guys have committed no crimes, why are you hiding your true identity? There are a lot of people posting on the 2000+ pages on the GAW thread and a lot of the people that post frequestly do not hide, but you 2 (the ring leaders) continue to hide. My theory is that it is because you are afraid of reprocussions for the illegal activity you are involved in.
You asked why I am "attacking you", I am not attacking you, I am merely debating with you. I jumped on your post because you are not honest. You have no intentions of investing in BitStone, the only intentions you guys have is to destroy it because the Founder was associated with HT. Well, I had the opportunity to see what a kind and generous guy he is on HT with tons of donations. If you did not attack BitStone because of the HT association, (as you stated on that thread) then why not attack the other 100's of coins released.
I do not wish to get into a long drawn out deal with either of you, but please do not think everyone else is an idiot because they want to invest in something. If you guys were truly trying to help crypto you would simply make a post on ALL the coins as to why you think it is a SCAM ask the questions you have in 1 post and then move on to the next. Continued posting and posting things out of context is not helping - it is trolling.
I respect them for bringing down Josh Garza but not in the way it was done. They have used illegally obtained information (hacked emails and hacked accounts) to get it done. For that I do not think that they are any different than Josh Garza, they are criminals.
They are definitely masters of taking a blurb out of context and tangling it in a web of deceit. I will be happy to defend my points here but as soon as their "anti GAW Posse" shows up with insults I have no problem going silent.
I also think that they feel the need to terrorize and embarass anyone that was invested in Paycoin. That is not necessary and all it does is give crypto a bad name .
In regards to the crimes, posting stolen emails is illegal. Even if they were obtained by someone with legal access if the owner of the email does not approve it. I can assure you that even JG (as stupid as he is) did not ok ALL of his personal emails to be posted on the GAW thread.
Lastly, If you guys have committed no crimes, why are you hiding your true identity? There are a lot of people posting on the 2000+ pages on the GAW thread and a lot of the people that post frequestly do not hide, but you 2 (the ring leaders) continue to hide. My theory is that it is because you are afraid of reprocussions for the illegal activity you are involved in.
You asked why I am "attacking you", I am not attacking you, I am merely debating with you. I jumped on your post because you are not honest. You have no intentions of investing in BitStone, the only intentions you guys have is to destroy it because the Founder was associated with HT. Well, I had the opportunity to see what a kind and generous guy he is on HT with tons of donations. If you did not attack BitStone because of the HT association, (as you stated on that thread) then why not attack the other 100's of coins released.
I do not wish to get into a long drawn out deal with either of you, but please do not think everyone else is an idiot because they want to invest in something. If you guys were truly trying to help crypto you would simply make a post on ALL the coins as to why you think it is a SCAM ask the questions you have in 1 post and then move on to the next. Continued posting and posting things out of context is not helping - it is trolling.
Re: [BITZ] 10% Proof-of-Stake ** A Currency for your Digital Future **
This is not about any one coin, you do it to a lot of coins. And I read your thread about BitStone- I do believe that was corrected and you stated you would stop the FUD. From what I can see, you started with additional FUD after that- you lied. What about your criticism of Circuits- you accuse people of getting paid, state same developers, and ask for others to identify themselves. More of the same on Twelve and the list goes on. I do recall you asking Private Investors to Show their identity, but you will not. I think you accomplished something with BitStone but you continue attacking it and Circuits. Who would invest in a coin where the Dev is more worried about others coins and not his own.
Re: [BITZ] 10% Proof-of-Stake ** A Currency for your Digital Future **
I have been reading your post on multiple coin threads, including this one. One thing is apparent, you have a chip on your shoulder and like bashing others coins. I find it appalling that you post crap about peoples hard work, you spread FUD and insult people on their threads. I got tired after reading it on 4 different coin threads. Why is your demeanor different on your coins thread? A little advice from another guy with a little time in crypto- take care of your business and stop taking care of others. I noticed it took you a few months to write a whitepaper AFTER the coin was released, well maybe you could have done it sooner if you weren't trying to be the JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER of everyone else. It might help the value of Bitz and it could be worth more than 200 sats with low to no trading volume.
Just my 2 cents
Just my 2 cents
Re: ★★★ HedgeCoin | KGW+DGW | MaruCoin tribute | X13 | Diff based rewards ★★★
What's with all the diff files in the windows zip ?
Pretty much every other coin I've played with has a single executable that starts / runs the wallet or an executable like BTC that installs a wallet that can then be run.
Pretty much every other coin I've played with has a single executable that starts / runs the wallet or an executable like BTC that installs a wallet that can then be run.
The windows wallet should run without those extra dll files.
It might give an error at first launch, but it should run.
Those added dll files are to ensure that every windows user can run the wallet, even on older platforms prior to Windows 7.
Think about virtual machines etc.
Me neither, "should" is actually a shaming word ---
but I do like the coin and do not think he was shaming anyone ---- hehe
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
this market is so flat, i've hardly opened the chart at all the past few weeks.... where's the volatility?
We're keeping it stable for a while so people stop saying that Bitcoin cannot be stable (some people complained about volatility in the past, now it's traders complaining)
Enough stability. This is painful. I'll take a doom drop to $100 if it will bring some life back to the market.
You know what to do. Just turn on your bot.
Believe me, I would be much happier about things if I knew how to code a good bot.
Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
this market is so flat, i've hardly opened the chart at all the past few weeks.... where's the volatility?
We're keeping it stable for a while so people stop saying that Bitcoin cannot be stable (some people complained about volatility in the past, now it's traders complaining)
Enough stability. This is painful. I'll take a doom drop to $100 if it will bring some life back to the market.
Pink Floyd - Dogs
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