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Re: [ANN] [IoP] Internet of People - Decentralise the Web 2.0 - a Community Project
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XeLaZoP
on 06/08/2018, 09:46:16 UTC
Good news, it seems that finally the discord debate has opened on the debate of the politics and form of internal management. Come on IoP, the community is waking up!

Take it here, into the great wide open, please.
Discord is anything but public, its a nice censoring and crowd manipulation machine, thats why you're so keen on luring everybody in.
But you can't score many users because its obviously all kept at bullshit levels.
All you do is delegating opinion, muting and censoring critical voices, or hiding information from the general public.
It makes it easy for you to group up behind the back of your audience and keep your bullshit narrative going.

I think you're right in saying that Discord as a platform is not a perfect platform, but I do not think that this forum is open either. IoP, as it is a cryptography of the community, I think it is logical to think that the debates about the community itself (internal debates) remain in the community (being of free access, in this way a small screening can be done on who participates. it does it for an interest in the community and not for a purely personal interest), public forums have another use. The positive thing about living in this crypto era is that spaces, platforms and / or dapps are being designed that are more suitable to host a community and in a relatively short time, Discord can be dispensed with. For the moment you have to settle for what is there, little by little. Nor have I observed anything of censorship, although I do not like too much the discord app, I think that on the one hand it can become somewhat confusing in the debates because you do not know very well who you are answering or to what point or argument you are referring, for another part, being organized by discussion topics, I prefer it to this forum for internal debates. I think this space has another utility, such as making official announcements, asking questions when you have just met a cryptocurrency, doing some criticism in a public way ...
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Re: [ANN] [IoP] Internet of People - Decentralise the Web 2.0 - a Community Project
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XeLaZoP
on 04/08/2018, 22:45:56 UTC
Good news, it seems that finally the discord debate has opened on the debate of the politics and form of internal management. Come on IoP, the community is waking up!
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Re: [ANN] [IoP] Internet of People - Decentralise the Web 2.0 - a Community Project
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XeLaZoP
on 03/08/2018, 12:16:12 UTC
Being in Discordia does not improve transparency in the information ... recently it was possible to see how one of the chapter leaders was asked to remove the video of "What is IoP?" and when he asked for the reasons, that part of the video was no longer correct, no one in Discord knew how to respond.

Good spot! Looking back that discussion in discord fell kind of flat now that I look at it. So to explain:

IoP divisions had produced that "What is IOP" video and the Ukrainian chapter was translating it. However we later found that some things were either technically incorrect or could give the false impression. So for instance it was suggested that you can "retract your data" you can not take back your data, you can only deny the permission to continue to use the data.  But data sent once are obvioulsy sent data, technically there is no possibility to undo this again.
Furthermore, the video promoted an internet world without middlemen, but this is also not entirely true there will be some (sort of) middlemen sometimes. For instance dApp developer who, for example, develops a decentralized UBER, must also earn money. he does not do that out of charity. But with the Mercury protocol we address this core principal on who controls the permissions. Fundamentally changing it from what we know of traditional services and apps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdUggytSg3c

To some it might seem like a small thing, but this principal lies at the core of many of the issues we're facing with current internet usages.
So we made that new video, which explains more correctly, what we do. And obviously we don't want to waste the time of our community members so it was suggested to remove the old one and work on the new one instead. The fact that this process isn't happening in backrooms and is just a normal interaction between community members speaks to our benefit in terms of transparency. Not saying that we're optimal currently, but we're trying to be as open an as transparent as possible.

I hope this helps, and should you have any further questions, feel free to reach out, if you're in our discord. You know I'm pretty much online most of the time anyway. Simply ask and I'll do my best to answer.
I am however also human, I am flawed and I can't spot everything everywhere, but feel free to help out where you can or  at least keep me on my toes This is the point of a community, to help each other. At least that's how I look at it.


Thank you for your quick response, first of all I would like to clarify that I am not questioning the passion of the members of this community, especially the most active ones like you, nor the cooperation of them. I am aware of how they help each other to try to get the community to come forward and the effort that is made so that the new members feel integrated.

In any case I make a criticism, I hope it is seen as a constructive criticism, about the current internal politics, especially in the internal communication of the same, between those who make important decisions and / or the developers and the members of the community (cooperators and investors).

An example is the transparency reports, which look like monthly press releases of a company and where information is exclusively informed about the project's novelties and the upcoming efforts or objectives, but it is not reported who makes these decisions, based on what criteria , who are the employees of IoP Venture (positions, salaries, etc.) that is the one that is officially releasing the technology, who is taking the decisions about the possible lines of action, how this action is being coordinated, who decided the new consensus of the chapters ...

I think that all this is important to be able to say that this is a community project, at least it is my opinion about what transparency means. I hope they do not take me for a hater, on the contrary, I still have hope and I am still excited about the technology that IoP and its partner Libertaria are developing.

At least these changes I would consider necessary to increase confidence in the project and even open a chapter to contribute to it, much more necessary than increasing the internal competition of the chapters or increase profits, since I see more important human development what is being done with the development of decentralized technology and the creation of decentralized alternative economies, luck with the project.
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Re: [ANN] [IoP] Internet of People - Decentralise the Web 2.0 - a Community Project
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XeLaZoP
on 03/08/2018, 10:07:03 UTC
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Next step for IoP is to hit below 8k sats on Bittrex, should be easy to achieve with such a great team.

You're right IOP is one of the coins that lost more '.... I bought IOP in September and doing a little' trading I managed not to lose my capital .. Even I did not expect a collapse so 'big IOP. The IOP project, however, seems excellent to me, incredibly underestimated ... whoever buys IOP will now earn a lot of money ...... I am sure that within two years the IOP price will be very big

What makes you so sure about that? Two years is an eternal time for a crypto project. If they were where they wanted to be now I would agree, but they missed on each and every item on their roadmap. The concept is great, but the realisation lags and the people deciding and doing public relations are a bunch of idiots. They pissed off everybody, with their childish delusional attitude.

And well, they hit the below 8k sats on Bittrex target already in no time, thats what they're best at currently, crushing the market value, pretending its not their fault and they can't do anything about it.

The dumping by the chapters will go on, because they need the funds to operate. Unless somebody big comes up as a saviour, but I don't see that, because they aren't any kind of a proper business entity to do deals with. As long as this idiocy goes on, there won't be a rebound.


Unfortunately, I have to agree. I think there is a big problem of inconsistency.

Although it is announced as a crypto of the community, the community the only power it has is to vote for the most competitive chapters, nothing more. The consensus is decided from above, I'm not sure who, I guess by IoP Ventures, how the rest of the decisions are made and the community does not have information about who makes those decisions, nor with what criteria.

Being in Discordia does not improve transparency in the information ... recently it was possible to see how one of the chapter leaders was asked to remove the video of "What is IoP?" and when he asked for the reasons, that part of the video was no longer correct, no one in Discord knew how to respond.

As long as the community does not face this serious problem of inconsistency, I find it difficult to increase confidence in this project, especially if we consider the existence of a whale determined to sink the price further. We must remember that trust is one of the basic characteristics of any crypto project.

At least this is my opinion, probably influenced by the frustration of thinking about what could have been and seeing what is being ... (Expectation vs. Reality) and not just talking about the price, since I understand that it is possible that the technological sector is approaching a correction or crash, there are indications to be able to think about this.